Vietnamese exiles in Paris

Hue-Tam Ho Tai hhtai at fas.harvard.edu

Thu May 3 12:14:46 PDT 2007

Dear all:

On behalf of Professor Sean Wilentz of Princeton, I'd like information

about Vietnamese exiles in Paris in the 1950s and early 1960s. Prof.

Wilentz has come across mentions of Nguyễn Thái Bình and Tran van Tung

in the papers of Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., as well as of Phan Quang Dan,

and would like to know more about them but also about Vietnamese exiles

in that period more generally. Many thanks.

Hue-Tam Ho Tai

Judith Henchy judithh at u.washington.edu

Thu May 3 12:30:47 PDT 2007

Hue Tam,

Is this the same Nguyễn Thái Bình who was shot at Tân Sơn Nhất after the

hijacking? We have some information here about him, since he was a UW

student, including the student newspaper that was started, I believe after

his death (published in LA), and the archive of the Memorial Committee based

in Seattle.

Judith

Stephen Denney sdenney at OCF.Berkeley.EDU

Thu May 3 12:36:19 PDT 2007

The Indochina Archive of UC Berkeley (closed for now) has biographical

files, which might include materials on Nguyen Thai Binh. These files were

photocopied in 1997 and Texas Tech's Vietnam Center has the photocopied

biographical files.

- Steve Denney

Stephen Denney sdenney at OCF.Berkeley.EDU

Thu May 3 17:11:00 PDT 2007

Was the newspaper Thai Binh, published by the Association of Vietnamese

Patriots in the U.S.?

- Steve Denney

Hue-Tam Ho Tai hhtai at fas.harvard.edu

Thu May 3 17:15:22 PDT 2007

Judith and Steve:

I don't know anything about Nguyen Thai Binh whose name shows up in the

papers of Schlesinger. It may well be he, so any information regarding

him would be welcome.

Hue-Tam

Judith Henchy judithh at u.washington.edu

Thu May 3 17:53:19 PDT 2007

Steve,

This is the paper that was published after Nguyen Thai Binh's death. Thanks

to Chung for the details of his life. It does look as if the Paris

connection is a different person:

Thái bình.

by Liên Hiệp Việt Kiêu tại Mỹ.

Language: Vietnamese Type: Serial Publication : Periodical

Publisher: Fullerton, Calif. Liên Hiệp Việt Kiêu tại Mỹ.

ISSN: 0364-8559 | OCLC: 2208559 |

We just microfilmed it a couple of years ago, but haven't yet cataloged the

film copy.

Judith

Chung Nguyen Chung.Nguyen at umb.edu

Thu May 3 17:17:27 PDT 2007

I think the Nguyen Thai Binh who is now lionized in Vietnam because of his sacrifice for the

antiwar cause in the 1972 could not be the one referred to here. He couldn't be in exile in

Paris in the 1950s or early 1960s for he was born in 1948 and graduated from highschool in

Saigon in 1968.

Coming to the US the Leadership scholarship for undergraduate study in 1968, Nguyen Thai

Binh hijacked the American 747 on July 2, 1972 and ordered it to fly to Hanoi as a protest

against the war. The plane flew to Saigon instead, and he was shot dead by an American on

the plane. He was 24 years old.

Chung Nguyen Chung.Nguyen at umb.edu

Fri May 4 05:43:56 PDT 2007

et me correct that NTB graduated in highschool in 1967, instead of 1968. There were other

Vietnamese at the time in Paris who were also actively involved in the antiwar movement -

Nguyen Ngoc Giao, Tran Hai Hac, Ha Duong Tuong, Dang Tien, Huynh Trung Dong, etc.- later

mostly members of "Hoi Viet Kieu Yeu Nuoc Tai Phap" (Association of VNese Patriots in

France). Lot of the names could be gleaned from the list of signers to the Letter from the

Heart (Buc Tam Thu) that NN Giao spearheaded in Dec 1989.

Nhu Miller trantnhu at gmail.com

Fri May 4 03:40:40 PDT 2007

Back to Vietnamese exiles in Paris:

Hoang Xuan Han and his brother Hoang Xuan Man.

