19-03-2016

Kære De Døves Kirke

Vi har netop set "Tidens tegn", og vi synes, det var spændende at se, hvordan det foregår hos jer.

Vi sender her noget om, hvad der foregår i kirken i Danmark i dag.

Vi er whistleblowere i Danmark, og står i en svær situation.

Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt.

P.S. To mails samlet i én

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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>

Date: 2016-03-14 21:31 GMT+01:00

Subject: Tro og dåb eller ren og skær forretning? Faith and baptism or sheer business?

Deres Majestæt!

Your Holiness Pope Francis!

Kære Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder

Kære biskopper og provster, præster i alle trossamfund, fri- og folkekirker

Some time ago when Marianne Jelved was Minister Of Church in Government, it was revealed to the PUBLIC through Kr. Dagblad the BISHOPS WENT TO THE MINISTER OF CHURCH, MARIANNE JELVED, in order for her to HELP THEM ([ADVICE FX TO the Bishops and Church itself]) - how they can gain more baptized from society.

So it is 100 percent not possible to look beyond the deeper motive for this act of "charity" to poor people.

The BAPTIZED are THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH! How all financial matters and procedures are orchestrated in this BUSINESS, I do not know. But TAX TO THE CHURCH comes from BAPTIZED PEOPLE. Maybe not from babies, I guess, but once a member TRADITIONALLY people stay.

There are rituals we connect with Church: 1. Name giving is what many are seeing BAPTISM to be. And an

2. Confirmation ritual is our society providing a ritual for a young person, to "step into adulthood!" Rites are normal in all societies.

So it was phrased and seen in 1974 when I was a young teenager. " Step into adulthood" - ritual

I do not know if this is still one of the opinions - the OPTHICAL from which Church maintains Its own EXISTENSE. As in SEEKING HELP SO DESPERATELY AS BISHOPS ASKING THE MINISTER OF CHURCH to advice them how to get more people baptized.

3. Financially Church cannot MAINTAIN ITSELF and THE BISHOPS, DEANS AS WELL AS PASTORS RELY VERY MUCH ON "THE GOOD STORIES BEING TOLD" - a Church language term in the STATE Church: "the good stories of the Church" so they do not end up in unemployment!

For nogen tid siden, da Marianne Jelved var kirkeminister, kom det frem via Kristeligt Dagblad at BISKOPPER BEDER KIRKEMINISTEREN om at HJÆLPE DEM ([dem selv! Daniela Skov]) hvordan de kan få flere døbte!"

Sådan er det da 100 procent ikke til at overse bevæggrunden til den "godgørende" hjælp til fattige familier. Døbte er KIRKENS MEDLEMMER.

Så kan VIRKSOMHEDEN fortsat holde hjulene i gang. Ligeså fik de jo fortalt via KR. Dagblad at KIRKEN først begyndte i 2007 at spare op så de mange medarbejdere, der står foran PENSIONERING OG DERMED AFGANG I ANSÆTTELSE, kan få pension. Der stod klart i artiklen, der ikke var langsigtet (bagud‼️ forud) planlægning og taget højde for en situation, KIRKEN VIDSTE VILLE KOMME PÅ ET FORUDSIGELIGT TIDSPUNKT, men først i 2007 begyndte KIRKEN AT tage hånd om ØKONOMIEN på det punkt.

Alle kneb gælder vist nærmest i denne virksomhed, når der skal penge i kassen :

SELVE DÅBSHANDLINGEN i form af ØSE VAND PÅ ET BARNS HOVED er ikke en NYT TESTAMENTLIG BIBELSK dåb, men har BEVISLIGT sin rod i ODINKULTEN!

Trods det at vi har skrevet dette til BISKOPPER OG KIRKENS PRÆSTER SAMT TIL KIRKEMINISTERIET igennem flere år nu, bliver den almindelige dansker IKKE OPLYST om det, når de kommer til dåbssamtale. Vi hører aldrig nogen sige det offentligt på TV eller i Radioen, eller fx ved en dåb på tv i en gudstjeneste TRANSMITTERET PÅ LANDSDÆKKENDE TV?

