08-07-2016

Frihed til hvad? - Freedom to what?​​

Deres Majestæt!

Your Holiness Pope Francis

Dear Mosaisk Troessamfund

Dear Muslimsk Trossamfund

Dear Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmusssen

Dear Culture and Church Minister Bertel Haarder

Dear Minister of Justice Søren Pind

Dear Bishop Lise-Lotte Rebel, Helsingør

Dear Bishop Marianne Christiansen

Dear Dean Thomas Frank, Viborg

Dear Dean Steffen Ravn Jørgensen, Helsingør

Dear Pastor Michael Markussen

Dear Pastor Birgitte Molin

Dear Tværkulturel sognemedhjælper Elizabeth Padillo Olesen

Dear menighedsråd ved Simon Peters Kirke ved formand Marianne Jespersen

Dear Bishops, Deans and Pastors in Denmark

Dear President of USA Barack Obama

Dear President Candidate Hillary Clinton

Dear President Candidate Donald Trump

Dear Prime Minister of Great Britain David Cameron

Dear Bundeskanzlerin of Germany Angela Merkel

Dear Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu

Dear Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea Peter Charles Paire O'Neill

Dear Prime Minister of New Zealand John Key

Dear Prime Minister of Australia Hon Malcolm Turnbull

Sendt særskilt til Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder, Justitsminister Søren Pind, Biskop Liselotte Rebel og Biskop Marianne Christiansen

Kære Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder, Justitsminister Søren Pind, Biskop Lise-Lotte Rebel og Biskop Marianne Christiansen

Vi spørger dig respektfuldt, Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder om at udøve tilsyn. Vil du gøre noget ved det, at biskopper og præster tillader sig at krænke borgeres religionsfrihed ved meget krævende at udsætte borgere for bebrejdelser og makaber indblanding i borgeres holdninger til vor død og begravelse?

Dette er udelukkende med henblik på at flest muligt forbliver medlemmer af STATENS Kirke?

Har Biskopper, Provster og Præster, som JO BLOT ER ANSATTE i STATENS Kirke TILLADELSE OG RET TIL AT FORETAGE DE YDMYGELSER?

Da Landsretten slog fast, at STATEN har ret til at foretage same-sex vielser, var det en ret med baggrund i ejerforholdet i institutionen.

Ligeså har STATEN forpligtelser. Det må da være en selvfølge. Grundloven sikrer borgeres religionsfrihed. Så må biskopper og provster såvel som præster hundred procent RESPEKTERE ENHVER BORGERS UDMELDELSE.

Biskopper og provster som er demokratisk VALGTE OG ANSATTE I STATSKIRKENS REGI ER IKKE EJERE AF HVERKEN INSTITUTIONEN KIRKE ELLER DEN MENIGHED MED TILHØRENDE MENIGHED, der aflønner dem via KIRKESKATTEN i TJENESTEMANDSEMBEDET de er er sat til at forvalte. Tværtimod.

Ganske den anden vej rundt en holdning af tjenersind mod menigheden er den mest passende! De afgav løfte om at udøve tjeneste, da de blev indviet.

Hvordan forholder du Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder dig til det, at Biskop Henrik Stubkjær, Viborg Stift, intimiderer og ydmyger UNGE mennesker telefonisk angiveligt, når de prøver på at udmelde sig af Statskirken i det Stift, hvor han er ansat?

Domprovst Thomas Frank, Viborg

DOMPROVST VED VIBORG DOMSOGN THOMAS FRANK har tidligere udtrykt sit mishag med at borgere i Danmark bruger deres sikre ret og udmelder sig fra STATENS KIRKE i så store tal. Han mistænkeliggør Ateistisk Selskabs troværdighed. Han har ikke respekt for dem, så han forsøger at smæde dem på denne måde. Det er igen KIRKEN i en nøddeskal desværre at de vil være de magtfulde i besiddelse af territoriet, de har taget for givet gennem slægterne i århundreder.

Når Biskop Henrik Stubkjær iflg. sit eget udsagn er i røret direkte med unge mennesker, giver han dem det makabre budskab, at de statistisk set har stor risiko for tidlig og voldsom død i trafikken, såvel som at deres pårørende bliver udsat for endnu mere traume, når den unge har udmeldt sig af STATSkirken i Biskop Henrik Stubkjærs Stift.

