Open letter to Church minister Marianne Jelved
Your Majesty!
Dear Church minister Marianne Jelved!
"Hallowed be your name ...."-Jesus Christ. Gospel of Matthew 6: 9-13
Heaven's SATIRE?
The Lord's Prayer
Per Ramsdals Mentor speaks right out:
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/ramsdal-sagen/ramsdals-menighed-tager-bladet-fra-munden
Per Ramsdals mentor Theodor J: Resurrection of Jesus is not physically
Leader in Kristeligt Dagblad: A punishment of the people's Church
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/leder/en-afklapsning-af-folkekirken
Here is the full text of the Copenhagen Diocesan press release about Ramsdal
Here is the full text of the Copenhagen Diocesan press release about Ramsdal
Have we come further than before the Reformation?
Paul's letter to the Galatians 5: 1
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."
Paul's letter to the Galatians 3: 1-11
" O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?.
.. But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith. '.
Once again, have been on the pitch in accordance the Scriptures confessional to your, Marianne Jelved's confidence in the supervision, which Bishop of the Diocese of Copenhagen gives to, among other pastors. Pastor Per Ramsdal, "She emphasizes that any pastor ordained in the Church of Denmark must be able to vouch for the creed, but has" full confidence "in the Bishop's supervision in this case." "– Kristeligt Dagblad 21. January 2015.
In this context, the undersigned have some questions.
In the pastor’s vow it is written:
"I N.N., which is legally called for......... and in my conscience know me free from having used any dishonest means in order to get into this Office, promises before the omniscient God's face:
First: I endeavor to proclaim the word of God cleanly, as found in the prophetic and Apostolic Scriptures and in the symbolic books of our Danish Evangelical Lutheran Church, with all awe and propriety in managing the Holy sacraments according to Christ's Ordinance, and as well here as in the other sacred acts perform everything in accordance with the applicable regulations of the State Church.
Still: I after ability will thwart abuse of Holy grace means and combat such teachings, which are contrary to the State Church creed; and that I will faithfully work for Christian youth teaching and guidance.
Finally: that I will strive, by diligent and serious scrutiny of the word of God and the sacred teachings of faith, always more perfectly being formed and make myself apt for this sacred Office, and I will strive, as befits a servant of the Word, to be a good example for the congregation. I will also in the performance of my service in its different parts with all guilty obedience be in right standing to the ecclesiastical laws and decrees. Against superiors and peers in the calling demonstrate such a code of conduct that there be no reason to give in complaints against me. All of this I promise in sight of the accounting day conscientiously to respect, according to the grace that God would give me."
Daniela Skov has put the following on Facebook and sent ig to Poul Joachim Stender as a reply to a discussion post in Kristeligt Dagblad the 3. December 2014 "Stender: secret plan to separate the Church from the State".
The debate post is initiated by Poul Joachim Stender as follows:
"There is no conspiracy. And yet I see a conspiracy. There is a secret plan for the Church's separation from the State.
Step by step it must be implemented. Maybe somewhere in the country a Council is seated named DSS, the Danish State Church's Separation from the State, working to really make a divorce between Church and State. Step one in the plan was to get the Church's confirmation lessons posted outside school hours.
It succeeded with the school reform. So long teaching takes place within the schools' teaching time, there is a link between Church and State. This bond is cut as an umbilical cord by putting confirmation preparation at the late afternoon, where the pupils are dog-tired, or will have to say no to some of their recreational activities."
To name candidates for confirmation hostages in a secret plan in my opinion is to take State-Church-cohesion rather solemnly. Everywhere in our society we are in processes of change and changes are not at THREAT LEVEL: all or nothing! If it says, for example, human tragedy as the threat level the Church and the State were to be in divorce! Stender’s shout out reminds me of children being hostages in father and mother's difficult divorce! Is it a hostage drama that traditions in society will be CHALLENGED!? We parents must surely on the pitch now, for our children are not candidates for confirmation due to the CHURCH'S maintenance of traditions! A pastor or a governmental institution must not be allowed to use our young people as hostages in the Church struggle against change! Is it essentially not just the fear of no one coming to the church service, which so massively is burdening the Church's clergy Stender:
"But the last word is not said in this case. When steps 1 and 2 are carried out, step three is getting operational. The road is paved for to go ahead with the constitutional amendment needed to get a divorce between Church and State. And currently the candidates for confirmation become hostages in this hidden game. "
I Lars Skov Krøgholt also believe that if the teenagers want to become confirmed they will in all probability also come for lessons. There will, of course, always be recreational activities to go to after school.
And so the Ramsdal affair:
Here says Bishop for Diocese of Copenhagen Peter Skov-Jakobsen "Who has asked someone to talk about creation and resurrection and prayer, as if it were fact? The resurrection grabs you with faith, and one is inside the completely other poetic-mythical dimensions. I believe that Jesus arose from the dead. But keep me from life with all the talk about biology and physics”, writes Bishop of Copenhagen after the decision in Ramsdal affair "(Kristeligt Dagblad January 21, 2015).
What does supervision from even a person who is high in the ranks of the Church, when he so audaciously allows himself to be free from facts, biology and physics. It may come as no surprise to anyone that the so-called Ramsdal case so quickly was resolved. The Church has once again awarded one of his blessings so generously! Strange that it's so important for the clergy to be in the so-called church with a GOD who SHOULD NOT DELUDE HIMSELF into BEING FLESH BLOOD and facts!
Is God so just alive in the memory?
First, he became human in Christ! Then he was CRUCIFIED! And was he then what we hear in films, when, for example, a parent dies: "xxx will always love you, and remember that every time you think of xxx, she's up there and.."
If Jesus has not arisen! Yes! But then God is really dead! Is God dead, what are we going to with the Church? 1kor. 15: 12-19 “Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. " Can he explain that he believes that God is dead? If Bishop S-J believes God is dead, what does he want the Church for, what are we then to use the Church for?
If one part of the Godhead is dead, if Jesus Christ, the son of God did not arise bodily, how can the second part then be alive?
I Lars Skov Krøgholt is appalled that Copenhagen Bishop Peter Skov-J intersects the concrete testimony out of the Bible. Jesus made food (freshly caught fish) to himself and the disciples, and ate the food with them. it is described in the Gospel of John chapter. 21: 9-14. the Apostles were eyewitnesses, they were contemporaneous with Jesus and wrote down what they had heard and seen. These were testimonials, which were told and depreciated in the first congregation, because they were credible. Thomas, the dubious, to him gave Jesus a chance to touch his wounds. I cannot read the Bible in any way other than that it recounts concrete, physical resurrection from the grave and death. Paul writes to the Church in Corinth – 1. Corinthians chapter 15 v. 3-10 "… For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. "
The Bible is written by people who have met God in the form of the man Jesus Christ. So I would like to know when these testimonies have become invalid? And if they are not valid, why do they read up in the Church, as they stand, so that the naive "dark men" like myself, must believe that they should be believed? With "dark men", I refer to Peter Skov-J words from the feature:
"The current debate on creation and resurrection is not about dark men against the enlightened, the literalist against the Liberals, the socially active against the culturally thoughtful.
On the other hand, it is about the basics of Christianity. Foundation or source of Christianity is the resurrection. What it really was, what came to pass faith has tried to geet hold on since then. If one were to succumb to the temptation to want to know what really happened, you can begin by reading the four Gospels and note that if you so much as simply approaching the mystery with any kind of literalism, you have already closed your eyes to the new reality.
Yes, I believe that he arose from the dead. But keep me from life with all the talk about biology and physics. "It's so true that no one saw/our Lord out of the Tomb go./For it that could never happen,/it should no eye see." ""But that, which no eye saw,/will the Church hold Sunday on/and witness freely, as the spirit bade,/about him, that broke through death” was
The hymn which Bishop S-J quotes from is written by K.L. Aastrup, who was Dean of Odense, pastor from Jutland and colleague with my grandfather Provost Jeppe Thorvald Krøgholt. I have been drinking coffee with him as a child at home with Grandpa and Grandma in Odense. I have always been fond of Aaastrup’s hymns as an adult. Bishop CITES up until here, but I would like to bring the entire hymn. We get undeniably another depth out of the hymn, when we here bring it in its entirety.
1
It is so true that no one saw
our Lord out of the Tomb go.
For it that could never happen,
It should no eye see.
2
How from death to life he came,
No one here can tell about.
What can happen only if it Heaven will,
the Earth has no witnesses to.
3
Yes, Easter's message is a Word
On what never happens on Earth,
and it's a word completely uncovered
and defenceless against the world's taunt.
4
But that, which no eye saw
the Church will hold Sunday on
and testify freely, as the spirit bade,
about him, that broke through death,
5
and bring all small the bid
that now is he for them with God,
and as he shared with them here,
they surely are to inherit with him there.
K.l. Aastrup 1961.
What does Bishop Peter Skov-J for-upper in church leadership as Bishop and. What does supervision in resurrection, the matter when we do not have to break us to saddle a Bishop with facts: it borders on impudence!!!!
How does Bishop Peter Skov-J relate to the Holy Spirit? In the Gospel of John 16: 8-11 speaks of Jesus about the role of the Holy Spirit: " And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. "
In this context, we would also like to quote Grundtvig:
Come, Spirit of truth! and witness give,
that Jesus Christ is our life,
and that not you of other know
than him our soul to eternal bliss!
Come, Spirit of light! And lead us so,
That we at enlightened roads may go,
but never, however, from the basic of faith
a tottering step aside at any time!
God The Father's Spirit! come to us down
with Heaven's fire: the love of God!
Put on our tongue the voice of grace
with Word of life to the eternal consolation!
Thomas Kingo in 1699.
N.F.S. Grundtvig 1826, 1837 and 1864.
Originally part of nr. 281.
With best regards
Daniela Skov.
Lars Skov Krøgholt