前期23「イギリス文化論」（2021/ 7/ 1） 女性上司に関する記事
英大手保守系新聞の日刊テレグラフ紙（The Daily Telegraph: 日本で言えば讀賣新聞か産經新聞）の2009年8月13日(木)付の記事
「大抵の女性は男性上司のもとで働きたい」
Most women prefer working for men
The Daily Telegraph
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 8:46AM BST
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6020123/Most-women-prefer-working-for-men.html
Two thirds of women prefer working for male bosses because they are better managers and less prone to moods, a study has suggested.
Many female employees also like having a man in charge because they are ‘more authoritative’ and ‘more straight-talking’ than their female counterparts.
Women rated men ‘tougher’, ‘better at delegation’ and also more likely to regularly dish out praise.
And men were also hailed as being better decision-makers and having more grasp of the business overall than women do.
It also emerged four out of ten women who have female bosses believe they could do a better job than their immediate superior.
The survey results were revealed in the wake of Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman’s comment that men “cannot be left to run things on their own”.
On Wednesday, a spokesman for http://www.OnePoll.com, which carried out the research, said: “The results make interesting reading as there were pros and cons to both sexes.
“The research found while women are good at dealing with employees’ personal issues within the office environment most felt men were better at ‘steering the ship’.
“Men were also revealed to be better at having an overall vision of the direction the business was going to take over the long-term.
“But women were better at dealing with those slightly uncomfortable issues that pop up from time to time because they were felt to be better listeners than men.
“On the other hand many women felt they could do as good or even better than their female boss while only a handful said they could emulate their male manager.
“The results do paint a picture of men being a bit harder and more driven, but that isn’t always the kind of approach which is needed.
“So perhaps Harriet Harman was right when she said there should be a management team made up of men and women to balance things up.”
The study of 2,000 women in full or part-time employment asked whether they would prefer to have a man or woman as their immediate line manager.
Some 63 per cent expressed a male preference, while only 37 per cent opted for a woman.
The results also revealed one in six women who currently work under a woman is experiencing ‘underlying tension’ between themselves and their boss.
A host of reasons emerged for the male preference including a feeling female managers felt threatened by other women at work.
A failure to leave personal problems at home was also cited.
Other issues included a lack of flexibility over leaving early or starting late.
But despite the worries, female bosses did score highly on the more personal side of the manager/employee relationship.
They were revealed as being approachable, more trustworthy and more compassionate in a member of staff’s time of need.
The research also revealed 66 per cent of women are currently happy in their job amid the recession, while only one in 20 said they would be looking to change jobs in the near future.
アメリカのウェブサイト、フラザー・ドット・コム（fluther.com）の質問箱に掲載された「なぜ女性は他の女性と仕事をするのをあれほど頻繁に嫌がるのですか?」
https://www.fluther.com/16385/why-do-women-so-often-dislike-working-with-other-women/
Why do women so often dislike working with other women?
Asked by deepseas72 (1042 points ) June 22nd, 2008
Many of my female friends have mentioned that they don’t like working in offices staffed almost entirely by women, and that they don’t like working for a female boss. WHY? Is this common? I’m about to start a job at which I will be the only male working along side nine women. Do I have something to fear (yes, I’m smiling)?
119 Answers
As I was reading this question, I thought “He’s sexist”.
I love working with women. It gives me a chance to make me feel better than everyone else. (You know, men are superior)
HAHA just kidding…
heyu1021 (257points )“Great Answer” (3points )
women can be “catty” with each other. Not always, but often, especially in a group. Instead of supporting each other, they tear each other up. Maybe not face to face, but behind each other’s backs. I am female. This may not always be the case, but often is. I would rather work with guys.
mzgator (4114points )“Great Answer” (19points )
I can say as a woman working with a lot of other women, it can be annoying. It depends on the personalities a lot. The problem is usually there is a lot of drama and or someone being bitchy. It’s usually only one or two people and it sets off everyone else. I love having guys to work with because I am not a drama queen and guys usually don’t feed into that crap. Stay neutral and you won’t have any problems.
sawyer (84points )“Great Answer” (12points )
because it takes away their ability to get things by shaking their breasts and batting their eyelashes~
playthebanjo (2910points )“Great Answer” (12points )
I worked with all women and one man (he was loving it). One word…HORMONES!
thebeadholder (860points )“Great Answer” (2points )
I agree with mzgator, a friend of mine mentioned women being “catty” and it sometimes sucks when they get overly emo and bring their personal life into their work life.
