John (or Thomas) Salter

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Date of Birth: unknown.

Place of Birth: unknown.

Date of Death: unknown.

Place of Death: unknown.

Relationships

The argument that John and Isabella are the grandparents rather than the parents of John, Richard, Roger, and Jane below is laid out in the Commentary on Richard’s page.

Spouse: Rosa (or Anne) Cludd.

See the Commentary section on her son Richard Salter’s page.

Children:

(Complete source citations for facts about the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project. Julian may have been a daughter of John and Isabella Charlton.)

John Salter (died 1532) married Elizabeth Otteley. John was sheriff of Shropshire in 1521, and Justiciar of North Wales in the late 1520s and early 1530s.

Richard Salter (died about 1551) married Ann Pigott.

Roger Salter (died after 1543). Roger was a clerk.

Jane Salter married John Leighton of Cotes.

Julian Salter married Richard de Macclesfield of Newport.

Commentary

“John” or “Thomas”?:

The discussion below assumes that the John Salter who was buried in 1492 is not the John Salter of this page. This may be incorrect. See Richard Salter’s page and below for more discussion.

Jones (p. 123), citing “the Heralds’ Visitation of Shropshire, in 1623, and Harleian MSS., 1396,” gives what I think is probably the correct construction. He gives the John of this page an elder brother, Thomas, and names his father John. However, he makes the John who is brother of Thomas the John who was buried in 1492.

The pedigree in Bright, probably based on information collected in a visitation of Suffolk, names the person of this page Thomas, makes his wife “Anne, dau. of Clerde”, and his father John Salter of Rokenden in Shropshire, Gent.”

The pedigree in the Harleian Society’s edition of the 1623 Visitation of Shropshire, following Harl. 1396, makes the person of this page “Johan’es Salter de Newport in com. Salop 2 filius”. This John is married to “Rosa filia Willimi Cludd” and the son of “Johanes Salter” and “Mariana”. The editor notes that an alternate copy of the Visitation (Harl. 1396 is also a copy of the chaotic original records), a manuscript then in the Shrewsbury Public Library, gives the name of the person of this page as Thomas rather than John.

The Leighton pedigree in the 1623 Shropshire visitation gives Jane Salter as “Jana fil. Joh’is Salter de Workemardin in com. Salop.”

There are records of a John Salter throughout the period, but there are few or none which are unambiguously referring to the John Salter of this page rather than his father or son.

The records of a Thomas Salter are generally too early to be referring to the person of this page.

Clearly this situation leaves some doubt as to whether the John (or Thomas) of this page existed, or should be identified with his father. If he existed, he probably died in the lifetime of his father, or very shortly after. I give reasons on the father’s and the son (Richard)’s pages why I think a separate person existed here, but I am not certain.

Very approximately, I estimate the dates of the family thus:

1. Thomas Salter: born about 1400, died about 1470.

2. TS’s son John Salter: born about 1420, died 1492.

3. JS’s sons: Richard Salter (Doctor of Decrees) born early 1440s, died 1519; John/Thomas Salter born between 1440 and 1460, probably died in his father’s lifetime.

4. J/TS’s sons: John Salter born about 1480, married about 1505, died 1532; Richard Salter born about 1490, married early 1520s, died 1551.

I am not sure about Roger Salter, the Warden of St Mary’s. He was probably born in the late 1460s. If he was in Generation 4 above, then he was the eldest son. If he was in Generation 3, he was probably the youngest son and there was another Roger Salter in Generation 4, who was also a clerk. This is shown in these two records, where Roger is listed after the Richard who was Doctor of Decrees, but before the younger John and Richard:

Jones p. 121

1496 Gift of land in Newport, Aston Magna, Aston Parva to Richard Salter, Doctor of Decrees, Roger Salter, Warden of the Collegiate Church of Newport, John Salter, Richard Salter

Jones p. 121

1496 Indenture: concerning land in Newport, Much Aston, Little Aston, whereof the 2nd part had been seized

2nd part: Mr Richard Salter, Clerk and Canon of the Cathedral Church of Lichfield, Roger Salter, Clerk and Warden of the College of Newport, John Salter, Richard Salter

References

Bright, Jonathan Brown. The Brights of Suffolk, England. (1858).

Calendar of Wills and Administrations, Diocese of Lichfield Episcopal Court.

Herbert, Florentia C. “The History of Wrockwardine” in Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History Society 4th series v. 8, pt. 2 (1922).

A History of the County of Shropshire: Volume 2. (Victoria County History, 1973).

A History of Shropshire Volume 3 (Victoria County History, 1979).

A History of the County of Shropshire: Volume 11. (Victoria County History, 1985).

Jones, Edward. “Historical Records of Newport, Co. Salop” in Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History Society Vol. IX., 1886. Pages 117-170.

Peel, Alice Maude. “Charltons of Apley Castle, Shropshire” in Transactions of the Shropshire Archeological Society v. 53, pt. 2.

The Visitations of the County of Nottingham in the Years 1569 and 1614, with many descents of the same county (Harleian Society, 1871).

The Visitation of Shropshire, 1623. Paul Grazebrook and John Paul Rylands, eds. (London, 1889).

Will of John Salter. Proved 1532 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.