John Threle (died 1465)
Events
Date of Birth: unknown.
Place of Birth: unknown.
Date of Death: 10 April 1465.
Place of Burial: Arundel, Sussex.
The date is recorded in John’s monumental inscription.
Relationships
Father: unknown.
Mother: unknown.
Spouse: Joan Barttelot.
The relationship is given by Elwes (p. 262).
Children:
(Complete source citations for facts about the children on this page are currently outside of the scope of this project.)
Evidence
Elwes (p. 262) states that John was Marshall of the Household to William, Earl of Arundel.
from the Report of the Deputy Keeper of Records v. 48:
1439/40 January - March. Westminster. [French Rolls]
Protection to the following:-- ….and John Threlle, all in the retinue of Walter Cressoner, knight.
from the Calendar of Patent Rolls:
1440. April 17. Westminster
Revocation of the protection with clause volumus for one year granted to John Threle alias Threlle alias Threll alias Threele alias Threelle alias Threell alias Thryele alias Thryll alias Thryell alias Thryelle esquire, as having gone to Picardy in the company of Walter Cressoner, esquire, captain of the castle of Crotoye; because he tarries in the town of Westminster, co. Middlesex, as the sheriff of Middlesex has certified.
from the Calendar of Close Rolls:
1447. May 1. Westminster.
Robert Lysle esquire to John Bartlot of Stopeham, John Threlle and John Bartlot of Cotys. Letter of attorney, appointing them to give Thomas Lewkenore knight, Thomas Hoo and John Michelgrove seisin of the manor of Pulbergh and all lands etc. of the said Robert in Sussex except those called the Hope.
1456.
Commission to John Threll.
1457
Conveyance by John Ernele to John Michelgrove, Joan his wife, William Okehurst, John Threll, John Goryng junior, John Bartelot, Humphrey Henster, Thomas Ouewyn and John Slopere, of the manor of Ernele and all his lands in Sussex and Wiltshire, except his manor of Powlesholt.
1467
Conveyance by John Goring, Humphrey Heuster and Thomas Ouewyne to John Lunsford and Margaret his wife, late wife of John Ernele, deceased, of the manor of Ernele, Sussex, as dower, which they had, together with John Michelgrove and his wife Joan, William Okehurst, John Thrells, John Bartelot and John Sloper, deceased, by feoffment of the said John Ernele.
from the Calendar of Fine Rolls:
1439. November 24. Westminster.
Commitment (with like clause and proviso) to Hugh Dike, Edward Sakevile and John Threll, — by mainprise of John Tychebourn of the county of Southampton, esquire, and Walter Urry of Horsham, co. Sussex, ' gentilman,' — of the keeping of the manor of Wymeryng, co. Southampton, which is in the king's hands by the death of Katharine late the wife of John Botiller ; to hold the same from 24 October last for 7 years, if it shall remain for so long in the king's hand, at a yearly farm of the 16/. 11s. 8d. at which the said manor was extended, (as appears in an inquis tion taken before John Thornbury, escheator in the said county of Southampton, by virtue of his office, on the said 24 October), and an increment of 65.s 8d.
1458 Dec 4 John Woode, – by mainprise of John Apsle of London, ‘gentilman,’ and John Threle of Arundell, co. Sussex, ‘gentilman,’--from Michaelmas last for 7 years, at a yearly farm of the 64l. 3s. 4d. for which answer has been made to the king and an increment of 6s. 8d.; in the town and suburbs of Bristol.
from the Penhurst manuscripts:
(pp. 4-6):
In 1441, 1448, 1451, and 1461, John Threll, ‘squire’ (along with James Byne and several others), was acting as a feoffee for William Sydney of Kingsham. John Bartelot of North Stooke was another feoffee.
from Tierney (2:637-8):
…on the south side, is another stone, inlaid with figures of a knight and his lady, and an escutcheon, paly of eight. Under the knight, the following inscription, in bad latin verse, still remains perfect:--
Siste pedem, cerne, rogo, funde p’camina pro me;
Elapsis annis fueram quod es: esto Joannis,
Questo, memor dicti Threel; modo sum quod eris.
Pretulit hospitio me tunc Comes ecce Will’ms
Maryschall officio; sic vadit omnis honor.
Preteriere dies, nil certu’, certa tamen mors,
Hora si incerta. Me speculieris ita,
Que’ mors surripuit Dn’i post mille quater cccc
Annos sexagenos, quinque simul numeratis,
Aprilis decimu’ vis superadde diem.
The following was formerly under the other figure, but has now disappeared:--
Hujus sponsa fuit, quondam vocitata Joanna,
Ante tamen cecedi nece nullo posse neganda.
Hic ancillavi comitissis ante duabus.
Filia prima fuit regisque vocata Beatrix
Portugall’ regna tunc oriunda suo,
Regum procedens er stirpe: secunda Joanna.
His sum conjuncta morte, prius famula.
Prospice praesentes tumulos queis claudim’ omnes;
Omnes terra sumus, sic erit omnis homo.
Fata tulere in vitam tunc mille notando
Annos quadringentos quinquaginta novemque,
Quartum Septembris, atque diem decimum.
References
Elwes, Dudley George Cary (assisted by Charles J. Robinson) A History of the Castles, Mansions, and Manors of Western Sussex. (1876).
Report on the Manuscripts of Lord de L’Isle & Dudley preserved at Penshurst Place vol. 1 (Historical Manuscripts Commission, 1925).
Tierney, Mark Aloysius. The History and Antiquities of the Castle and Town of Arundel. v. 2 (1834).