Hvorfor er det ikke offentliggjort - har vi BORGERE IKKE KRAV PÅ DEN VIDEN, lige såvel som det ,at kirken sysler med REINKARNATION på et eller andet plan er ude i offentligheden nu. GENNEMSIGTIGHED.

Det er et krav til GODT LEDERSKAB! Så BISKOPPERNE må da osse forventeligt være åbne omkring det FAKTUM:

Then the Company continues to keep the wheels moving. Just as they told through KR. Dagblad that the CHURCH began to lay aside money from 2007 in order to have finances to pay pensions because many of of the staff is coming close to their RETIREMENT and end of their EMPLOYMENT. It was clear in the article, there were NO long-term (back or forward planning and catered for this situation CHURCH KNEW WOULD COME AT A TIME FORESEABLE. Not until 2007 CHURCH began to address this crucial financial issue.

Anything goes in this business seemingly, when it comes to get money in the till:

The actual carrying out of baptizing in the form of SPRINKLING OF WATER ON A CHILD'S HEAD is not a New Testament BIBLICAL BAPTISM, but rooted in the ODINKULTEN!

Despite the fact that we have written this BISHOPS as well as DEANS and pastors and the Ministers of Church in Government for years now, the average Dane is NOT told openly this background informative knowledge when they attend to BAPTISM interwievs . We never hear someone say it publicly on TV or radio, or for example at a baptism on television where church service is broadcasted on national TV?

Why is it not published - do we Danish CITIZENS not have a legitimate right to know this so we can choose and consider from a point of INFORMED knowledge.

Just as well as the church pursuits of REINCARNATION at some level are out in public now.

TRANSPERENCY.

It is a must ! requirement in GOOD LEADERSHIP!

So Bishops must surely be expected to be open up front and HONEST about FACTS:

Meget oplysende artikel fra National Geographic

http://natgeo.dk/vand-gennem-tiderne-0

Vand gennem tiderne.

"...Vandet renser ikke kun snavset af vores krop, men renser også i overført betydning smudset af vores sjæl og er som sådan en vigtig ingrediens i mange renselsesritualer. I den kristne kirke er dåben det ritual, hvormed en persons synder “vaskes” bort, og han eller hun indlemmes i den kristne menighed. Dåbsritualet har sit forbillede i Johannes Døberen, som døbte Jesus i Jordan-floden – og Jesus omtaler selv nødvendigheden af dåb for at komme i Guds rige, hvorfor kristne regner den for essentiel til at opnå frelsen. Frem til 1854 var man i øvrigt kun arveberettiget i Danmark, hvis man var døbt.

Faktisk er vand-øsning ikke et oprindeligt kristent ritual. I det før-kristne Norden dryppede man også vand på barnet ved navngivningen. Ritualet, der var forbundet med Odin-kulten, optog barnet som et fuldgyldigt og retsbeskyttet medlem af slægt og samfund..."

Muslimer foretager en rituel afvaskning i vand af ansigt hænder samt hoved og fødder, før de daglige tidebønner afholdes – en renselse, der er en vigtig forudsætning for at udføre tidebønnen korrekt. “Renselse er det halve af troen,” sagde profeten Muhammed. Rituel afvaskning af en afdød, før han eller hun iføres ligklæder, er en anden vigtig forberedelse af sjælen i islam – et ritual, som også jøder praktiserer.

