Wikivietlit

Dan Duffy dduffy at email.unc.edu

Mon Mar 12 05:10:21 PDT 2007

Hi all,

I hope to launch Wikivietlit at the VNLP website on Friday. It is a

free web-based, user-written English-language reference to Vietnamese

literature.

Wikivietlit differs from the well-known Wikipedia in that authorities

are writing most of it. 2007 Editor Linh Dinh has contributed nearly

100 articles to set the tone. Summer 2007 fellows Lily Chiu and

Hai-Dang Phan will contribute a set of articles substantiating their

critical interests.

As soon as the VNLP spring event season is over I will be writing about

English and French language scholars of Vietnamese literature, a project

supported by Rockefeller and the Joiner Center which has made all this

possible.

You all are of course invited to revise and contribute. We will protect

your work from vandals.

We hope to provide open access starting on Friday, but right now you can

go to vietnamlit.org/wiki, and register as username "guest" and password

"guest."

Dan

Joe Hannah jhannah at u.washington.edu

Mon Mar 12 10:00:31 PDT 2007

Dan,

I am excited about this effort to harness the great knowledge that exists

in the Vietnamese Studies community and focus it in a useful resource. I

hope we (as a community of scholars) can do similar things in other fields

in the future. Best wishes on this endeavor!

Joe Hannah

Dan Duffy dduffy at email.unc.edu

Fri Mar 16 05:10:41 PDT 2007

Hi all,

Wikivietlit is up at the Viet Nam Literature Project website. Click on

the icon at the upper right corner of our front page,

<www.vietnamlit.org>, or go directly to <www.vietnamlit.org/wiki>

A wiki is a user-written web-based relational data-base using the free

software provided by Wikimedia. The best-known wiki is the popular

Wikipedia, written by non-experts who stress attribution to written

authorities.

Wikivietlit is more like the wikis that work-teams in corporations and

labs and classes at universities use to keep each other up on procedures

and key information. We encourage people who know something about

Vietnamese literature to share their knowledge with each other and the

general public.

The front page of the wiki explains itself, with boxes on coverage,

staff, sponsor, and a featured article, and links to details on

copyright, funding, and such.

Editor Linh Dinh and Wikivietlit Fellow Hai-Dang Phan have thrown

themselves into substantiating the overseas Vietnamese literary-magazine

understanding they share of global Vietnamese literature, with more than

100 articles on predecessors in the colonial and war periods and

traditional verse as well as contemporary figures and institutions.

To get a sense of what they have done, simply use the "Random" key on

the left-hand navigation bar to flip through. You can also look through

their work via the list of articles, site statistics, categories. We

have arranged the functions in a manner as easy to understand for both

readers and contributors as the Wikipedia software will let us.

If you would like to expand on something you see, clarify details, or

contribute a related article, just register as a contributor at the top

of the page and have at it. Linh's is not the only way to think of

Vietnamese literature.

I've got my own world which I will be sharing, and I am recruiting

others to contribute theirs as Linh and Hai have done. Lily Chiu will

be contributing significantly over the next quarter, we hope stressing a

comparatist view.

If you have a coherent set of articles to add, and would like to work

with me formally, just drop a line. As our content expands I will also

be looking for librarians to improve intellectual access, which I would

like to coordinate somewhat. But anyone can just register and get to work.

Dan

Dan Duffy dduffy at email.unc.edu

Fri Mar 16 12:42:00 PDT 2007

Hi all,

I've been getting kind words about the wiki, and some extremely helpful

comments on revising particular articles.

I would like to encourage those who have a lot to say to register as

contributors to the wiki and revise articles on which they have expertise.

Linh and Hai have put their stamps on the wiki in hopes of encouraging

others to join them. Short of vandalism, feel free to revise

extensively. The original authors will notice and react, or not.

There will be articles where experts will disagree at length about the

facts - especially issues of translation - but those should be few

enough that we will have time to find some positive resolution.

I have not yet had time to write entries myself, except to revise what

Linh wrote about me. You can check the authorship of any article by

clicking its "history" tab.

Oh, I have neglected to acknowledge our Wikimaster, Philip Arthur Moore,

whom I recruited through this listserv. Thanks to Philip and vsg.

