David Lloyd (I)

Events

Date of Birth: unknown.

Place of Birth: unknown.

Date of Death: by 1672.

Place of Death: unknown.

The date is given by Morris. The 1672 will of Edward Morgans makes clear that David Lloyd had died before it was made.

Relationships

Father: unknown.

Mother: unknown.

Spouse: Margaret Morgan.

This relationship is given by Morris, who cites a 1691 deed.

Children:

(Complete source citations for facts about the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project.)

David Lloyd married Bridget.

Evidence

At least some of the records below seem to refer to the David Lloyd of this page or perhaps his son.

Here are the Cardigan David Lloyds in Alumni Oxonienses:

David Lloyd of co. Cardigan, gent. Jesus Coll., matric. 3 May, 1616, aged 22.

David Lloyd of co. Cardigan, pleb. Jesus Coll., matric. 14 March, 1616-7, aged 24; perhaps B.A. 5 Feb., 1620-1, M.A. 1 July, 1624; one of these names beneficed in co. Cardigan. See Foster's Index Eccl. [15]

David Lloyd s. Watkin, of Llanbadarn-Vaur, co. Cardigan, pleb. pp. Oriel Coll., matric. 22 Nov., 1639, aged 18; B.A. 14 Dec., 1641.

Cwrtmawr Deeds 484 (National Library of Wales)

8 June 1642.

Settlement (post nuptial) on the marriage of Morgan lloyd and Elizabeth, one of the dau’s of Morgan Richard, late of Cwm Newidion, deceased.

1. Morgan lloyd of Allt y Baili, p. Llanbadarn vawr, co. Card., gent.

2. David lloyd of Cwm Newidion, p. llanvichangell y Croythin, and Rees Morgan of Rhos y Tythin, p. llanvichangell y Croythin, both of co. Card., gent's.

Settlement (post nuptial) on the marriage of Morgan lloyd and Elizabeth, one of the dau's of Morgan Richard, late of Cwm Newidion, dec., referring to m's called Tythin Allt y Baili, Tythin y Wayn wen and Tythin keyro ycha, p. Llanbadarn vawr, co. Card., and a burgage and garden in the town of Aberystwith.

Also, Cwrtmawr Deeds 485 on the same settlement

There are a number of deeds dealing with the Morgan Lloyd above. For example:

Cwrtmawr Deeds 30

Grant

11 October 1673

1. Morgan lloyd of Alt y Baily, co. Card., gent.

2. David lloyd, his son and heir.

Grant of a m. called Tythin Alt y Baily in Llanbadarne y Croythyn, p. Llanbadarne vaur, co. Card., and all other his m's, etc., p. Llanbadarne vaur, co. Card.

Cwrtmawr Deeds 619

Bond for the observance of covenants of even date

12 October 1673

1. Morgan lloyd and David lloyd of Alt y Baily, co. Card., gent's.

2. Thomas Powell, esq.

Bond for the observance of covenants in a deed of even date.

Cwrtmawr Deeds 1,499

Bond for the observance of covenants of even date

Feb 1677/8

1. Morgan lloyd of Allt y Bayly, co. Card., gent., and David lloyd, his son and heir apparent.

2. Thomas Powell of llechwedd dyrys, co. Card., esq.

Bond for the observance of covenants in a deed of even date.

Cwrtmawr Deeds 258

General Release

24 April 1678

1. David lloyd late of Eirglawdd, co. Card., gent.

2. Morgan lloyd of Allt y Bayly, co. Card., gent.

General Release.

David Lloyd Cler. is a witness to the 1649 will of Morgan Herbert of Havedychdryd, Cardiganshire. In the will Morgan discusses a proposed marriage between his son Edward Herbert and Jane, a daughter of Captain Evan Lloyd of Nogaidd ycha, Montgomeryshire, esq. It is not clear in the will that there is a relationship. The same people turn up in this deed:

1652 Deed bargain and sale of property:

1. Jenkin Lloide of Vaerdref, co. Card., gent., Edward Evans of Clochvaen, co. Mont., gent., Rees Evans, late of Clochvaen, now of p. Caron, co. Card., gent., and Edward Herbert of Dol y Gors, co. Card., gent., one of the sons of Morgan Herbert, late of Havodychdryd, co. Card., dec.

2. John Vaughan of Trouscoed, esq., Richard Herbert of Llwyn yerwerth, gent., Evan Lloide of Vaerdref, gent., and Erasmus Lloide of ystrad deilo, gent., all of co. Card.

3. Rees David of p. llanvichangell y Croyddyn, co. Card., gent.

Bargain And Sale of property in p. Caron, co. Card.

In his 1658 PCC will of Jenkin Evan of Pwell yr Ebol, Manledd, Llanidloes, makes this bequest:

Item I doe give unto David LLoyd of Spyttu ystwith in the Com’ Cardigan gent the som[m]e of Twenty shillings to be paid by my said brother in law, Evan Morris and my said wiefe Jane out of my personal estate imediatly after my decease.

In his 1660 PCC will of Edward Vaughan of Cwmnewidion, gent., makes this bequest:

Item I doe bequeath unto unto David Lloyd of Sputy Ystwyth Clerke in Recompense of his care of mee in during my sickness my bay Cropp Mare Item my Will is that my Executor shall give him the said David Lloyd sum further Considerations for his Attendance on mee during my sickness as hee shall Judge reasonable

He also mentions his sister, Margaret Lloyd, although it is not clear that she is related to David.