My current job had 8 women go through it since I’ve been there in a 6 year span and I saw them come and go because they were drama. Currently all predominantly male now and it could not be any better.
ninjaxmarc (2130points )“Great Answer” (0points )
Women tend to be more judgemental of other women than men. Also, women gossip more and are more likely to be fake. Men are more straight forward and therefore easier to work with. IMO.
wildflower (11041points )“Great Answer” (3points )
Sorry, I am sure I will get ripped for this, but I don’t find the cheap jokes amusing. I also don’t find the 14% salary gap between men and women working in the same jobs funny.
I have worked with women, had women work for me and worked for women bosses. I have never seen women be any more “catty” or dramatic than men, who can also be that way on the job. I have had good women bosses and good men bosses, and bad bosses of either sex.
It is always disturbing to me to see women buy into men’s sexist stereotypes about women in the workplace. It is one of the things that contributes to the glass ceiling. I suspect a lot of it may be acceptance of certain assertive attributes in men, but not in women, who sometimes feel forced to act like men to get ahead in male-dominated professions.
Why are generalizations about women in the workplace, especially negative stereotypes, amusing wen if we made similar generalizations about men in the workplace saying they were all sexist cavemen for example, there would be an outcry?
marinelife (55377points )“Great Answer” (31points )
以下の回答略。
アメリカの大手メディアNBCが運営するウェブサイト、ディスカス・トゥデイ・ドット・コム（discuss.today.com）の質問箱に掲載された「女性上司は他の女性が昇進しようとするのを邪魔するのでしょうか?」
http://discuss.today.com/_news/2011/04/12/6456778-do-female-bosses-make-advancement-harder-for-other-women （リンク切れ）
Do female bosses make advancement harder for other women?
Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:31 AM
Some social theorists initially thought women would make better bosses than men because they could be more supportive leaders. But studies have shown some female bosses—called “Queen Bees”—make it more difficult for other female employees to advance.
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Yes 78%
No 13%
I'm not sure 9%
Total Votes: 4,465
42 previous comments
Mark-3268416 commented Apr 27, 2011
Yes.
Love how the female author of this article (about women) still manages to BLAME MEN.
LadyK-1836220 commented Apr 27, 2011
No.
I've had two female bosses and a female VP and they were all good to work with. I can work with either men or women equally well.
Anu’s Voice commented Jan 22, 2012
Yes.
I recently quit a company that is 95% all women. I could not stand the false saccharine smiles and the back stabbing the women indulged in.
BlahDeeBlahDeeBlahhh commented Feb 7, 2012
Yes.
Are you kidding? Women complicate everything. Not just work environments.
Nancy-1438618 commented Jul 28, 2012
Yes.
Take it from me, I have been working for 42 years. The first 32 years were exclusively male bosses, the last 10 years I have had 3 female.
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30 comments from 24 people
LWills commented Apr 12, 2011
Yes.
One major problem with female bosses is the male bosses who are THEIR managers are scared to death of them. These higher management male bosses see the poor management skills and just plain evil behavior of some female bosses but do nothing about it because they are afraid of these women.
MrsShrop commented Apr 12, 2011
Yes.
Female bosses, especially in the non-profit sector, have this power struggle that is almost Satanic-like and remember Satan wanted to be like God. They are deceitful, will not develop their employees, and are often unethical. I hated working for women in non-profit organizations because they were hateful, unprofessional (including cursing at others), and very unorganized. They procrastinate, do not work well under pressure, and never learn from their mistakes BUT will cry in a heartbeat to keep their jobs and when they realize they are being held responsible for their actions.