Nguyen Tien Lang

Nguyen Ton Hoan

Tran Van Khe

Vo Lang

Pham Bich

Pham Ngoan

Pham Hoan

and many other members of Pham Quynh's family

Ton That Thien

Nguyen Cam, the artist -- who at the age of 16 - began bringing

his 7 siblings to France.

When I was growing up in France in the 1950s, most Vietnamese were very pro

Ha noi except for Nguyen Ton Hoan, of course. But there was little indication that

any would return to live in Ha noi. It was very much wait and see. And most of

the above mentioned remained in France for the rest of their lives, except Tran Van

Khe who now lives in Saigon.

T.T.Nhu

P.S. I am amazed at the longevity of Nguyen Thai Binh's memory. There are

streets and schools named after him in many cities. I visited his parents

shortly after his death in 1972 and they told me that the NLF had assured them that he would

be memorialized as a hero. At the time, I thought they were hallucinating.

But apparently, they were not.

Mike High mike.high at earthlink.net

Fri May 4 06:54:24 PDT 2007

> Hoang Van Chi, the author of ³From Colonialism to Communism² was an exile in

> Paris in the early 60s. (According to the book jacked, he had moved south in

> 1955, after seeing some of the terrors of the Land Reform campaign, but

> eventually found the Saigon regime too restrictive, and left Viet Nam

> altogether.)

pascal bourdeaux pascalbourdeaux at yahoo.fr

Fri May 4 11:40:29 PDT 2007

Don't forget professor Trinh Van Thao who arrived in Paris after anti-Diem student movements

in 1955

and maybe Ngo Van??

P.B.

phuxuan700 at gmail.com phuxuan700 at gmail.com

Fri May 4 18:33:16 PDT 2007

People like Dang Thuy Tram, Nguyen Thai Binh, etc. were very fortunate that

they died young.

If they had lived to see what their beloved country turns out today, to find

out how their dreams were betrayed, their hearts would have been broken into

thousands of pieces!

Mai Chi Tho, Le Duc Tho's younger brother, one of the most powerful person

in the South in the 1980's, wrote in his memoire, "In the old days [while

part of the country was under the French or the American control],

prostitutes were ashamed of their work; nowadays, they are proud of being

associated with foreigners ... Moral values have gone in the opposite

direction..."

Was the price for being heroes worth the cost ?

Calvin Thai

Edward Miller Edward.G.Miller at Dartmouth.EDU

Fri May 4 14:45:32 PDT 2007

To return to one of the three exiles that Hue-Tam mentioned originally:

Phan Quang Dda'n (a.k.a “Phan Huy Dda'n”, his birth name) was born in Vinh

in 1918 to a prominent family; two of his brothers were lawyers and two were

merchants. In the aftermath of the August Revolution, Dan was linked both

to the VNQDD and the Dai Viet, and he fled to China in 1946 where he was

apparently sheltered by the KMT. He met up with Bao Dai in Hong Kong in the

late 1940s when the latter was being courted both by the French and by

would-be Vietnamese Third Forcers. According to one source, Dan was

introduced to Bao Dai by the VNQDD leader Nguyen Hai Than. Dan may even

have accompanied Bao Dai to Europe in 1948. As the Bao Dai solution took

shape, Dan seemed likely to get a high ranking position in the State of

Vietnam; however, in 1950 he broke with Bao Dai and founded an oposition

group known as the "Cong Hoa Viet Nam" party in Paris. This group was

anti-French, anti-Bao Dai and anti-Viet Minh. According to several sources,

Dan travelled extensively between France, the US, Thailand and Indochina

during the early 1950s; he also studied public health at Harvard for a time.

(Perhaps he met Schlesinger there?) According to sources I found in Aix,

the French linked him to Dinh Xuan Quang, a former Secretary of State, so he

seems to have maintained some ties to Bao Dai even while he was publically

critcal of the ex-emperor. The French also placed him in Bangkok in 1952,

where he was allegedly pursuing an American-funded Third Force scheme. The

French eventually came to the conclusion that Dan’s outfit was part of a

“Front Démocratique anti-communiste du Sud-Est Asiatique”, financed by the

Americans. But even if this was the case, as the Front seems to have been

moribund by late 1953.

