Think before you speak. Don't let your words come back to bite you! Let your words be something that you have no problem with even if the entire world heard them!" - Jeremy Lopez
Deres Majestæt!
Your Holiness Pope Francis
Dear Mosaisk Troessamfund
Dear Muslimsk Trossamfund
Dear STATSMINISTER, Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen
Dear Secretary of Culture and Church Mette Bock
Dear pastor Jan Joensen and Eydna Joensen
Dear leaders in Kelstrup, Jan and Hanne Christiansen
Dear Bishops, deans and pastors
Dear President of USA Donald Trump
Dear Prime Minister of Great Britain Theresa May
Dear Bundeskanzlerin of Germany Angela Merkel
Dear Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu
Dear Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea Peter Charles Paire O'Neill
Dear Prime Minister of New Zealand John Key
Dear Prime Minister of Australia Hon Malcolm Turnbull
Hvad vi fortæller om her, finder sted i Apostolsk Kirkes bygning i Kolding, men præsterne Jesper Kure og Jacob Viftrup har blokeret for vores mails, så de ikke ser hvad vi skriver. De ønsker åbenbart ikke at vide, hvad der foregår i kirken i Danmark.
Daniela Skov skriver den 04-02-17.
Jeg er stadig rystet og chokeret og min veninde Lene er også så ked af det og skuffet!
Kære Jan og Eydna JOENSEN og ledere.
Pastor Jan Joensen:
"Hvor er der nogen,der har oplevet noget med Jesus i ugen. Det er alvorligt, når VI ikke har noget friskt, som vi har oplevet med Jesus! Nu skal vi tale om det overnaturligt. Det kaldes undere..." og så kalder du mennesker med smerter i kroppen frem til at de kan blive bedt for.
MEN INGEN AF JER,JAN JOENSEN, OG I ANDRE KÆRE LEDERE DELTE " ET PERSONLIGT VIDNESBYRD FRA DEN SENESTE UGE MED JESUS"
Som et minimum lad os i fællesskab være sammen fremad, at vi her bagefter holder Jan Joensen, prædikanten, regnskabsansvarlig om hans eget. Ikke være bange for at blande sig, når nogen er i gang med at skade potentielt rigtig mange.
Hvori består FORSØRGELSES indtægten fra DIT arbejdsliv Jan Joensen og DIT Eydna Joensen. Googler jer og HADERSLEV MIGRANT KIRKEN KAN OG DERMED VIL DE IKKE BETALE LØN TIL AT FORSØRGE EN PRÆST, STÅR DER.
ER KOLDING MIGRANT MENIGHED OG SKATTEFRADRAGS BERETTIGEDE GAVEBIDRAG ET MÅL????
Får I gavebidrag allerede fra kristne??
Lad os vælge til at vi griber ind tidligst muligt nu og støtte alle, som allerede kommer som en menigheds forsamling nu, i at måtte tale FRIT om alt det spin og rænkespil, som DESVÆRRE foregår.
FÅ SAT EN STOPPER FOR DET.
NOK ER NOK.
LIGESOM I PROKLAMERER I KELSTRUP HUS-MENIGHED
IGEN OG IGEN
AKTIVT VÆLGE AT FÅ STOPPET ENHVERT RELIGIØST, FALSKT TANKESÆT, DER BARE FASTHOLDER MENNESKER I ET YDRE REGELSÆT, SÅ VI BLIVER ENSRETTEDE.
TROSSYSTEMER,
HOLDNINGER OG OPFØRSEL
Men der var noget GALT MED OS, "HVIS VI IKKE......." docerer
du, pastor Jan Joensen, over hele forsamlingen.
Det var først dagen efter, det går op for mig, at du selv, pastor Jan Joensen ikke kom med noget "friskt".
Jeg, markerede, at jeg havde noget at sige, om det så kom ind under kriteriet, ved jeg ikke, men altså noget fra den her uge, og jeg sad jo så jeg tydeligt kunne se dig pastor Jan Joensen, så jeg forstod ikke der, at du ikke gav mig nogle minutters taletid.
Først som aftenen gik, gik det op for mig, hvor vred du var på mig. Og det skyldtes, at Lars Krøgholt og jeg på skrift havde bedt dig om ikke at tillade Bent Christiansen bede for nogen, når han kommer over, fordi han låser os alle ind i kirkens cafe.
Du var meget vred på mig på forhånd, det fik jeg at føle, som aftenen skred frem, hvor du, pastor Jan Joensen, truede mod mig til sidst, så ved at tvinge mig: DU VILLE SIGE ET underligt budskab til mig og ikke tog alvorligt, det, jeg havde brug for bøn omkring, "ER DET NOGET PERSONLIGT?
Jeg vil KUN BEDE FOR FOLK DER HAR NOGET PERSONLIGT FØRST!" Sagde du og gik.
Hvem giver dig tilladelse til at UDØVE KONTROL!
Ligeså til sidst sagde du ISKOLDT DA JEG SAD PÅ STOLEN: det der har jeg bedt for!" Jeg sagde, noget jeg ville spørge om bøn for;
Iskoldt svar så, at det har du bedt for, og jeg SKULLE:
"SE PÅ MIG! SE PÅ MIG!"
Du påtvang mig, at jeg skulle kikke dig ind i øjnene. Dine vrede øjne. Det var intimiderende og krænkende. Og ingen hørte det, tror jeg.