Dan

Eric Henry henryhme at bellsouth.net

Sun Mar 18 04:30:55 PDT 2007

Dan - - I've been trying to create an entry for Pham Duy in

Wikivietlit, but the system won't let me log on; it just keeps

leading me around and around in circles. (says such things as:

"error: password incorrect"; or error: user name already in use,"

etc. etc.). Pasted in below is the article I wanted to create under

the entry "Pham Duy." -- Eric

Ph?m Duy: Real name Ph?m Duy C?n, Vietnam’s most prolific

song-writer and lyricist. Born on October 5, 1921 in Hа N?i, by

Sword Lake, he was the youngest son of the early 20th century

journalist, reformer, and fiction writer Ph?m Duy T?n. He wrote

his first song, “Cф Hбi Mo,” (“The Young Lass Picking

Apricots”) in 1942, while still an amateur singer and guitarist. He

got his professional start early in 1944 when he joined the “Gбnh

Р?c Huy Charlot Mi?u,” a c?i luong opera troupe. He toured

the length and breadth of the country for two years with this troupe,

entertaining audiences as a between-acts singer of “tвn nh?c”

or “new music,” while in the meantime gaining a familiarity with

the folk music of every region he passed through. In 1946 he joined

the Viet Minh resistance, first as a guerilla fighter and then as a

member of various arts units whose mission was to entertain and

inspire the soldiers. In this period he wrote patriotic songs, such

as “Xu?t Quвn” (“Bringing Out the Troops”), songs in folk

style, such as “Ru Con” (“Lullaby”), and songs of romantic

yearning, such as “Bкn C?u Biкn Gi?i” (“By the Border

Bridge”). These songs all achieved instant popularity. It was in

this period also that he met and married the singer and actress Thбi

H?ng (the sister of the song-writer Ph?m Рмnh Chuong and the

singer Thбi Thanh), with whom he had eight children, six of whom, Duy

Quang, Duy Minh, Duy Hщng, Duy Cu?ng, Thбi Hi?n, and Thбi

Th?o, became well-known musicians in their own right. With much

regret, he left the Vi?t Minh at the end of 1950 to escape

ideological control, and settled in Sаi Gтn early in 1951. Toward

the end of 1951, he and two other musicians, Tr?n Van Tr?ch, and

Lк Thuong, were arrested and confined to a cell in the Catinat

prison for 120 days. Some jealous musicians with connections to the

police had accused them of being Vi?t Minh sympa thizers. For the

next twenty-four years he dominated the muscial scene in the south.

He was instrumental in establishing the Thang Long singers, perhaps

the most professional of the many performance groups that appeared in

the south in this era. He excelled both in writing lyrics and in

setting poems written by others. He was active in film-making in the

50s and 60s; and in the 60s did much to promote public awareness of

indigenous folk music. In the late 1960s, he spearheaded the Du Ca

or “Troubadour” movement, the aim of which was to combat

commercialism in popular music by involving college students in the

creation and performance of songs. Over the course of his career, he

made hundreds of foreign songs available to Vietnamese audiences by

providing them with sets of Vietnamese lyrics. He escaped to U.S. in

1975, just before the fall of the south, and, after about two years

in Florida, settled in Midway City, California, next to Little

Saigon. An especially inventive and ambitious composer, he is the

author of about two dozen song-cycles on varied themes, each bound up

in some way with the culture, history, or fate of Vi?t Nam. Two of

the most well-known of these are Con Рu?ng Cai Quan or “The

Mandarin Road” and M? Vi?t Nam or “Mothers of Vietnam.”

Subsequent to 1975, he wrote several dozen songs reflecting the

refugee experience as well as song cycles based on the poems of Hoang

C?m (a close friend of his from his period with the Viet Minh),

Nguy?n Chн Thi?n, and Hаn M?c T?. In the late 1990s he began

writing Minh Ho? Ki?u or “Illustrations of Ki?u” using as

texts excerpts from Nguy?n Du’s celebrated poem. Throughout the

period from1975 to1999, he went on international tours as a lecturer,

singer, and guitarist to promote his song cycles. In 2000, at the age

of 79, he began making return trips to Vi?t Nam, where he was warmly

welcomed everywhere by private people and government figures, though

the Vietnamese socialist regime had banned the public performance of

his music ever since 1975. In May, 2005, he returned to Vietnam for

good, and the government began the process of lifting restrictions on

the performance of his music. He is the author of a four-volume set

of memoirs, a guitar method, and numerous articles and book-length

studies on musical topics, including (in English) Musics of Vietnam,

Southern Illinois University Press, 1975.

Eric Henry henryhme at bellsouth.net

Sun Mar 18 04:43:13 PDT 2007

Dear VSG-ers: Sorry, I meant to send my previous message to Dan Duffy

alone, but perhaps a few of you may find something of interest in the

article on Pham Duy that it contains. -- Eric Henry

Diane Fox (dnfox) dnfox at hamilton.edu

Sun Mar 18 09:31:53 PDT 2007

Dear Eric,

I for one am grateful for your mistake, which told me more than I knew about someone whose name I had frequently heard.

thanks,

Diane

Philip Arthur Moore <philip.arthur.moore@gmail.com>

date Mar 16, 2007 1:15 PM

subject [Vsg] A Note About Wikivietlit

As the techie behind Wikivietlit, I thought it might be a good idea to

send out a brief email to the VSG about some wiki particulars (my

apologies in advance if this is not the appropriate forum):

1) Wikivietlit is built on the open source software package MediaWiki.

