Eustache Trian
Events
Date of Birth: unknown.
Place of Birth: unknown.
Date of Death: between 1246 and 1252.
Place of Death: unknown.
John Watson, in a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, notes that Eustache is recorded in a fine from 1246 (Sussex Fines 1:no. 428) and that her second husband remarried in 1252 (Sussex Fines no. 523).
Relationships
Father: William Trian, lord of Oxenton, Gloucestershire.
Robert’s father is given as William in the Curia Regis Rolls for 1207 (see below). William Trian is described as lord of Oxenton in a pipe roll of 1176 (Pipe Rolls, 25:127). Robert Trian and Eustache Trian later held Oxenton. Eustache’s father is given, apparently in error, in a note in Landboc (p. 156) as Robert Trian and Robert’s wife is given there as Hugelina. (Landboc cites Rot. Litt. Claus., i, 142b, 170b, and 207b. A look at that source shows: 142b only mentions Robert; in 170b, Eustachia is described as Robert’s sister; 207b states that Hugelina was the wife of Robert.) The Trians and Nevills have been discussed extensively on soc.genealogy.medieval, with many valuable contributions from John Watson among others. It seems that some uncertainty still remains.
Mother: unknown.
Brother: Robert de Trian
This relationship is given by the Gloucestershire VCH (8:sub Oxenton). It is recorded in a Close Roll from 1214 (see below). Robert's wife was named Hugelina.
Aunt: Juliane, wife of Philip of Holdenby.
This relationship is given in a case in the Curia Regis Rolls (vol. 6, p. 169; see below). Juliane is there said to have attempted to defraud Robert Trian of land in Holdenby which he should legally have inherited by adopting a child and passing it off as her own.
Spouse: Sir Robert de Neville. Married by 1214.
This relationship is given by the Gloucestershire VCH (8:sub Oxenton). In a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, John Watson points out that this relationship is recorded in a Close Roll from 1214 (see below).
Spouse: Ralph de la Haye.
This relationship is given by the Gloucestershire VCH (8:sub Oxenton), although it suggests that Ralph’s wife Eustachia may have been a namesake daughter of Eustache Trian, (who presumably married a Nevill before Ralph.) Ralph's inquisition post mortem mentions his wife, Eustacia (CIPM vol 1, no.301). It also mentions land that Eustache had inherited from her brother Robert in Brampton and Holdenby, in Northamptonshire, land in Tarring Neville in Sussex that she had also somehow inherited, and Eustache's son Philip de Nevill.
Children (by Robert):
(Complete source citations for the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project.)
Ralph de Neville (died by 1239).
Philip de Neville (about 1214 - 1273).
(probable) Children (by Ralph):
John de la Hay (died 1274).
Joan de la Hay.
Peter de la Hay of Arlington, Sussex.
Evidence
From the Curia Regis Rolls volume 5, p. 71:
1207.
North’. -- Philippus de Aubenni et Johanna uxor ejus per Marchis attornatum suum petunt versus Henricum de Dive quod prosternat molendinum suum quod ipse injuste levavit in Bramton’: et Henricus petit inde visum. Habeat. Dies datus est eis a die sancti Hillarii in xv. dies: et interim etc.
North’ -- Idem petunt versus eundem Henricum quod teneat finem factum in curia regis Henrici inter Willelmum Trian, patrem Roberti Trian qui est in custodia eorum, et Henricum de Dive patrem ipsius Henrici, unde ipsi queruntur quod ipse deforciat eidem Roberto servicium Petri Picot de tenemento quod tenet in Bramton’ et medietatem tenementi Radulfi Clerici in Norht’. Et Henricus dicit quod non vult nec debet esse contra finem illum; set revera pater suus obiit seisitus de servicio Petri, et Willelmus de Diva, qui habuit eum in custodia post obitum patris sui, similiter habuit servicium ejus dum fuit in custodia ejus, et ipsemet postea postquam venit ad terram bene et in pace, quia nunquam positus fuit in racione quod illud servicium ab eo peteret. De terra Radulfi Clerici dicit quod nescit quod tenementum illud sit, set bene scit quod pater suus tenuit quoddam tenementum quod vastum est et diu fuit vastum; et bene concedit ei medietatem. Set quoniam nescitur quod servicium Petrus debeat nec in cirographo contenetur quod ipse presens fuit quando cirographum factum fuit, consideratum est quod Petrus summoneatur ad recongnoscendum quod servicium ipse debeat de tenemento quod tenet in Bramton’ et de quo teneat. Dies datus est eis a die sancti Hillarii in xv. dies.
From the Curia Regis Rolls volume 6, p. 169:
1211.
North’. --Preceptum fuit vicecomiti quod ipse haberet coram rege corpora Phillippi de Haudeneb’ et Juliane uxoris sue, qui tenent quandam terram in Haudenebi que post obitum ipsius Juliane descendere debet Roberto Trian jure hereditario, ad respondendum ipsi Roberto quare ipsi falso et pro eo exheredando assumpserunt sibi puerum alienum et illum nutrivit ut suum et quod interim mitteret legales et discretos homines et feminas qui eam viderent et cognoscere scirent tam per verba quam alio modo si ipsa Juliana puerum illum peperisset et quod ipse inquireret per legales homines de eodem visneto quid ipsi crederent de versus Cantuariam, in quo itinere ipsa dixit se predictum puerum peperisse. Et vicecomes mandavit per literas suas quod ipse per milites et per alios discretos tam homines quam feminas legales inquisivit quod nec per verba nec aliquo alio modo vident nec intelligunt quod ipsa Juliana peperisset puerum illum et quod ipsa Juliana pregnans non fuit die quo ipsa iter predictum aripuit: et P[h]ilippus et Juliana predicti veniunt et cognoscunt puerum illum alienum esse, ita quod ipsa Juliana dixit quod in itinere predicto, quando ipsa fuit apud Cantuariam, venit ipsa apud Londonium et tantum locuta fuit cum quadam paupere muliercula, cujus infans ipse fuit, quod ipsa ei reddidit puerum illum et quem ipsa advocavit ut suum ob quandam iram quam ipsa habuit versus predictum Robertum Trian nepotem suum. Et ideo consideratum est quod, sicut ipsi falso voluerunt ipsum Robertum exheredare per predictum puerum, amittat feodum illud, et ipse Robertus habeat seisinam inde: et ipsi Philippus et uxor sua custodiantur, nisi possint milites invenire qui eos velint capere in custodia; et committuntur Roberto de Brinton’ Willelmo de Heiford; Petro Britoni et David de Kiselingeberi Ricardo juniori de Flore ad ducendum eos ad vicecomitem, qui capiat eos in custodia.
From Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum (1:170b):
(I can’t reproduce all the markings exactly. Where I can’t, I place a colon after the letter(s) the marking appears above or after.)
Rex dño P. Wint: Ep:o :t:c:. Mandam: voƀ qđ sñ dilõe plenar: saisinā hr:e faciatis Roƀto de Nevill de man:io de Oxenđ qđ fuit Roƀi de Trian q: ħeditarie 9tīgit Eustachiā sororē ej: đ Roƀi de Trian q:ā p:dc:s Roƀ de Nevill dux: ī ux:. Ap: Niort: ʴ xxxiiij. die Aug:.
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