It is recorded by Edmund Jones (1702 - 1793) in his Relation of Apparitions in the Principality of Wales that David Lloyd the clerk was later remembered as a practitioner of the dark arts:

That which I have to relate is concerning Sir David Llwyd, who lived near Yspythi-Ystwyth in that County, who was a Curate, likely of that Church, and a physician; but being known to deal in the Magic-art was turned out of his Curacy, and oblig’d to live by practising physick. His being call’d Sir David, was after the manner of other Curates in Wales a long time after the reformation, but ceased now, was a relict of Popery, which should have ceased just at the beginning of the reformation.

[longish digression on the evils of popery omitted]

Of this Sir David, I have heard several things; but chiefly depend upon what was related to me by the Rev. Mr. Thomas Lewis, the Curate of Landdw and Tolachdy, a man of undoubted piety and veracity, and an excellent preacher of the gospel; and not sufficiently esteemed by his people; which not unlikely will bring a judgement upon them in time to come.

There was in those parts a Tailor, a profane man, and a great drunkard, who having been in a Fair in those parts, and coming home drunk, met as he thought, a certain man on horse-back, who asked him, was he a Tailor, and he said he was; the man, on horse-back, asked him would he make cloaths for him? and he said he would, and received a piece of cloath with a charge to be sure to be at home at such a day, and such an hour, to take his measure; and the Tailor said he would. But though he was drunk, he observed that the man’s feet who spoke with him were not like a man’s, but like a horse’s feet; and some other circumstances which made him concern’d; and the more he consider’d it, his fear increased, that it was not a man; but something belonging to the Devil had appeared to him; and being in great fear about the matter, went to Sir David to ask his opinion about it, from whom he received the following advice; to delay the measuring him as much as possible, and not to stand before but behind him; and bid him be sure to be at home the time appointed, and that he, Sir David, would come to him that time. The supposed man came, and the Tailor, in great fear, went about to measure him, fearing he was something not good; and according to the advice given him, delay’d measuring him, pretending that he wanted this and that thing; and was as dilatory as he could, in pain of mind and great fear. At last the supposed man said to him, thou art very long about it, and why standest thou behind my back? why dost thou not come before me? The man now in greater fear, thought every minute a long time, expecting Sir David to come according to his promise; accordingly he came, and having looked on the strange man who was come to be measured, said to him, What is your business here? Go away, and he went away. This the Tailor told to all who enquired about it, and it passed about thro’ the Country.

Another time being gone on a visit towards the town Rhaiadr Gwy in Radnorshire, and being gone from one house there to another, but having forgotten his Magic book in the first house, sent his boy or apprentice to fetch it, charging him not to open the book, and the evil Spirit immediately called for work; the boy, tho’ surprized and in some perplexity, said, Tafl gerrig o’r Avon, i.e. Throw stones out of the river, he did so, and after a while having thrown up many stones out of the river Wye, or Elgy, which ran that way, he again, after the manner of confined Spirits, asking for something to do; the boy had his senses about him to bid him throw the stones back into the river, and it did so. Sir David seeing the boy long in coming, doubted how it was; came back and chide him for opening the book, and commanded the familiar Spirit back into his book. Another time being gone to Lanidlos town in Montgomeryshire, twelve miles from home, and as he was going home very late in the evening seeing a boy there of his neighbourhood, offered him to ride behind him if he was for going home, which the boy accepted, and they came home in about two hours time. The boy had lost one of his garters in the journey, but seeing something hanging in the Ash-tree near the Church; climb’d up to see what it was, and it was the garter which he had lost; which shews that they rode high in the air.

It was thought that he learnt the Magic-art privately in Oxford in the profane time of Charles the Second, when many vices greatly prevailed. It was this man’s great wickedness to make use of a familiar Spirit, one of the enemies of God and man; a thing forbidden in holy writ. Lev. xix. 31. Seeking counsel of a woman who had a familiar Spirit, was one of the causes of Saul’s destruction, 1 Chron x. 11.

The Bishop did well, whoever he was, in turning him out of the sacred office, tho’ he was no ill temper’d man; for how unfit was such a man to read the sacred Scripture, especially those chapters where seeking to familiar Spirits is forbidden, and condemn’d? How unfit to read the good prayers of the Church? and to administer the holy ordinances of God? With what propriety and conscience could he ask the Sponsers in baptism to undertake for the child to renounce the world, the flesh, and the Devil, who himself was in covenant with hell, and familiar with one of the Spirits of darkness? And how far from renouncing the Devil, and all his works, as he had engaged to do? and had told the bishop that he was moved by the Holy Ghost to seek ordination to the holy Office, to act against the Kingdom of darkness.

Mr. Lewis who gave me the relation, knew her who had been his maid-servant, and the house where she lived.

References

Morris, Ronald E. “Lloyd of Cefnbarrach, Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire” in Cronicl Powys. No. 19 (1988), pp. 12-15.

Jones, Edmund. A Relation of Apparitions of Spirits in the Principality of Wales. (1780)

Will of Edward Morgans of Trefeglwys. Proved 1676. Diocese of Bangor. Digital copy at the National Library of Wales: http://hdl.handle.net/10107/461414

Will of Edward Vaughan of Cwmnewidion, gent. Proved 1660 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.

Will of Jenkin Evan of Pwell yr Ebol, Manledd, Llanidloes. Proved 1658 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.

Will of Morgan Herbert of Havedychdryd, Cardiganshire. Proved 1649 in the Diocese of St David.