Special Sister commented Apr 12, 2011
No.
I agree with con-3300876. its not that cut & dry. Just like men some women are good managers and others aren't.
Bernadette Boas commented Apr 13, 2011
No.
This article misses the point..... women can't wait until the world becomes more open and accepting of them to become strong, nurturing and supportive leaders. Each woman, individually needs to work on shedding her insecurities, low self esteem, lack of confidence in her abilities, and sense of intimidation. It is those things that cause women (and men) to lash out in life and especially in business. I know...I did it for years, and it is why I penned my own story in my first book (but I will not self promote here. Google me and you will find it.
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Rosso-9 replied Apr 30, 2011
The biggest obstacle women need to overcome is the culture they have created themselves of beauty, glamour, sexuality and false empowerment based on image and ego.
If women can get over this and just be real, authentic and capable human beings they will find much greater acceptance and effectiveness in the workplace.
Trying to live up to the idealised image of the perfect glamorous woman who can do it all creates a huge pressure for women and a major distraction from simply doing a job well and effectively.
I have had some great female bosses, but they inevitably seem to fall into the trap of needing to be acknowledged as "Goddesses" or to have their femininity recognised in some form to boost their sense of self-worth.
I have yet to see a male boss who needs to have his masculinity or "Godliness" complimented or affirmed in the workplace as part of his self-identity security.
Trying to work with or for women who have bought into the "Goddess" mentality of modern women's culture and the ego that goes with it has no place in the work environment. It is hugely destructive and demoralising for both men and women who do not subscribe to that culture.
Women's magazines and TV shows go out of their way to create an "us and them" mentality between both women and men, and women who are considered "hot and beautiful" and those who are not.
atty-3009339 commented Apr 13, 2011
No.
As this article correctly points out, men and women are judged differently. For example, men are perceived as assertive while women are deemed bossy. A man who tells it like it is is considered direct, but a woman who does the same is called a b*****. There are terrible bosses of both genders. Organizations need leaders to inspire their teams to meet stated goals. Let's examine our biases and expectations because those can undermine a boss' ability to lead.
Lize commented Apr 13, 2011
Not sure.
If women co-opt the male process to career success, they can fall into the so-called "Queen Bee" category, metaphorically killing off the females in the hive to be surrounded by male drones. Invariably, unlike bee colonies, this eventually leads to the death of the Queen - - by her exit from the hive. The behavior is not tolerated long term, either by superiors or shareholders.
Regarding the article and the segment on the Today show, both were shallow and shed no further light on the subject. The Today show segment was particularly poor, and threw out just another sensationalistic term for people to use to grind the axe within the workforce.
Rather than dwelling on a syndrome which is a specific set of workplace behaviors identified in the 1970's, it would be more helpful to women to understand more effective methodologies and approaches to success. NBC, REWRITE!
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Vincent Denali replied Apr 13, 2011
Yes.
Lize wrote "If women co-opt the male process to career success, they can fall into the so-called "Queen Bee" "
No, that is not the male process. The entire article is about how women are unable to build hierarchies of loyal followers, male or female, and instead use harsh intimidation tactics with success that is limited compared to their male leader counterparts.
It is probably impossible for women to modify their fundamental behavior : the exploitation of males through the leveraging of femininity. Women are unwilling to give up this advantage in the workplace and process to dress themselves up every day with make-up, perfume, high heels and various costumes that are specifically chosen to draw attention. Do women believe that they are so ugly and smelly that they can't forego these costumes and compete equally with men by working instead of personal presentation?
Rosso-9 replied Apr 30, 2011
Yes.
It is far from "co-opting a male process". Women have their own heavily ingrained destructive traits.
You only have to look at the bitchiness of the fashion, beauty and other female-dominated industries to see how women play out their own form of violence. Trying to blame this on copying male behaviour is a deep form of denial designed to preserve the female image of beauty and glamour.