What this means is that for those of you who have a high level of

familiarity with the mega-website Wikipedia, you should have no

problem transitioning over to Wikivietlit.

What this means for those of you who have a rudimentary level of

expertise with this type of software is that there is tons of

documentation around on how to edit pages and interact with the

community on websites like Wikivietlit. Your first stop should be at

the following URL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page

2) Anybody is free to register with Wikivietlit. Dan has mentioned a

few times that there are some controversial topics on the website.

For those of you who take issue with any of the materials presented on

the website, you need to first register and then click on the

"Discussion" tab on the article pages that you would like to discuss.

The Discussion area of each article is where you need to justify any

major changes that you have made to an article or refute any

information that you disagree with. For the casual visitor, it might

be a bit jarring to see an article completely altered on a second or

third visit to Wikivietlit. Each article possesses the capability to

lock itself down when changes get too frequent and/or wild, so the

discussion page is where major changes need to be suggested.

This will probably be the last time the VSG hears from me about

Wikivietlit, as I tend to shift towards the background of what's going

on. If there are any major issues that you face when trying to access

Wikivietlit, edit pages, or the like, feel free to email me

(philip.arthur.moore@gmail.com). I'll do my best to get away from the

full-time gig that puts food on the table and take care of your needs

with Wikivietlit.

Cheers,

Philip

Dan Duffy <dduffy@email.unc.edu>

date Mar 19, 2007 6:05 AM

subject [Vsg] a wikipedia problem

Hi all,

The Wikipedia administrators deleted an article about Wikivietlit one

half-hour after posting. Linh Dinh inquired, and was told that we were

deleted under the following policy:

"Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article

about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web

content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject."

It has been my job for a long time to listen to administrators explain

to me how unimportant Vietnamese literature is. Rarely do they spell it

out so plainly.

So I'll ask Michele as VSG/AAS president to write someone a letter about

how important Vientamese literature, as soon as I find someone to write

to. If you want to join in, please get in touch at editor@vietnamlit.org

Dan

"Ogburn, Robert W" <OgburnRW@state.gov>

date Mar 19, 2007 6:41 PM

subject RE: [Vsg] a wikipedia problem

If Pham Duy is unremarkable as a musician/poet/inspiration of a

generation, I can't even begin to describe what Justin Timberlake or

Brittney are like...

Robert o.

Dan Duffy <dduffy@email.unc.edu>

date Mar 21, 2007 4:33 AM

subject [Vsg] Wikivietlit/Wikipedia

Thanks, Joe, those are numbers I should have anyways.

The matter seems to be resolved. Now for instance I can write an

article about the Journal of Vietnamese Studies for Wikivietlit, and

then contribute one to Wikipedia on the same topic, citing Wikivietlit

as a well-known authority.

After all, Wikivietlit is in Wikipedia. All Vietnamese studies scholars

can follow the same process to bypass structural racism at Wikipedia.

I used to write reference books for a living, whence I acquired my

contempt for the citation of authority. George Gissing wrote an utterly

dispiriting novel, New Grub Street, about the life, which hasn't changed

since Victorian times.

Nicholas Slonimsky's classic introduction to his edition of the Grove

music dictionary describes the social process of citation in

excruciating detail. A Russian speaker, he coined the useful word

"nebulitsa" for the errors and mirages that creep in as we constantly

refer to print matter for truth.

Really, I thought we got over that with Vesalius' critique of Galen.

Anyways. Thanks for all the good words. This one seems to have worked out.

Dan

Dan Duffy dduffy at email.unc.edu

Tue Mar 20 08:39:31 PDT 2007

Hi all,

Thanks for the many offers of support and calm advice.

I've been in discussion with a Wikipedia administrator, and have arrived

at an understanding that what we need to keep an entry on Wikivietlit at

Wikipedia is "verifiable notability" of Wikivietlit.

You can review the discussion at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGriswold#Wikivietlit

With that in mind, Linh Dinh re-posted his original entry. It was soon

flagged for "speedy deletion" for lack of "assertion of importance."

So I expanded on the article with assertions of importance, especially a

summary of a favorable notice of Wikivietlit at the Tien Ve website.

The article, still marked for speedy deletion, is at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikivietlit

My defense of it is on the talk page, at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikivietlit

Anyone who can strengthen the entry, especially in a way that is

verifiable by another published document, or can chime in on the

discussion page in a calm and persuasive manner, is welcome.

But there is no need to pile on. These people have seen it all. They

want what they want.

I was delighted to learn in reading the Tien Ve notice that they propose

the VN for "wiki" as "khai to^/c"

Dan

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