JEG SKULLE LYTTE TIL DIG OG MODTAGE EN "åndelig" BESKED, DU VILLE JEG SKULLE LYTTE TIL.
JEG GIK TIL FORBØN LIGE DER TILSIDST PÅ AFTENEN FOR NOGET......" SÅ SKULLE JEG SIDDE PÅ EN STOL,
MEN
1. DU NÆGTEDE AT BEDE
2. DU SÅ SÅ VRED OG HÅRD UD !
3. OG VILLE JEG SKULLE HØRE PÅ DIG " SE PÅ MIG!" SE PÅ MIG!"
4. jeg SKULLE ADLYDE DIG: "SE PÅ MIG" blev du ved at sige!
Jeg blev så chokeret og rystet og dårlig og fortvivlet og bange!
Jeg lod mig fange ind i det, at give dig, pastor Jan Joensen, LOV AT bede for mig. Det hele var så mærkeligt.
Alligevel SKJULER DU DIN SEKTERISKE DOMINERENDE LEDERSTIL ved at legitimere den. OG EN KVINDE SKÆLDER MIG UD OG LARS FÅR ET ONDSKABSFULDT "BUDSKAB" FRA DIG TIL AT OVERBRINGE MIG OM, AT JEG ØDELÆGGER STEMNINGEN !
EN SØD KVINDE! JEG TROEDE, HUN OG JEG BEGYNDTE AT BLIVE VENNER, DINARA, SENDER SMS TIL MIG NÆSTE DAG, AT HUN "BLOKERER MIG, INDTIL JEG OMVENDER MIG."
DU holdt mig tilbage da jeg sku bedes for: sæt dig der så henter jeg lige en kop kaffe (til mig selv)!
Og så talte du videre med flere folk lige foran mig. Jeg havde kørsel med Peter og jeg måtte SIGE TIL PETER AT "JEG ER KED AF,
"UNDSKYLD PETER ! AT TIDEN TRÆKKER
UD, FOR JAN JOENSEN LOVEDE AT BEDE FOR MIG!"
De MANGE NEGATIVE ting DU sagde OG gjorde mod mig den aften JAN JOENSEN, MÅ DU HAVE HOLDT SKJULT FOR ALLE DE ANDRE I CAFEEN,
SIDEN DINARA beder mig omvende mig,
!!!!og jeg alene KVINDE GIK HELE DEN LANGE VEJ HJEM I MØRKE OG TÅGE RIGTIG SENT OM AFTENEN. FOR DU GAV LARS ET BUDSKAB TIL MIG HAN FØLTE SIG FORPLIGTET PÅ AT GIVE TIL MIG, AT JEG ØDELAGDE STEMNINGEN PÅ MØDET! Så forkvaklet det bliver i sådan et miljø. Ingen må hjælpe hinanden, uden at det handler om at tage parti. Del og hersk.
SMS til min veninde LENE, som spørger om vi havde en god aften:
"Hejsa - vi er nødt til at snakke om det her- ikke skrive. Det var forfærdeligt i går. Jan Joensen og BENT - det mindede om en sekt og det var uhyggeligt deres opførsel. Jan forsøgte at køre mig ned psykisk da jeg gik til forbøn ved at TRUE MIG, SÅ JEG BLEV RIGTIG SKIDT TILPAS. Jeg skulle sidde på en stol og så SKULLE JEG LYTTE TIL NOGET HAN FANDT PÅ OG SOM JEG IKKE MÅTTE SIGE FRA OVER. Se på mig blev han ved. Jeg fik det dårligt og reagerede og så skældte én kvinde mig ud at der var børn tilstede og hende som jeg troede jeg var ved at blive venner med skrev i dag til mit chok:
"‼️Kære Daniela
Hvad er dit problem og hvorfor skriver du til mig?
Jeg blokerer dit tlf. indtil du har omvendt dig.
Med venlig hilsen
Dinara "
Knus Daniela "
Lenes svar til mig i aftes
: "så er vi lige kommet hjem fra fødselsdag. Jeg har nærlæst hvad du har skrevet. Øv øv hvor er jeg bare Så RIGTIG meget ked af at høre det. ØV hvad er det for noget, jeg havde sådan ærgret mig over ikke at kunne være med og glædet mig enorm til næste gang. Jeg skal arb de næste 4 dage, men ser om jeg ikke kan komme forbi dig en af dagene, jeg giver lyd først. Øv hvor er jeg skuffet, føler med dig."
Transperancy Gennemsigtighed.
YOUR DAILY PROPHETIC WORD 02-08-17
"
Think before you speak. Don't let your words come back to bite you! Let your words be something that you have no problem with even if the entire world heard them!" - Jeremy Lopez
DIT DAGLIGE PROFETISKE ORD den 08-02-17
"
Tænk før du taler. Lad ikke dine ord kommer tilbage for at bide dig! Lad dine ord være noget, du ikke har noget problem med, selv om hele verden hørte dem!" - Jeremy Lopez
Og jeg beder hende så om at bede for mig, for jeg har det så dårligt,
og jeg er så ked af at Lars var ond mod mig nu og lisom i BENTS greb igen, som han selv indrømmede han endda godt ku se, han var nu, og I svigtede JAN A,
da du JAN Joensen latterliggjorde ham, så han BAD DIG STOPPE OG HVORFOR DU SAGDE NÅR DET VAR HAM SÅ: " gør det kort!" Det "UFRIVILLIGE VIDNESBYRD " DU BER HAM OM "SKAL VÆRE KORT! "
Kontrol!!!!! Magt!!!
Det er din opførsel mod Jan A. Og selv GIK DU IGANG SÅ MED AT SNAKKE LØS OG SIGER AT "NU BEGYNDER JEG, JAN JOENSEN, NÆSTEN AT PRÆDIKE IGEN" "det er mig, jeg kan ikke lade være!" Men Jan skulle kontrolleres KORT
Hvorfor?????
Lene skriver tilslut
"
Jeg er så skuffet og ærgerlig. Uhhhh hvor er det synd for dig. Jeg beder og vi ses en af dage stort knus
"
Kære ledere,
JEG GRÆD OG RÅBTE UD OVER OS ALLE: VI SKAL VÆRE I LYSET.
Det hørte I alle! Og jeg græd og råbte, at jeg hele aftenen måtte bede til Gud i mit hjerte om at Han ville beskytte os. Og at Han måtte beskytte Jan A,
da du JAN Joensen OG BENT CHRISTIANSEN GIK I GANG MOD HAM! Jeg kender Jan A. tilbage til vist tidlige 2000 åringer i kirken og i deres hjem.
TAK GUD I Jan's vidnesbyrd viser Jan A. AT GUD BESVAREDE BØNNEN, FOR HAN SÅ ET BILLEDE, FORTALTE HAN OS ALLE, AF
"ET JERNTUNGT LÅG OVER NOGLE TING INDE I HAM FOR NU. "
Så der ku BENT ikke manipulere sig ind!
I må respektere orden nu. BENT låser op til bygningen,
MEN han hører til i Kirke I Byen og er kendt udenfor i KOLDING OGSÅ! Han er ikke en mand, der angrer og tager ansvar og det er svært for mennesker at sætte grænser for ham. Det er en ubehagelig situation at BRINGE nogen i, at du Jan Joensen lader BENT Christiansen bede for mennesker, OG DE KAN AF ALLE FORSTÅELIGE GRUNDE IKKE FÅ SIG SELV TIL AT SIGE NEJ TAK TIL HAM.
Læg dit liv ned for Jesus og VÆRN de svage! Vær den, DU kræver af alle os andre.!!!!!!!!!!!
Begynd FØRST I DIT EGET HUS. MED DIG SELV fremadrettet! Og alle ledere VÆR IKKE MEDLØBERE I MOBNING OG KONTROL OG AT BYGGE EN KIRKE OP MED ACCEPT AF MOBNING OG LØGN OG SPIND OG, AT DU JAN JOENSEN FORMANER ALLE UDEN, AT RETTE IND SELV PÅ DE PUNKTER. Ejheller viser omsorg og respekt for alle de andre.
Det er ikke USYNLIGT, ER DET ???
Kh Daniela Skov
I dag, den 6. februar. Det føles SYGT OG FORKVAKLET OG SÅ PÅ ENHVER MÅDE UBEHAGELIGT AT JEG IKKE KAN KONTAKTE DINARA OM MIT REJSEKORT ER TABT I DERES BIL FØRST PÅ AFTEN I TORSDAGS. HUN BLOKEREDE JO MIG, SKREV HUN, " hvis jeg ikke omvender mig!"
Jeg Lars Krøgholt må i dag kontakte Dinara om Danielas rejsekort er i hendes bil, og hun vil så svare tilbage til mig, fordi hun har blokeret Daniela. Det er da noget modbydeligt noget.
Transperancy Gennemsigtighed.
YOUR DAILY PROPHETIC WORD 02-08-17
"
Think before you speak. Don't let your words come back to bite you! Let your words be something that you have no problem with even if the entire world heard them!" - Jeremy Lopez
DIT DAGLIGE PROFETISKE ORD den 08-02-17
"
Tænk før du taler. Lad ikke dine ord kommer tilbage for at bide dig! Lad dine ord være noget, du ikke har noget problem med, selv om hele verden hørte dem!" - Jeremy Lopez
Danielas og Lars’ veninde var med os til et møde i en menighed i Kelstrup, hvor Jan Joensen kommer og prædiker (dog ikke denne aften). Hun kom op til forbøn. To kvinder ville bede for hende, og spurgte hende, om hun troede på Jesus. De mente, at det var nødvendigt, at hun omvendte sig til Jesus. Som hun fortalte hændelsen til os i dag, spurgte hun om hun havde noget valg. Det var ubehageligt at blive spurgt, for hun tror på Gud. Men hun fik at vide, der ikke var noget valg, fordi Jesus elsker dig. Den anden sagde dog, ”du har et valg”. Det var sikkert godt ment fra hende, som fortalte om Jesus, ud fra et ønske om at dele det bedste, hun kender, men det er ikke i orden at sige, at der ikke er noget valg i forhold til at blive omvendt. Hvad angår det at blive kristen, har vi altid et valg – vi er skabt med et frit valg. Gud ønsker, at vi skal gengælde hans kærlighed til os frivilligt. Kærlighed er frivillighed. Det er også anmassende at stille sådan et spørgsmål underforstået, at hun ikke tror på Gud. Det er jo jer, der er på hjemmebane. I forvejen var den måde at holde et kristent møde på helt anderledes, end vores veninde er vant til, så det var meget overvældende.
Vi må på det alvorligste advare mod det, der foregår i "kirke"regi med pastor Jan Joensen. Vi har advaret Jan Joensen mere end én gang om at hans måde at lave kirke på er uden respekt for andre mennesker. Han opretter migrantkirker og snakker om, at der vil komme en masse arabere på mødet (det var vistnok) 14 dages tid.
Det er så underligt at høre på, og at os, der kommer derhenne nu, skulle være klar til at gå ud og møde muslimer. Man kan ikke bare sige, at alle arabisktalende mennesker er arabere. Hvem alle de arabere er, som han skærer over én kam, er ikke til at finde ud af. Han er meget respektløst og det er heller ikke ok at gå for hans ambitioner, men det virker som om ingen af os kan sige noget ??? Al den religiøse retorik som dækker over, at han er ikke tilgængelig for nogen modsigelse.
Han prædiker på mødet den 3. februar i forsamlingen om, hvordan vores forhold til Jesus er. Ifølge ham er der noget galt med vores forhold til Jesus.
1. Hvis vi ikke har et friskt vidnesbyrd, en oplevelse fra den uge, der lige er gået NU, om en oplevelse med Jesus.
2. Vi citerer Jan Joensen: ”Jeg GIDER ikke høre om noget, der er sket for mange år siden. Jeg gider ikke høre noget fra 70’erne.”
3. Daniela gik op for at blive bedt for, da der blev åbnet op for at vi kunne komme op til forbøn. Det var Jan Joensen hun blev mødt af så, og han opførte sig rigtig ubehageligt, for han ville have ret til at udspørge hende, spørge ”Hvordan er dit forhold til Kristus? Er du villig til at gå ud, når Han siger, du skal?”
Daniela Skov fik så at vide, at han ikke ville bede for hende, hvis det ikke var om noget personligt. Daniela oplevede det meget ubehageligt og intimiderende, og hun sagde, at hun ikke havde noget problem i sin tro på Jesus, som hun stod til ansvar over for ham, pastor Jan Joensen for.
Nu her nogle dage efter oplevede vi, at det må være på den måde, han også gik til andre i forsamlingen, for at presse dem, når han kun ville bede for de der havde et " personligt " emne.
Presse os i forsamlingen til at gøre det, han ønsker om at blive klar til at komme ud og snakke med muslimer, OG OPFYLDE HANS AMBITIONER, og de skal komme hen i HANS migrantkirke.
Daniela Skov googler ham og der står han har plantet en migrantkirke i Haderslev. Men de oplever sig ikke i stand til at forsørge en præst økonomisk.
Derfor vil de ikke gøre det.
When I Daniela Skov Google him I read that he has planted a migrant Church fellowship in Haderslev, but they do not feel they are able to support a pastor FINANCIALLY. Therefore they will not do so.
Vi havde været med til møde dér en gang før, og haft en rigtig god aften med de andre som kom.
Men, hvor Bent Christiansen, tidligere forstander på Kolding Internationale Højskole igennem 25 år, blev opfordret af pastor Jan Joensen til at bede for folk i forsamlingen, selv om han – så vidt vi ved – kun kom for at låse op i bygningen. Det var ved det første møde fredag den 20. januar 2017. Mødet foregår i Kirke I Byens cafe i Kolding.
Vi har i mellemtiden advaret Jan Joensen om, at han (please) ikke skal lade tidligere højskoleforstander og tidligere pastor er han ligeså, Bent Christiansen, komme tæt på mennesker, fordi han manipulerer og kører rundt med alle / del og hersk.
Bent Christiansen har heller aldrig sagt undskyld for det, han har gjort mod rigtig mange. Det er utroligt, at han bare går hen og stiller sig foran mennesker, han har behandlet rigtig dårligt og gjort livet meget svært for i deres ægteskaber, familier mm. Han har influeret mennesker udi RIGTIG MANGE nationer gennem International Apostolic Bibel College / Kolding Internationale Højskole.
Han giver sig bare til at bede for dem her på de møder. Det er jo virkelig svært for noget menneske i sådan et hierarki, som leder KONTRA menighed FOREGÅR, at kunne sige FRA.
Vi oplever en aften nu her den 3. februar at pastor Jan Joensen ikke selv kom med et såkaldt ”friskt vidnesbyrd”, men fortalte en lang beretning om, hvordan det foregik i hans liv, hvor det at han var kommet på ret køl, kom ud i hele Færøerne, hvor alle kender hinanden. Vi forstår ikke, at han kan sige, at andre ikke må sige noget, der går mange år tilbage, når han selv gør det. Alle de " jeg GIDER IKKE!" OG " så er der er noget i vejen med jeres forhold til Jesus!" mod alle os andre er meget intimiderende og han har ikke ret til at nedgøre alle os andre så meget. Han har ikke ret til at docere sine negative værdier nedover os i forsamlingen, og fastholde alle mennesker indenfor hans firkantede HOLDNINGER. Han gentog flere gange bibeltemaet for at bygge op kirken var fra Johannes kapitel 14:6 " ...Vejen, sandheden og livet."
Det var svært i situationen under mødet, for Lars K og jeg Daniela S, at forstå hvad han lagde i de ord omkring det vers. Lige nu på skrift ser det klarere ud.
Det, med at understrege sin egne holdninger som SANDHED!???
”Jeg gider ikke høre noget, der er tilbage i 70erne”. Gentog pastor Jan Joensen flere gange sidst på mødet.
Men Bent Christiansen fortalte noget fra sit liv, der lå mindst 40 år tilbage, som oveni tog sit første afsæt i, at han var kommet til at tro på Gud, da han var 15 år. Pastor Jan Joensen tog flere gange udgangspunkt i ”min kære bror , Bents (Christiansens) vidnesbyrd."
Jan Joensen bad specifikt én i forsamlingen, Jan A. om at komme op og give et ufrivilligt vidnesbyrd. Jan Joensen kalder ham op og tilføjer at det skal være kort. Vi kunne høre, at Jan A. blev såret og sagde ”Hvorfor siger du det hver gang det er mig?”
Jan Joensen fortsætter så med at ville indlede for Jan A., som siger ”stop, lad mig selv sige min egen indledning, ellers kan jeg ikke.” Efter at Jan A. havde fået lov til at give et kort vidnesbyrd, begynder Jan Joensen igen at snakke løs, men stopper sig selv og siger entusiastisk: ”nu begynder jeg at prædike igen – sådan er jeg, jeg kan ikke lade være”.
Daniela Skov skriver til Eyda og Jan Joensen og til de ledere, som kommer i Kelstrup – Jan og Hanne Christiansen, Hanne Madsen og Marion og Martin Ancher og ligeså til mig, Lars Skov Krøgholt:
Hvad er det for en sekt Jan Joensen er ved at lave nu her, hvor han tillader at folk ER spillet ud mod hinanden nu? Vi skal advare nu ud til ALLE mod det og IKKE MANIPULERE MIGRANTER SÅVEL SOM FLYGTNINGE IND I SÅDAN SYG KULTUR.
Tankevækkende som GUD beskyttede dem, Lars og jeg havde inviteret med, som så blev forhindret i at komme. Min veninde, som var med hos jer i Kelstrup, vi var der for første gang hun og jeg, Daniela Skov. En vidunderlig aften.
Hun og hendes mand ku alligevel ikke deltage nu fredag d 3-2!
Men hun ville have gennemskuet Jan Joensen straks fredag aften, og Lars følte JO osse der var noget galt og helt anderledes der fredag ((den 3 februar)), end ved sidste fredagsmøde ((den 20 januar)).
Vort nære familiemedlem, som han er nu, har mellemøstlig baggrund. Hvordan ville det være for ham, at flygtninge og migranter bliver sat i bås under én identitet : arabere ???? Det er utroligt respektløst og virker arrogant, at overtage definition for, hvad er vi menneskers nationale identitet .
Han ville ikke kunne acceptere, at I svigtede mig sådan den aften, og jeg måtte gå fortvivlet hele vejen hjem i tåge og mørke. Og en kvinde kom og overfusede mig TILSLUT at: "at du er VRED!.sagde hun til mig. " Men du skal stoppe! For der er børn her!" Skældte hun ud og gentog og Jan Joensen kom ilende ud og hen til mig i gangen ved garderoben på en meget aggressiv måde.
MEN JEG VAR FORTVIVLET OG RYSTET OG CHOKERET. Én kvinde var kommet forinden DE 2 MEGET VREDE KOM, OG HUN STOD HOS MIG OG SPØR 'OM HUN KU HJÆLPE MIG! DET VAR IKKE EEN AF JER LEDERE ELLER LARS!
Og så kom hende den VREDE OG BESKYLDTE MIG FOR AT VÆRE VRED OG AT DET GIK UD OVER BØRNENE!
Men skal børn VÆRE I SÅDAN EN SLAGS MANIPULERENDE MILJØ OG PÅVIRKET MED DEN SLAGS "KRISTENDOM" FREMADRETTET?
Ja og vi inviterer andre menneskers BØRN. ALLE ER GUDS BØRN !!!!!!!!!!!!! SOM VI ALLE ER !!!!!
Er det ok at lade børn deltage i sådan noget?
Kh. Daniela Skov
Lars Krøgholt.
What we tell about here happens in Apostolic Church in Kolding, but the pastors Jesper Kure and Jacob Viftrup have blocked for our mails, so they do not see what we write. They seemingly do not want to know what happens in the church in Denmark.
Daniela Skov is writing February 4-2017.
I am still so shaken and in distress and my friend Lene is very sad and disappointed.
Dear Jan and Eydna Joensen and Leaders.
Pastor Jan Joensen: "
Where are those who have had an experience with Jesus during the week. It is serious, when we do not have something fresh we have experienced with Jesus. Now we shall talk about the supernatural. It is called wonders.." and then you ask people who are suffering various pain to come forward for prayer.
BUT NONE OF YOU, JAN JOENSEN, AND ALL OF YOU DEAR LEADERS SHARED " A PERSONAL TESTIMONY FROM THIS RECENT WEEK WITH JESUS!"
As a minimum let us join together onwardly such as make Jan Joensen, the preacher, accountable to his own teaching and behaviour. Not be afraid meddling, when someone is causing harm to potentially many many people.
In what way do you MAKE A LIVING AND FROM WHICH JOB POSITION, DO YOU PROVIÐE FOR YOUR HOUSEHOLD, PASTOR JAN JOENSEN? And YOU EYDNA JOENSEN?
Google you, I read that the CONGREGATION in Haderslev (city) migrant Church CANNOT and THEREFORE WILL NOT PAY A SALARY TO PROVIÐE FOR A PASTOR.
IS KOLDING POTENTIAL MIGRANT CHURCH AND A TAX DEDUCTED GIFT COBTRIBUTION A GOAL OF YOURSA priority
Do you already receive financial GIFT CONTRIBUTIONS
Let us choose actively to intervene now from the early start and assist everyone attending here already as a congregational group TO BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FREELY about all the spin and machinations, which is going on already, sadly enough.
BRING IT TO AN END.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
JUST LIKE YOU PROCLAIM IN THE TOWN KELSTRUP HOUSE CHURCH,
OVER AND OVER
ACTIVELY CHOOSE TO PUT AN END TO ANY RELIGIOUS FAKE MINDSET, WHICH TIES US DOWN KEEPING US INTO STRICT RULES AN REGIMENTATION.
BELIEF SYSTEMS
ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIOUR.
IN OURSELVES.
IN THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE.
‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼‼
But there was something "wrong with us if we...." you, pastor Jan Joensen, held forth about on the entire congregation here. It was not until the next day, it dawns on me that you yourself, reverend Jan Joensen did not bring anything "fresh"
I marked that I had something to share, whether it matched the criteria or not, I don't know, but actually something in my week and I sat where I saw you clearly up front, so I did not understand, why you did not give me a few minutes time to share.
Not until the evening progressed I found out how angry you were with me. And the reason why was that Lars Krøgholt and I had written you asking you, please do not let Bent Christiansen pray for anyone, if he attends again because he has the key to open the Church cafe to us all.
You were very angry with me beforehand, I was forced to know that as the meeting progressed, where you, pastor Jan Joensen, threatening me at the end, forcing me: I HAD TO LISTEN TO A weird message you had to me, and you did not respect my prayer request ; according to you: " Is it something personal? I will pray only for those who have something personal now as a start." you said and left.
Who has given you permission to EXERCISE CONTROL!
Same at last when you spoke to me in an ICE-cold tone of voice, as I sat there in chair:" I HAVE ALREADY PRAYED FOR THAT!" and you told me strictly: " LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" so you forced me to look you straight into your eyes. Your angry eyes. It was intimidating and offending. And no one heard it, I believe.
I HAD TO LISTEN TO YOU AND RECEIVE A spiritual MESSAGE, THAT YOU wanted me to hear.
I came forward for intercession late at the meeting for something that mattered to me.....and was asked to take a seat
BUT
1.
You refused to pray.
2.
You looked very angry and tough.
3.
You had a message I had to hear, but I did not understand a word of it. It was bizarre. Except the end message that you do not accept that I come and talk bad about Bent Christiansen.
4.
I HAD TO OBEY: LOOK AT ME" were said more than once.
I was so shocked and shaken, miserable, desperate, and frightened!
I let myself get caught into what happened in that meeting, reverend Jan Joensen, and allowed you to pray for me. It was all very strange.
Anyway you are trying to cover up your sectarian controlling by legitimizing it. A woman, I do not know, tells me off harshly and you give Lars a mean " message " to bring to me that I am destroying the good atmosphere!
A sweet woman, Dinara, we talked at the first meeting and I actually thought we were about to become friends, she texted me next morning what am I on about ? She "will block me now until I repent!"
You held me back when I asked for prayer: " Sit down there while I get myself a cup of coffee !"
And then you went ahead talking with several people right in front of me. I had been promised that a man, Peter, would drive me home and I was in an akward position now and I felt bad to delay Peter:
" I am sorry Peter, this takes longer than expected, and Jan Joensen promised to pray for me!"
All the negative things you said to me and you must have kept it a secret to the others in the café, since Dinara texted me like she did.
And I a woman, had to walk all the way home in the foggy and dark late night. You gave Lars a mean message to me, he did not come to help me, but let me know from you later on the Phone that I ruined the atmosphere. He did not care about me either back then.
It is so twisted to be in such environment.
No one really serve and help each other without taking sides. Divide and conquer.
I texted to my close friend, Lene, who texted me whether we had a good meeting?
"Hello - we have to talk about it and not only write. It was terrible. Jan Joensen and Bent! It reminds me of a sect the way they acted. Jan Joensen deliberately tried to bring me down mentally when I went for intercession so I felt so sad and awful.
He asked me to sit on a chair and he forced me to listen to a terrible negative message I did not understand - forced me saying: "Look at me! " I felt so down and ‼trapped and I reacted and then a woman told me off:" there are children present!" and the woman that I thought we were becoming friends texted me today to my shock:
Dear Daniela
"What is your problem and why do you write me? I am blocking your Phone until you have repented.
Kind Regards
Dinara
" Love
Daniela "
Lene's answer to me this night
" (02-03-17)we just got home now from a birthday. I have read what you have written thoroughly. Oh no. How I feel SO VERY sad to hear this. OH NO what is this. I had been sad so much I could not to be there and been looking forward enormously to next time. I have to work the next 4 days, but I will try to come to see you one of the days soon, I will let you know. Oh no, how disappointed I am, feel with you."
And I ask her please pray for me, since I am in such awful state, and I feel sad that Lars was so mean to me now and seem like let himself be in Bent C 's grip again like years back, which he even admitted to he saw it was like.
Then we all let Jan A down at the meeting when you Pastor Jan Joensen
ridiculed him, so he asked you "why do you always tell me, when I tell something, that I must keep it short?"
You asked Jan A to bring an "spontaneous " testimony -and you found yourself very funny asking him to "share spontanously!"
Controlling.
Abusive.
You got started again preaching, and then a bit later interrupting yourself with a laugh: " oh no I almost start a new sermon. That is me! I cannot help myself!" But Jan A was ordered to: " Keep it short!"
Why ??????
Lene text me again
" I am so disappointed and I feel bad!" Oooooh I feel so sad for you. I am praying and we 'll meet one of the next days, big hug.
Dear leaders,
I was crying crying all over us in the room: WE MUST BE IN LIGHT.
All of you heard it.
And I cried and cried, that I had prayed to God in my heart throughout the meeting that God would protect us. And that he had to protect Jan A
when you Jan Joensen AND BENT CHRISTIANSEN lined up against him. I cannot believe, Bent C, go to Jan A and start pray and speak into Jan A's life. After that I saw and heard how Bent Christiansen went straight to you pastor Jan Joensen almost where I stood, and I overhead how he began talking to you about:" this Jan A....."
I know Jan A. almost all the way back to when I moved to Kolding. Well at least early in 2000 yearlings in the church and in their home.
I THANK GOD In Jan A 's testimony it was clear that God heard and he was answering prayer protecting Jan A. He told us a picture he saw, even when Bent was praying how "there was an iron lid over some deeper things inside him for now. "
Then at least Bent could not manipulate himself into.
You must respect some order now. Bent has a key and a come for practical reason to open and lock to the cafe.
But he belongs to the Apostolic Kirke I Byen and is known outside Kolding also.
He is not a man who repents and take responsibility, and it is hard for people to put up boundaries to him. It's an uncomfortable situation to bring someone to you, Jan Joensen, and you allow BENT Christiansen to pray for people, and they cannot for all kind of reasons say no.
Lay down your life for Jesus and protect the frail ones.
Be the person you require of all of us. !!!!!!!!!!!
Start in your own house.
Begin WITH YOURSELF ongoing. And all leaders DO NOT give in to be BULLYING AND CONTROLLING,
AND TO BUILD A CHURCH
ACCEPTING BULLYING AND LIES
and patterns like here where you Pastor Jan Joensen preach and critizize people in the room and you do not take responsibility for your own behavior and words. And you do not show that you care for or respect others.
It is not invisible! Is it?
With love,
Daniela Skov.
It felt so sick and twisted and in every way uncomfortable that I cannot even CONTACT Dinara myself. I need to hear if I lost my travelleer Card in their car on my way to the weekend.
She blocked me: " if I do not repent!"
I, Lars Krøgholt today must contact Dinara if Daniela's travel card is in her car, and she would then answer back to me because she has blocked Daniela. This is such sickening.
Transperancy Gennemsigtighed.
YOUR DAILY PROPHETIC WORD 02-08-17
"Think before you speak. Don't let your words come back to bite you! Let your words be something that you have no problem with even if the entire world heard them!" - Jeremy Lopez
DIT DAGLIGE PROFETISKE ORD den 08-02-17
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Tænk før du taler. Lad ikke dine ord kommer tilbage for at bide dig! Lad dine ord være noget, du ikke har noget problem med, selv om hele verden hørte dem!" - Jeremy Lopez
It feels bizarre and warped as well as in every way not NOT CONTACT Dinara ABOUT MY Rejsekort IS LOST IN YOUR CAR BEFORE THE EVENING Thursday. SHE BLOKERED JO ME, SHE WROTE, "if I do not repent me!"
I Lars today must contact Dinara, about Daniela's travel card is in her car, and she must then answer back to me because she has blocked Daniela. This is because any foul matter.
Daniela’s and Lars’ friend joined us at a meeting in the house church in Kelstrup, where Jan Joensen often is preaching (though not this evening). She came up for intercession. Two women would pray for her, and asked her if she believed in Jesus. They meant that it was necessary that she repented to Jesus. As she told the incident to us today, she asked if she had a choice. It was unpleasant to be asked, for she believes in God. But she was told there was no choice, “because Jesus loves you”. The other woman said though “you have a choice”. It was obviously well-meant from the woman who told about Jesus, from a wish to share the best she knows, but it is not ok to say that there is no choice to repent to Jesus. As to becoming a Christian we always have a choice; vi are created with a free choice. God wishes that we shall return his love for us voluntarily. Love is voluntary. Besides, it is presumptuous to pose a question like that as if she does not believe in God. It was you who were on home ground. Additionally, the way to have a Christian meeting was very different that our friend is used to, so it was very overwhelming to her.
We have to the utmost seriously WARN against what's going on in the "Church" auspices with pastor Jan Joensen.
We have tried to warn pastor Jan Joensen more than once in writing lately about his way to create his Church with no respect for other people.
He is planting migrant churches and is talking about that a lot of Arabs is going to attend the next meetings in a fortnight.
It feels bizarre. Where do all the Arabs come from in Kolding???
Who are all those Arabs and we who attend this meeting now," should be ready to go out and evangelize to Muslims, that is his plans ! His ambitions.
But you can't just call all Arabic speaking people Arabs. He is very disrespectful and it is not ok to go for his ambitions, but it seems no one can give our opinions on that ??? All the spiritual rhetoric covering that he is not open to any contradictions.
At the meeting on February 3rd 2017 he is preaching to the fellowship about, how is our relationship with Jesus. According to him there are something wrong with our relationship with Jesus.
1. If we do not have some fresh testimony from this recent week to share now at the meeting, about an experience we have had with Jesus.
2. We quote Pastor Jan Joensens later that evening preaching again: " I do NOT CARE to listen if you say something, that happened many years ago. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM THE 1970'es ."
3. When he opened up for people to come forward for prayer from some in the group, I Daniela Skov came forward. Then I was approached by pastor Jan Joensen and he behaved in such AWFUL manner, since he insisted he had the right to question her about her "relationship with Christ." " Are you willing to go out when He is calling you to go?"
He refused to pray for her if it " was not something of personal matter" (???) . Daniela Skov found his behaviour to be so intimidating and awful, and she told him she had nothing in her relationship with Jesus , she was accountable to him, Reverend Jan Joensen for.
Now a few days later Lars Krøgholt and I think this has to be how he pressured others during the prayer session, if he only wanted to pray for people who came with something "personal " ???
Pressure us in this fellowship to get ready to meet with Muslims in Kolding and FULFILL HIS ambitions for Muslims to attend HIS latest migrant church .
We had already been at one meeting - and had a really good time with the others in this fellowship.
Except for Bent Christiansen, the former Director for 25 years at The International Apostolic Bible College, was asked to come forward to pray for people. Eventhough he ,as far as we know, only attended the meeting because he has a KEY to the building. That was Friday January 20! The meetings are held in the cafe in the Church In the City (Kirke I Byen) .An Apostolic Church.
Meanwhile we have written pastor Jan Joensen to warn him, please, not to allow the former school leader as well as he is a former Pastor, Bent Christiansen, be of influence to people through prayer, since his style is to manipulate , play people as well as create an environment of Divide and Conquer
He is not a man who comes to people to ask forgiveness for all the pain and division he is inflicting to our marriages, families and all. He does not feel he does anything wrong. He even influenced lives throughout Nations through the International Apostolic Bible College.
He just goes to individuals and start praying for them.
It is extremely difficult for anyone in this HIERACHY as in leader CONTRAINDICATED ordinary person in the congregation to say NO to him.
We now experienced an evening this February 3 with Pastor Jan Joensen did not share a so called " fresh testimony" , but instead told us all a long story about what happened in his life, how he got himself together and the news spread throughout the Faroese Islands , where everybody know each other.
What we do not understand here is how he can emphasize that no one are to say something that dates back many years. All his " I DO NOT CARE LISTENING TO...!" And " then there is something wrong with our relationship with Jesus," is very intimidating behaviour and he has no right to demean all of us so bad.
He does not have the right to dispense his personal negative values on all of us as THE only TRUTH and detain all of us inside his rigid BELIEFSYSTEM.
Several times he repeated his biblical theme for building this Church was Gospel Of John 14:6 " The way ,the truth and the life!" Under the immediate circumstances it was difficult to Lars Krøgholt and I , Daniela Skov , to understand what he meant. As a matter of fact now in writing it seems clearer.
The way of emphasizing his own opinion as THE truth???????!
" I DO NOT CARE TO HEAR ANYONE TELL SOMETHING THAT DATES BACK TO THE 1970'ies," Pastor Jan Joensen repeated several times at the late part of the meaning.
Strangely enough Bent Christiansen had the FREEDOM to share his story that had to be at least 40 years back and furthermore took its start when he was 15 years-old. He then became a believer. Pastor Jan Joensen several times referred to this " my dear brother Bent's testimony."
Pastor Jan Joensen asked a man, Jan A to come forward and bring a non- voluntary testimony. The reverend Jan Joensen while asking him to come forward adds :" But keep it short!" We could hear how this hurt Jan A since he asked:" why do you always say this when it is me?"
Pastor Jan Joensen continues to speak and initiate Jan A 's testimony , he says "STOP , let me begin with my own words, otherwise I cannot!" After Jan A was allowed to bring a short message , reverend Jan Joensen again starts to talking and talking! Then he interrupts himself saying enthusiastically : " now I almost started preaching again. This is me- I can't help it!"
Daniela Skov is writing Eyda and Jan Joensen and to the leaders, who attend the group in Kelstrup : Hanne and Jan Christiansen, Hanne Madsen, Marion and Martin Ancher as well as I, Lars Krøgholt :
What kind of sect is this Jan Joensen is creating here now, where he is allowing people to be put against each other now. We must bring a warning now to everyone against this not to manipulate migrants as well as refugees to join such sick culture.
Thought- provoking as GOD protected the people, Lars and I had invited, who had to cancel last minute. Our close friend who attended the meeting in Kelstrup with me, Daniela Skov, we were there for the first time. A wonderful evening. She and her husband could not come this Friday Febr. 3
I know she would have seen through Pastor Jan Joensen too that something is not at all ok . Lars Krøgholt also felt the entire atmosphere was so not good and the same as the first meeting on January 20-17.
Our close family member , as he is now, he has a background in the Middle East ; I cannot begin to think how it would feel to be him and put into a box, where all were given one and same identity: Arabs. It is a very disrespectful and it seems arrogant behaviour towards people to take over what is our nationality identity.
I also know he would not find it acceptable that you did not help me this evening. I had to walk all the way home alone in the fog and darkness very late as it was. At the end before we were to leave a women I do not know came and shouted her anger at me:" I know you are angry, she said to me, but you have to stop because there are children here!" She was very angry and repeated herself and pastor Jan Joensen hurried out to me in a very aggressive way in the wardrobe area in the hallway
But I was in despair and shaken. Just before those 2 a woman came to me and she stood with me and she asked if she could help me. I did not know her, but she was not one of you leaders or you Lars Krøgholt.
Then the angry women came and said I was angry and it was bad for the children.
But how can any of us accept children being manipulated and influenced to " Christianity!" Such manipulative environment .
Yes and we invite other peoples' children. All are GOD's children. As we ALL are.
Is it ok to bring children into this?
With Love.
Daniela Skov
Lars Krøgholt
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