One of the saddest examples is seeing the bitchiness and competitiveness ingrained in the female-dominated childcare industry. I have heard from so many good childcare workers who have left this industry in distress because of it.
And this is the culture that so many of our children are exposed to as their first encounter with the outside world. It propagates itself in that children learn that this is normal behaviour, and then receive the message in the education system that women are good and men are bad.
There are strong attempts now to include in the formal early education process the feminist ideology that men as a gender are violent perpetrators and women are victims. Hence boys are labelled as flawed before they have even started life, and girls are given the message that they are empowered and can do whatever they like.
Nowhere do we see the destructive power of female psychological abuse and bitchiness being addressed, even though the violence of schoolgirl gangs towards each other is rapidly becoming one of our biggest social issues.
Bitchiness is a highly-destructive disease that rarely gets addressed and in many cases is actually glamorised as "sassy" by modern female culture. We will be paying a huge price for it over the next few generations as these girls get older and enter the workforce.
Denying it exists is like cutting out one half of a cancer and trying to pretend the other half doesn't exist.
Hot-in-Miami commented Apr 13, 2011
Yes.
They don't even have to be bosses, working with women in general is problematic, especially if you are younger than they are. The older women are catty and especially nasty to attractive women or women who are younger than they are. I get it all the time, and although I ignore it, the males in my workplace feel the need to stand up to these jealous women and defend me. I am sure it makes these women angrier that their plan to get all the attention backfires on them, but if they would just learn to work in peaceful harmony, they wouldn't even need to be singled out negatively by these male co-workers.
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Vincent Denali replied Apr 13, 2011
Yes.
Women in general treat 80% of men like crap, particularly if the men are younger. Female sexuality is elitist in nature while male sexuality is more egalitarian because men have at least some sexual attraction to nearly every woman.
Rod_Father replied Apr 14, 2011
Not sure.
not looking good for me, there was only 1 good looking woman at my place of employment and she left 2 weeks ago.
Vincent Denali replied Apr 14, 2011
Yes.
I don't think women should be judged for their attractiveness at work and treated any differently than a middle-aged man. Women do seem to have a very difficult time as their personal power erodes with every day they age, and they put a lot of effort in their dress and appearance to keep that advantage over men.
Rod_Father replied Apr 14, 2011
Yes.
I agree Vincent but I have the attitude with women that some are just too damn ugly to be a bitch.
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【参考リンク】
「女性上司」急増で職場崩壊？ 「ネチネチしてて嫌」「仕事が円滑に回らない」
J-CASTニュース 会社ウォッチ特集
2014年10月9日(木) 18:26
https://www.j-cast.com/kaisha/2014/10/09217710.html
https://www.j-cast.com/kaisha/2014/10/09217710.html?ly=cm
https://daily.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1413170357/
安倍政権が女性の積極登用を掲げている。「女性の管理職比率3割」を目標とし、企業に対して女性登用の目標を数値で定めるよう義務付ける方針、という報道も出ている。
そんな中、「女性の上司なんてヤダ！」というビジネスパーソンも少なくないようで、ツイッターなどには、男性だけでなく、女性からも「やりづらい」という声が上がっている。
「男に対する逆差別じゃないのか」
「週刊現代」2014年10月11日号に、「バカでもいいから、上司は男が良かった」という、かなり辛らつな見出しの記事が掲載された。
一流企業が安倍政権に追随して女性抜てきの人事を相次いで実行している、というのだが、「とにかく女性を引き上げる」という目標が先行するあまり、男性部 下からすると「大きな業績を残していないくせに...」「現場や営業の経験もないのに...」という風に見える女性が上司になっているケースがあるよう だ。仕事が円滑に回らない、女性同士で大モメになってしまうといった実害も出ているという。「男に対する逆差別じゃないのか」「女性なら出世できるという なら性転換でもしてやる」などと不満が噴出しているというのだ。
こうした不満は今に始まったことではない。2ちゃんねるの「リーマン板」には、09年から「【嫌？】女性上司を持つリーマン【気にならない？】」というスレッドが立てられている。
「女上司は自分の思い通りにならないことがあるとしつこいぞ。妥協を知らないし支配欲強過ぎるからろくなことしない」
「職場にしか居場所がないもんだから、部下たちのプライベート時間を潰したいようで無駄な休日出勤させたり、残業させたりしてくるからすげー腹立つ」
「IT部署なんだけどIT素人の女が上司になった。なんかチェックすべきところがズレているんだよな～」
など、女性上司に困り果てているビジネスパーソンの悲哀が痛いほど伝わってくる中身になっている。
コメント22件
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すのば 2014/10/ 9 22:50
文中の「女性上司」を「男性上司」に置き換えてもすべて当てはまるのに、なぜ女性全体にあてはまる女性特有の性質のような書き方をするのか疑問。要する に、支配欲と権力欲の強い個人が、今まで理由なく自分より下だと思っていた存在に指示されるのが面白くなくてやっかんでいるんだろう。印象として職場では 男の方が嫉妬深くて平気で同僚を裏切るから、幼稚な嫌がらせをしているだろうなと想像する。
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ぬ 2014/10/10 02:20
嫌な奴は男女の別無く居ると思うけど。女性の社会参加が進んでると言う体裁を取りたいが為に管理職の一定数に女性枠を設けるとか発想が如何にもお役所的だよね。
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同感 2014/10/10 03:15
先回りをするし、任せることができないから、人が成長しない。遊びがないし、技術系は、掻き回すだけ。言い出せば、きりがない。
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モンスター 2014/10/10 03:42
失敗することの、大切さを理解しない。致命的だ。
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アベノミクス敗退 2014/10/10 06:08
小保方女史同様。土俵に女はあげないことに納得。
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多様性も理解 2014/10/10 06:39
会社が役職につけている女性は、わりと地味で人当たりも悪い人も目につく。外国の人も日本で、働く時代。枠にとらわれない、相手を尊重する姿勢もてる人材を、会社も育てよう。
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それはそう 2014/10/10 09:44
理論的に話せないから
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別に 2014/10/10 10:42
男でも女でもいいよ、上司としての仕事してくれるなら。こうやって『「女上司はいやだ」という声が多数ある』っぽいことにして女性差別が根強いって言いたいだけだろ。ほんとありもしない差別をでっちあげる差別主義者は度し難いな。
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女性管理職 2014/10/10 11:20
悪いことじゃないが、管理職になっても性格(体質)変えずフランクにやって欲しい。仕事しない盆栽弄り同然の安泰オッサン管理職ばかりだから。
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ジャッカル 2014/10/10 21:56
女上司が理屈で物事を話せるかが重要だね。数合わせやコネが一番困る。
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男性でもダメな奴はいる 2014/10/10 22:22
昭和な会社だと「中程度の男性より仕事ができる」「誰が見ても男性より仕事ができる」女性でないと昇級できないなんていう変な前提があったりする。一応 「女性も頑張って」て言われるけど、根っこの考え方がああなので、どう頑張ればいいんだかわからなくなる。そういう意味では、下駄をはいているのは男性の ほう。どうしようもない人でない限り、そこそこやっていれば昇級できるわけだから。
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男でも女でも 2014/10/11 00:59
ダメな奴はダメ、人の上に立つべきじゃない人間は性別に関係なくいます。個人的には男にダメな上司が多かったのですが、女性の上司が少なかったので相対的 に見るとどっこいどっこいかもしれません。ただ、ダメな男の上司に共通してるのは「仕事はできないないくせにプライドだけは高い」ってことでしょうか。偉 そうに他人を批判し、ネットで拾った知識をひけらかすくせに、本人はPCひとつ満足に扱えないないなんてざらでしたね。口先だけで努力しないことに関して は、１００パーセント男が上でしたね。ちなみに私は男ですけど、彼らを反面教師に生きてます。
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どっちでも 2014/10/11 11:27
まあ、どっちでも良いよ。女性はダメと言う以前に男性のダメ上司もいるしね。ただ女性の場合好き嫌いがはっきりしてるようで、その度が越えている場合が 多々見受けられる。一度など同僚の女性社員から気に入らないと言う理由で、他の店舗へ飛ばされそうになったりしたんだよね。でも、それを救ってくれたのは 他の女性社員達だったのは皮肉だよね。男性社員は傍観してただけ。笑える。
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論外 2014/10/11 22:27
職場に事務のおばちゃんが一人しかいないのに、女性管理職と言われてもねぇ～。建設業は募集したって女性が入社しないのに女性管理職なんて夢のまた夢。
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H542 2014/10/12 00:29
性格の違いが性差にあると言う論理の裏付けが2chからの作為的なコメントのピックアップであり、血液型で性格が決まると主張するのと同様に滑稽。結論ありきではなく、論理を展開してくれないかなと思う。
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2014/10/12 00:30
女だらけの職場はギスギスしてるからイヤすぎる。フリーターだから社員様に指示聞いたりするけど、他部署のヒラの女社員が勝手に自分のことを自分の部下扱 いし出して困った。結局Outlookで他部署の依頼は受けられない。自分にも任された仕事の納期があるのでできませんと答えたら、分かりましたもうあな たには頼みませんって言われた。何が何だかさっぱり分からないぜ！
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結局無能 2014/10/12 00:51
無能な男上司の下で仕事をして来た無能な女が上司になっても無能の継続でしかない。せめて前任者を反面教師ぐらいしたほうがいい。
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んー 2014/10/12 14:22
>013
>男性社員は傍観してただけ。笑える。
単に貴方が男性社員に嫌われてただけでは？ ここにその様に書かれていることからも嫌われていたと推測できます。どうせ助けに入れば助け方が悪いといい、 助けなければ助けないでそうやって文句を言う。女性なんて助けるもんじゃありませんよ。学生バイトだって男性バイトは率直に注意して問題になるような奴は いないのに、女性は気を使って個々の性格に合わせて注意しないとへそを曲げる。つか正確に合わせて注意してやってもへそを曲げる。面倒臭えんだよ。本当に 笑えます。
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性差だけでなく 2014/10/12 21:47
外国人やアジア人も役員や管理職に必ず入れるべきでは？
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どっちでもいいが差別は嫌 2014/10/13 04:21
ちゃんと仕事ができれば。上司として尊敬する価値があるなら。男だってクソ野郎がいるんだから、女だからと一括りにするのは違うと思う。本人が望めばチャ ンスを与えるのが理想で、数値目標で当てはめると、ロクなことがない。会社の中は男女平等でも、家庭の中は平等じゃないでしょ？
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男が 2014/10/13 05:11
女性上司のセクハラとかパワハラとかに悩まされるときが来てるんだね。女同士の派閥争いとか、ネチっこい足の引っ張り合いとかは、今でもドラマのネタに なってるけれど。女性上司に認められたくて、仕事をがんばる俺。急遽、電話で休日出勤を指示されたところを嫁に聞かれ、、、ち、違うんだ・・・ほんとに仕 事なんだって・・・。ぎゃーーーーーーーー！ちゃんとした仕事でも勘違いは困る。家庭も円滑に回らないのも困る。
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昼寝猫 2014/10/13 16:25
むしろ無駄な男の嫉妬の方がタチ悪い。結局、性別より個人の性格の問題。性格悪い奴の方が出世願望は強い。
【参考記事】
女性リーダーが嫌われる理由 実験で明らかに
フォーブズ日本版（Forbes Japan）
キム・エルセッサー（Kim Elsesser, 生年非公開）記者署名記事
2020年12月15日(火)
https://forbesjapan.com/articles/detail/38726
https://forbesjapan.com/articles/detail/38726/2/1/1
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/fcea077acf14e5e2e74961456265065246b8d75a （リンク切れ）