Et kar med indviet vand står ved tærsklen til katolske kirker. Den, der træder ind i Guds hus, dypper fingerspidserne i vandet og slår korsets tegn som et udtryk for længslen efter hjertets renhed. Vievandet symboliserer dermed dåben. Det bruges desuden til at indvie kirker, klokker, vielsesringe og andre genstande. I den græsk-ortodokse kirke får fiskerne velsignet deres både med helligt vand af præsten den 6. januar – den dag, hvor man mener, at Jesus blev døbt i Jordan-floden. Vievand bruges også til beskyttelse mod mørkets magter og indgår i djævleuddrivelser (eksorcisme). Vandet må ikke smides ud i det normale kloaksystem, og kirkerne har derfor typisk et særligt bassin, der leder direkte ned i jorden for at tømme det på behørig vis.

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http://natgeo.dk/folk-og-kultur/religion/det-hellige-vand

Det hellige vand.

vand

"Fra dråberne i døbefonten til ligbrænding ved hellige floder – vand er ladet med religiøs symbolik, der fylder hele vores liv med mening."

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VERY INFORMATIVE ARTICLE FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC:

Water throughout the ages.

"...Water does not only clean the dirt off our bodies, but it cleanses figuratively as well the dirt off from our soul and is as such an important ingredience in many cleansing rituals. In the christian church baptism is the ritual , that "washes" away the sins of a person, and he or she is incorporated into the Christian congregation. The Baptism ritual models from John the Baptist, who baptized Jesus in the Jordan River - and Jesus himself mentions the necessity of baptism for the coming kingdom of God, why Christians expect it to be essential to achieve salvation.

‼️Until 1854, citizen only had HEREDITARY RIGHTS justified in Denmark, IF you were baptized.‼️

In fact, sprinkling of water on a child's head was not originally a Christian ritual. In the pre-Christian Scandinavia water was being sprinkled also on the child's head for the naming.

‼️The ritual that was associated with Odin cult, included the child as a full-fledged and legally protected member of the family and society ... "

http://natgeo.dk/vand-gennem-tiderne-0

http://natgeo.dk/folk-og-kultur/religion/det-hellige-vand

The holy water

Water

" "From the drops in the baptismal font to

cremation at the sacred rivers - water is loaded with religious symbolism, filling our lives with meaning."

http://natgeo.dk/folk-og-kultur/religion/det-hellige-vand

http://natgeo.dk/vand-gennem-tiderne-0

Muslims perform a ritual washing in water of the face and hands and head and feet before the daily prayers are held - a cleansing, which is an important prerequisite for performing the prayer correctly. "Purification is half of the faith," said the Prophet Muhammad. Ritual washing of the dead before he or she is clothed in shrouds, is another important preparation for the soul of Islam - ‼️‼️‼️ a ritual which also Jews are practizing.

A vessel with holy water stands at the threshold of Catholic churches. Whoever enters the house of God, dip your fingertips into the water and perform the sign of the cross as an expression of the longing for purity of heart. Thus Holy water symbolizes baptism. It is also used to inaugurate churches, bells, wedding rings and other objects. In the Greek Orthodox Church the fishermen blessed their boats with holy water by the priest on January 6 - the day when it is believed that Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River. Holy water is also used for protection against the powers of darkness and included in excorcism. The water should not be disposed of in the normal sewage system, and the churches have therefore typically a special pool that leads directly into the ground to empty it properly."

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Greek Orthodox Baptism.

Here on the online photo.

Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen vil ikke tale med os om nogle papirer med vores cpr-numre og hans underskrift på.

En politibetjent i Holstebro ville 19 sept. 2012 ikke give sig til kende for os. Det implicerede politi har generelt nægtet at tages os ind til forhør fra 2012 og til nu.

Politiet har nægtet at høre på senioranklager statsadvokaten, som sagde, at de skulle give os en partshøring. Dagbladet Lemvig har en historie kørende om os, som vi ikke anede foregik. Redaktør Henri Nissen og Kristeligt Dagblad har en historie om os, men vi må ikke selv fortælle vores del, må ikke komme til orde. Vi er stemplet til at være sindsforvirrede. Er der nogen, der kan fortælle os, hvad der sker med de store instanser i Danmark - staten, kirke, lokale aviser og landets kirkelige dagblad? Hvorfor skal der være politi og retsvæsen blandet ind i, at vi blot i maj 2012, skulle tale med Jonas Serner-Pedersen om en lille kort referenceskrivelse og en UDMELDELSESKVITTERING.‼️

Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen would not talk with us about some papers with our social security numbers and his handwritten signature on it.

