John Threle
Events
Date of Birth: unknown.
Place of Birth: unknown.
Date of Death: probably after 1493.
Place of Death: unknown.
Relationships
Father: John Threle.
Mother: Joan Bartelot.
These parents are given by Elwes (p. 262).
Kin: Margery Chauncy.
According to the 1472 case below in the Evidence section, John Threle was “next kinsman” to Margery Austyn on the mother’s side. Margery’s mother Joan was a daughter of John Benfeld.
Spouse: unknown.
See the Commentary section.
(probable) Children:
(Complete source citations for facts about the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project.)
Edmund Threle (died 6 January 1526/7) married Margaret Cooke.
John Threle.
William Threle of Buckholt in Bexhill, Sussex (buried 22 December 1562 in Bexhill) married (1) Ann Kendell; married (2) Anne Fines.
Evidence
from Surrey Fines:
19 Edward IV [1479]
15. Edmund Dantre, John Threle esquire, Henry Samford gentilman, John Westbroke, gentilman & Arnald Champyon v. John att Hyll & his wife Alice in Dunsfold & Hascombe.
from the National Archives Catalogue:
C 1/47/25
[1472/3-5]
Plaintiff: Margery Austyn, widow, daughter and heir of John Chauncy the younger, esq., and Joan his wife
Defendants: John Threle of Loksewode, gent., next kinsman to the said Margery on the mother’s side.
Subject: Manor of Twynam. Action brought by Threle in the King’s Bench on a Statute Staple, in which Margery bound herself to be at the ruling of the said Threle. Sussex.
WISTON/3025, 3026
[1474 October 8]
Deed of witness (with contemporary copy), by John Burdevyle, John Payn, John Founteyn, James Homewode, John Okyngden (son of Watkyn Okyngden), James Homewode, jnr., James Costedell, William at Hygh, John Harpour, John Bocher, John Costedell, Robert Stokyll and John Waryn that William Covert 'is vexed and disturbed of his title and possession of his manor of Twineham Benfield by reason of a seisin made by Richard Alfray to John Threle and others'
Recites the history of the property at great length from the time of John Benfeld; among other information, it is recited that Margery, dau. of John Chaucy, was first married to William Thwaytes, but they were divorced and Margery then married Thomas Austen 'servant to the Lord of St. John's.'
C 241/256/19
[1475 July 1]
Debtor: Margery Austyns, widow [of Middx.]
Creditor: John Threle, esquire [of Middx.]
Amount: £100
Before whom: Ralph Verney, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
When taken: 08/12/1473
First term: 02/02/1474
Last term: 02/02/1474
Writ to: Sheriff of Middx
Sent by: Ralph Verney, Mayor of the Staple of Westminster.
Endorsement: Midd' coram d'no Rege in Canc' sua in Octab' S'ti Mich'is p'x futur'. m'o quod undecimo die Maii anno regni Regis Edwardi quarti sextodecimo infrascript' Joh'es Thrale venit in Cancellar' Regis apud Westm' t' recognovit se p' infrascr' Marg'iam de centu' libris infrascript' fore contentatu' t' plenarie satisf't'm.
Calendar of the Patent Rolls
In 1488, John Threle was among those commissioned to muster archers, and in 1490 he was among those commissioned to place warning beacons. He does not appear in the Patent Rolls after this.
C 1/227/13
[1493-1500
Plaintiffs: John Twaytes, son and heir of Margery Williams, late the wife of William Twaytes.
Defendants: John Threle, gentleman.
Subject: Detention of deeds relating to six messuages and land in Waldron Waucy and Waldrenrown.
Sussex.
3 documents
C 1/138/34
[1486-1493 or 1504-1515]
Plaintiffs: Thomas Garth, esquire, and Margery, his wife, late the wife of John Woode, knight, treasurer of England.
Defendants: John, son of John Threle, feoffee to uses.
Subject: Annuity in the manor of Pulborough late of the said Sir John.
Sussex.
from the Victoria History of Sussex (7:sub Twineham):
[Twineham Benfield}
A John Benfeld is mentioned in 1378, and (probably another) John in 1412 and 1434–5. He was the last of the male line and the manor passed to his daughter Joan the wife of John Chauncy, and subsequently to their daughter Margaret, who married Thomas Austyn and in 1471 released her estates in Twineham to Sir Walter Pawnefold.
Commentary
There is evidence that John had a connection to Surrey. First there is this fine:
19 Edward IV [1479]
15. Edmund Dantre, John Threle esquire, Henry Samford gentilman, John Westbroke, gentilman & Arnald Champyon v. John att Hyll & his wife Alice in Dunsfold & Hascombe.
Then, there is a 1551 court case involving John’s grandson Thomas:
Thomas Hull vs Thomas Threle, 1551, 1552 Chancery: re manor of Compton, Tongham, Runfold
Then the 1560 will of John’s grandson William Threle of Shackleford, Surrey (Thomas's brother), mentions his “friend and kinsman master Richard Bydon esquire”, his “cousin Mistress Bydon” and his “cousin Margaret Parker”. Margaret Parker was a daughter of Richard Bydon, who lived in Shackleford, Surrey. William Threle left bequests to the poor of Godalming, Puttenham, and Compton.
William’s brother Thomas Threle of Loxwood, presumably the Thomas involved in the 1551 lawsuit, made his “cousin Bydnn” the overseer of his will.
Richard Bydon, in a 1559 letter mentions his cousin Hull and in a 1564 letter mentions his cousin the late John Hull.
Putting all this together, one suspects that John Threle had a connection to the Hulls of Hambleton.
References
Elwes, Dudley George Cary (assisted by Charles J. Robinson) A History of the Castles, Mansions, and Manors of Western Sussex. (1876).
'Parishes: Twineham', in A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 7, the Rape of Lewes, ed. L F Salzman (London, 1940), pp. 186-191.
Pedis Finium, or Fines relating to the County of Surrey (Frank B. Lewis, ed.) (Surrey Archaeological Society, 1894).