For forældrene forventer angiveligt, at begravelsen forløber planmæssigt inde i kirkens rum og MED EN PRÆSTs tilstedeværen.

Biskop Marianne Christiansen, Haderslev

Vi har bedt dig Biskop Marianne Christiansen, Haderslev Stift om tilsyn

med indholdet og adfærd, der kommer til udtryk opråb fra Simon Peter Kirkes ansatte

præster, Michael Markussen, Birgitte Molin og Elizabeth Padillo Olesen og menighedsråd:

http://goo.gl/D7xoJm og https://goo.gl/QEPa0h

Dette opråb er en særdeles krænkende henvendelse, som også er at finde i kirkebladet fra Simon Peters Kirke. Det er pres for at folk ikke skal udmelde sig af kirken, ved hjælp af at kalde borgere i Kolding for uansvarlige samfundsborgere! Det bliver sagt med sætningen

"... Vil vi nyde, må vi så ikke hver især yde til fællesskabet? Er din lokale kirke ikke en del af dit lokale fællesskab, som ville blive fattigere uden dét liv, der udgår fra kirken? Hvordan skal fællesskabet omkring det lokale folkeliv bestå, hvis vi ikke sammen bærer med? "

Dette på trods af, at borgerne måtte være ansvarligt samfundsaktive i fx politiske lokale partiforeninger, sport, frivillige organisationer, genbrugsbutikker eller haveforeninger - har præster og menighedsråd ved Simon Peters kirke en indstilling til borgere i sognet, der slet ikke giver hverken mening eller fornuft. De ser borgere som nogen, der lader andre nyde og ikke selv vil yde.

Sådan bliver de hængt ud af præster og ansatte: - Nogen der lader de andre YDE og KUN SELV NYDER fordi pågældende borger FRAVÆLGER AKTIVT, at hans/hendes ENGAGEMENT I VORT OMGIVENDE SAMFUND foregår i kirkens øjeblikkelige tilbudsstrøm.

Noget tyder på at de ansatte ved Simon Peters KIRKEN mangler føling overhovedet med vort omgivende samfund og nægter sig selvransagelse i stedet for.

Det svarer jo i al sin fordrejethed og højst upassende adfærd til, om en bedemand skriver ud til en mængde borgere for at få sin forretning til at blomstre: "Sørg for at få en stående skriftlig aftale med NETOP MIT BEDEMANDSFIRMA, så dine arme pårørende ikke står med den byrde, når du dør!"

Biskop Lise-Lotte Rebel, Helsingør

Vi vil bede dig Biskop Lise-Lotte Rebel om et tilsyn med PROVST og provstiansatte i Helsingør Stift, som udviser disrespekt ved ikke at anerkende, at borgere udmelder sig af STATENS KIRKE.

I Helsingør Stift og Domprovsti har provstiet søgt at være i kontrol med situationen med udmeldelser, så også i dette Stifts og Provsti krænker ledende præster borgernes 100 procent grundlovssikrede religionsfrihed.

De problematiserer UDMELDELSER ved at skrive appellerende e-mails, der drejer sig om STATSKIRKE præsternes MAKABRE brug af at blande sig utidigt i BORGERES forhold til deres død og begravelser. Ligeså e-mails hvor til borgerne gerne skal bekræfte, deres udmeldelse. Jeg Daniela Skov må her tilføje at jeg lider gevaldigt under POLITI OG PRÆST FORDI SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN GIK TIL POLITIET OG FIK MIG NEDGJORT TIL AT VÆRE STALKER, FORDI JEG KONSEKVENT BAD HAM OM UDMELDELSESKVITTERING

så JEG kunne være sikker på, at HAN havde respekteret min henvendelse om udmeldelse af KOLDING VALGMENIGHED - KOVA- i 2012!

I Helsingør Stift er én henvendelse fra BORGERNE tilsyneladende IKKE TILSTRÆKKELIGT for at blive RESPEKTERET NÅR MAN UDMELDER SIG stod det til PROVSTIET.