Dan was still living outside of Vietnam at the time of the Geneva Accords in

1954. On May 15, 1955, the NYT published a letter to the editor by Dan in

which he called for the creation of National Assembly in South Vietnam. He

also called for Bao Dai to step down, but refrained from any overtly pro- or

anti-Diem statements. The letter was dated Manila, May 10.

Dan returned to South Vietnam a few months later. In an interview in the Cao

Dai paper Thoi Bao (published 13 Sept 1955), Dan reported that he had been

in the US for much of 1953, and then was travelling in Europe and the near

east until his return to Vietnam in Sept 1955. (See also his interview in

the Cao Dai journal Quoc Gia, published on 12 Sep 1955.)

After 1955, Dan became increasingly critical of the Diem government. The

regime apparently did not initially consider Dan to be much of a

threat--probably because he had no political organization behind him.

However, he joined with other non-communist oppositionists in early 1956 in

boycotting the National Assembly elections that Diem had organized, and he

continued to be critical of the regime thereafter. One source indicates he

was involved with the newspaper Thoi Luan, which was one of the main

oppositionist publications until it was shut down by the government in the

late 1950s.

Dan became South Vietnam's most famous anti-communist dissident during the

later years of the Diem government. In the 1959 RVN National Assembly

elections elections, Dan decided to run as a candidate from a district in

Saigon. He won an overwhelming victory over the government-backed

candidate. However, Diem proceded to void the election results on a

trumped-up technicality and Dan was barred from taking his seat.

Interestingly, despite the attention that this case received in the

international media, Dan was not a signatory to the Caravelle manifesto when

it was signed in April 1960--apparently his brand of dissidence was not

something that the (rather conservative) signers of that document wanted to

associate themselves with.

Dan was detained by RVN security forces in November 1960, on suspicion of

involvement with the failed ARVN paratrooper coup against the Diem

government. He was subsequently sent to Con Dao, and he was still there

when the Diem government fell in 1963.

Dan published an as-told-to English-language memoir in the early 1990s,

entitled "The Dawn of Free Vietnam: A Biographical Sketch of Doctor Phan

Quang Dan."

Ed Miller

Dartmouth College

Ginger R. Davis ginger.davis at temple.edu

Sat May 5 05:01:40 PDT 2007

I have letters from a Nguyen Thai Binh in Paris to Walt Rostow

in October 1961. I copied them from the Kennedy Library in

Boston. Unfortunately they are in storage in the US, so I

can't access them readily nor give you the citation. I am

certain, given the great archival staff at JFK, that they

would be happy to help you locate the materials.

What I remember from the letters: This NTB stated that he was

part of an peace organization in France. I also recall he

quoted from several French newspapers regarding the progress

of the American war. If I am not mistaken, attached to his

letters was his biography and some materials from his

organization. There were at least three separate letters,

maybe more.

I happen to have the following notes from one letter with me,

which may help to determine if this is the right person:

"US foreign policy has supported a familial dictatorship whose

tyrannical methods have incurred the hatred and compounded the

misery of the Vietnamese people.

The reluctance of the Vietnamese people to fight for “freedom”

as President Kennedy observed, is understandable when one

considers the choice they are facing: to succumb to Communist

aggression, or, to fight a despot whose tyranny has made them

miserable for seven long years. No amount of US military aid

is going to compensate for the evils that have been committed

in the name of democracy by the Diem regime. It is never too

late to fight for democracy, but it is certainly far too late

to turn the tide of well deserved hatred away from the corrupt

Diem. The Vietnamese people will never give their support to

him."

Hope this helps-

Ginger

Hue-Tam Ho Tai hhtai at fas.harvard.edu

Sat May 5 05:55:01 PDT 2007

Many thanks. This is indeed very helpful. I will forward this to Prof.

Wilentz.

Hue-Tam Ho Tai

David Marr dgm405 at coombs.anu.edu.au

Mon May 7 19:55:52 PDT 2007

I don't know how far Prof.Wilentz wants to go

into the topic, but there were different kinds of

Vietnamese `exiles' in France in the 1950s and

1960s. Some could not or would not go back to

the south, some the north, and some were

disgusted with both. Some were useful to Saigon,

some to Hanoi, some did their own thing. In the

third category I'd put Hoàng Xuân Hãn and Trần Văn Khê.

Others? I suspect history will be kinder to them.

David Marr

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