Elias de Say

Events

Date of Birth: unknown.

Place of Birth: unknown.

Date of Death: by 1160.

Place of Death: unknown.

The date is given by Keats-Rohan (2002, p. 679).

Relationships

Father: Robert Picot de Say.

This relationship is given by Keats-Rohan (2002, p. 679), citing the Shrewsbury Cartulary, which gives Elias as Henry’s brother and therefore Robert’s son. Suppe (p. 131) gives Henry as the father, probably basing this on Sanders (p. 112), who states that Elias succeeded Henry, but does not give their relationship.

(presumed) Mother: Adeloia.

Keats-Rohan (1999, p. 325) gives Adeloia as Roberts's wife. She was previously the wife of William de Coimes).

Spouse: unknown.

Children:

(Complete source citations for facts about the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project. Most information below comes from Cawley.)

Brian de Say

Isabel de Say married (1) William FitzAlan; married (2) Geoffrey de Vere; married (3) William Boterell.

References

Cawley, Charles. “ISABEL de Say” in Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families.

Cokayne, George Edward, and Vicary Gibbs; et al. The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant [2nd ed.]. (London: St. Catherine Press, 1910-59).

Keats-Rohan, Katharine S. B. Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1106 - 1166. (Woodbridge: 2002).

Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. Domesday People (1999).

Sanders, Ivor John. English Baronies (Oxford: 1960).

Suppe, Frederick C. “Castle Guard and the Castlery of Clun” in The Haskins Journal: Studies in Medieval History Volume 1 (1989) pp. 123 - 134.