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Fra: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Dato: 8. maj 2015 kl. 11.23
Emne: Klage til Statsadvokaten i Viborg over politiets afgørelse, j.nr. 4100-00170-000030-15
Til: sav@ankl.dk
Til Statsadvokaten i Viborg
Idet vi henholder os til Midt- og Vestjyllands Politis svar på vores klage over politiets dispositioner ved mail den 18. april
2015, nemlig ikke at tage os i forhør i forbindelse med at vi blev udsat for polititilhold fra Jonas Serner-Pedersen, journalnummer 4100-00170-00030-15, vil vi hermed klage over denne afgørelse.
Vi har med polititilholdet imod os oplevet, at politiet favoriserer en præst og undlader at tage os i forhør. Det er ikke til at leve med, at præst og biskop agerer præstestyre og sætter demokratiet ud af spil og står over loven. At vi almindelige borgere igen og igen har skullet bede om at komme i forhør, men er blevet det nægtet og blevet ignoreret. Vi har endog været kaldt i retten i Holstebro, hvor de blev virkelig bestyrtede over, at der ikke var noget i anklagen mod os om, at vi ganske enkelt havde bedt om papirer fra daværende Valgmenighedspræst i Kolding i 2012. Der var kun påstande fra Jonas Serner-Pedersen mod os, og en politibetjents løgn om, at Daniela Skov ”lider af ADHD og mange andre sygdomme”.
Daværende kirkeminister Manu Sareen skrev til Biskoppen i Viborg, Karsten Nissen, efteråret 2012, om at tage sig af sagen med Jonas Serner-Pedersen, der havde været hos politiet for at stoppe os med at kontakte ham (for papirer), men Biskop Karsten Nissen skrev så til os, at den sag hørte under Biskop Niels Henrik Ahrendt i Haderslev Stift, tilbage til dengang Jonas S.-P. var præst i Kolding Valgmenighed.
Jeg, Lars Skov Krøgholt, talte med Bess, Jonas’ mor, som sagde, at hun ikke troede Jonas kunne tale med Daniela Skov. Hun fortalte også, at Jonas havde sagt, at han kunne ikke tale med Daniela når han nu havde lavet det med polititilhold. Vi finder, at det er en meget mærkelig sætning, at han siger til sin mor, at ”når jeg nu har lavet det med politiet”.
Om sommeren 2012 var Daniela Skov absolut stresset, fordi Jonas S.-P. reagerede med tavshed, når hun bad Jonas om at tale med sig om reference til ophold i England og om en udmeldingskvittering fra Kolding Valgmenighed, og jeg Lars, flere gange bad Jonas om at tale med Daniela Skov om hans handlemåde over for hende personligt. Jeg Lars Skov Krøgholt kunne heller ikke holde til at blive mødt med tavshed.
Det var en absolut samvittighedssag for Daniela Skov at få den kvittering, for hun ville ikke være i en kirke og have sit navn blandet ind i en kirke, hvor hendes præst var blevet mobbet skjult i 1½ år af formand i lederskabet Erling Hybschmann og Bo Christensen samt tre andre i lederskabet. Det var så groft. Daniela Skovs læge Birgitte Holde sagde til hende, at det ikke havde noget med hende at gøre; det var Jonas Serner-Pedersens ukonstruktive måde at løse problemer på. Det gik også mig meget på at blive behandlet med tavshed. Det er utrolig dårligt lederskab, og uigennemsigtigt lederskab er virkelig stressfremkaldende. Det var fremme i medierne vedrørende virksomheder, allerede i 2008.
Den omtalte reference (anbefaling) skulle bl.a. bruges til at sikre vores frie bevægelighed inden for EU. På lederskabsakademi i Life Church i England forventes en reference fra ansøgerens præst såvel som andre tredjeparts-referencer. Jonas Serner-Pedersen havde for i 2011 eller -12 givet Daniela Skovs datter Natalie Skov Laugesen en anbefaling til Leadership Academy. Daværende Udenrigsminister Villy Søvndal og hans kolleger i tre andre EU-lande, bl.a. Finland foreslog i marts 2013, at nationer, der går mod EU’s værdier, bl.a. ytringsfriheden, skal skulle straffes.
Det er utrolig bizart og rent ”overkill” at Jonas Serner-Pedersen går til politiet den dag vi skriver til ham, at vi vil spare ham for at køre til Kolding, hvorfor vi vil tilbyde at skaffe bil og køre op til ham og snakke med ham om at ordne de papirer, han skylder os. Udmeldelsen fra Kolding Valgmenighed var en formular, som skulle indgives til den siddende præst. Jonas Serner-Pedersen tog dengang flere uger om at få sendt os udmeldelsesblanketten. Han havde også betroet Daniela Skov, at han var blevet fyret netop med baggrund i, at lederskabet ved Erling Hybschmann sagde, at han ”ikke duede til administrativt arbejde”, og at hans svaghed netop var administrativt arbejde. Han sendte Lars Skov Krøgholt en sms, hvor han skrev, at nu måtte han hellere få sendt de papirer til os. Vi indsendte derefter udmeldelse fra Kolding Valgmenighed for Kenneth Skov Olesen, Danielas søn, og for Daniela Skov og jeg L
ars Skov Krøgholt. Vi skrev bestemt ikke på udmeldelsen, at vi ville indmeldes i en anden kirke, for det er ikke vores ønske. Vi forventede, at vi ville rejse til England. Først i 2014 kom vi ved et tilfælde ud af, at vi er tilmeldt henholdsvis Kristkirken og Sct Nicolai i Kolding, begge folkekirker. Jonas Serner-Pedersens underskrift er på begge blanketter, og vi har været indmeldt i to folkekirker og betalt kirkeskat uden vores viden og accept i to år fra maj 2012. Vi ikke har den religion og dåb (teologi) som praktiseres i folkekirken, vi tror overhovedet ikke på den religion. Vi er begge døbt i frikirker (teologi: troens dåb) med troens dåb, og har aktivt udmeldt os af folkekirken, Daniela Skov i oktober 1997 og Lars Skov Krøgholt meldte mig ud af statskirken og blev døbt i Apostolsk Kirke i foråret 2007, begge efter grundige samvittighedsfulde overvejelser. Jeg Lars Skov Krøgholt oplevede det som indbrud og overgreb, at jeg på den måde fik misbrugt mit cpr-nummer af Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen, der sendte mit papir ind på folkeregisteret, og bevidst undlader at fortælle mig det i to år. Det giver os en forklaring på, hvorfor han har holdt os væk ved at gå til politiet og få tilhold på os, så vi ikke kunne komme i nærheden af ham. Det giver dog ingen mening, for han kunne jo bare tale med os. Det er almindeligt menneskeligt sammenspil at gøre sådan.
Da vi tilbød at komme op til ham 19 sept. 2012, hvor han i stedet går til politiet og beder dem ringe Daniela op, var det utrolig chokerende og traumatisering, og Daniela Skov fik PTSD over politimandens rå opførsel, som vi også tidligere har klaget over. Desuden det surrealistiske, at det virkelig er Jonas Serner-Pedersen, som stod der ved politiet. Han havde fremstillet Daniela Skov som en stalker, som han ikke kender – politimanden sagde ”du er ikke i hans menighed”. Det var fuldstændig chokerende. Betjenten sagde, at hun blev sigtet. Hun kunne slet ikke forstå noget af det. Jeg Lars Skov Krøgholt ringede da til politiet for at høre, hvorfor jeg ikke skulle sigtes, når Daniela blev det. Vi ved stadig ikke hvem den betjent er, som ringede Daniela Skov op den dag. Han holder sin identitet skjult selv efter at politi har været i forhør. Derved har vi mistet vores retssikkerhed i Danmark. Det har jurist ved Amnesty International Claus Juhl også bekræftet over for os. Kan politiet overhovedet true Daniela Skov med at hun er sigtet, uden at hun har været i forhør og forberedt. I2013 fik vi at vide af advokathjælp på Kolding Bibliotek, at Jonas skulle have givet os en mundtlig advarsel, at han ikke ville tale med os.
Vores sidste møde med Jonas Serner-Pedersen var 15. august 2012 ved vores veninde Marys begravelse. Jonas standsede til vores store overraskelse foran Daniela Skov da de bar kisten ud af kirken, og gav hende en lang omfavnelse. Det så alle i kirken. Jeg synes hele hans opførsel den dag ved begravelsen var så besynderlig, når han i måneder forinden ikke ville tale med os. Daniela var jo også i en mærkelig situation i kirken, som kom virkelig bag på hende, når han lige pludselig stoppede foran hende, han går som præst i en sort kjole, hvilket vi aldrig før har set ham i, samtidig med at de bærer Danielas veninde ud til graven. 19. september 2012 var det så traumatisk for Daniela Skov, at Jonas der så er i rollen som sognepræst, der ikke kender hende hos Midt- Og Vestjyllands Politi i Holstebro, og hun bliver fremstillet som en stalker.
Vi ville dog ikke komme bevæbnet op til ham. Men vi havde desuden skrevet til ham, at hvis han af en eller anden grund ikke turde tale med os, kunne han f.eks. tage sin biskop med til samtalen.
Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt.
Vi har den 6. maj sendt følgende ud:
https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/maj/06-05-2015
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English Translation
This is a complaint to the General Attorney over the mid and Western Jutland Police's response to our complaint over police operations by mail on 18. April 2015, namely not to take us in for interrogation in connection with that we were exposed to a police restraining order from Jonas Serner-Pedersen, journal number 4100-00170-00030-15. We hereby appeal against this decision.
With the police restraining order we have seen that the police favors a pastor and fails to take us in for interrogation. We cannot live with it that pastor and Bishop acting theocracy and puts democracy out of games and stands above the law. That we ordinary citizens again and again had to ask to get in for interrogation, but have been denied and ignored. We have even been called in court in Holstebro, where they were really alarmed that there no mention in the charge against us that we simply had asked for papers from erstwhile pastor in Kolding in 2012. There were only allegations from Jonas Serner-Pedersen against us, and a police constable’s lie that Daniela Skov "suffers from ADHD and many other diseases."
Former church minister Manu Sareen wrote to the Bishop of Viborg, Karsten Nissen, the autumn of 2012, to take care of the matter with Jonas Serner-Pedersen, who had been with the police in order to stop us to contact him (for papers), but Bishop Karsten Nissen then wrote to us that the case belonged under Bishop Niels Henrik Ahrendt in Haderslev Diocese, at the time when Jonas Serner-Pedersen was pastor in the church “Kolding Valgmenighed”.
I, Lars Skov Krøgholt, spoke with Bess, Jonas Serner-Pedersen's mother, who said she did not believe Jonas could speak with Daniela Skov. She also told that Jonas had said that he could not speak with Daniela when he had done this with a police restraint. We find that it is a very strange phrase, he says to his mother that "when I now have made this with a police restraint".
In summer 2012 Daniela Skov was definitely stressed out, because Jonas Serner-Pedersen reacted with silence when she asked him to talk with them about a reference to stay in England and about a receipt for our withdrawal from “Kolding Valgmenighed”, and I Lars Skov Krøgholt, several times asked Jonas S.-P.to speak with Daniela Skov about his conduct towards her personally. And I also could not stand to be met with silence.
It was an absolute matter of conscience for Daniela Skov to get the receipt, for she would not be in a church and have her name mixed up in a church where her Pastor had been bullied in hiding for 1½ years by the chairman in leadership Erling Hybschmann and Bo Christensen as well as three others in the leadership of the church. It was so rough. Daniela's doctor Birgitte Holde said to her that it had nothing to do with her; It was Jonas Serner-Pedersen's unconstructive way of solving problems. It also went very close to me being treated with silence. It is incredibly bad leadership, and opaque leadership is really stress-inducing. This fact was mentioned in the media relating to undertakings already in 2008.
The mentioned reference (recommendation) should, inter alia: be used to ensure our freedom of movement within the EU. At Leadership Academy in “Life Church” in England one is expected to bring a reference from the applicant's priest, as well as other third-party references. Jonas Serner-Pedersen had in 2011 or 12 given Daniela's daughter Natalie Skov Laugesen a recommendation for the Leadership Academy. Then-foreign minister Villy Søvndal and his colleagues in three other countries of the European Union, inter alia. Finland suggested in March 2013, that Nations, which go against the values of the European Union, inter alia. freedom of expression, must be punished.
It is incredibly bizarre and purely overkill that Jonas Serner-Pedersen goes to the police on the day that we write to him that we will save him to drive to Kolding, why we will offer to provide a car and drive up to him and talk with him about fixing the papers, he owes us. Resignation from “Kolding Valgmenighed” was a form which should be submitted to the incumbent priest. Jonas Serner-Pedersen then took several weeks to send us this very form. He had also entrusted Daniela Skov, that he had been sacked just based on the fact that the leadership by Erling Hybschmann said he was "unworkable for administrative work", and that his weakness was indeed administrative work. He sent Lars Skov Krøgholt an sms in which he wrote that now he had better get the papers sent to us. We then submitted resignation from “Kolding Valgmenighed” for Kenneth Skov Olesen, Daniela's son, and Daniela Skov and I Lars Skov Krøgholt. We certainly did not write on the resignation, that we would enroll in another Church, because it is not our desire. We expected that we would travel to England. First in 2014 it by accident came to our knowledge that we are joined into, respectively, Christ Church and St. Nicolai in Kolding, both are state churches. Jonas Serner-Pedersen's signature is on both forms, and we have been joined in two churches and paid church tax without our knowledge and acceptance for two years from May 2012. We do not have the faith and baptism (theology) as practiced in the state church, we do not at all believe in that religion. We are both baptized in free churches (theology: baptism of faith) with baptism of faith, and have actively resigned from the State Church, Daniela Skov in October 1997 and I Lars Skov Krøgholt resigned from the State Church and was baptized in the Apostolic Church in the spring of 2007, both after thorough conscientiously considerations. I Lars Skov Krøgholt saw it as a burglary and assault, that I got abused with my social security number by Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, who sent my paper into the population register, and deliberately failed to tell me about it for two years. It gives us an explanation as to why he has kept us away by going to the police and get a restraining order on us, so we couldn't get near him. However, it makes no sense, for he could just have talked to us. It is plain human interaction to do such.
When we offered to come up to him on 19 Sept. 2012, where he instead goes to the police and ask them to call Daniela up, it was incredibly shocking and traumatizing, and Daniela Skov got PTSD over the police's rough behavior, which we also previously complained about. In addition, it is surreal, that it really is Jonas Serner-Pedersen, who stood there by the police. He had manufactured Daniela Skov as a stalker, who he did not know – the policeman said "you're not in his congregation". It was completely shocking. The policeman said that she was charged. She could not understand any of it. I Lars Skov Krøgholt then rang the police to hear why I shouldn't be charged, when Daniela was it. We still do not know who the policeman is, who rang up Daniela that day. He keeps his identity hidden even after police have been questioning. Thus, we have lost our legal rights in Denmark. This has a lawyer at Amnesty International Claus Juhl also confirmed to us. Can the police at all threaten Daniela Skov that she is charged, without that she had been in for interrogation and prepared. In 2013, we were told by the lawyer help at Kolding Library that Jonas should have given us a verbal warning before us that he would not talk to us.
Our last meeting with Jonas Serner-Pedersen was on 15. August 2012 by our friend Mary's funeral. Jonas stopped to our surprise in front of Daniela Skov while they carried the coffin out of the Church, and gave her a long embrace. It could be seen by everyone in the Church. I think his whole demeanor the day at the funeral was so curious when he for months in advance would not talk to us. Daniela was also in a strange situation in the Church, which really took her by surprise when he just suddenly stopped in front of her. He as a pastor in a black robe, which we've never seen him in, while at the same time they carry Daniela’s friend out to the grave. 19. september 2012 it was so traumatic for Daniela Skov, that Jonas who then is in the role of parish pastor, who does not know her at mid And Western Jutland Police in Holstebro, and she is being portrayed as a stalker.
We would, however, not come armed up to him. But we had also written to him, that if he for some reason did not dare talk to us, he could for example. take his bishop to the conversation.
With kind regards Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt.
We have on 6 May sent out the following:
https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/maj/06-05-2015