Domprovst Steffen Ravn Jørgensen, Helsingør

"......25 begæringer om udmeldelse af folkekirken fra Ateistisk Selskabs hjemmeside. Til de personer har provstiet sendt en e-mail for at få bekræftet beslutningen. Omtrent halvdelen er vendt tilbage på denne e-mail, fortæller domprovst Steffen Ravn Jørgensen.

”Vi informerede i mailen om den bærende rolle, kristendommen har spillet i forhold til vores kultur og demokrati. Og vi informerede om, at man skylder sig selv og sine nærmeste at overveje, hvilke konsekvenser det kan have at melde sig ud. For eksempel i forhold til begravelser,” siger han og tilføjer, at fem har meldt sig ind i folkekirken via provstiet i samme periode."

Vi forventer at STATSKIRKEN IKKE BARE HAR RETTIGHEDER OG PRIVILEGIER, FX SOM BEKRÆFTET AF LANDSRETTEN FORNYLIG, AT STATEN HAR ENESTÅENDE RET TIL IKKE AT NÆGTE AT VIE TO PERSONER AF SAMME KØN. PRÆSTER, DER IKKE ER ENIGE I DET, STÅR DET FULDSTÆNDIGT FRIT FOR AT FINDE ANSÆTTELSE ANDETSTEDS - men også forpligtelser.

Således forventer vi, AT STATSKIRKEN HAR FORPLIGTELSE TIL AT RESPEKTERE ENHVER BORGERS GRUNDLOVSSIKREDE RET TIL FRIT AT VÆLGE SIN RELIGION OG KIRKETILKNYTNING.

Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

Dear Pastors from Simon Peter Church

Dear church council at Simon Peter's Church by Head of Church Council, Marianne Jespersen

Sent separately to the Minister Of Church in Government, Bertel Haarder, Minister Of Justice Søren Pind and Bishop Marianne Christiansen, Haderslev Dioceses.

We have asked of you respectfully Minister of Church, Bertel Haarder for supervision. Will you do something about the bishops and pastors allowing themselves to violate citizens in Denmark of our freedom of religion by demanding and subjecting citizens to blame and macabre interference in citizens' personal attitudes towards our death and burial

This is solely for as many as possible to remain members of STATE Church? Does Bishops, deans and Pastors who are EMPLOYEES in the STATE Church PERMISSION AS WELL AS THE RIGHT TO INFLUCTING SUCH humiliation?

As the High Court (not the HIGHEST COURT IN DENMARK)

​ ​stated that the STATE has the right to conduct same-sex marriages, it was a law on the basis of STATE ownership of the institutional Church.

Equally The STATE has obligations. This surely must be obvious. The Constitution guarantees to all citizens the freedom of religion. Then bishops and deans as well as vicars are obligated one hundred percent to OBSERVE ANY CITIZEN's RESIGNATION.

Bishops and deans who are democratically ELECTED as well as EMPLOYEES

in the STATE CHURCH

are neither OWNERS of the institutionalized Church nor of the congregation that remunerates them through the church tax in OFFICIAL TENURE they are set to serve through!

Quite the other way around an attitude of servanthood towards the congregation is most appropriate! They vowed to serve when inaugurated

How do you Minister of Church, Mr. Bertel Haarder plan to react to Bishop Stubkjær intimidation and humiliation of YOUNG people by phone, allegedly when they are trying to opt out from the state church in the diocese where he is employed?

Dean of VIBORG DEANERY PARISH THOMAS FRANK has previously expressed his displeasure with the Atheist Society of Denmark using their ability to aid people into withdrawal from the GOVERNMENT'S CHURCH in such large numbers. He brings the Atheistic Society's credibility into SUSPICIOUS doubt. He has no respect for them, so he tries to defame them Through this. It is the CHURCH in a nutshell, unfortunately they will be the most powerful in the possession of the territory they have taken for granted through generations in centuries.

When Bishop Stubkjær by his own admission is on the Phone directly with young people, he gives them the macabre message of their statistically high risk of premature and violent death in traffic, as well as he imposes GUILT on them by telling them a story of their relatives being exposed to even more trauma when the young have opt themselves out of STATE church in Bishop Henrik Stubkjær’s diocese. And their grieving parents expect to hold the funeral planned inside the church AND IN THE PRESENCE OF A PASTOR.

Vi urge you Bishop Marianne Christiansen, Haderslev to perform supervision with both the content and behavior, expressed from Simon Peter Church employees pastors, Michael Markussen, Birgitte Molin and Elizabeth Padillo Olesen and Church Council Ward. This call - at the Church HomePage

http://goo.gl/D7xoJm and in translation: https://goo.gl/QEPa0h

is a very offensive approach, which is also found in the church newsletter from Simon Peter's Church. It is pressuring people into not opt out from the church, by calling citizens in Kolding irresponsible citizens!

It is said with the statement:

"... If we wish to enjoy, should we not each contribute (financially) to the community? Is your local church not a part of your local community, which would become poorer without this kind of life emanating from the church? How should the community around in Its folklore exist if we do not each of us do our part?”

This statement despite the fact that citizens are responsible active members of their local community in local political party associations, sports, charities, volunteering in Second Hand Stores or garden and Flower organisations - the pastors and parish councils by Simon Peter's Church display an attitude toward their fellow citizens in the parish which does not carry any meaning or sense.

They see people as someone who lets others enjoy and do not want to pay and thereby contribute.

This is how pastors and employees display their fellow neighbour - Someone who let the others contribute financially and ONLY themselves ENJOY because citizen concerned deselect ACTIVELY his / her ENGAGEMENT IN OUR SURROUNDING SOCIETY to take place in the church's current flow of activities.

Something suggests that the staff at Simon Peter CHURCH is missing Its touch entirely with our surrounding community and fail healthy and honest nescessary self-examination.

It corresponds in such distorted manner and a highly inappropriate behaviour, to an undertaker who writes to a large quantity of citizens in order for his business to flourish: "Make sure to get a standing written agreement with JUST MY FUNERAL COMPANY, so your sad relatives are not faced with this particular burden, when you die! "

We urge you Bishop Lise-Lotte Rebel to perform supervision of dean and deanery staff in Elsinore diocese that exhibit disrespect by not recognizing citizens notice of withdrawal from The STATE CHURCH.

In Elsinore diocese the deanery has tried to be in control of the situation with resignations from STATE CHURCH, thus in this diocese the deanery too is violating the 100 percent CONSTITUTIONAL right of each citizen for freedom of religion.

They problematize resignation by writing appealing emails, using the STATE church vicars macabre use of interfering untimely into CITIZENS personal and private thoughts about their death and funerals.

Equally emails where the citizens are EXPECTED to confirm their resignation. I, Daniela Skov, must add to this, that I suffer tremendously due to POLICE AND CHURCH BECAUSE vicar JONAS Serner-PEDERSEN WENT TO THE POLICE AND HAD ME belittled TO BE A STALKER BECAUSE I CONSISTENTLY ASKED OF HIM A RESIGNATION NOTICE

In order for me to be sure that HE had respected my request for resignation from KOLDING congregation - KOVA- in 2012!

In Elsinore diocese apparently one intimation of NOTICE OF RESIGNATION FROM STATE CHURCH MEMBERSHIP from CITIZENS ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY to be RESPECTED WHEN HANDED IN to the DEANARY.

25 requests for withdrawal of the church from Atheistic Society's website. To these people the deanery has sent an email for them to confirm the decision. About half of them have returned this e-mail, says Dean Steffen Ravn Jørgensen.

"In this email we informed about the supporting role that Christianity has played in relation to our culture and democracy. And we informed that one owes to himself and his nearest to consider the impact it may have to opt out. For example, in relation to funerals"

​ ​he said, adding that five have joined the national church by deanery in the same period.

We expect the STATE CHURCH TO NOT ONLY HAVE RIGHTS AND PRIVILEDGES

for instance AS CONFIRMED BY HIGH COURT JUST RECENTLY THAT THE STATE HAS SOLE RIGHT NOT TO REFUSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGES. PASTORS DISAGREEING ARE FULLY FREE TO FIND EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE – but also obligations.

As well as privileges we expect the STATE CHURCH TO HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO RESPECT EVERY CITIZENS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT FREELY TO CHOOSE HER OR HIS RELIGION AND CHURCH AFFILIATION.

Kind Regards

Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt.

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Lars Skov Krøgholt

Knud Hansens Vej 12,2.tv.

6000 Kolding

Denmark

Tel: +45 5047 3645

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