Degars Massacred at Hue 68

Anthony Morreale amorreale22 at gmail.com

Tue Aug 4 11:27:01 PDT 2015

Dear list,

I'm wondering if anybody can point me to literature that deals with the

Montagnard students killed in Hue in 68. The only information I've been

able to dig up so far is either from Montagnard Human Rights sources or is

mired in the larger controversy regarding NVA assassinations. I know there

may not be much documentation, but surely there must be some original

source that these others are referencing.

Thanks for any help,

Anthony Morreale

MA student

UC Berkeley

Paul Schmehl pschmehl at tx.rr.com

Tue Aug 4 11:42:35 PDT 2015

There is a paucity of accurate information regarding what happened in Hue.

I'm not familiar with any documents that discuss Montagnard fatalities in

Hue.

You may be able to find Montagnard names among these two lists:

List of Civilians Massacred by the Communists During “Tet Mau Than” in

Thua Thien Province ad Hue City1.pdf

List of Civilians Massacred by the Communists During “Tet Mau Than” in

Thua Thien Province ad Hue City2.pdf

They can be downloaded or viewed here:

<http://www.vvfh.org/research/research-files.html>

Paul Schmehl (pschmehl at tx.rr.com)

Independent Researcher

Frank Proschan frank.proschan at yahoo.com

Tue Aug 4 12:30:06 PDT 2015

Without wishing to reopen long-festering wounds, may I call to Mr Morreale’s attention the previous debates (in 1999) on the use of the anachronistic terms ‘Montagnard’ and ‘Degar’ or ‘Dega’ (the former also shows up in the essay by Michael Benge linked yesterday by R.J. Del Vecchio):

The Great Montagnard Debate: <http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_1999/mont1.html> Part I; <http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_1999/mont2.html> Part II ; <http://www.lib.washington.edu/southeastasia/vsg/elist_1999/mont3.html> Part III

If one is citing 1968-era documents, ‘Montagnard’ is the contemporaneous term, with all of its accumulated pejorative baggage, but Mr Morreale and Mr Benge are writing in 2015. The Dega or Degar only came into being in the mid-1980s (when many were allied with Pol Pot, although we’re not supposed to remember this), so it is anachronistic to refer to them in Hue in 1968.

Best,

Frank Proschan

Independent (truly)

Washington, DC

Anthony Morreale amorreale22 at gmail.com

Tue Aug 4 12:54:37 PDT 2015

Dear group,

I meant no offense when using the terms Montagnard or Degar. I only used

the terms used by the activist organizations that were publishing

information about the massacre.

http://www.mhro.org/montangards-history

http://www.degarfoundation.org/who-are-degar-2

I do not intend to debate the relative offensiveness of the terms here,

only to ask for the groups help in recovering the relevant information. If

the group prefers, I will instead call them "The student victims at the

boarding school of the Ministry of Ethnic Minority Development".

Anthony Morreale

MA Student

Group in Asian Studies

UC Berkeley

David Brown nworbd at gmail.com

Tue Aug 4 17:47:44 PDT 2015

Frank, I'm sure that we all want to use the appropriate terms. If I

understand you correctly, one should only use the term 'montagnard' when

quoting documents from a bygone era. That's reasonable. You seem to prefer

'Dega' or 'Degar' as the currently politically correct descriptor. Do all

of the Central Highlands ethnic minorities use that term when referring to

themselves, or is it specific only to certain minority groups (E-de, Ba-Na,

Gia Rai, etc.) or perhaps only some members of certain minority groups? Do

the minority groups in Vietnam's northwest also refer to themselves as

'Dega/r'? Is it acceptable to refer to Vietnamese citizens who are neither

Kinh nor Khmer nor Cham nor Chinese simply as 'highlanders'? Regards, David

--

*David Brown*

*Writer on contemporary Vietnam*

*Fresno, California USA*

*1-559-681-2008*

Frank Proschan frank.proschan at yahoo.com

Tue Aug 4 18:44:31 PDT 2015

Dear David,

Sorry if I left you with the impression that I prefer the name Dega or Degar as a general term. There are various origin myths circulating about how that name came to be used (especially from the mid-1980s onwards) to denote a particular political alignment of ethnic minority people of the Central Highlands. I am not personally sympathetic to their claim to represent ALL of the indigenous populations of the Central Highlands and to impose the name they have chosen for themselves onto others who do not share their political views. If by “Dega” or “Degar” we mean, “all those who choose for themselves the autonym Dega or Degar, and only those”, of course they have the right to identify themselves how they choose. That does not mean that it can be accepted as a general designation for Central Highlands minorities who do not so self-identify.

I like “highlanders” as a term that characterizes people in neutral, non-pejorative terms and does not pretend to describe any single ethnic group. When speaking of particular ethnic groups, I like to use their own autonym (thus, farther north, Iduh rather than O Du or Tay Hat, Ksing Mul rather than Xinh Mun, etc.). So yes, Dega or Degar for those who so wish to identify themselves, but not as a general term for those who do not – which probably means the vast majority of Central Highlanders still living in the Central Highlands, as distinct from expat communities in the U.S. or France.

Best,

Frank Proschan

Independent

Washington, DC

William Noseworthy wnosewor at gmail.com

Wed Aug 5 11:57:00 PDT 2015

Dear All,

What a good set of questions David and all!

As far as I am aware Degar is an accepted term in a given socio-historical

cum political context. What I mean hear is that it has very specific

origins to the attempt to create a unified highland identity that bridged

across Austronesian and Austroasiatic lines. However, more recently, there

have been some individuals who are members of specific communities who have

rejected the term. Most of these individuals seem to be from Phnong cross

border Cambodia-Vietnam communities (southern Austroasiatic), although I am

certain with other communities there has been some rejection as well, since

certain individuals that I spoke with in Vietnam rejected the term out of

its 'danger,' preferring to simply identify with their individual ethnic

groups. However, I would welcome other information and 'two cents' on the

subject.

Very best,

Billy