A police constable in Holstebro 19 Sept. 2012 would not make himself known to us. He has refused to reveal his IDENTITY up until now. So we lost our LEGAL RIGHT SECURITY AS DANISH CITIZENS BECAUSE OF THIS POLICE MAN AND HIS LACK OF PROPER POLICE WORK AND LEAVING A JOURNAL OF HIM CREATING A CASE WITH PASTOR JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN - TO BE SEEN AND SIGNED FROM THAT DAYS WORK.

The involved police generally have refused to bring us in, although we have ASKED AND ASKED

them to bring us in for interrogation from 2012 until now.

Police has denied the request from the Senior prosecutor, the Attorney General, that they should take us in for interrogation. PART HEARING DENIED to us!

Dagbladet Lemvig has a story running about us, which we never knew anything about. WE SURE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE- so WHY THIS TALE???

Editor Henri Nissen and Kristeligt Dagblad have an ongoing story about us, ALSO BECAUSE OF PASTOR JONAS SERNER- PEDERSEN AND HIS GETTING ATTENTION AND HE CAN BECOME SOMEONE SPECIAL - a martyr seemingly - like the persecuted Christians OPEN DOORS organisation his wife Maria has worked for for many years and he get his REPUTATION in on.

We must not even tell our part OFFICIALLY to the police and the Newspapers mentioned. We must not step forward.

We are stigmatized as STALKERS to be deranged.

Is there anyone who can tell us what is happening with the big agencies in Denmark: The State, the State Church, The STATE Police, The STATE ATTOURNEY IN VIBORG, the local newspapers and the country's nationwide ecclesiastical newspaper Kr. Dagblad.

Why should there be police and the legal authorities interfering into, that we in around May 2012, just wanted to talk with Jonas Serner-Pedersen about a small letter of reference and a RECEIPT for OUR RESIGNATION out of the Church, where the Leaders harassed him hidden from the congregation in 1 year and 6 months AND just up to they fired him.

All this in his own words to Daniela (Who was never an unknown stalker to him, but he confided in her!) PRIDE perhaps - so No one in his new job then in HJERM should not know, he was harassed by his own leadership board in Kolding??? He was sad he said openly in Kolding, he felt like a FAILURE for a very long time due to divorce, and he had the idea, he, said in a SERMON he could only be himself on FACEBOOK!

Kind Regards,

Lars Skov Krøgholt, Daniela Skov

Kolding.

Headlines and front page here in Danish as well as in English.

From: Kristeligt Dagblad <noreply@kristeligt-dagblad.dk>

Date: Monday, March 14, 2016

Subject: Flere kirker støtter fattige familier ved barnedåb og konfirmation

SEVERAL CHURCHES ARE SUPPORTING POOR FAMILIES AT BAPTISM AND CONFIRMATION.

14. marts 2016

Faith | Ethics | Existence Monday March 14. 2016

Flere kirker støtter fattige familier ved barnedåb og konfirmation

STINA ØRREGAARD ANDERSEN

Landets kirker finder nye måder til at støtte familier, der har svært ved at få råd til at fejre overgangsritualer som dåb og konfirmation. Med støtteinitiativerne kan familier få mulighed for at markere konfirmationen, og kirkerne kan være med til at signalere, at fejringen ikke behøver at være en forbrugsfest, siger Jann Sjursen

https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Sjursen

SEVERAL CHURCHES ARE SUPPORTING POOR FAMILIES AT BAPTISM AND CONFIRMATION⭐️

The Churches in our country finds new ways to support families, who find it difficult to afford celebrating rites of passage as BAPTISM AND CONFIRMATION.

With the support initiatives families can make it possible to mark the confirmation, and the Churches can help signal, the celebration does not have to be a consumers' celebration, says Jann Sjursen.

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C https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Sjursen

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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>

Date: 2016-03-16 17:03 GMT+01:00

Subject: Hvad skal der mon til af FORANSTALTNINGER, SÅ I KAN FÅ JERES POLITIKERLØNNINGER TIL AT SLÅ TIL SÅ DE RÆKKER TIL AT I KAN KØBE DE DYRE BILER UDEN AFGIFTSNEDSÆTTELSEN ??? Which measures are needed to be taken in order for you to succeed in making your politician monthly salary be sufficient enough to buy you the EXPENSIVE CARS without the tax REDUCTION?

Deres Majestæt!

Your Holiness Pope Francis

Kære Statsminister Lars Løkke Rasmussen

Kære Finansminister Claus Hjort Frederiksen

Kære Beskæftigelsesordfører Hans Andersen

Kære Venstres folketingsgruppe

Kære Dansk Folkepartis folketingsgruppe

Kære Jann Sjursen

Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2016

Danish and English )

Subject:(

Hvad skal der mon til af FORANSTALTNINGER, SÅ I KAN FÅ JERES POLITIKERLØNNINGER TIL AT SLÅ TIL SÅ DE RÆKKER TIL AT I KAN KØBE DE DYRE BILER UDEN AFGIFTSNEDSÆTTELSEN ???"

Dear Government and each person in the blue parties‼

Which measures are needed to be taken in order for you to succeed in making your politician monthly salary be sufficient enough to buy you the EXPENSIVE CARS without the tax

REDUCTION ????

Yes - definitely

Here we go- again again ... Our politicians within our

PUBLICLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT

KNOW for a fact that

a single mother with three children is able to do just fine on a substantially reduced monthly income on her welfare!

How come the politicians as well as many in Denmark

CANNOT do without

REDUCTION TO THOSE WHO PAY

TOP TAXES

AS well as

the taxes on the most EXPENSIVE cars had to be refused as a clearly defined GOAL for our GOVERNMENT

to reach as quick as possible after the ELECTION in summer 2015!

AS THEIR DEFINED POLITICAL GOAL

Dear Occupation Rapporteur Hans Andersen, VENSTRE.

Yes, I, Daniela Skov, heard that you talked to a social worker without even LISTENING and relate to her wisdom and skills.

It was truly offensive, you chose not to relate to the things, she presented!

Is it really the case that you ELECT are working up at Christiansborg making a carrier at the expense of us

such large numbers of citizens?

And why is it OK for you only to TALK ABOUT the labour market?

It was so disgusting (honestly) to look at the total lack of

respect, you had for the social worker and her WORK AND THE STUDIES THE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED.

All the knowledge and close contact she has with CITIZENS YOU SWEPT OFF THE TABLE,

EVEN IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE

prerequisites to obtain all this level of know-how and all this measure of information in your field of work.

Yes, I am COMPLETELY SERIOUS AND REALLY ANGRY!

You OWE to all of us to EXPLAIN YOUR economy, you Hans Andersen sits and expounds on nationwide TV News

(Wednesday March 16 - 2016 at DR2 morning) how a single mother of 3 children, according to all you Blue in your crap -optical has sufficient money:

"12,000 to herself after RENT IS PAID. So there are enough to spend on children's birthdays"

you concluded, VENSTRE politician.

It was AWFUL to listen to.

Now it must go the other way. Where is the problem in your lives since you are working so hard to succeed in creating large potential reductions in the wealthy Danes tax expenses

What has gone wrong for you since you cannot get YOUR minister WAGES to last WITH ALL ADDITIONAL money to keep your children out of trouble, because you must work very long hours.

As well as a retirement pension coming so you will not worry about any hindrances to buying a house in your season of old age.

On the contrary elderly citizens face problems when they have to borrow from the bank in order to purchase a house, we hear in the news TODAY.

What measures needs to be taken to help you find a way to have your monthly budget stretch to buy an EXPENSIVE car

WITHOUT

law makings for

tax reduction specifically on

EXPENSIVE VEHICLES???

Just as well the top tax facilitations as Liberal Alliance Anders Samuelsen desperately is in need of.

How is it possible for ALL YOU

ELECTED POLITICIANS

to postpone your own needs?

Putting your own needs aside

For the greater good?

Which measures is needed to be taken in order for you to succeed in making your politician monthly salary be sufficient enough to buy you the EXPENSIVE CARS without the tax

REDUCTION????

Kind Regards, Lars Skov Krøgholt and Daniela Skov

Den 16. marts 2016 kl. 13.36 skrev Daniela Skov

Kære Regering og de blå partier.

Hvad skal der mon til af FORANSTALTNINGER, SÅ I KAN FÅ JERES POLITIKER LØNNINGER TIL AT SLÅ TIL SÅ DEN RÆKKER TIL AT I KAN KØBE DE DYRE BILER UDEN AFGIFTSNEDSÆTTELSEN???

Ja for lige netop

her knækker filmen igen igen... Politikerne I VOR FOLKE- VALGTE REGERING VED bare at en enlig mor med 3 børn sagtens kan klare sig på væsentligt nedsat kontanthjælp!

HVORDAN kan det så være at de, og rigtig mange i Danmark IKKE KAN KLARE SIG UDEN

TOPSKATTELETTELSER OG

UDEN AT AFGIFTERNE PÅ DE DYRESTE BILER SKULLE SÆTTES NED

SOM ET POLITISK MÅL

Kære Beskæftigelsesordfører Hans Andersen, VENSTRE

Ja, jeg, Daniela Skov, hørte jo, at du desværre talte TIL en socialrådgiver uden at overhovedet LYTTE og forholde dig til hendes viden og kompetencer.

Det var virkeligt krænkende, ikke at forholde sig til de ting, hun sagde. Er det virkelig sådan, at I FOLKEVALGTE er på Borgen for at gøre karriere på FOLKS, altså vi borgeres bekostning.

Og I skal da ikke KUN tale OM arbejdsmarkedet.

Det var så ubehageligt at se den totale mangel på respekt for socialrådgiveren og hendes ARBEJDE OG DE UNDERSØGELSER DE ALLEREDE HAR FORETAGET.

Al den viden og nærkontakt hun har med BORGERE FEJEDE DU VÆK SELVOM DU IKKE HAR DE FORUDSÆTNINGER I DIT ARBEJDSFELT.

Ja, jeg er FULDT ALVORLIG OG VIRKELIG VRED! I SKYLDER OS ALLE AT DE REDEGØRE FOR JERES økonomi, for du Hans Andersen sidder og udlægger på åben skærm (i dag på DR2 morgen) hvordan en enlig mor til 3 I JERES DESVÆRRE HER LORTE OPTIK- har sit budget.

"12000 til sig SELV efter HUSLEJE ER BETALT. Så er der nok til børnefødselsdage" sagde du, Venstre politiker.

Det var MODBYDELIGT at høre på. Nu må det gå den anden vej. Hvor er problemet så I jeres liv, siden I knokler på for de store mulige lettelser i de rige danskeres tilværelse?? hvad er der gået skævt for jer, siden I ikke kan få JERES MINISTERLØN til at slå til? Selv med Alle TILLÆG OVENI OG EN PENSION, som I SIDSTE ENDE ikke GIVER JER PROBLEMER, HVIS I SKAL HAVE ET HUS. De ældre har problemer når de skal låne i banken til et hus, hører vi i Nyhederne I DAG.

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