10-11-2015

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

Parish Pastor Tom Friis wrote a debate letter in the newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad. This letter will be translated tomorrow and linked to here: https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/november/11-11-2015. We sent the mail below to Pastor Tom Friis and received this reply from him:

"You have misunderstood me if you believe I am in favour of the reinkarnations thought. The only thing I have said is that for around a half to one million of the Church's members it is obviously no problem reconciling the reinkarnations teachings with Christianity. And that, I think, theologians and pastors should take seriously and study the subject better. I don't see any reason to expel all these people who, after all, are seeking people who believe in God, that is what I call for an own goal. My finding was simply that Darwin's evolution teachings are completely Godless and ought to be a bigger problem for the Church than reinkarnations doctrine. When the reinkarnations doctrine has become so popular, we must acknowledge that we have not been good enough to preach and convey the resurrection and eternal life.

I am a bit in doubt if it is for me you pose a question in the subject line? If Jesus should go around out there and is reincarnated up to several times?

To this, I will answer, that those people who believe in Jesus and reincarnation at the same time, surely will say that Jesus as the son of God does not have to reincarnate more, he has overcome both the death and the rebirth."

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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>

Date: 2015-11-06 22:00 GMT+01:00

Subject: Hvis reinkarnation hører hjemme i kristendommen, er JESUS så ikke også reinkarneret og går omkring "derude" et sted i een eller anden form og har gennemgået måske op til flere gen- fødsler?

Deres Majestæt!

Kære Statsminister Lars Løkke Rasmussen

Kære Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder

Kære kirkeordfører Carl Holst

Kære kirkeordfører Christian Langballe

Kære Biskop Peter Fischer-Møller

Kære Sognepræst Annette Berg

Kære Biskopper, Provster og Præster i Danmark

Kære danske menighedsråd

Kære Dansk Oase

Kære Frikirkenet

Folkekirkepræsten Annette Berg har udtalt, at hun tror på reinkarnation.

Hendes menighedsråd bakker op om hende som præst, for hun taler ikke om sin tro på reinkarnation i kirken.

Når præsten uanset rang ikke tror på de Bekendelsesskrifter, de er forpligtet på som ansatte i Statens Kirke og den anerkendte version af kristendommen bliver det jo patroniserende adfærd over for menigheden og alle uden for kirken som potentielt er menigheden, at præsten må sige hvad hun virkelig mener og tror på på TV og i aviser, og så stikke en plade om søndagen i sin prædiken for ikke at miste sin troværdighed som ansat i statens kirke.

Fra artikel i Kristeligt Dagblad:

"Menighedsrådet har ”på intet tidspunkt sagt ja til, at vi bakker op om Annette Bergs holdning til reinkarnation. Den står Annette Berg selv for”, oplyser rådet.

Samtidig bakker menighedsrådet op om Annette Berg, eftersom der er forskel på, hvad hun siger i kirken, og hvad hun måtte have sagt i medierne, mener menighedsrådsformand Ann West.

”Annette er også et menneske, og hun kan have sine holdninger, som hun vil. Så længe hun ikke forkynder det i kirken eller på anden måde i sognets regi, må hun have sine meninger. Det går vi ikke ind og vurderer på. Vi har stor tillid til hende og synes, hun er dygtig.”

Mener I, at hun holder sig inden for folkekirkens bekendelser?

”Det gør hun i den sammenhæng, vi er inde over som menighedsråd. Vi ved godt, hvor vi har Annette i den kirkelige sammenhæng.”

Men menighedsrådets skelnen holder ikke, mener Bo Kristian Holm,

teologilektor og ph.d. ved Aarhus Universitet med speciale i dogmer og trosbekendelser:....."

”De gør det eneste, de kan, men det går bare ikke rigtigt i en moderne medievirkelighed. Man må regne med, at de, der går i kirke om søndagen, læser aviser og ser fjernsyn om mandagen, og der skal være en sammenhæng i, hvad præsten siger.”

​Artiklen i Kristeligt Dagblad er her:​

Menighedsråd tager afstand fra præstetro på reinkarnation

Så længe sognepræst Annette Berg ikke udtrykker sin tro på reinkarnation i kirken, er alt godt, mener hendes menighedsråd. Men den skelnen giver ingen mening, mener eksperter

www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk

Hvis reinkarnationen er en mulig forklaring på vort liv efter døden, så må JESUS jo osse være reinkarneret og så altså stadig gå omkring derude et sted i

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n eller anden form og i færd med at gennemleve mange genfødsler‼️

Er det så det mysterie som en del af biskopper,

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​provster og præster siger​,​

de respekterer??

Er JESUS ikke opstået fysisk og biologisk så er Gud død!‼️

SPØRGSMÅL til de præster som tilslutter sig reinkarnationslæren:

1. Er reinkarnation KUN noget der sker for dem, som tror på det?
2. ​De af os der tror på fysisk opstandelse, skal vi så smide vor tro og håb overbord nu og tilslutte os reinkarnations-læren?
3. ​Hvad kan vi forvente fra præstens mund når vi står med begravelse af en af vore kære?

Er det ikke et ENTEN - ELLER PRAKTISK ANLIGGENDE?

Vi dør alle! ‼️

Når en af vore kære dør, så stoler vi på at præsten kan tale trøst til os og vi er meget sårbare når vi skal snakke med en præst. Vi forventer at blive respekteret og ikke blive mødt med en løgn.

Hvis mennesker bliver reinkarneret må JESUS også blive det!- det må Han og dermed GUD være,

JESUS er Gud, eller??

HVORFOR SKAL I BISKOPPER, PROVSTER OG PRÆSTER

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DER HAR ANSVARET FOR ORDETS FORKYNDELSE

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GØRE ALT SÅ KOMPLICERET OG MILDEST TALT UFORSTÅELIGT FOR OS MENIGE MENNESKER ​

I en anden artikel i Kristeligt Dagblad, udtaler retsteolog Kristine Garde:

http://goo.gl/pSt1I5

”Her har vi at gøre med en sag, hvor en præst klokkeklart udtaler sig i modstrid med folkekirkens bekendelsesgrundlag. Kristendommens forestilling om opstandelse kan ikke forenes med reinkarnationstanken, hvor sjælen genfødes og tager bolig i en ny krop. I kristendommen hænger sjæl og legeme sammen - i hvilken form genopstandelsen nærmere finder sted, kan så diskuteres, men reinkarnation falder klart udenfor,” siger retsteolog og ph.d. med speciale i kirkeret Kristine Garde.

I Bibelen står enkelt og klart at JESUS er Guds søn‼️

GUDS enbårne søn, Johannes Evangeliet 3 vers 16:

Dansk (1917 / 1931)

Thi saaledes elskede Gud Verden, at han gav sin Søn den enbaarne, for at hver den, som tror paa ham, ikke skal fortabes, men have et evigt Liv.

Norsk (1930)

For så har Gud elsket verden at han gav sin Sønn, den enbårne, forat hver den som tror på ham, ikke skal fortapes, men ha evig liv;

Svenska (1917)

Ty så älskade Gud världen, att han utgav sin enfödde Son, på det att var och en som tror på honom skall icke förgås, utan hava evigt liv.

King James Bible

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

English Revised Version

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life."

https://www.bible.com/bible/20/jhn.3.16.bph

“For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.”

John 3:16 AMP

http://bible.com/8/jhn.3.16.amp

Sognepræst Annette Berg skriver bl.a. om sig selv på Vig Kirkes hjemmeside:

"Udover min uddannelse som teolog, har jeg fra 2004

en 2-årige grunduddannelse i sjælesorg og gestaltterapi

hos Bent Falk, psykoterapeut, MPF, cand.theol.

I 2011 og i 2012 har jeg fulgt diverse intensive kurser indenfor:

åndelig vejledning, auralæsning, og healing via bøn."

Mvh Lars Skov Krøgholt og Daniela Skov

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

If reincarnation belongs to the world religion Christianity is Jesus not reincarnated and still living some place out there going through one or several rebirths?

The Danish State Church pastor Annette Berg has stated that she believes in reincarnation.

Her Parish Council supports her as a pastor, because she does not speak about her belief in reincarnation in the Church.

When a pastor regardless of rank does not believe in the Confessional writings, they have chosen to be committed to as an employee in the State Church and the acclaimed version of Christianity it is very patronizing towards the Congregation and everyone outside the Church as a potential congregation, that the pastor may say what she really means and believes on TV and in newspapers, and then lie on Sunday in her sermon in order not to lose her credibility as a pastor in the state church.

Clippings from an article in the newspaper "Kristeligt Dagblad"

"The Parish Council" has at no time agreed to that we support Annette Berg's position on reincarnation. Annette Berg herself is the holder of her own beliefs”, the Council says.

At the same time the Parish Council supports Annette Berg, since there is a difference between what she says in the Church, and what she may have said in the media, Chair Ann West considers.

"Annette is also a human being, and she can have her own opinions the way she wants. As long as she doesn't preach it in Church, or in any other way in the parish, she is allowed to have her opinions. We do not assess on it. We have great confidence in her and we think she is good in her job. "

Do you believe that she remains within confessions of the State Church?

"What she is doing in this context, we are aware of as Parish Council. We know very well where we Annette stands in the ecclesiastical context. "

But the Parish Council’s distinction does not hold, consider Bo Kristian Holm,

Theology Professor and ph. d. at Aarhus University specializing in dogma and creed:..... "

"They are doing all they can, but it is not adequate in a modern media reality. One must take into account the fact that those who go to church on Sundays, are reading newspapers and watching television on Mondays, and there should be a context in what pastor says. "

Link to the article:

http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/menighedsraad-tager-afstand-fra-praestetro-paa-reinkarnation

If reincarnation is a possible explanation for our lives after death, then JESUS, of course, also be re-incarnated and so therefore still go around out there somewhere in one form or another!!

Is it the mystery, that we hear the bishops

and pastors say,

they are paying their respect to?

If JESUS did not rise physically biologically from the grave then God is dead! ‼ ️

Important questions to the bishops and pastors who join the doctrine of reinkarnation:

1. Does reincarnation only happen to those who believe in it?
2. The people who believe in our physical and biological resurrection from the grave, are we supposed to throw away our faith and hope and allign witrh the doctrine of reincarnation?
3. What can we expect to hear from a pastor’s mouth at the burial of one of our loved ones?

Is there not any either/or clarity we can expect any longer in the State Church? Either reincarnation or resurrection from the dead?

We all die!

When one of our loved ones die then we trust the pastor to speak comfort, and we are very vulnerable when we call for a pastor. We expect to be respected and not lied to.

If human beings are reincarnated then JESUS must be reincarnated as well!

So God is reincarnated!

JESUS is God, or?

WHY DO YOU BISHOPS AND PASTORS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TEACHING OF THE WORD OF GOD MAKE EVERYTHING SO COMPLICATED AND SAY THE LEAST INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO US THE ORDINARY PEOPLE?

In another article in "Kristeligt Dagblad" it says:

http://goo.gl/pSt1I5

"Here we have a case in which a pastor clearly without a doubt pronounce herself in contradiction with the State Church's confessional basis. Christianity's notion of resurrection cannot be reconciled with the reincarnations idea, where the soul is reborn and takes residence in a new body. In Christianity soul and body are two sides of the same concept - in what form the resurrection takes place, can be discussed in detail, but reincarnation clearly falls outside, " says judical theologist and ph. d. specializing in Canon law Kristine Garde."

In the Bible it is said simply and clearly that Jesus is God's son

GOD'S only begotten son, the Gospel of John 3 verse 16:

King James Bible

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Pastor Annette Berg among other things writes about herself on the home page of Vig Church where she is the Parish Pastor:

"In addition to my education as a theologist, I have from 2004

a 2 year long basic education in pastoral counseling and gestalt therapy

at Bent Falk, psycho therapeut in pastoral counseling and gestalt therapy

In 2011 and 2012 I have followed different intensive courses in matters of:

spiritual counseling, aura reading, and healing via prayer."

Yours sincerely Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt.

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Lars Skov Krøgholt

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Denmark

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