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‼️‼️‼️ I pressemeddelelsen‼️‼️ står der en virkelig arrogant udtalelse, i afsnittet om at være teologiske kandidater og studerede ved universitetet for at fortolkning af skrifter fra urkirken og reformationen kan give mening og oplysning og inspiration til mennesker af i dag. Her bliver disciplene og apostlene, der var sammen med Jesus, hånet og krænket på en virkelig arrogant måde. De var fiskere og ulærde mænd, og dog blev på én dag 5000 mænd og det var vel foruden kvinder og børn, tændt i brand for Jesus Kristus, og troen spredte sig ud fra deres liv (Ny Testamente, Apostlenes Gerninger kap. 4, vers 4, side 989 i den autoriserede bibel). I pressemeddelelsen skriver Biskop Fischer-Møller, at vi bliver frelst ved Guds nåde alene. Under reformationen blev Dr. Martin Luther forfulgt og mange med ham. Mennesker led døden. Martin Luther slog fast, at vor frelse alene er ved Jesus Kristus og troen på Ham. Pressemeddelelsen bekender sig til en kristen tro, som er sjæl og legeme som en helhed. Det er dog en verden til forskel fra den Bibelske, hvor man taler om ånd, sjæl og legeme som en helhed!!!
Uddrag af artikel skrevet af en mand, ud fra hans protestantiske synsvinkel:
I katolicismen er der fokus på alle sanserne i den kirkelige oplevelse, mes der i protestantismen er tomt og hvidt. Den teologiske baggrund afslører hvorfor
Når du træder ind i en katolsk kirke aktiveres sanserne. Storslåede fresker, mosaikker og kalkmalerier møder øjet, messesang møder øret, og duften af røgelse møder næsen. Går du derimod ind i en protestantisk kirke, er kirkerummet rent og hvidt, præsten er i sort og den eneste udsmykning er ofte et kors eller en altertavle.
Hvorfor? Fordi der bag disse ydre, sanselige oplevelser af kirken ligger grundlæggende forskellige teologier. Disse forskelle kan man inddele i tre overordnede punkter:
1. Autoritet i skriften eller hos paven
Den romersk-katolske kirke gør krav på at være den ene sande, altomfattende kirke. Historisk set har man læst Matthæusevangeliets kapitel 16 som bevis på, at Peter er udvalgt til at være den klippe, som kirken skal bygges på. Og Peter blev som den vigtigste discipel den første pave med Nøglerne til Himmerigets port. Kirken er altså det synlige gudsrige på jorden. Kirken er guddommelig, fordi den er indstiftet af Kristus. Og udenfor denne katolske kirke gives der ingen frelse.
For katolikker er det med andre ord kirken og dens tradition, der har autoriteten til at sige, hvad der er sandheden. Så sent som i 1870 slog den katolske kirke fast, at paven er ufejlbarlig. Hvad paven siger, kan altså umuligt stride imod Bibelens ord. Derved har katolikken en urokkelig vished i kirkens autoritet, der kan fortælle, hvad der er rigtigt og forkert ifølge Jesus.
I den protestantiske kirke derimod har man ingen pave, og man mener ikke, at noget menneske kan være ufejlbarligt. Reformatoren Martin Luther brød med det katolske patent på frelsen og nedbrød samtidig det kirkelige hierarki. Selvom man dog igen i dag formelt set har både præster, provster og biskopper, er der blandt lutheranerne en forestilling om et almindeligt præstedømme. Det betyder, at alle for så vidt er præster. Ingen er mere hellige end andre. Men af praktiske grunde vælger man at kalde nogle til at være præst for de andre.
Hvad så med autoriteten? Hvordan ved protestanter, hvad der er godt og ondt? Er alt så lige sandt? Luther erstattede pavens autoritet med et princip, han kaldte sola scriptura, dvs. skriften alene. Der er med andre ord ikke nogen autoritet, der er højere end bibelskriften. Da vi nu alle er præster, må vi hver især læse i Bibelen og rådføre os med vores samvittighed for at forstå, hvad Jesus sagde.
Netop derfor er den protestantiske kirkes rum renset for sanseindtryk. Som protestant skal man ikke forstyrres af billeder, lugte og lyde. Det vigtige er udelukkende, at man hører og forstår det Ord, der bliver forkyndt i prædikenen.
2. Retfærdighed ved tro eller gerning
Alt dette leder direkte til en anden stor forskel på de to kirker, nemlig oplevelsen af fællesskab. I den katolske kirke kan man ikke være kristen alene. Kirke betyder i sin oprindelige betydning forsamling, og derfor er det kristne fællesskab bygget op om gode gerninger. Der er altså en meget stærk forbindelse mellem moral og Guds nåde i den katolske kirke. Her er det en selvfølge, at Gud ikke frelser den, der lever et umoralsk liv.
I den protestantiske kirke derimod har man siden Luther fastholdt, at menneskets vilje er trælbunden. Mennesket er så syndigt, at det i bund og grund ikke kan gøre noget godt. I hvert fald kan det absolut intet gøre for at frelse sig selv. Man kan altså ikke gøre gode handlinger og på den måde gøre sig fortjent til Guds frelse.
Grunden til at den protestantiske kirke er ren og hvid hænger med andre ord sammen med, at mennesket bliver frelst ved tro alene. Frelsen er ikke afhængigt af, hvilken kirke man tilhører eller hvilken præst man har. Det er kun afgørende, om man er døbt, og at man kan høre og forstå, hvad der bliver sagt i prædikenen for derved at komme til at tro på Guds Ord.
I den reformerte kirke, som er en del af protestantismen, har man helt undgået problemet ved at fremhæve, at frelsen er forudbestemt. Gud har ganske enkelt allerede på forhånd bestemt, hvem der frelses og hvem der fortabes. Det enkelte menneske kan altså hverken gøre fra eller til.
Man kan sige, at ulempen ved den protestantiske teologi er, at den ikke er særlig pædagogisk eller opdragende. Hvis man ikke frelses af gode gerninger, hvorfor så ikke bare handle ondt? Her har den katolske kirke langt stærkere fokus på autoritet, opdragelse og fællesskab. Til gengæld må man finde sig i, at det er præsteskabet, der fortæller en, hvad man skal tænke og tro.
3. To eller syv sakramenterne
At kirkerummet i den protestantiske kirke er renset og næsten tomt kan også ses modsætning til den katolske kirkes dyrkelse af helgener. Siden 100-tallet har man i den katolske kirke dyrket mange forskellige helgener, særligt Jomfru Maria, som især katolske kvinder ser som forbillede og derfor håber på vil gå i forbøn for dem hos Gud.
I de protestantiske kirker derimod har man kritiseret helgendyrkelse for at være en form for hedensk afgudsdyrkelse. Der må ikke stå noget imellem det enkelte menneske og Kristus. Alt udover Kristi Ord er overflødigt og leder kun mod fortabelse. I den reformerte kirke har man derfor indført et totalt billedforbud, mens lutheranerne er mere moderate.
Man kan også se tendensen i antallet af sakramenter. Man er i protestantismen og katolicismen fælles om at forstå et sakramente som et synligt tegn på Guds usynlige nådegave, og det er kirken, der har magten til at uddele sakramenterne og dermed Guds nåde.
I katolicismen har man syv sakramenter: Dåb, nadver, skriftemålet, konfirmation, ægteskab, ordination og den sidste olie. Men i protestantismen har man begrænset antallet af sakramenter til to ud fra den forståelse, at et sakramente skal være indstiftet af Kristus, og ifølge protestanter er det kun tilfældet med dåb og nadver. F.eks. har Jesus ikke sagt noget om konfirmation, og brylluppet var ifølge Luther en ren kulturel eller praktisk foranstaltning. Den havde intet med Jesus at gøre, mente han.
Uddrag af Artikel af en kvinde, ud fra hendes katolske synsvinkel
Kirsten Kjærullf, katolik og debattør.
Også det katolske menneskesyn (og natursyn) er præget af holismen, for ikke kun sjælen, men også menneskelegemet er skabt til hellighed. Trods syndefaldet har mennesket ved Guds nåde fået mulighed for at gå hellighedens vej i Kristi efterfølgelse.
Protestantismen er også i sit menneskesyn påvirket af renæssancens opsplitning mellem det fysiske og det åndelige. I Luthers meget pessimistiske menneskesyn er der visse ligheder med gnostikernes ringeagt for menneskelegemet og hele den fysiske skabte verden. Derfor så Luther mennesket som radikalt ondt, ude af stand til at gøre gode gerninger.
Han skriver et berømt skrift om "Den trælbundne vilje," hvori han udtrykker, at mennesket intet kan gøre selv for sin frelse, men udelukkende er afhængig af Guds nåde. "Gerningsretfærdighed" opfatter han som hovmod og hykleri.
Derfor skriver den store katolske renæssancefilosof, Erasmus af Rotterdam, et svarskrift til Luther, som han gav titlen "Den frie vilje": Katolsk tro siger ikke, at man nogensinde kan retfærdiggøre sig selv ved at gøre gode gerninger, men derimod, at troen nødvendigvis må medføre gode gerninger. Ellers er det "en død tro." Det er således en opgave, som Jesus har givet til hvert enkelt menneske, at det skal gå hellighedens vej, som er en kontinuerlig personlig udviklingsvej i Kristi efterfølgelse."
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Derfor undrer jeg mig over om MARTIN LUTHER virkelig påstod at "BRYLLUPPET INTET HAVDE MED JESUS AT GØRE!"
I det hele taget det at KIRKEN tillægger sig forskellige KIRKEFÆDRE eller PAVEN som KIRKENS IDENTIFIKATIONSGRUNDLAG er da utrolig OPSPLITTENDE og det forårsager , at mange bare gør den, som lægger navn til, UFEJLBARLIG og mange lader jo osse være med selv at sætte sig ind i tingene, og overlader ansvaret for sin tro nærmest i præsten eller ledernes hænder. Der er så TALETILLADELSE til de man GIVER RETTEN til at STYRKE DEN VALGTE RETTE LÆRE OG TRO "hos os!" modsat de som siger noget, der risikerer at menigheden stiller spørgsmål og tænker selv og søger dybere! ‼‼‼‼
JESUS SAGDE OM SIG SELV " Jeg er vejen, sandheden og livet. Ingen kommer til Faderen uden ved mig!"
Det har præster i Danmark såvel som i Sverige sat sig OVER. JESUS siger her at HAN ER vor virkelige virkelighed. Det er den forståelse, det er Sandhed og virkelig opfattet dengang som ét hele!
I vores tid siger PRÆSTER, UDEN AT TÆNKE OVER DERES PRÆSTELØFTE OG BEKENDELSESSKRIFTER! at de er kommet længere end JESUS KRISTUS.
De ved bedst!
De er klogere og smartere end VOR SKABER Gud og smartere og klogere end KIRKENS HERRE JESUS KRISTUS.
De ved bedst. ‼
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Katolikker mener, at Jesus reelt er tilstede i nadverbrødet, når præsten har løftet det og velsignet det, skriver katolske Kirsten Kjærulff
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Jeg vil blive meget glad, hvis I vil give mig en kort beskrivelse af, hvad forskellen er på katolicisme og protestantisme. På forhånd tak!
Stefan
Læs også: 10 vigtigste ting om protestantisme
Svar:
Kære Stefan
Grundlæggende har katolikker og protestanter den samme kristne tro: At Jesus er Kristus, Guds Menneskesøn, som det er formuleret i den apostoliske og den nicænske trosbekendelse.
Trosbekendelserne er vi fælles om. De bruges begge to i både den katolske og den protestantiske Kirke. Der er kun én lille forskel: I den katolske Kirke siger man: "Jeg tror på den hellige katolske Kirke." I den protestantiske siger man: "Jeg tror på den hellige almindelige Kirke." Men "katolsk" betyder oprindeligt "Almen/almindelig" eller "universel."
Men selvfølgelig er der forskelle. Ellers var vi jo for længst igen blevet én Kirke, som Jesus ønskede det. Jeg vil nævne tre forskelle, som har vidtrækkende konsekvenser.
Læs også: 10 vigtigste ting om protestantisme
Den katolske tro omfatter ALT i denne verden og i Guds verden. Tiden og rummet, historien og den fysiske verden, de levende og de døde og de mennesker, der endnu ikke er født - alt er i Guds favn, for Han er den levende Gud, den medvandrende Gud, ligesom Han var det, da Gudsfolket vandrede gennem ørkenen. Han er med os her og nu. Gud har skabt den fysiske verden til at være hellig og god. Menneskelegemet er ikke sjælens miserable fængsel, men Helligåndens bolig.
Syndefaldet havde bragt Guds orden og skønhed i ubalance. Døden og alt det onde var kommet ind i verden. Men da Gud åbenbarede sin herlighed i Jesus Kristus, genoprettede Han, hvad Adam og Eva havde ødelagt, dengang de gjorde oprør mod Gud. I inkarnationens mysterium (dvs. at Gud blev menneske i Jesus) og i påskenattens sejr, da Jesus opstod fra de døde, indplantede Gud denne genforsoning i verden og helliggjorde den gennem sin Kirke og sine sakramenter, som i mysteriets form er en fortsættelse af Kristi fysiske nærvær iblandt os.
Derfor tror katolikker, at Jesus reelt er tilstede i nadverbrødet, når præsten har løftet det og velsignet det. Nadveren et fest- og mindemåltid, men også en offerhandling, en reel aktualisering af Jesu død på korset og samtidig Hans opstandelses sejr over døden. Når vi spiser og drikker Hans legeme og blod, bliver vi forenet med Hans Guddom.
Den protestantiske verdensopfattelse derimod er præget af renæssancens dualistiske verdenssyn, som man havde arvet fra dele af græsk filosofi, især Platon og nyplatonismen. Det betyder, at man ikke mere ville acceptere naturen som hellig, og at man ikke mere kunne tro på Kristi fortsatte tilstedeværelse i alterets sakramente, men mere opfatter det som et mindemåltid, hvor den frelsende virkning afhænger af modtagerens egen indstilling.
Den katolske opfattelse af sakramenterne som en sammensmeltning af en guddommelig virkelighed og et fysisk tegn skæres bort, fordi den åndelige og den fysiske virkelighed adskilles lige så radikalt som i Descartes' filosofi nogle årtier senere. Derfor fjerner protestantismen fem af de oprindelige syv sakramenter, og de fleste sanselige og kropslige elementer i gudstjenesten skæres bort (Skikken at knæle, at korse sig; brugen af kerter, vievand, røgelse, liturgiske farver, rosenkranse, ikoner, krucifixer osv osv).
For mange protestanter medførte det, at Gud forsvandt for dem op i den fjerne Himmel, hvor Han ikke bekymrede sig så meget om sine børns daglige jordiske tilværelse. Nu måtte de klare den selv og trøste sig med præstens prædiken om søndagen.
Kirkens fysisk-historiske dimension kommer i den katolske Kirke endvidere til udtryk i Den hellige tradition (dvs. den levende tradition, som gennem paverne og biskopperne - fra person til person - går direkte tilbage til apostlene selv). Den kirkelige tradition er sammen med Den hellige Skrift kilden til troen, for traditionen sikrer, at Bibelen fortolkes i overensstemmelse med apostlenes lære.
Det er et grundprincip i katolsk tro, at Sandheden om Gud er absolut, og denne Sandhed bevares i Kirkens tradition under Helligåndens vejledning. Det er denne tradition, som Kirken, personificeret i Paven, er garant for, og som giver Kirken teologisk autoritet.
Det var imidlertid netop denne autoritet, Luther ikke ville bøje sig for. Han ville ikke acceptere nogen "mellemmand" mellem Gud og det enkelte menneske. Derfor forkaster han traditionen og siger "Bibelen alene." Han mente, at hvert menneske selv kunne læse og fortolke Bibelen ud fra sine egne forudsætninger. Dermed sætter han (lige som Descartes gør i filosofien) det subjektive som øverste dommer (igen en følge af renæssancens menneskefrigørelse og individualisme).
Man taler derfor om, at den katolske teologi er en "teologi fra oven" (åbenbaret af Gud, båret af både rationalitet, tro, bøn og mystisk erfaring), mens den protestantiske teologi er en "teologi fra neden," alene båret af den menneskelige erkendelse og dens muligheder. Det har gennem århundrederne i den protestantiske teologi ført til en stadig stærkere verdsliggørelse, fordi den er blevet en universitetsdisciplin med samme overordnede arbejdsmetoder som humanistiske og til dels naturvidenskabelige fag, som udelukker de elementer, som bæres af tro, bøn og mystisk erfaring.
Denne opfattelse har i protestantisk praksis ført til en omfattende relativisme og subjektivisme, så at ingen i den protestantiske Kirke kan eller vil udtale sig på Kirkens vegne, men altid kun må tale på egne vegne.
Også det katolske menneskesyn (og natursyn) er præget af holismen, for ikke kun sjælen, men også menneskelegemet er skabt til hellighed. Trods syndefaldet har mennesket ved Guds nåde fået mulighed for at gå hellighedens vej i Kristi efterfølgelse.
Protestantismen er også i sit menneskesyn påvirket af renæssancens opsplitning mellem det fysiske og det åndelige. I Luthers meget pessimistiske menneskesyn er der visse ligheder med gnostikernes ringeagt for menneskelegemet og hele den fysiske skabte verden. Derfor så Luther mennesket som radikalt ondt, ude af stand til at gøre gode gerninger.
Han skriver et berømt skrift om "Den trælbundne vilje," hvori han udtrykker, at mennesket intet kan gøre selv for sin frelse, men udelukkende er afhængig af Guds nåde. "Gerningsretfærdighed" opfatter han som hovmod og hykleri.
Derfor skriver den store katolske renæssancefilosof, Erasmus af Rotterdam, et svarskrift til Luther, som han gav titlen "Den frie vilje": Katolsk tro siger ikke, at man nogensinde kan retfærdiggøre sig selv ved at gøre gode gerninger, men derimod, at troen nødvendigvis må medføre gode gerninger. Ellers er det "en død tro." Det er således en opgave, som Jesus har givet til hvert enkelt menneske, at det skal gå hellighedens vej, som er en kontinuerlig personlig udviklingsvej i Kristi efterfølgelse.
Tusinder af kristne er gået denne vej og mange af dem er derfor kåret som helgener, dvs. mennesker, der kan være forbillede for os andre i Kristi efterfølgelse. Den største af disse helgener er Jomfru Maria, der som Guds Moder indtager en helt central stilling i katolsk tro. I kraft af sin ydmyghed og sin tro er hun det menneske, som er gået tættest i Jesu efterfølgelse, og som derfor kan føre os andre ad den samme vej.
Om disse emner er der skrevet tusinder af digre værker. Derfor vil jeg standse her og henvise dig til videre læsning i Den Katolske Kirkes Katekismus, som du kan finde på følgende norske internetadresse: www.katolsk.no - Katekismen er oversat til dansk, men er endnu ikke udkommet. Men den norske er meget let at læse - og til Katolsk Minileksikon på Den danske Katolske Kirkes officielle webadresse: www.katolsk.dk.
Venlig hilsen
Kirsten Kjærulff,
katolik og debattør
Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen skrev til Lars i en SMS i februar 2012: " Vi skal BESKYTTE kirken. Nye kristne vil ikke komme der, hvis de ved, hvad der foregår her."
Kirken skal FREMSTÅ som ufejlbarlig‼️Kirken er et omdrejningspunkt omkring sig selv. Kirken er RELIGIONEN for vi læser hele tiden, at Biskopper og præster og ligeså præster i frikirkerne taler om og skriver om KIRKEN‼️Fhv Seniorpastor Grete Petterson i Kolding Kirkecenter, (pinsekirken) sagde til Daniela Skov i sommeren 2008:" Vil du ud og sladre. Det er fjenden (fra Djævelen) Vi skal beskytte Kirken!" Den samme lære som den Katolske Kirke skjulte sine ugerninger bag i mange mange år så tusindvis af børn blev misbrugt af præster i det skjulte!
Vi kunne til vor gru læse i Kr. Dagblad at Biskop Henrik Stubkjær udtaler, sit fulde samtykke til Sognepræst Jonas Serner- Pedersen til at opretholde Polititilhold mod Lars Skov Krøgholt og jeg og, at han ikke overhovedet udviser aktivt og grundigt SIN TILSYNOPGAVE SOM BISKOP I HENHOLD TIL DET BISPELØFTE, HAN SELV HAR PERSONLIGT HAR SKREVET UNDER PÅ. Han tager Sognepræst Jonas Serner- Pedersens vildt overdrevne påstand om, at han nu har hørt fra os i 3 år som fuld og helt til troende:"
"....Det har ikke været muligt at få en kommentar fra Kirkeministeriet, men Henrik Stubkjær, der er biskop 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰for Jonas Serner-Pedersen i Viborg Stift, savner ikke en handlingsplan for udsatte præster:
‼‼‼‼‼‼ ”Der er taget skridt til at hjælpe den pågældende præst, og mit indtryk er, at sagerne vil være så individuelle, at de kan være svære at fange i en enkelt handlingsplan. Men har sagen et omfang som den omtalte sag, vil det være naturligt, at biskoppen indkalder til et samlet møde med de relevante myndigheder, ” siger biskoppen."
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‼️VI HAR VÆRET I RETTEN I FORSOMMER 2013 og vi har pga. AT POLITIET KLARGJORDE FOR OS‼️‼️‼️AT DET VI STOD I FRA HAM, VI TROEDE VAR VOR VEN I KOLDING, VIRKELIG VAR SOM DET VAR, at Han var ravruskende ligeglad med om, vi ku risikere fængselsstraf ultimativt, for at bede ham om at tage hånd om ET LILLE 15 MINUTTERS PAPIRARBEJDE.
det han var under kritik FOR AF KOLDING VALGMENIGHEDHEDS LEDERSKAB : I JONAS EGET UDSAGN : at " jeg dur ikke til administrativt arbejde ! " og Daniela Skovs søn, Kenneth tog Jonas i forsvar overfor BO CHRISTENSEN, DER SAMMEN MED FORMAND ERLING HÜBSCHMANN NEDBRØD VALGMENIGHEDSPRÆSTS MED MOBNING I HALVANDET ÅR .
Kenneth :" Det ser ud som om I forventer, at JONAS skal udføre to fuldtidsjobs. Hvad med at ansætte en til det administrative?"
Jonas var glad for at Kenneth støttede ham og at Kenneth mente og sagde det,
og Jonas fortalte mig det og ligeså fortalte mig ,Daniela Skov i forsommeren 2012 at :" det var også sådan han ser det!"
Tilsyn og støtte fra BISKOP KARSTEN NISSEN OG SIDEN VIBORG STIFTS. NUVÆRENDE BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR
til en pastor, der jo nødvendigvis også som KIRKEBOGSFØRENDE I HJERM, SKAL KUNNE TAGE SIG ANSVARSBEVIST AF
ADMINISTRATIVT ARBEJDE.
SENEST I VINTEREN 2013 :" Næste gang er det fængsel!" SELVFØLGELIG IKKE KONTAKTET JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN DEREFTER.
ALTSÅ SIDEN VINTER 2013. DET ER EN LØGNAGTIG PÅSTAND, AT HAN HAR FÅET BESKEDER FRA OS NU I 3 ÅR. LIGESÅ DET FULDSTÆNDIGT ABSURDE ANTAL. Jeg er overbevist om, at SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN HAVDE FORTSAT AT RINGE TIL MIDT- OG - VESTJYLLANDS POLITI OM, DET FORHOLDT SIG SOM HAN SAGDE. IKKE KUN BRUGE KR. DAGBLAD TIL AT FÅ EN ARTIKEL UD. DET BLEV TAGET IMOD AF KR. DAGBLAD UDEN DE HAR TALT MED OS FØR OG HELLER IKKE SIDEN UNDSKYLDT TIL OS OG OFFENTLIGT DEMENTERET, HVAD DE TILLOD AT SVÆRTE BORGERE I DANMARK MED. SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER - PEDERSEN HAVDE NOK FORLÆNGST FÅET HEMMELIGT NUMMER FOR HAN KU IKKE UDFØRE SIT ARBEJDE UNDER HANS SELVPROKLAMEREDE FORFÆRDELIGE VILKÅR.
OG MON LARS SKOV KRØGHOLT SÅ VAR I ARBEJDE FØRST I GADEMIX, KOLDING OG NU PÅ BRÆNDKJÆR SKOLEN SOM BLA LÆRERVIKAR , HVIS HAN SKU SIDDE OG TÆPPEBOMBE JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN MED SMS OG TLF SVARER BESKEDER 12 timer pr.dag og 100 daglige SMS. VENLIGST, KONTAKTE DE TO ARBEJDSPLADSER I DANMARK, BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR I TILSYNS ØJEMED OG ANSVAR! SÅVEL SOM AT LÆGGE MÆRKE TIL HVIS DU ELLERS TALER MED SOGNEPRÆST I HJERM SOGN, VIBORG STIFT, SOM DU ER DEN TILSYNSANSVARLIGE FOR, OM HANS TELEFON RINGER UAFBRUDT OG DER KOMMER EN KASKADEREGN AF SMS IND FRA MIG, DANIELA SKOV?
LIGESÅ ER DET AT SKRIVE OG SMÆDE BORGERE I AVISEN KR. DAGBLAD, SÅVEL SOM ØDELÆGGE TO DANSKE MEDBORGERES TROVÆRDIGHED HOS SYDØSTJYLLANDS - OG SYDVESTJYLLANDS POLITI SOM ER VI SKYLDIGE I AT "UDBREDE ONDSINDET SLADDER" ( Jonas Serner - Pedersens skriftlige og fra ham UDOKUMENTEREDE PÅSTAND mod os) og udstille Daniela Skov med en stalker identitet udover hele Danmark FRA 2012 IKKE LOVLIGT I DANMARK.
VAR ALT DET LOVLIGT VILLE POLITIET
HELT SIKKERT HAVE EFTERKOMMET STATSADVOKATENI VIBORGS PÅLÆG,
Rapport om sikkerhed og meninger om politi og det retslige domstolssystem
En undersøgelse er årsagen til en udtalelse fra vores Justitsminister Søren Pind, som selv fornylig udtalte, at det er tid til at undersøge alle de sager, hvor politiet lyver! Hvad skete der med dette løfte? Hvad med alle de spørgsmål, der aldrig bliver stillet når man indsamler data til den europæiske social-undersøgelse.
Alvorlige løgne og skjule politibetjentes identitet, så det er umuligt at gøre dem personligt ansvarlige.
Mørke
Som forårsager at mange borgere! Selv i vores lykkelige () -Danmark mister deres retssikkerhed!!
Justitsminister Søren Pind siger:
”Jeg glæder mig over, at vi i Danmark stoler på vores myndigheder og generelt har et samfund, hvor vi har tillid til hinanden. Den tillid er kimen i vores fællesskab. Vi danskere ved, at vores politi og retsvæsen er sat i verden for at hjælpe og beskytte os. Vi lever i en tid med store udfordringer, men tallene her viser, at danskerne er enige i, at politiet og retssystemet grundlæggende gør det godt.”
Tryghedsundersøgelsen European Social Survey, som ligger til grund for den nye rapport, er lavet hvert andet år siden 2002, og denne gang har borgere i 15 forskellige lande deltaget.
DET ER I DIT STIFT, VIBORG, BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR,
OG IKKE VALGT AT BESKYTTE KIRKEN ‼️‼️‼️SAMMEN MED DIG OG SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN.
I dommen, som vi fik ved Retten i HOLSTEBRO i 2013 står der, at vi har fortalt jo, at Sognepræst i HJERM SOGN, JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN VILLE DÆKKE OVER ULOVLIGHEDER OG AT HAN SELV HAR UDTALT, AT VI SKAL BESKYTTE KIRKEN ‼
LØJ VI I RETTEN
MENER DU, BISKOP I VIBORG HENRIK STUBKJÆR AT LARS SKOV KRØGHOLT OG JEG DANIELA SKOV LØJ OM DIN SOGNEPRÆST I HJERM SOGN JONAS SERNER -PEDERSEN I RETTEN I HOLSTEBRO
LIGESÅ TIL ALLE BISKOPPER I KIRKEN I DANMARK :
LØJ VI I RETTEN
DOMSUDSKRIFTET FRA RETTEN I HOLSTEBRO BLEV SKREVET EFTER HVAD VI FORVENTER VAR ET LOVMÆSSIGT RETSMØDE !‼‼‼
ALLE BISKOPPER I DANMARK FOR BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR HAR EFTER Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen skrev til Lars i en SMS i februar 2012: " Vi skal BESKYTTE kirken. Nye kristne vil ikke komme der, hvis de ved, hvad der foregår her.!" Kirken skal FREMSTÅ som ufejlbarlig‼️Kirken er et omdrejningspunkt omkring sig selv. Kirken er RELIGIONEN for vi læser hele tiden, at Biskopper og præster og ligeså præster i frikirkerne taler om og skriver om KIRKEN‼️ Fhv Seniorpastor Grete Petterson i Kolding Kirkecenter, (pinsekirken) sagde til Daniela Skov i sommeren 2008:" Vil du ud og sladre. Det er fjenden (fra Djævelen) Vi skal beskytte Kirken!" Den samme lære som den Katolske Kirke skjulte sine ugerninger bag i mange mange år så tusindvis af børn blev misbrugt af præster i det skjulte!
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Vi kunne til vor gru læse i Kr. Dagblad at Biskop Henrik Stubkjær udtaler, sit fulde samtykke med Sognepræst Jonas Serner- Pedersen til at opretholde Polititilhold mod Lars Skov Krøgholt og jeg og at han ikke overhovedet udviser aktivt og grundigt SIN TILSYNOPGAVE SOM BISKOP I HENHOLD TIL DET BISPELØFTE, HAN SELV HAR PERSONLIGT HAR SKREVET UNDER PÅ. Han tager Sognepræst Jonas Serner- Pedersens vildt overdrevne påstand om, at han nu har hørt fra os i 3 år. Endog I form af 100 sms om dagen og Telefonsvarer beskeder 12 timer dagligt. Det er uden dokumentation. Og ligeså HELT ULADSIGGØRLIGT PGA NETOP POLITITILHOLDET MOD OS. HVIS VI GJORDE DET HER PÅSTÅEDE, VILLE VI VÆRE BLEVET FÆNGSLET. DET ER ULTIMATIV KONSEKVENS AF POLITITILHOLDET. VI HAR ALLEREDE BETALT BØDESTRAFFE OG VI HAR VÆRET I RETTEN I FORSOMMER 2013 og vi har pga. AT POLITIET KLARGJORDE FOR OS SENEST I VI TEREN 2013:" Næste gang er det fængsel!" SELVFØLGELIG IKKE KONTAKTET JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN DEREFTER. ALTSÅ SIDEN VINTER 2013. DET ER EN LØGNAGTIG PÅSTAND, AT HAN HAR FÅET BESKEDER FRA OS NU I 3 ÅR. LIGESÅ DET FULDSTÆNDIGT ABSURDE ANTAL. Jeg er overbevist om, at SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN HAVDE FORTSAT AT RINGE TIL MIDT- OG - VESTJYLLANDS POLITI OM, DET FORHOLDT SIG SOM HAN SAGDE. IKKE KUN BRUGE KR. DAGBLAD TIL AT FÅ EN ARTIKEL UD. DET BLEV TAGET IMOD AF KR. DAGBLAD UDEN DE HAR TALT MED OS FØR OG HELLER IKKE SIDEN UNDSKYLDT TIL OS OG OFFENTLIGT DEMENTERET, HVAD DE TILLOD AT SVÆRTE BORGERE I DANMARK MED. SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER - PEDERSEN HAVDE NOK FORLÆNGST FÅET HEMMELIGT NUMMER FOR HAN KU IKKE UDFØRE SIT ARBEJDE UNDER HANS SELVPROKLAMEREDE FORFÆRDELIGE VILKÅR.
OG MON LARS SKOV KRØGHOLT SÅ VAR I ARBEJDE FØRST I GADEMIX, KOLDING OG NU PÅ BRÆNDKJÆR SKOLEN SOM BLA LÆRERVIKAR, HVIS HAN SKU SIDDE OG TÆPPEBOMBE JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN MED SMS OG TLF SVARER BESKEDER 12 timer pr.dag og 100 daglige SMS. VENLIGST, KONTAKTE DE TO ARBEJDSPLADSER I DANMARK, BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR I TILSYNS ØJEMED OG ANSVAR! SÅVEL SOM AT LÆGGE MÆRKE TIL HVIS DU ELLERS TALER MED SOGNEPRÆST I HJERM SOGN, VIBORG STIFT, SOM DU ER DEN TILSYNSANSVARLIGE FOR, OM HANS TELEFON RINGER UAFBRUDT OG DER KOMMER EN KASKADEREGN AF SMS IND FRA MIG, DANIELA SKOV?
LIGESÅ ER DET AT SKRIVE OG SMÆDE BORGERE I AVISEN KR. DAGBLAD, SÅVEL SOM ØDELÆGGE TO DANSKE MEDBORGERES TROVÆRDIGHED HOS SYDØSTJYLLANDS - OG SYDVESTJYLLANDS POLITI SOM ER VI SKYLDIGE I AT "UDBREDE ONDSINDET SLADDER" (Jonas Serner - Pedersens skriftlige og fra ham UDOKUMENTEREDE PÅSTAND mod os) og udstille Daniela Skov med en stalker identitet udover hele Danmark FRA 2012 IKKE LOVLIGT I DANMARK.
VAR ALT DET LOVLIGT VILLE POLITIET
HELT SIKKERT HAVE EFTERKOMMET STATSADVOKATEN I VIBORGS PÅLÆG,
DET ER I DIT STIFT, VIBORG, BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR ,
Biskop Henrik Stubkjær er Stiftets øverste myndighed i gejstlige spørgsmål, og vælges hertil af Stiftets menighedsrådsmedlemmer og valgmenighedsbestyrelser.
🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰‼️‼️‼️‼️Det indebærer, at biskoppen fører tilsyn.‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ Tilsynet omfatter læren, forkyndelsen, menighedslivet og rammerne herfor. Det vil sige, at tilsynet ikke kun gælder præsterne virke, men menighedslivet og det kirkelige liv i bred forstand.‼️‼️
‼️‼️‼️ En biskop udnævnes efter et valg, hvor alle menighedsrådsmedlemmer, valgmenighedsbestyrelser og præster i stiftet, kan opstille kandidater og har stemmeret. Efter indstillingen fra kirkeministeren bliver biskopper kongeligt udnævnt. ‼️‼️‼️
Biskop Henrik Stubkjær blev indsat som biskop over Viborg Stift den 26. november 2014.
Sammen med stiftamtmanden udgør biskoppen Stiftsøvrigheden, der er den øverste myndighed i stiftet i økonomiske og i en række administrative spørgsmål.
Biskop Henrik Stubkjær kan kontaktes på telefon 86620911 eller mobil 23296600
E-mail: kmvib@dk eller hes@km.dk
OG IKKE VALGT AT BESKYTTE KIRKEN ‼‼‼ SAMMEN MED DIG OG SOGNEPRÆST JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN.
I dommen, som vi fik ved Retten i HOLSTEBRO i 2013 står der, at vi har fortalt jo, at Sognepræst i HJERM SOGN, JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN VILLE DÆKKE OVER ULOVLIGHEDER OG AT HAN SELV HAR UDTALT, AT VI SKAL BESKYTTE KIRKEN ‼
LØJ VI I RETTEN
DET MÅ NUVÆRENDE BISKOP I VIBORG HENRIK STUBKJÆR OG SOGNEPRÆST I HJERM SOGN JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN JO VÆRE ENIGE OMI HENHOLD TIL NEDENSTÅENDE I KR.DAGBLAD‼️‼️‼️
TIL ALLE I ØVRIGE BISKOPPER I DANMARK : LØJ VI I RETTEN
FOR BISKOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR HAR EFTER UDSAGN I KR. DAGBLAD SAGT, HVAD HAN STÅR FOR OG I ER JO KOLLEGAER MED HAM, OG UNDER ANSVAR FOR MENIGHEDEN I DANMARK I HENHOLD TIL JERES BISKOPLØFTE OG DENNE SAG ER UDE I ALLE JERES STIFTER OG HOS JERES MEDANSATTE I DOMKIRKERNE SAMT I DET HELE TAGET KENDT I DANMARK OG I NATIONERNE, HVOR DER ER AVISER , SOM MODTAGER FRA "YTRINGSFRIHEDEN!"
Er KIRKEN som I er BISKOPPER OG og TILSYNSFØRENDE under HENDES MAJESTÆT DRONNING MARGRETHE OG UNDER VOR STATSMINISTER OG KIRKEMINISTER SAMT JUSTITSMINISTER OG FINANSMINISTER OG VEL OGSÅ INDENRIGSMINISTER - sikkert HELE REGERINGEN I DANMARK BEGRÆNSET TIL JERES EGEN LILLE KREDS:
DE 4-5 PROCENT AF DANMARKS BEFOLKNING , SOM AKTIVT DELTAGER I KIRKELIGE AKTIVITETER
Eller hvad med de måske 75 PROCENT ELLER HVAD NØJAGTIGT ANTAL ER - OVER 4 MILLIONER AF VORE MEDBORGERE I VOR FÆLLES NATION DANMARK
DE HAR TILSYNELADENDE DESVÆRRE PGA BISKOPPERNES FULDE ANSVARSFRALÆGGELSE FRA AT OVERHOLDE BISKOPLØFTET I SELV HAR UNDERSKREVET !!!‼️‼️‼️og som I ikke taler om i offentligheden, så dagblade og Tv nyhederne i DANMARK OG MULIGT DESVÆRRE OSSE VOR NATIONS KIRKEMINISTER HOS VENSTRE, BERTEL HAARDER
TILLÆGGER DET VÆGT OG DERFOR BESKÆFTIGER SIG MED AT
BISKOPLØFTET RENT FAKTISK EKSISTERER
IKKE KUN PRÆSTELØFTET.
MEN JFR BISKOP KARSTEN NISSEN,
KRAV PÅ AT BETALE KIRKESKAT UNDER BESKYTTELSE FRA AT VIDE, HVAD DER FOREGÅR I KIRKEN INDTIL NU ‼‼‼‼ FOR SOGNEPRÆST I HJERM SOGN UNDER VIBORG STIFT OG STRUER PROVSTI, JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN BESLUTTET i februar 2012 og skrevet SIT NARRATIVE I EN SMS:
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" VI SKAL BESKYTTE KIRKEN. NYE KRISTNE (DØBTE???) VIL IKKE KOMME DER, HVIS DE VED HVAD DER FOREGÅR HER‼"
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"....Det har ikke været muligt at få en kommentar fra Kirkeministeriet, men Henrik Stubkjær, der er biskop 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰for Jonas Serner-Pedersen i Viborg Stift, savner ikke en handlingsplan for udsatte præster:
‼‼‼‼‼‼”Der er taget skridt til at hjælpe den pågældende præst, og mit indtryk er, at sagerne vil være så individuelle, at de kan være svære at fange i en enkelt handlingsplan. Men har sagen et omfang som den omtalte sag, vil det være naturligt, at biskoppen indkalder til et samlet møde med de relevante myndigheder, ” siger biskoppen."
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
We here quote an exerpt of this e-mail: https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2016/januar/06-01-2016
In Bishop Peter Fischer- Møller's Press Statement he has a highly arrogant statement, in the section concerning the Pastor as a Candidate of Theology and the importance of the Pastor being educated at a University in order for the interpretation of literatures from the ancient Church and from The Reformation can be of meaning, enlightening and of inspiration to people of today.
Here through this the disciples and the Apostles who were with Jesus are both mocked and abused in a really arrogant way.
They were Fishermen and unlearned men, BUT despite that in one day 5000 men - (and this number might well be without the counting of women and children on that day!)
had their hearts set on fire for JESUS CHRIST and Christianity spread in the region as a CONSEQUENCE of their lived lives as well as their spoken testimonies. This is to be found in The Book Of Acts Chapter 4 verse 1-4.in New Testament http://www.biblestudytools.com/nkjv/acts/passage/?q=acts+4:1-4!
In the statement to the press Bishop Fischer-Møller writes that we are saved by God’s grace alone. During the reformation Dr. Martin Luther was persecuted and many together with him. People suffered death. Martin Luther stood firm on that our salvation solely is by Jesus Christ and the faith in him. The statement to the press professes to a Christian faith which is soul and body as a whole. It is though a different world in relation to the Biblical, where you talk about spirit, soul and body as a whole!!
From an article written by a man, from his Protestant viewpoint
What is the difference between Catholisism and Protestantism?
Christian Hjortkær.
September 20- 2010 and now ....
In Catholisism the focus is on all (our),senses in experiencing the Church, whereas protestantism is empty and white. The theological background reveals the foundation thereof.
When you are entering a catholic church, your senses are activated. Magnificent frescos, mosaics and murals meet the eye; chants meet the ear, and the smell of incense meet the nose. On the contrary, if you walk into a protestant church, the sanctuary is clean and white; the pastor is wearing black, and the only decoration is often a cross or an altar piece.
Why? Because behind these outer sensual experiences of the Church are founded on substantially different theologies. You can classify these differences in three overall points.
1. Authority of the Scripture or the authority of the Pope.
The Roman-Catholic Church claims itself to be the one true inclusive Church. Historically one has read the Gospel of Matthew chapter 16 as the proof of Peter is the elected to be the rock the rock on which the Church is to be built on.
And Peter became as the most important disciple, the first Pope with the Keys to the Gates of the Kingdom of Heaven. Thus, the Church is the visible kingdom of god on earth.
The church is divine because it is ordained by Christ. And there is no salvation outside of this Catholic Church.
In other words, to the Catholics the authority to determine what is truth is in Church and its tradition.
In as late as 1870 the Catholic Church established that the Pope is infallible. Thus what the Pope says can impossibly contravene the Scripture itself. Hereby the Catholic has an immovable assurance in the authority of The Church, which is able to say, what is right or wrong according to Jesus.
However, there is no pope in the Protestant Church and you do not consider any human being to be infallible.
The Reformer, Martin Luther, broke with the Catholic patent of salvation and undermined the ecclesiastical hierarchy at the same time.
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Even though they today again formally seen have both pastors, deans and bishops, there is among Lutherans a conception of a common priesthood. This means that everyone in the case are priests. None is more holy than others are. However, for practical reasons they choose to call someone to be priest for the others.
What then about the authority? How do Protestants know what is good and what is evil? Is then everything equally true? Luther substituted the papal authority with a principle, which he named sola scriptura, that is, scripture alone. There is in other words no authority that is higher than the biblical scripture. As we now all are priests, we must each of us read the Bible and counsel with our conscience in order to understand what Jesus said.
Just because of this, the protestant church is cleared of sensations. As a protestant, you should not be interfered by pictures, smells and sounds. The important is exclusively that you hear and understand the Word that is preached in the sermon.
2. Justification by faith or by works
All of this leads directly to another big difference between the two churches namely the sense of community. In the Catholic Church, you cannot be a Christian alone. Church means in its original meaning Assembly, and therefore the Christian community is built up on good deeds. So there is a very strong link between morality and the grace of God in the Catholic Church. Here it is a matter of course, that God is not the Savior of the one living an immoral life.
In the Protestant Church on the other hand, they have since Luther maintained that the human will is bound. Man is so sinful that he basically can't do anything good. In each case it can absolutely do nothing to save himself. One can therefore not do good acts and in this way make oneself deserving of God's salvation.
The reason that the Protestant Church is pure and white in other words has to do with the notion that man will be saved by faith alone. Salvation is not depending on which church you belong to or which pastor you have. It is only essential whether one is baptized, and that one can hear and understand what is being said in the sermon in order to come to believe in the word of God.
In the reformed church, which is part of Protestantism, they has completely avoided the problem by highlighting the fact that salvation is predetermined. God has simply already predetermined who will be saved and who will perish. The individual can therefore do neither from nor to.
You could say that the downside of the Protestant theology is that it is not specially pedagogical or educational. If we are not saved by good works, then why not just act evil? Here the Catholic Church has a far stronger focus on authority, education and fellowship. On the other hand, one has to put up with, that it's the clergy who tells someone what to think and believe.
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"Catholicism has seven sacraments: Baptism, confirmation, confession, Eucharist, marriage, ordination, and the last rites. But in Protestantism they have limited the number of sacraments to two in the understanding that a sacrament must be instituted by Christ, and, according to Protestants, it is only the case with baptism and communion. Jesus for instance has not said anything about confirmation, and the wedding was, according to Luther a pure cultural or practical measure. It had nothing to do with Jesus, he thought. "
Kirsten Kjærullf, Catholic and debater.
Translated excerpt:
Also the Catholic view of humanity (and understanding nature) is marked by the holism, for not only the soul but also the human body is created to holiness. Despite the fall, man by the grace of God has been given the opportunity to go the way of Holiness in follow of Christ.
Protestantism in its view of human nature is also influenced by the Renaissance fragmentation between the physical and the spiritual. In Luther's very pessimistic view of humanity, there are some similarities with Gnostics’ disregard for the human body and the entire physical world created. Therefore, Luther saw man as radically evil, incapable of doing good deeds.
He writes a famous writing about "The Bondage of the Will," in which he expresses that man can do nothing even for his salvation, but is exclusively dependent on the grace of God. "Justification by deeds" he perceives as arrogance and hypocrisy.
Therefore, the great Catholic Renaissance philosopher, Erasmus of Rotterdam, writes a response to Luther, which he gave the title "The Freedom of the Will": Catholic faith does not say that one can ever justify oneself by doing good deeds, but on the other hand, that faith must necessarily lead to good deeds. Otherwise, it is "a dead faith." Thus, it is a task which Jesus has given to every single human being that he must go the way of Holiness, which is a continuous personal development path in follow of Christ.
Posted on Facebook by Daniela Skov
PROTESTANTISM really does not HAVE ANYTHING TO LET CATHOLICISM TO HEAR.
It is fully in both directions that CHURCH everywhere in the DENOMINATIONS CLAIM to BE the ONLY RIGHT BELIEVERS. OTHERWISE, THE CHURCH WAS NOT DIVIDED INTO SO MANY FACTIONS, EACH WITH ITS OBSESSIONS.
And DIRECTIONS PROHIBITING preachers to speak in their meeting room ‼ ‼ ‼ Or AWARDS SPEECH permission to the preachers, that Church denomination has CHOSEN is the right and true teaching: RECOGNIZED dogmatism ‼
"WE ARE MEMBERS ON THE BODY OF CHRIST" IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.
The TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH, AS MARRIAGE is, AFTER ALL, and AS EPHESIANS TEACHES, IT SAYS DIRECTLY ABOUT MARRIAGE that "I am referring to Christ and the Church. The Church is also called time and time again the BRIDE or the BRIDE of CHRIST.
Therefore, I wonder whether MARTIN LUTHER really claimed "the WEDDING HAD NOTHING to DO with JESUS!"
In general, the CHURCH attaches itself to various CHURCH FATHERS or the Pope as CHURCH'S IDENTIFICATION BASIS is incredibly DIVISIVE and it causes that many just do those, who put their name to it, INFALLIBLE and many do not even seek knowledge of things for themselves, and leave the responsibility for their faith in the pastor’s or leader’s hands. There is then “permission to speak” for those they give the PERMISSION to ENFORCE the SELECTED CORRECT DOCTRINE and FAITH "in our house!" opposite those who say something, which is at risk of the Congregation asking questions and thinking for themselves and seek deeper! ‼ ‼ ‼ ‼
JESUS SAID of himself, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but by me!"
This pastors in Denmark as well as in Sweden have set themselves ABOVE. JESUS here says that HE is our real reality. It is the understanding; it is Truth and really understood at the time as one whole!
In our time PASTORS, without THINKING ABOUT THEIR PRIESTLY VOW and CONFESSIONAL WRITINGS! say that they have come further than JESUS CHRIST.
They know best!
They are wiser and smarter than OUR CREATOR God and smarter and wiser than the CHURCH LORD JESUS CHRIST.
They know best. ‼
Mvh Daniela Skov.
Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen wrote to Lars in a SMS in February 2012: "We must PROTECT the Church. New Christians will not get there if they know what is going on here! "
The Church must EMERGE as infallible ‼ ️ Church is a focal point around itself. The Church is the RELIGION for all the time we read that bishops and pastors as well as pastors in the independent churches talk about and write about CHURCH ‼ ️ Ex Senior pastor Grete Petterson in Kolding Church Centre (Pentecostal Church) said to Daniela Skov in the summer of 2008: "Will you out and gossiping. It is the enemy (from the devil) we must protect the Church! " The same doctrine as the Catholic Church has hidden its misdeeds behind for many many years so that thousands of children were abused by priests in secret!
To our horror we could read in the Newspaper that Bishop Henrik Stubkjær pronounces his full consent to vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen to maintain Police restraining order against Lars Skov Krøgholt and I and that he not at all exhibits actively and thoroughly HIS task of SUPERVISION AS BISHOP under the BISHOP'S CREED, HE HIMSELF HAS PERSONALLY SIGNED. He regards vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen's grossly exaggerated claims that he has now heard from us for 3 years to be trustworthy fully and completely: "
".... It has not been possible to get a comment from the Church Ministry, but Henrik Stubkjær, who is Bishop for Jonas Serner-Pedersen in Viborg Diocese, does not miss an action plan for vulnerable pastors: ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ "Steps have been taken to assist the pastor in question, and it is my impression that the cases will be so individual that they can be difficult to capture in a single plan of action. But if the case has a scope as the mentioned case, it will be natural that the Bishop shall convene a comprehensive meeting with the relevant authorities, "says Bishop."
‼ ️ ‼ ️ ‼ ️ ️www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/chikanerede-praester-mangler-hjaelp ‼
Even JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN'S IMAGINATIVE NARRATIVE that HE BECOMES INUNDATED by SOLICITATIONS FROM US for 3 YEARS and in the FORM of ‼️‼️‼️ "100 SMS per day and answering machine messages 12 hours daily”
It is written without the journalist and the newspaper CRITICALLY AND BASED UPON COMMON SENSE DEMAND DOCUMENTATION FOR SUCH A HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE PERFORMANCE FROM OUR SIDE.
‼ ️ ️ ️ ️ PERFECTLY ‼ ‼ ‼ UNDOABLE DUE to JUST the POLICE ESTRANGEMENT MEASURES AGAINST US.
IF WE DID what HERE is ALLEGED, WE WOULD have BEEN IMPRISONED. ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
IT IS THE ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCE OF THE POLICE ESTRANGEMENT MEASURES. WE HAVE ALREADY PAID ️ ‼ FINANCIAL PENALTIES and ‼ ️ ️ ‼WE HAVE BEEN in court ️ ‼ in EARLY SUMMER 2013 and we have experienced, because the POLICE MADE CLEAR TO US ‼ ️ ️ ️ THAT WHAT WE STOOD in FROM HIM, WE THOUGHT was OUR friend in KOLDING, REALLY was AS IT was, that he was completely indifferent to whether we could be risking imprisonment ultimately, for asking him to take care of a SMALL 15 MINUTE PAPER WORK.
FOR This he was under criticism by “KOLDING VALGMENIGHED” church’s LEADERSHIP: in JONAS'S OWN statements: "I'm no good at administrative work!" and Daniela's son, Kenneth took Jonas in defense opposite BO CHRISTENSEN, who ALONG with PRESIDENT ERLING HÜBSCHMANN BROKE DOWN THE CHURCH’S PASTOR with BULLYING FOR a YEAR and a HALF.
Kenneth: "It looks as though you expect JONAS to perform two full-time jobs. What about hiring someone for administrative tasks? "
Jonas was glad that Kenneth supported him and that Kenneth meant it and said it, and Jonas told it to me, and he also told me, Daniela Skov in early summer 2012 that: "it was also how he sees it!"
Supervision and support from BISHOP KARSTEN NISSEN, and LATER the VIBORG DIOCESE CURRENT BISHOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR
for a pastor, who of course, necessarily also as KEEPER OF CHURCH RECORDS IN HJERM, MUST BE ABLE TO RESPONSIBLY TAKE CARE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
In the winter of 2013 at the LATEST: "Next time it's jail!" OF COURSE WE HAVE NOT CONTACTED JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN SINCE THEN.
In OTHER WORDS, SINCE WINTER 2013. IT is a DECEITFUL ASSERTION that HE HAS RECEIVED MESSAGES FROM US NOW for 3 years. AS WELL as THE COMPLETELY ABSURD NUMBERS. I am convinced that the vicar JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN HAD CONTINUED to CALL the middle-and-WEST JUTLAND POLICE IF MATTERS STOOD AS HE SAID. NOT ONLY USE newspaper “Kristeligt Dagblad” TO GET A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE OUT. IT WAS TAKEN UP BY Kristeligt Dagblad WITHOUT THEY HAVE SPOKEN WITH US BEFORE, NOR SINCE APOLOGIZED TO US AND PUBLICLY DISAVOW WHAT THEY ALLOWED TO BLACKEN CITIZENS IN DENMARK WITH. VICAR JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN HAD PROBABLY LONG SINCE GOTTEN SECRET PHONE NUMBER because HE could NOT CARRY OUT HIS WORK UNDER THESE HIS SELF-PROCLAIMED TERRIBLE CONDITIONS.
And I WONDER IF Lars Skov Krøgholt THEN was in WORK FIRST in GADEMIX, KOLDING and NOW on BRÆNDKJÆR SCHOOL AS AMONG OTHERS SUBSTITUTE TEACHER, IF HE WAS SITTING CARPET BOMBING JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN with SMS and VOICE MESSAGES 12 hours per day and 100 daily SMS. PLEASE CONTACT THE TWO JOBS IN DENMARK, BISHOP HENRY STUBKJÆR IN THE COURSE OF SUPERVISION AND RESPONSIBILITY! As Well As TO NOTICE, IF YOU OTHERWISE ARE TALKING TO THE VICAR IN HJERM PARISH OF THE DIOCESE OF VIBORG, AS YOU ARE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUPERVISION, if HIS PHONE is RINGING CONTINUOUSLY AND A CASCADE SHOWER OF SMS are coming FROM ME, DANIELA SKOV?
LIKEWISE, IT is to WRITE and SMEAR CITIZENS in NEWSPAPER Kristeligt Dagblad, as well as DESTROYING TWO DANISH CITIZENS' CREDIBILITY in SOUTHEAST JUTLAND and MID- AND WEST JUTLAND POLICE AS are WE guilty of "SPREADING MALICIOUS GOSSIP" (Jonas Serner-Pedersen's writing and from his UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATION against us) and exhibit Daniela Skov with a stalker's identity throughout Denmark FROM 2012 is NOT legal in DENMARK.
WAS ALL IT LEGAL WOULD THE POLICE
DEFINITELY HAVE TO COMPLY TO THE STATE ATTORNEY VIBORG'S INJUNCTIVE RELIEF,
IT IS IN YOUR DIOCESE, VIBORG, BISHOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR,
And POLICE WOULD NOT HAVE CHOSEN to PROTECT THE CHURCH ‼ ️ ️ ️ with YOU ‼ ‼ and VICAR JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN.
In the ruling, which we got at the Court in HOLSTEBRO in 2013 it says that we have told that the Vicar of HJERM PARISH, JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN WOULD COVER UP the ILLEGALITIES and that HE HIMSELF has stated that WE SHOULD PROTECT the CHURCH ️ ‼
DID WE LIE IN COURT?
DO YOU MEAN, BISHOP OF VIBORG HENRIK STUBKJÆR THAT LARS SKOV KRØGHOLT AND DANIELA SKOV LIED ABOUT YOUR VICAR IN HJERM PARISH JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN IN THE COURT IN HOLSTEBRO?
EQUALLY TO ALL BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH IN DENMARK:
DID WE LIE IN COURT?
JUDGMENT OF THE COURT OF FIRST INSTANCE IN HOLSTEBRO WAS WRITTEN AFTER WHAT WE EXPECT WAS A LEGAL COURT HEARING! ‼ ️‼️‼️
Bishop
Bishop Henry Stubkjær the diocese is the top authority in ecclesiastical questions, and is selected for that purpose by the diocese church council members.
‼ ️ ‼ ️ ️ ️ This involves ‼ ‼ that the Bishop supervises. ‼ ️ ‼ ️ ‼ ️ ️ ️ ️ Supervision ‼ ‼ ‼ includes doctrine, preaching, church life and the framework for this. That is to say that supervision does not only apply to the priests officiate, but church-life and ecclesiastical life in the broad sense of the word. ‼️‼️
‼️‼️‼️ A Bishop is appointed after an election in which all members of church councils and pastors in the diocese, can field candidates and have the right to vote. After setting from the Church Minister will bishops be royally appointed. ‼️‼️‼️
Bishop Henry Stubkjær was installed as Bishop of Viborg Diocese on 26. November 2014.
Along with “stiftamtmanden” the Bishop is the Diocesan Magistrates, which constitutes the highest authority in the Diocese in economic and in a number of administrative issues.
Contact Bishop
Bishop Henry Stubkjær can be contacted by phone at 86,620,911 or mobile 23,296,600
E-mail: kmvib@km.dk or hes@km.dk
DID WE LIE IN COURT
THIS THE PRESENT BISHOP OF VIBORG HENRIK STUBKJÆR AND VICAR IN HJERM PARISH JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN MUST, OF COURSE, BE IN AGREEMENT OF IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING IN THE Kristeligt Dagblad NEWSPAPER ️ ️ ️ ‼ ‼
FOR ALL OF THE OTHER BISHOPS IN DENMARK: DID WE LIE IN COURT?
FOR BISHOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR HAS AFTER TESTIMONY IN KRISTELIGT DAGBLAD SAID WHAT HE STANDS FOR AND YOU ARE, OF COURSE, COLLEAGUES WITH HIM, AND UNDER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHURCH IN DENMARK IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR BISHOP CREED AND THIS CASE IS OUT IN ALL YOUR DIOCESES AND WITH YOUR COWORKERS IN THE CATHEDRALS AS WELL AS GENERALLY KNOWN IN DENMARK AND IN NATIONS WHERE THERE ARE NEWSPAPERS RECEIVING FROM "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION!"
Is the Church as YOU are BISHOPS and SUPERVISOR IN under her MAJESTY QUEEN MARGRETHE and DURING OUR PRIME MINISTER and CHURCH MINISTER AS WELL AS MINISTER OF JUSTICE and MINISTER of FINANCE and MINISTER of the INTERIOR-probably the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT in DENMARK – is it CONFINED to YOUR OWN SMALL CIRCLE:
The 4-5 PERCENT of DENMARK'S POPULATION, WHO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in CHURCH ACTIVITIES?
Or what about the perhaps 75 PERCENT or WHATEVER the EXACT NUMBER is-OVER 4 MILLION of OUR FELLOW CITIZENS in OUR COMMON NATION DENMARK WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE STATE CHURCH
THEY SEEM TO HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO BISHOPS' FULL DISCLAIMER FROM COMPLYING WITH THE BISHOP’S CREED YOU YOURSELF HAVE SIGNED!!! ‼ ️ ️ ️ and as you ‼ ‼ do not talk about in public, so that newspapers and TV news in DENMARK and POSSIBLE UNFORTUNATELY TOO OUR NATION’S CHURCH MINISTER at the party VENSTRE, BERTEL HAARDER
ATTACH IT ANY WEIGHT AND THEREFORE CONCERNED THAT
THE BISHOP CREED ACTUALLY EXISTS
NOT ONLY THE PRIESTLY CREED.
BUT SEE BISHOP KARSTEN NISSEN,
REQUIREMENTS to PAY CHURCH TAX UNDER the PROTECTION FROM knowing what is GOING on in the Church UNTIL NOW ‼ ️ ️ ️ FOR ️ ‼ ‼ ‼ vicar in HJERM PARISH UNDER the DIOCESE of VIBORG and STRUER DEANERY, JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN DECIDED in February 2012 and written HIS NARRATIVE in a SMS:
"WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CHURCH. NEW CHRISTIAN (BAPTIZED???) WILL NOT GET THERE, IF THEY KNOW what's GOING on HERE ️ "‼
‼️‼️‼️
www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/chikanerede-praester-mangler-hjaelp
"‼️‼️‼️
".... It has not been possible to get a comment from the Church Ministry, but Henrik Stubkjær, who is the Bishop of Jonas Serner-Pedersen of Viborg Stift, does not miss an action plan for vulnerable priests:
‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ "Steps have been taken to assist the pastor in question, and my impression is that the cases will be so individual that they can be difficult to capture in a single plan of action. But when the case has a scope as the mentioned case, it will be natural that the Bishop shall convene a comprehensive meeting with the relevant authorities, "says Bishop." http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-faith/harassed-praester-missing-means
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
What is the difference between Catholisism and Protestantism?
Christian Hjortkær.
September 20- 2010 and now ....
In Catholisism the focus is on all (our),senses in experiencing the Church, whereas protestantism is empty and white. The theological background reveals the foundation thereof.
When you are entering a catholic church, your senses are activated. Magnificent frescos, mosaics and murals meet the eye; chants meet the ear, and the smell of incense meet the nose. On the contrary, if you walk into a protestant church, the sanctuary is clean and white; the pastor is wearing black, and the only decoration is often a cross or an altar piece.
Why? Because behind these outer sensual experiences of the Church are founded on substantially different theologies. You can classify these differences in three overall points.
1. Authority of the Scripture or the authority of the Pope.
The Roman-Catholic Church claims itself to be the one true inclusive Church. Historically one has read the Gospel of Matthew chapter 16 as the proof of Peter is the elected to be the rock the rock on which the Church is to be built on.
And Peter became as the most important disciple, the first Pope with the Keys to the Gates of the Kingdom of Heaven. Thus, the Church is the visible kingdom of god on earth.
The church is divine because it is ordained by Christ. And there is no salvation outside of this Catholic Church.
In other words, to the Catholics the authority to determine what is truth is in Church and its tradition.
In as late as 1870 the Catholic Church established that the Pope is infallible. Thus what the Pope says can impossibly contravene the Scripture itself. Hereby the Catholic has an immovable assurance in the authority of The Church, which is able to say, what is right or wrong according to Jesus.
However, there is no pope in the Protestant Church and you do not consider any human being to be infallible.
The Reformer, Martin Luther, broke with the Catholic patent of salvation and undermined the ecclesiastical hierarchy at the same time.
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Even though they today again formally seen have both pastors, deans and bishops, there is among Lutherans a conception of a common priesthood. This means that everyone in the case are priests. None is more holy than others are. However, for practical reasons they choose to call someone to be priest for the others.
What then about the authority? How do Protestants know what is good and what is evil? Is then everything equally true? Luther substituted the papal authority with a principle, which he named sola scriptura, that is, scripture alone. There is in other words no authority that is higher than the biblical scripture. As we now all are priests, we must each of us read the Bible and counsel with our conscience in order to understand what Jesus said.
Just because of this, the protestant church is cleared of sensations. As a protestant, you should not be interfered by pictures, smells and sounds. The important is exclusively that you hear and understand the Word that is preached in the sermon.
2. Justification by faith or by works
All of this leads directly to another big difference between the two churches namely the sense of community. In the Catholic Church, you cannot be a Christian alone. Church means in its original meaning Assembly, and therefore the Christian community is built up on good deeds. So there is a very strong link between morality and the grace of God in the Catholic Church. Here it is a matter of course, that God is not the Savior of the one living an immoral life.
In the Protestant Church on the other hand, they have since Luther maintained that the human will is bound. Man is so sinful that he basically can't do anything good. In each case it can absolutely do nothing to save himself. One can therefore not do good acts and in this way make oneself deserving of God's salvation.
The reason that the Protestant Church is pure and white in other words has to do with the notion that man will be saved by faith alone. Salvation is not depending on which church you belong to or which pastor you have. It is only essential whether one is baptized, and that one can hear and understand what is being said in the sermon in order to come to believe in the word of God.
In the reformed church, which is part of Protestantism, they has completely avoided the problem by highlighting the fact that salvation is predetermined. God has simply already predetermined who will be saved and who will perish. The individual can therefore do neither from nor to.
You could say that the downside of the Protestant theology is that it is not specially pedagogical or educational. If we are not saved by good works, then why not just act evil? Here the Catholic Church has a far stronger focus on authority, education and fellowship. On the other hand, one has to put up with, that it's the clergy who tells someone what to think and believe.
(….)
"Catholicism has seven sacraments: Baptism, confirmation, confession, Eucharist, marriage, ordination, and the last rites. But in Protestantism they have limited the number of sacraments to two in the understanding that a sacrament must be instituted by Christ, and, according to Protestants, it is only the case with baptism and communion. Jesus for instance has not said anything about confirmation, and the wedding was, according to Luther a pure cultural or practical measure. It had nothing to do with Jesus, he thought. "
An article written by a woman, from her catholic viewpoint
Kirsten Kjærullf, Catholic and debater.
Translated excerpt:
Also the Catholic view of humanity (and understanding nature) is marked by the holism, for not only the soul but also the human body is created to holiness. Despite the fall, man by the grace of God has been given the opportunity to go the way of Holiness in follow of Christ.
Protestantism in its view of human nature is also influenced by the Renaissance fragmentation between the physical and the spiritual. In Luther's very pessimistic view of humanity, there are some similarities with Gnostics’ disregard for the human body and the entire physical world created. Therefore, Luther saw man as radically evil, incapable of doing good deeds.
He writes a famous writing about "The Bondage of the Will," in which he expresses that man can do nothing even for his salvation, but is exclusively dependent on the grace of God. "Justification by deeds" he perceives as arrogance and hypocrisy.
Therefore, the great Catholic Renaissance philosopher, Erasmus of Rotterdam, writes a response to Luther, which he gave the title "The Freedom of the Will": Catholic faith does not say that one can ever justify oneself by doing good deeds, but on the other hand, that faith must necessarily lead to good deeds. Otherwise, it is "a dead faith." Thus, it is a task which Jesus has given to every single human being that he must go the way of Holiness, which is a continuous personal development path in follow of Christ.
Posted on Facebook by Daniela Skov
PROTESTANTISM really does not HAVE ANYTHING TO LET CATHOLICISM TO HEAR.
It is fully in both directions that CHURCH everywhere in the DENOMINATIONS CLAIM to BE the ONLY RIGHT BELIEVERS. OTHERWISE, THE CHURCH WAS NOT DIVIDED INTO SO MANY FACTIONS, EACH WITH ITS OBSESSIONS.
And DIRECTIONS PROHIBITING preachers to speak in their meeting room ‼ ‼ ‼ Or AWARDS SPEECH permission to the preachers, that Church denomination has CHOSEN is the right and true teaching: RECOGNIZED dogmatism ‼
"WE ARE MEMBERS ON THE BODY OF CHRIST" IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.
The TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH, AS MARRIAGE is, AFTER ALL, and AS EPHESIANS TEACHES, IT SAYS DIRECTLY ABOUT MARRIAGE that "I am referring to Christ and the Church. The Church is also called time and time again the BRIDE or the BRIDE of CHRIST.
Therefore, I wonder whether MARTIN LUTHER really claimed "the WEDDING HAD NOTHING to DO with JESUS!"
In general, the CHURCH attaches itself to various CHURCH FATHERS or the Pope as CHURCH'S IDENTIFICATION BASIS is incredibly DIVISIVE and it causes that many just do those, who put their name to it, INFALLIBLE and many do not even seek knowledge of things for themselves, and leave the responsibility for their faith in the pastor’s or leader’s hands. There is then “permission to speak” for those they give the PERMISSION to ENFORCE the SELECTED CORRECT DOCTRINE and FAITH "in our house!" opposite those who say something, which is at risk of the Congregation asking questions and thinking for themselves and seek deeper! ‼ ‼ ‼ ‼
JESUS SAID of himself, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but by me!"
This pastors in Denmark as well as in Sweden have set themselves ABOVE. JESUS here says that HE is our real reality. It is the understanding; it is Truth and really understood at the time as one whole!
In our time PASTORS, without THINKING ABOUT THEIR PRIESTLY VOW and CONFESSIONAL WRITINGS! say that they have come further than JESUS CHRIST.
They know best!
They are wiser and smarter than OUR CREATOR God and smarter and wiser than the CHURCH LORD JESUS CHRIST.
They know best. ‼
Mvh Daniela Skov.
Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen wrote to Lars in a SMS in February 2012: "We must PROTECT the Church. New Christians will not get there if they know what is going on here! "
The Church must EMERGE as infallible ‼ ️ Church is a focal point around itself. The Church is the RELIGION for all the time we read that bishops and pastors as well as pastors in the independent churches talk about and write about CHURCH ‼ ️ Ex Senior pastor Grete Petterson in Kolding Church Centre (Pentecostal Church) said to Daniela Skov in the summer of 2008: "Will you out and gossiping. It is the enemy (from the devil) we must protect the Church! " The same doctrine as the Catholic Church has hidden its misdeeds behind for many many years so that thousands of children were abused by priests in secret!
To our horror we could read in the Newspaper that Bishop Henrik Stubkjær pronounces his full consent to vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen to maintain Police restraining order against Lars Skov Krøgholt and I and that he not at all exhibits actively and thoroughly HIS task of SUPERVISION AS BISHOP under the BISHOP'S CREED, HE HIMSELF HAS PERSONALLY SIGNED. He regards vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen's grossly exaggerated claims that he has now heard from us for 3 years to be trustworthy fully and completely: "
".... It has not been possible to get a comment from the Church Ministry, but Henrik Stubkjær, who is Bishop for Jonas Serner-Pedersen in Viborg Diocese, does not miss an action plan for vulnerable pastors: ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ "Steps have been taken to assist the pastor in question, and it is my impression that the cases will be so individual that they can be difficult to capture in a single plan of action. But if the case has a scope as the mentioned case, it will be natural that the Bishop shall convene a comprehensive meeting with the relevant authorities, "says Bishop."
‼ ️ ‼ ️ ‼ ️ ️www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/chikanerede-praester-mangler-hjaelp ‼
Even JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN'S IMAGINATIVE NARRATIVE that HE BECOMES INUNDATED by SOLICITATIONS FROM US for 3 YEARS and in the FORM of ‼️‼️‼️ "100 SMS per day and answering machine messages 12 hours daily”
It is written without the journalist and the newspaper CRITICALLY AND BASED UPON COMMON SENSE DEMAND DOCUMENTATION FOR SUCH A HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE PERFORMANCE FROM OUR SIDE.
‼ ️ ️ ️ ️ PERFECTLY ‼ ‼ ‼ UNDOABLE DUE to JUST the POLICE ESTRANGEMENT MEASURES AGAINST US.
IF WE DID what HERE is ALLEGED, WE WOULD have BEEN IMPRISONED. ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
IT IS THE ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCE OF THE POLICE ESTRANGEMENT MEASURES. WE HAVE ALREADY PAID ️ ‼ FINANCIAL PENALTIES and ‼ ️ ️ ‼WE HAVE BEEN in court ️ ‼ in EARLY SUMMER 2013 and we have experienced, because the POLICE MADE CLEAR TO US ‼ ️ ️ ️ THAT WHAT WE STOOD in FROM HIM, WE THOUGHT was OUR friend in KOLDING, REALLY was AS IT was, that he was completely indifferent to whether we could be risking imprisonment ultimately, for asking him to take care of a SMALL 15 MINUTE PAPER WORK.
FOR This he was under criticism by “KOLDING VALGMENIGHED” church’s LEADERSHIP: in JONAS'S OWN statements: "I'm no good at administrative work!" and Daniela's son, Kenneth took Jonas in defense opposite BO CHRISTENSEN, who ALONG with PRESIDENT ERLING HÜBSCHMANN BROKE DOWN THE CHURCH’S PASTOR with BULLYING FOR a YEAR and a HALF.
Kenneth: "It looks as though you expect JONAS to perform two full-time jobs. What about hiring someone for administrative tasks? "
Jonas was glad that Kenneth supported him and that Kenneth meant it and said it, and Jonas told it to me, and he also told me, Daniela Skov in early summer 2012 that: "it was also how he sees it!"
Supervision and support from BISHOP KARSTEN NISSEN, and LATER the VIBORG DIOCESE CURRENT BISHOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR
for a pastor, who of course, necessarily also as KEEPER OF CHURCH RECORDS IN HJERM, MUST BE ABLE TO RESPONSIBLY TAKE CARE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
In the winter of 2013 at the LATEST: "Next time it's jail!" OF COURSE WE HAVE NOT CONTACTED JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN SINCE THEN.
In OTHER WORDS, SINCE WINTER 2013. IT is a DECEITFUL ASSERTION that HE HAS RECEIVED MESSAGES FROM US NOW for 3 years. AS WELL as THE COMPLETELY ABSURD NUMBERS. I am convinced that the vicar JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN HAD CONTINUED to CALL the middle-and-WEST JUTLAND POLICE IF MATTERS STOOD AS HE SAID. NOT ONLY USE newspaper “Kristeligt Dagblad” TO GET A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE OUT. IT WAS TAKEN UP BY Kristeligt Dagblad WITHOUT THEY HAVE SPOKEN WITH US BEFORE, NOR SINCE APOLOGIZED TO US AND PUBLICLY DISAVOW WHAT THEY ALLOWED TO BLACKEN CITIZENS IN DENMARK WITH. VICAR JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN HAD PROBABLY LONG SINCE GOTTEN SECRET PHONE NUMBER because HE could NOT CARRY OUT HIS WORK UNDER THESE HIS SELF-PROCLAIMED TERRIBLE CONDITIONS.
And I WONDER IF Lars Skov Krøgholt THEN was in WORK FIRST in GADEMIX, KOLDING and NOW on BRÆNDKJÆR SCHOOL AS AMONG OTHERS SUBSTITUTE TEACHER, IF HE WAS SITTING CARPET BOMBING JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN with SMS and VOICE MESSAGES 12 hours per day and 100 daily SMS. PLEASE CONTACT THE TWO JOBS IN DENMARK, BISHOP HENRY STUBKJÆR IN THE COURSE OF SUPERVISION AND RESPONSIBILITY! As Well As TO NOTICE, IF YOU OTHERWISE ARE TALKING TO THE VICAR IN HJERM PARISH OF THE DIOCESE OF VIBORG, AS YOU ARE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUPERVISION, if HIS PHONE is RINGING CONTINUOUSLY AND A CASCADE SHOWER OF SMS are coming FROM ME, DANIELA SKOV?
LIKEWISE, IT is to WRITE and SMEAR CITIZENS in NEWSPAPER Kristeligt Dagblad, as well as DESTROYING TWO DANISH CITIZENS' CREDIBILITY in SOUTHEAST JUTLAND and MID- AND WEST JUTLAND POLICE AS are WE guilty of "SPREADING MALICIOUS GOSSIP" (Jonas Serner-Pedersen's writing and from his UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATION against us) and exhibit Daniela Skov with a stalker's identity throughout Denmark FROM 2012 is NOT legal in DENMARK.
WAS ALL IT LEGAL WOULD THE POLICE
DEFINITELY HAVE TO COMPLY TO THE STATE ATTORNEY VIBORG'S INJUNCTIVE RELIEF,
Report of Safety and opinions of police and Legal Courts System. http://www.justitsministeriet.dk/sites/default/files/media/Pressemeddelelser/pdf/2015/ESS%2520rapport%25202015%2520%25282%2529.pdf
A survey is the reason for a statement from our Minister of JUSTICE, Søren Pind who HIMSELF recently DECLARED that IT IS TIME TO SCRUTINIZE ALL THE CASES WHERE POLICE ARE LYING! What happened to THIS PROMISE . What about ALL the QUESTIONS NEVER ASKED IN COLLECTING DATA TO THE EUROPEAN SOCIAL SURVEY!
Serious LIES AND THE HIDING OF POLICEmen's IDENTITY SO THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO BE MADE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE
DARKNESS
WHICH CAUSES MANY CITIZENS ! EVEN IN (HAPPY -) -DENMARK OF OUR LEGAL RIGHTS!!!!
Minister Of JUSTICE Søren Pind says :
" It makes me glad , that we in Denmark trust in our authorities and that we have a society generally spoken , where we trust each other. This kind of trust is the seed of our community. We Danes know, that our police and legal system was brought into existence in order to help and protect us.
We are living in a time of tremendous challenges, but the figures here (in survey made by European Social Survey! ) shows that the Danes agree to, police and legal system basically are doing a good job!"
IT IS IN YOUR DIOCESE, VIBORG, BISHOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR,
And POLICE WOULD NOT HAVE CHOSEN to PROTECT THE CHURCH ‼ ️ ️ ️ with YOU ‼ ‼ and VICAR JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN.
In the ruling, which we got at the Court in HOLSTEBRO in 2013 it says that we have told that the Vicar of HJERM PARISH, JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN WOULD COVER UP the ILLEGALITIES and that HE HIMSELF has stated that WE SHOULD PROTECT the CHURCH ️ ‼
DID WE LIE IN COURT?
DO YOU MEAN, BISHOP OF VIBORG HENRIK STUBKJÆR THAT LARS SKOV KRØGHOLT AND DANIELA SKOV LIED ABOUT YOUR VICAR IN HJERM PARISH JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN IN THE COURT IN HOLSTEBRO?
EQUALLY TO ALL BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH IN DENMARK:
DID WE LIE IN COURT?
JUDGMENT OF THE COURT OF FIRST INSTANCE IN HOLSTEBRO WAS WRITTEN AFTER WHAT WE EXPECT WAS A LEGAL COURT HEARING! ‼ ️‼️‼️
Bishop
Bishop Henry Stubkjær the diocese is the top authority in ecclesiastical questions, and is selected for that purpose by the diocese church council members.
‼ ️ ‼ ️ ️ ️ This involves ‼ ‼ that the Bishop supervises. ‼ ️ ‼ ️ ‼ ️ ️ ️ ️ Supervision ‼ ‼ ‼ includes doctrine, preaching, church life and the framework for this. That is to say that supervision does not only apply to the priests officiate, but church-life and ecclesiastical life in the broad sense of the word. ‼️‼️
‼️‼️‼️ A Bishop is appointed after an election in which all members of church councils and pastors in the diocese, can field candidates and have the right to vote. After setting from the Church Minister will bishops be royally appointed. ‼️‼️‼️
Bishop Henry Stubkjær was installed as Bishop of Viborg Diocese on 26. November 2014.
Along with “stiftamtmanden” the Bishop is the Diocesan Magistrates, which constitutes the highest authority in the Diocese in economic and in a number of administrative issues.
Contact Bishop
Bishop Henry Stubkjær can be contacted by phone at 86,620,911 or mobile 23,296,600
E-mail: kmvib@km.dk or hes@km.dk
DID WE LIE IN COURT
THIS THE PRESENT BISHOP OF VIBORG HENRIK STUBKJÆR AND VICAR IN HJERM PARISH JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN MUST, OF COURSE, BE IN AGREEMENT OF IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING IN THE Kristeligt Dagblad NEWSPAPER ️ ️ ️ ‼ ‼
FOR ALL OF THE OTHER BISHOPS IN DENMARK: DID WE LIE IN COURT?
FOR BISHOP HENRIK STUBKJÆR HAS AFTER TESTIMONY IN KRISTELIGT DAGBLAD SAID WHAT HE STANDS FOR AND YOU ARE, OF COURSE, COLLEAGUES WITH HIM, AND UNDER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHURCH IN DENMARK IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR BISHOP CREED AND THIS CASE IS OUT IN ALL YOUR DIOCESES AND WITH YOUR COWORKERS IN THE CATHEDRALS AS WELL AS GENERALLY KNOWN IN DENMARK AND IN NATIONS WHERE THERE ARE NEWSPAPERS RECEIVING FROM "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION!"
Is the Church as YOU are BISHOPS and SUPERVISOR IN under her MAJESTY QUEEN MARGRETHE and DURING OUR PRIME MINISTER and CHURCH MINISTER AS WELL AS MINISTER OF JUSTICE and MINISTER of FINANCE and MINISTER of the INTERIOR-probably the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT in DENMARK – is it CONFINED to YOUR OWN SMALL CIRCLE:
The 4-5 PERCENT of DENMARK'S POPULATION, WHO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in CHURCH ACTIVITIES?
Or what about the perhaps 75 PERCENT or WHATEVER the EXACT NUMBER is-OVER 4 MILLION of OUR FELLOW CITIZENS in OUR COMMON NATION DENMARK WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE STATE CHURCH
THEY SEEM TO HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO BISHOPS' FULL DISCLAIMER FROM COMPLYING WITH THE BISHOP’S CREED YOU YOURSELF HAVE SIGNED!!! ‼ ️ ️ ️ and as you ‼ ‼ do not talk about in public, so that newspapers and TV news in DENMARK and POSSIBLE UNFORTUNATELY TOO OUR NATION’S CHURCH MINISTER at the party VENSTRE, BERTEL HAARDER
ATTACH IT ANY WEIGHT AND THEREFORE CONCERNED THAT
THE BISHOP CREED ACTUALLY EXISTS
NOT ONLY THE PRIESTLY CREED.
BUT SEE BISHOP KARSTEN NISSEN,
REQUIREMENTS to PAY CHURCH TAX UNDER the PROTECTION FROM knowing what is GOING on in the Church UNTIL NOW ‼ ️ ️ ️ FOR ️ ‼ ‼ ‼ vicar in HJERM PARISH UNDER the DIOCESE of VIBORG and STRUER DEANERY, JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN DECIDED in February 2012 and written HIS NARRATIVE in a SMS:
"WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CHURCH. NEW CHRISTIAN (BAPTIZED???) WILL NOT GET THERE, IF THEY KNOW what's GOING on HERE ️ "‼
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www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/chikanerede-praester-mangler-hjaelp
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".... It has not been possible to get a comment from the Church Ministry, but Henrik Stubkjær, who is the Bishop of Jonas Serner-Pedersen of Viborg Stift, does not miss an action plan for vulnerable priests:
‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ "Steps have been taken to assist the pastor in question, and my impression is that the cases will be so individual that they can be difficult to capture in a single plan of action. But when the case has a scope as the mentioned case, it will be natural that the Bishop shall convene a comprehensive meeting with the relevant authorities, "says Bishop." http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-faith/harassed-praester-missing-means