unknown Halliday

Events


Date of Birth: unknown.

Place of Birth: unknown.


Date of Death: before 13 September 1578.

Place of Death: unknown.

The date is when Halliday’s husband remarried.


Relationships


(probable) Father: Thomas Halliday.

Mother: unknown.

See the Evidence and Commentary sections below.


Spouse: John Bayly.

This relationship is given by the 1682-3 Visitation of Gloucestershire (p. 15).


Children:

(Complete source citations for facts about the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project.)


[Joan?] Bayly (baptized 11 June 1561 in Whitminster)


Elizabeth Bayly (baptized 20 December 1562 in Whitminster)


Mary Bayly (baptized 13 May 1564 in Whitminster)


William Bayly (baptized 7 June 1566 in Whitminster - died 1626) married Jane Gore.


Richard Bayly (baptized 3 February 1568/9 in Whitminster - buried 7 September 1595 in Whitminster) married Joan. In his will Richard mentions his uncle, Richard Bird.


John Bayly (baptized 3 February 1568/9 in Whitminster)


Dorothy Bayly (baptized 13 April 1572 in Whitminster) married Gyles Driver 13 November 1592 in Whitminster.


Ansell Bayly (baptized 19 July 1573 in Whitminster) married (1) Joyce; married (2) Dorothy.


Commentary


In the 1682-3 Visitation of Gloucestershire (p. 15), the wife of John Baylie is stated to be a daughter of …Holliday and a relation to Alderman Holliday of London. The informant appears to be John’s grandson William Bayly. There is some supporting evidence. Richard Byrde, whom Richard Bayly (bap. 1568/9) named in his will as his uncle, mentioned a debt to Alderman Holliday of London in his will. Lawrence Holidaye of Gloucester named Richard Byrde as a friend in his 1587 will.


There are conflicting accounts of Alderman William Holliday’s ancestry in secondary sources.


Burke (p. 129) gives this ancestry:


  1. Henry Halliday of Minchinhampton married a daughter of Payne of Payne’s Court. They had a son


  1. Henry Halliday, their successor, who had a son


  1. Thomas Halliday, esq. of Kings Stanley, who had a son


  1. Lawrence Halliday, sometime mayor of Gloucester, who married Jane Pury. They had


  1. William, the alderman, as well as Samuel, John, and Margaret, wife of Mr. Jasper Clutterbooke.


Some of this is corroborated by primary sources. The 1513 will of Margery Halliday of Minchampton names her son Henry (B) and Henry’s son Thomas (C). The 1587 will of Lawrence Halliday (D) (who was indeed the mayor of Gloucester) names William (E) as well as John. It names a son Richard, not mentioned by Burke. It does not name Samuel or Margaret, but they are placed in this family in the 1588 will of Richard Pate, the uncle of Lawrence’s wife. (The wording of Lawrence’s will implies some children are not named there.) Burke gets the name of Lawrence’s wife wrong (It was Ann: Jane was Ann’s mother.) Jasper Clutterbook’s IPM recites a 1614 deed of enfeoffment in consideration of his marriage to Margaret which ties him to this family and to William Holliday of London, merchant. William (E) the alderman’s will names his brothers Samuel and John and his sister Margaret, the wife of Jasper Clutterbook. Altogether, the relationship between William the alderman and Lawrence seems solid. The main gap that I can see is that I have not found any primary sources which make Lawrence Halliday the son of Thomas.


Burke gives this ancestry from Sir Leonard Halliday, mayor of London in 1605, (starting from the common ancestor with William the Alderman):


  1. Henry Halliday of Minchinhampton married a daughter of Payne of Payne’s Court. They had a son


  1. Edward Halliday of Rodborough. He had


  1. William Halliday of Rodborough, four other sons, and one daughter, Rose, the wife of a Payne of Payne’s Court. William had


  1. Sir Leonard Halliday.


Again, some of this is corroborated in primary sources. The 1513 will of Margery Halliday names her son Edward (B). Edward (B) left a 1519 will which names William, Rose the wife of John Payne, three other sons and five other daughters. However, there the trail runs cold. There is a 1583 will of a William Halliday of Rodborough, but this is clearly not (C), and probably actually a brother of Lawrence. Richard Byrde shows up in this will as a witness.


John James Baddeley (p. 59) makes William the alderman the nephew of Sir Leonard Holliday the mayor, which is inconsistent with Burke. I think Burke is right that Lawrence was William the alderman’s father, so if Baddeley is right about Sir Leonard being William’s uncle, then Sir Leonard must have been a brother of Lawrence instead of what Burke gave.


One small piece of evidence favouring Burke here is that the woman of this page (the wife of John Baylie) was said by her grandson to have been a relation of Alderman Halliday rather than of Sir Leonard Halliday the mayor. Chronology and other evidence suggests that she was probably Lawrence’s sister. If this is so, then it is a little odd that she was referred to in the visitation as the relation (aunt) of Alderman Halliday rather than the sister of Sir Leonard Halliday.


Evidence


From the 1628 inquisition post mortem of Jasper Clutterbook, gentleman (p. 19):


…the said Jasper Clutterbook by deed of enfeoffment, dated 9th August, 12 James I [1614], in consideration of a marriage had between himself and Margaret, then his wife, and for the love he bore towards her and towards Thomas and Richard Clutterbook, his sons, and for a competent jointure for the said Margaret, granted to William Holliday of London, merchant, Daniel Fowler of Stonehouse, gent., Samuel Holliday of Stanley St. Leonard, clothier, and Thomas Sandford of Stanley St. Leonard, gent., all that parcel of land …(described)...to hold to them and their heirs to the use of such person as the said Jasper by his will shall appoint; upon the determination of such use, of Thomas Clutterbook, son of the said Jasper and Margaret and his heirs male; for default, to the use of the said Richard Clutterbooke and his heirs male; for default, to the use of William Clutterbook, another son of the said Jasper and Margaret, and his heirs male; for default, to the use of the heirs of the bodies of the said Jasper and Margaret.

…By deed dated 26th August, 2 Charles I [1626], the said Jasper enfeoffed Samuel Holliday, John Trotman of Stinchcomb, clothier, Thomas Sandford, Edward Stepens of Estington, clothier, William Sheppard of Honley (?), gent. and Richard Clutterbook of Estington, gent., ….


The 1624 will of William Hallidaie, alderman, names:

- his brother Samuel Hallidaie

-his sister Margaret Clutterbook

-his brother in law Mr Jasper Clutterbrook

-his brother John Hollidaie

-his two “cousins" John and Elizabeth Hollidaie, children of his “cousin” John Hollidaie, deceased

He mentions that he is the governor of the East India Company. (His estate was worth £14 000.) The deceased “cousin” John Hollidaie was presumably the son of Sir Lawrence Halliday.


The 1612 will of Richard Byrde of Whetenhurst, proved in 1615, mentions “the detts owinge to Mr Hallidaye of london and to Mr Horton”.


The 1595 will of Richard Bayly names his uncle, Richard Byrde.


The 1588 will of Richard Pate, esquire of Gloucester, (brother of Jane, wife of Thomas Pury and mother of Ann Pury wife of Lawrence Holliday) mentions:

-”my nephew William Hallydaye” and “his brethren Richard and Samuell”

-”my cozen Hallidaye” and “her daughter Margarett” [His cousin Hallidaye was his niece Ann, William’s wife.]

-”my coozen A Hollidaye” [See above.]

-”my frend Mr Richard Birde”

-”my cosin Tobye Sandford”


The 1587 will of Lawrence Holiday:


In the name of god amen I Lawrence Holidaye one of the aldermen of the Citye of Glous’ being sick of bodye but of perfect memorye thancks be to god doe make this my Last will and testament in manner and forme following. First I bequeathe my sowle to almighty god nothing doubting of my salvac’on through Christ Jesus / First I giue unto Anne my loving wyfe my Lease of that grounde whiche I bought of John Rogers and Thomas Shervington Lying and being in whadden neere the Citye of Glous/ Item my will is that all the rest of my goodes and chattell be equally devided into three partes. twoe partes whereof and or or [sic] the rist and the true value theref I give and bequeathe unto Anne my Loving wyfe, The other third parte or the true valewe thereof I give and bequeathe unto my sonnes and daughters equally to be devided amongest them/ Item I give unto William Hollydaye my sonne and his heires for ever those my howses with that thereunto belonging sett lying and being in Cirencester within the county of Gloucester to him and his heires for ever Item I give unto my saide wyfe those twoe howses wherein I nowe dwell during her lyfe and after her decease my Will is that they shalbe and remayne as followeth, that is to saye that Richard Hollidaye my sonne shall haue the Lesser of the saide twoe howses Late in the tenure of John Reeve, to him and his heires for ever/ And the other howse I give unto John Hollidaye my sonne and his heires for ever after the decease of theire saide mother as aforesaide/ Item I giue unto Elenor Scarboroughe three poundes and to her husband twenty shillings/ Item I giue unto my sister Byrts sonne a Carpenter, twenty shillings/ Item I release unto Richard Thayce all suche money as he oweth me (excepte twenty poundes/ Item my will is that my saide wyfe shall haue the use and keping of my childrens Legaceis during theire minoritye of one and twenty years yf they be not maryed before that time keping them and providing for them as she oughte and putting in sufficient securitye unto the Cittye for the payment thereof./ And if any of my children happen to dye before suche Legacye or legaceis shalbe due unto them or any of them/ Then this my Will is that suche Legacye or Legaceis shalbe equally devided amongest the rest of them whiche shalbe then Living/ And revoking all other former willes and testaments I make my saide wyfe my sole and onely executrix of this my Last will/ and Thomas Purye my brother in Lawe overseer thereof praying him to take paynes herein with all indifferencye, And hereunto haue I putt my hande and seale yeoven the five and twentith of June and in the nyne and twentith yeare of the Reigne of our Soveraigne Ladye Elizabeth by the grace of god Quene of England, France and Ireland defendor of the faithe etc./ Laurens Hollidaye Wittnesses hereunto Thomas Purye Richard Thayce Thomas Riche.


[Proved 4 August 1587]


[I think the the Byrt above was not Richard Byrde, but rather William Byrt, who married Margaret Hollyday 15 November 1550 in Duntisbourne Rouse, Gloucestershire.]


The 1583 will of William Hallidaye of Rodborough:


In the name of god amen, The Eight Daye of Maye Anno one thowsande fyve hundred eightie twoe: I William Hallidaye of Rodboroughe within the parrish of Mynchinhampton in the Countie of Gloucester, Clothier, beinge of good and perfect memory (thankes be unto god) Doe here make my last will and testament in manner and fourme following, First I bequeathe my soule unto allmightie god my maker and Redeemer, and my bodye to be buried within the Churche of Rodboroughe aforesaide: And for my goods, which god hathe possessed mee withall, I doe lykewise bequeathe the same in manner and fourme followinge. First I bequeathe unto Anne my wief my howse wherein I nowe dwell, withe all other my Leasses, groundes and landes by me boughte and purchased for any estate for yeares, withall my woods within the Tethinge of Pagenhill alias Pagnell for and duringe all the yeares to comme in the same (yf my saide wife so longe shall lyve.) making no waste: And after the decease of Anne my wief, my will ys the same to remayne: And I doe give and bequeathe all the foresaide Leases groundes and other the premisses and wooddes unto my sonne Gyles Hallidaye duringe all the yeares therein then to comme (yf she lyve so longe) And after the deceasse of the saide Gyles, my mynde is, that all the same shall remayne, And I doe give and bequeathe all the same whollye to Henrye Hallydaye sonne of the said Gyles Hallydaye, and to his assignes, for ever, Item I give unto the saide Anne my wief, all my Landes, Tenements, and hereditaments, wherein I have any estate of inheritaunce or that I boughte of anye p[er]son or p[er]sons to mee and myne heyres, To haue and to houlde duringe the naturall lyfe of my saide wyef: And after the deceasse of my saide wyfe, the Remainder thereof to my saide sonne Gyles, Then my mynde ys that all the same Landes, Tenements, and hereditamentes shall comme and remayne, and I gyve the same unto the saide Henrye Hollidaye and his heires for ever. Item I give and bequeathe unto the saide Henrye Hallidaye Twentye poundes of lawfull money of Englande, To be payde unto him when he commeth unto the aige of one and twentye yeares Item I give unto Richarde Hollydaye the seconde sonne of the saide Gyles Hallidaye tenne poundes of lawfull money of Englande, to be paide unto him when he comes unto thaige of one and twentye yeares. Item I give unto Margery Heynes my daughter Fyve poundes of lawfull monney of England. Item I give unto William Heynes her sonne Fyve poundes of lyke lawfull money of England. Item I gyve unto Johan Fletcher my daughter fyve poundes of lyke lawfull money of England. Item I give unto Jane Fletcher the daughter of the saide Jone Fyve poundes of like lawfull money of England. And I will that all the saide last fower severall Sommes of money shalbe paide accordingly within one yeare next after the provinge of this my last will and testament: Item I give unto Henry Fletcher Fourty shillinges of lyke lawfull monney of England to be paide when he shall come unto the age of one and twentye yeares. Item I give and bequeathe unto Mary Brodgate my doughter Tenne poundes of lawfull money of England to be paide within one yeare after the provinge of this my last will. Item I give unto Leonard Brodgate her sonne tenne poundes, to be paide to the use of the saide Leonarde, when he shall accomplishe and comme unto the full age of twelve yeares: Provided alwayes and my meaning ys, that yf yt happen that any of theise persons, to whome I haue given the saide Sommes of money to dye before the tyme lymytted for payment thereof, Then I doe bequeathe the porcion or porcions of him her or them so dyinge, unto my Exectours: All the rest of my goods unbequeathed, I gyve unto the sayde Anne my wief and to the saide Gyles Hallidaye my sonne ioyntlie, whome I make my wholle Executors of this my last will and Testament, Referring my funeralls to the discression of my Executors And I doe nowe revoke all other willes by mee heretofore made, And in witness hereof I doe confesse the same in the presence of the witnesses followinge, The daye and yeare above written William Hallidaye, Richard Paine Byrde, John Heynes, Richard Fletcher, William Heynes, Henry Compton./


[Proved 8 October 1583]


[I suspect that William Hallidaye the witness was the future alderman and the testator’s nephew.]


Bordley (p. 23) quotes from a letter from John R. B. Walker, Rouge Croix, College of Arms in London, dated 22 July 1949: “...prior to 1605 it is probable no [Hollyday] crest existed. In the earlier days of heraldry it was usual for families to have Arms without a Crest, for the latter was used in tournaments and whereas a man might be of sufficient standing to lead soldiers in battle, he was not of necessity of sufficient social standing to take part in tournaments. Later, it became customary for all armigerous families to adopt Crests. On 21 September 1605, William Camden, Clarenceux, made the grant of a Crest and a confirmation of Arms to Sir Leonard, who was described as a ‘Citizen & Alderman of London.’ The Arms described: Sable three Helments Argent garnished Or with a Bordure engrailed of the Second; and the Crest, a Demi Lion guardant Or supporting an Anchor proper. The Mantling Gules doubled Silver. One of the records of this entry gives a short pedigree of four generations from Sir Leonard to John Holliday, born about 1640; another refers to the marriage of Agnes the daughter and heir of Robert Holliday…in which her arms are given as above. The second refers to William Hollyday, Alderman of London, who died 7 February 1623. In this there are two entries, the first being a grant of arms on 30 February in that year obviously to enable the arms to be used at his funeral and the second, his funeral certificate. This grant was made by John Borough, Norroy. The only difference between this coat and the former was that in the latter the bordure was straight while in the former it was engrailed. The inference is that the two families were related without evidence to prove the relationship.”


[Bordley holds, incorrectly I think, that William the alderman was the elder brother of Sir Leonard.]


References


Abstracts of Gloucestershire Inquisitiones Post Mortem: 1-18 Charles I. 1625-1642. (1899).


Baddeley, John James. The Aldermen of Cripplegate Ward from A.D.1276 to A.D. 1900. (London, 1900).


Bordley, James. The Hollyday Family. (Baltimore, 1962).


Burke, John. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland. Vol. II. (London 1835)


Parish registers of Whitminster, Gloucestershire. Digital images on Ancestry.com accessed 6 April 2019.


The Visitation of the County of Gloucester 1682-3. (Exeter, 1884).


Will of Edwarde Haliday of Rodborough. Proved 1519 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.


Will of Elizabeth Bayly. Proved 1578 in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Gloucester. Digital images on Ancestry.com accessed 6 April 2019.


Will of Margery Haliday. Proved 1513 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.


Will of Lawrence Holidaye, alderman of Gloucester. Proved 1587 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.


Will of Richard Bayly. Proved 1595 in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Gloucester. Digital images on Ancestry.com accessed 6 April 2019.


Will of Richard Byrde of Whetenhurst. Proved 1615 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.


Will of Richard Pate, esq, of Gloucester. Proved 1588 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.


Will of William Hallidaie, Alderman. Proved 1624 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. [The National Archives has misspelled his name “Hallidine” in the index.]


Will of William Halidaye of Rodborough. Proved 1583 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury.