Fortsat ingen løsning / continually no solution
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Deres Majestæt!
Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder
Justitsminister Søren Pind
Borgmester i Struer Mads Jacobsen
Biskop i Viborg Henrik Stubkjær
Provst, Struer Provsti Carsten Hoffmann
Menighedsrådet i Hjerm Sogn
I 2012 bad vi biskop Karsten Nissen og provst Carsten Hoffmann, Struer provsti samt menighedsrådet i Hjerm, som hører til provstens tilsynsområde om at yde medarbejderpleje, -omsorg over for Hjerms nye sognepræst Jonas Serner Pedersen, da han kom fra en meget svær situation med 1½ års mobning fra lederskabet i Kolding Valgmenighed. Vi havde bedt Jonas Serner-Pedersen i april/maj 2012 om udmeldelseskvittering for at være sikker på at være udmeldt af Kolding Valgmenighed. Det var en samvittighedssag. Vi ønsker ikke at være medlem af en kirke, hvor lederskabet mobber deres præst. Desuden bad Daniela Jonas Serner-Pedersen som var hendes præst i Kolding, om en påkrævet anbefaling til Academy i Life Church i Bradford, England. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen var blevet fyret fra sin stilling i Kolding Valgmenighed ganske pludseligt, så han var i stor krise. Lederskabet havde beskyldt ham for ikke at være god til at udføre administrative opgaver. Han havde endda specifikt bedt Daniela komme og bede for ham en til to dage efter fyringen. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen giver os aldrig nogen tilbagemelding på de papirmæssige spørgsmål vi har, hverken ”ja”, ”nej” eller ”vil ikke”. I stedet bruger han Holstebro politi 19 sept. 2012 til at få et polititilhold på os, så han slipper for at vi kommer op og får ordnet de papirmæssige forhold, der kunne tage 15 minutter af hans tid. Struer politi er også involveret. Den første tid efter at vi fik polititilhold var vi meget chokerede, i krise og rystede og kunne slet ikke fatte, at det var vores tidligere præst, nu Sognepræst i Hjerm kirker Jonas Serner-Pedersen, der stod bag at politiet ringede til os, så vi kontaktede ham i et stykke tid efter. Daniela blev ringet op af Struer politi, og vi er blevet ringet op af Holstebro politi og Sydøstjyllands Politi. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen må jo have direkte kontaktet dem, når vi har skrevet til ham. Det der gjorde, at vi forstod alvoren var, at politiet i Holstebro eller Sydøstjylland eller måske Struer sagde: ”næste gang bliver det FÆNGSEL!”. Vi har aldrig været i polititilhør, men har fået tildelt bødestraf. Vi er blevet nægtet partshøring af Holstebro politi som det seneste. Statsadvokaten, Senioranklager i Viborg anmodede Holstebro politi om at kalde os ind til partshøring, men det er nægtet af politiet.
I foråret 2013 var vi kaldt ind i retten i Holstebro.
Citat fra ”Udskrift af dombogen. DOM afsagt den 20. juni 2013”:
”Påstande. Anklagemyndigheden har nedlagt påstand om bødestraf. De tiltalte har erkendt sig skyldige.
Sagens oplysninger.
Daniela Skov har forklaret, at det er rigtigt, at hun har afsendt sms-beskeder samt mailet til Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, ligesom hun også har indtalt forskellige beskeder på Serner-Pedersens telefonsvarer. Hun kan således godt erkende, at hun har overtrådt tilholdet af 12. november 2012, men hun forstår ikke baggrunden for det pågældende tilhold. Hun fik nærmest et chok, da tilholdet blev forkyndt for hende, og hun var efterfølgende i alvorlig krise. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen havde været næstformand i en forening kaldet ”Oasen” (”Dansk Oase”, vor anm.), som er en kirkelig organisation under Kolding Valgmenighed. Der opstod på et tidspunkt alvorlige problemer i ”Oasen”, hvor også tiltalte havde en søn, som var med i bevægelsen. På et tidspunkt blev Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen bortvist fra Kolding Valgmenighed. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen syntes, at kirken skulle beskyttes, og han ville derfor ikke være med til at afdække de ulovligheder, der var foregået i ”Oasen". Tiltalte og Lars Krøgholt rettede henvendelse til Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, fordi han skulle sende dem nogle papirer, men der skete ingenting. De manglede således nogle udmeldelsespapirer samt en kvittering for modtagelse af en udmeldelse. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen forholdt sig fuldstændig passiv, og dette er baggrunden for de gentagne henvendelser til ham fra de tiltaltes side.
Lars Krøgholt har forklaret, at han også kan erkende at have afsendt sms-beskeder, e-mails og foretaget opkald til Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, som nævnt i forhold 5 og 6. Han kan i det hele henholde sig til den forklaring, som er afgivet af Daniela Skov. Tiltalte skulle også bruge nogle papirer, herunder en kvittering og en referenceskrivelse fra Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen.”
En politibetjent i Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi i Holstebro ringede os op på Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersens vegne 19-09-2012. Han har holdt sin identitet skjult indtil nu, hvilket betyder at vi har mistet vores lovmæssige retssikkerhed i Danmark, og det er måske også derfor politiet har nægtet os partshøring på trods af Statsadvokatens besked til dem. En politibetjent vist nok en Jesper Andersen – vi har udskrift af forhøret - har været i forhør hos politiet, men de havde valgt at forhøre pågældende betjent om en forkerte dato.
Link til afgørelsen https://goo.gl/FVBjVh
I 2014 fandt vi selv ud af, nærmest ved et tilfælde, at Jonas Serner-Pedersen havde indmeldt os mod vor viden og vilje i to sognekirker her i Kolding. Han var som vores præst i besiddelse af vores udmeldelsespapirer med vores cpr-numre og hans håndskrevne underskrift. Vi har så været indmeldt i to sognekirker uretmæssigt og har betalt kirkeskat imod vor vilje og viden. Vi har som borgere i Danmark grundlovssikret religionsfrihed, så for os er det forfatningsstridigt, at vi blev tilmeldt statskirker mod vor vilje og bag om ryggen på os. Og præster, provster og biskopper er folkevalgte i det kirkelige demokrati. Vi har selv tidligere udmeldt os af den danske folkekirke efter grundige overvejelser og ladet os døbe i hhv. Pinsekirken i Esbjerg 1997 (Daniela Skov) og i Apostolsk Kirke Kolding, 2007 (Lars Skov Krøgholt). Retten i Holstebro undrede sig meget over at de ikke var blevet oplyst fra Jonas Serner-Pedersen omkring de papirer, vi havde forsøgt at tale med ham om tilbage fra april/maj 2012. Carsten Hofmann, Struer Provsti har været vidende om disse ting helt tilbage fra efteråret (omkring september) 2012.
Med venlig hilsen Dommen direkte, forhør link. Link til brev fra statsadvokaten
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
In 2012, we asked Bishop Karsten Nissen and Dean Carsten Hoffmann, Struer deanery and Parish Council in Hjerm, which belongs to the Dean’s regulatory area to provide employee care to the new vicar in the parish of Hjerm Jonas Serner P, since he came from a very difficult situation with 1 ½ years of bullying from the leadership in the church Kolding Valgmenighed. We had asked Jonas Serner-Pedersen in April/May 2012 about a receipt to be sure we were signed out of Kolding Valgmenighed. It was a matter of conscience. We do not want to be a member of a church where the leadership bully their pastor. In addition, Daniela Skov asked Jonas Serner-Pedersen who was her pastor in Kolding, about a required recommendation for the Academy of “Life Church” in Bradford, England. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen had been fired from his position in Kolding Valgmenighed quite suddenly, so he was in a great crisis. The leadership had accused him of not being good to perform administrative tasks. He even had specifically asked Daniela come and pray for him one to two days after the dismissal. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen never gave us any feedback on the issue of finishing papers for us, neither "Yes", "no" or "will not". Instead, he uses “Midt- og Vestjyllands politi” police 19 sept. 2012 to get a police restraining order on us, so he won't have to have us come up and get the papers done which could have taken 15 minutes of his time. Struer police are also involved.
The first time after we got summonses, we were very shocked, in crisis and shook and could not comprehend that it was our former pastor, now parish pastor in Hjerm churches Jonas Serner-Pedersen, who stood behind that the police called us, so we contacted in writing him for a while after. Daniela was called up by the police, Struer and we have been called up by Holstebro police and South East Jutland Police. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen may then have directly contacted them after we wrote to him. What made us understand the seriousness was that the police in Holstebro or Southeast Jutland or perhaps Struer said: "next time it will be in PRISON!". We have never been interrogated by the police, but we have been assigned a financial penalty. We have been denied an interrogation by Holstebro police as the latest. The public prosecutor, Senior Prosecutor in Viborg requested Holstebro police to call us in for the interrogation, but it was denied by the police.
In the spring of 2013, we were called into court in Holstebro.
Quote from "Transcript of dombogen. Judgment on 20. June 2013 ":
"Allegations. The prosecution contends financial penalty. The defendants have pleaded guilty.
Proceedings information.
Daniela Skov has explained that it is true that she has sent text messages as well as emailed to Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, just as she has also recorded various messages on Serner-Pedersen's answering machine. She may well recognize that she has violated the estrangement measures by 12. November 2012, but she does not understand the background for the restraining order. She got almost a shock when the estrangement measures was served on her, and she was subsequently in serious crisis. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen had been Vice-President of an association called "The Oasis" ("Danish Oasis", our note), which is an ecclesiastical organisation under the Kolding Valgmenighed. There was at one time serious problems in "the OASIS", where the accused had a son who was a member of the movement. At one point in time was Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen expelled from Kolding Valgmenighed. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen thought that the Church should be protected, and he would therefore not help to uncover the illegal activity that had taken place in "the OASIS". Defendants and Lars Krøgholt made contact to Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, because he was going to send them some papers, but nothing happened. Thus some notice they lacked papers as well as an acknowledgement of receipt of a resignation. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen remained totally passive, and this is the reason for the repeated request to him from the defendants ' side.
Lars Krøgholt explained that he also can admit having sent text messages, emails and made calls to Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, as mentioned in the conditions 5 and 6. He can, overall, refer to the explanation, as offered by Daniela Skov. Defendants should also use some papers, including a receipt and a reference letter from Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen,"
A police officer in Central and Western Jutland Police in Holstebro rang us up on Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen's behalf, 19-09-2012. He has kept his identity hidden until now, which means that we have lost our legal certainty in Denmark, and it is perhaps also, why police has denied us-party consultation in spite of State Attorney's message to them. A police officer Jesper Andersen was in interrogation with the police, but they had chosen to interrogate concerned the PC on a wrong date.
Link to decision https://goo.gl/FVBjVh
In 2014 we found out for ourselves, almost by chance, that Jonas Serner-Pedersen had joined us without our knowledge and will in two parish churches here in Kolding. He was as our pastor in possession of our notice papers with our social security numbers and his handwritten signature. We have then been joined in two parish churches improperly and has paid the church tax against our will and knowledge. We have as citizens in Denmark constitutional religious freedom, so for us it is unconstitutional, that we were enrolled in State churches against our will and behind the back of us. And pastors, deans and bishops are elected in the ecclesiastical democracy. We have even earlier announced us of the Danish people's Church after thorough considerations and let us baptize in respectively The Pentecostal Church in Esbjerg 1997 (Daniela Skov) and Apostolic Church in Kolding, 2007 (Lars Skov Krøgholt). The Court in Holstebro marvelled much that they had not been informed of Jonas Serner-Pedersen about the papers we had tried to talk to him about back from April/May 2012. Carsten Hofmann, Struer Deanery has been knowledgeable about these things all the way back from the fall (around september) 2012.
With best regards Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt