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Ja, Jonas skriver vi selvfølgelig ikke til, eftersom han har ret til at gå til politiet på grund af polititilhold, og sidste gang vi hørte fra dem i denne sag lød det: "Næste gang er det FÆNGSEL" - dvs. hvis vi kontakter Jonas
Kære Hans Anker
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Kære Jonas' kolleger i Hjerm Kirker
Kære Hans Anker.
Du er måske klar over, at du er medinddraget i emails der både går til Dronningen, Justitsministeriet og alle Biskopper og mange flere pga. at du er iflg. din ven, Jonas Serner-Pedersen i 2012 har erklæret, at du er hans profet og forbeder og dermed er hans nærmeste rådgiver og virkelig pga. ham medansvarlig i hans løgne sammen med politiet. Vi forsøgte at få din mailadr. i 2012 allerede så vi kunne tale med dig, men det lykkedes ikke. Vi, Lars Krøgholt og jeg Daniela Skov skal i gang med retssag mod Jonas med en barsk forsvarsadvokat der mange gange har vundet sager, når han skulle op imod Staten. Jonas er så stædig og vil ikke selv fjerne polititilhold fra os, selvom en advokat mundtligt ALLEREDE har sagt til OS:" I har da ikke gjort noget ulovligt! " og Jonas har ingen holdbar sag og advokat vil få fjernet tilholdet. I første omgang er vi tvunget til at betale 10000kr for at starte sagen op. Så kan Jonas jo betale den kommende RETSSAGS omkostninger, som den der taber sin sag. Men det er ULIDELIGT at han har frihedsberøvet os siden 2012 på helt væsentlige livsområder og det må du osse tage op ind for HERREN JESUS KRISTUS HVAD DET ER FOR BØNNER OG PROFETISKE ORD DU INSPIRERER JONAS MED DER FÅR SÅ GROVE KONSEKVENSER. SAGEN HAR VÆRET SENDT HELE VEJEN TIL MENNESKERETTIGHEDSDOMSTOLEN I BRUSSEL OG DA DEN STADIG KAN UDREDES I DK SENDTE DE DET TILBAGE.
MVH LARS OG DANIELA
VENLIGST TAL MED JONAS OM DETTE. HVAD END DU SKRIVER TIL OS VIL BLIVE OFFENTLIGGJORT. KIRKEN er og bliver GUDS HUS OG OFFENTLIG SAMT PRÆSTER ER JO OFFENTLIGE PERSONER OG TILMED ANSAT AF STATEN SAMT UNDERLAGT DEMOKRATISK VALGTE BISKOPPER PROVSTER OG MENIGHEDSRÅD. Blot så du lige ved at dette er en FULDT UD OFFENTLIG KENDT SAG HELT UD I ANDRE NATIONERS AVISER OG REGERINGER OGSÅ. DET ER UNFAIR AT DU ER INVOLVERET PGA JONAS OM DU IKKE SELV ER BEKENDT MED ALT DETTE DYBT ALVORLIGE.
Herunder kommer kopi af diverse mails udsendt til en gruppe af modtagere i Danmark og udlandet.
Serner-Pedersen havde tilsyneladende en profet uden for kirken, som ingen af os så, Hans Anker, som var hans ”seerprofet” og rådgiver i bøn. Vi opfatter det som meget betænkeligt, at en person som overhovedet ikke er en del af kirken profeterer og giver Jonas vejledning i sit præstekald. Hvordan tør Jonas være en del af noget, der foregår i det skjulte?
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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2015
Subject: Fra 2012 blev Jonas Serner-Pedersens mangel på at varetage sine adm. opgaver og i stedet videregive løgne til politiet bag vores ryg og uden vor viden og melde os ind i folkekirken uden vor viden, så vi har betalt kirkeskat, årsag til at vi blev stavnsbundet, og ikke kunne søge ind i kirker i England mede deres forventninger om referencer. Nu har vi plettet straffeattest, som gør at vi ikke kan søge visum til bl.a. USA.
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Vi fremsender her nogle mails oprindeligt sendt i 2012-2013, hvor vi beskæftiger os med det, vi har erfaret gennem den aktindsigt vi fik i de papirer politiet har om polititilholdet, Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen har skaffet os.
Vi har fundet papirer frem fra Jonas forhør, hvor hans oplysninger ikke stemmer overens med de oplysninger vi giver. Det har været meget frustrerende ikke at kunne få papirer til England. Vi har følt os stavnsbundet til Danmark i to år. At vi har fået bøder betyder for Daniela, at hun ikke kan søge visum til USA. Politiet har skrevet i papirer i forbindelse med det tilhold vi har fået af Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen, at Daniela sagde til politiet, at hun havde ret til at kontakte en præst dag og nat, men det passer ikke. Hun har grimme erfaringer fra præst Jens Fischer Nielsen, nu Kolding (Foreningen Dansk Oase, Esbjerg), der fik lov til at køre et modbydeligt spil med hende og hendes store børn og deres far. Jonas kender denne sag, og ved at Daniela har den angst og frygt for præster, på grund af den, så betjent Lisbet Hejredal har ikke den oplysning fra Daniela. Står også i teksten herunder. Politiet siger også at hun har ADHD, det skulle hun have fortalt politiet. Daniela har ikke ADHD og tænker slet ikke på sig selv som en der har ADHD, så det har hun ikke fortalt Lisbet Hejredal om sig selv. Det giver kun misforståelser og løgne, når vi ikke bliver afhørt.
Til Justitsminister Mette Frederiksen. ‼Udenrigsminister Villy Søvndal og hans kolleger tre andre EU-lande foreslår, at lande, der går mod EU’s værdier, skal skulle straffes."‼ DR Mobil http://mobil.dr.dk/smartphone/#artikel/nyheder/politik/2013/03/09/0309073124.htm SMULDRENDE TILLID! -Det europæiske projekts troværdighed afhænger af, at vi lever op til de standarder, vi har sat for os selv, skriver de og advarer om smuldrende tillid. - Det europæiske projekts troværdighed afhænger af, at vi lever op til de standarder, vi har sat for os selv, skriver de og advarer om smuldrende tillid. "Og for at sikre, at landet retter ind, skal man i yderste konsekvens kunne suspendere udbetalinger til landet fra EU. ......"/ritzau/
Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen fortæller, kan vi se, politiet om at vi gerne vil til England *).altså kan han ikke benægte at han ved at vi har spurgt ham om at hjælpe os med et administrativt arbejde. Vi mailede ham d 19. sept. 2012 og tilbød at vi tog turen op til HJERM, så han slipper for at køre til Kolding og få bragt orden. Han kunne maile tilbage: "Jeg ønsker ikke at I kommer. Nej jeg vil ikke skrive en anbefaling til DANIELA. Nej jeg vil HELLER ikke berigtige, altså give DANIELA EN KVITTERING/bekræftelse skriftligt på om jeg har udmeldt hende af Kolding Valgmenighed!". Det kunne tage ham højst måske 5 minutter at maile os det svar. I stedet Kører han til POLITIET I HOLSTEBRO OG BETROR DEM EN OVERSPÆNDT VERSION OG Daniela BLIVER BRAGT I chok og krise af politiopringning og uventet telefonisk forhør og ALT DESANGÅENDE ER BIZART OG UDEN SUND SAMMENHÆNG MED NOGET VI KAN ASSOCIERE OS MED FREM TIL I DAG! Vi er prisgivet hans version.
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Vi sender dette link med om præsters tavshedspligt, og vi leder efter et dokument hvor Jonas siger, at jeg har fortalt at jeg blev syg på grund af det vi havde været igennem i kirken, og dermed bryder sin tavshedspligt.
http://www.fyensstift.dk/artikler-og-klummer/kresten-drejergaard/tavshedspligt/
[Artiklen er desværre ikke længere til rådighed på dette link]
‼‼Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen glemmer desværre sit ansvar som professionel leder og præst. I min verden lader en præst ikke bare være med at svare på gentagne henvendelser, især ikke hvis de går på, at personen har det virkelig dårligt på grund af præstens undladelser. Og han stavnsbinder os med sin passivitet, da han nægter os papir med udtalelse!!
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Daniela er 52 år! Hun beder om papirer, så hun kan komme på Academy i Bradford. Hun forfølger ikke Jonas
‼‼Daniela siger nu ”Det er virkelig stress for mig at Jonas hindrer mig i at søge ind på Academy blot måske fordi han kun har fokus på, at han ikke vil med. Jeg ville fortsat gerne derover, men får aldrig vigtigt papir fra Jonas. Jeg er ikke en desperat forelsket person, der ikke kan leve uden Jonas eller ikke bo i England uden Jonas. Han fremstiller mig som en forfølger, men mit mål er at rejse udenlands i sommeren 2012, lige så vel Lars til England.”
‼‼ I næste afsnit i ”anmeldelsesrapport” (fra aktindsigt) står der om Jonas Serner-Pedersen ”Af forskellige grunde valgte afh. at trække sig som præst”. Dette er udtryk for en grov fortielse! Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen blev fyret på grund af hvad man kan betegne som samarbejdsvanskeligheder med Ledergruppen i Kolding Valgmenighed. Det er altså løgn når han siger, at han trak sig. Han siger dog ikke, at han sagde sin stilling op, så han mener måske, at han trak sig fra de seks måneders fritstilling efter fyringen ved at søge stilling i Hjerm, eller han mener måske at han trak sig fra et planlagt menighedsmøde, hvor der skulle stemmes blandt menigheden om, hvorvidt Jonas skulle genansættes, idet der var en herskende utilfredshed i menigheden med Ledergruppens fyring. Men det ændrer stadig ikke på, at han fordrejer sin situation, han fremstiller sig selv i et bedre lys ved at undlade at fortælle, at han var fyret, og dermed lyver han!
‼‼I bilag ”afhøringsrapport” beskriver præsten Jonas Serner-Pedersen hvordan han ”stillede sig til rådighed ved at lytte” til vores beretning om forhold i Pinsekirken i Kolding. Motivationen til at fortælle om dette forløb i en afhøring i forbindelse med tilhold kendes ikke, men et hint får man måske ved at se på slutningen af dette indledende afsnit, hvor han fortæller, at vi anmeldte en række ledere inklusive ham selv, og det var han måske fornærmet/uforstående over for og mener måske at det var en del af den ”chikane”, han har oplevet fra vores side. Han fortæller blot ikke om årsagen til at vi anmeldte gruppen af personer, hvilken var 1. Det handlede om personlig tilegnelse af indsamlede midler til Pinsekirken, tyveri af kursusdeltagernes og Guds penge, hvilket pinsekirken nok tog hånd om, men det blev aldrig f.eks. anmeldt til politiet. I samfundet uden for kirken vil man måske sige, at det er en bagatel, fordi der ikke var tale om sekscifrede beløb, men bedrageri er bedrageri, og i kirken forventer vi, at man tager Gud alvorligt, når Han i bibelen kræver ærlighed omkring pengesager. Det blev ikke taget hånd om på den måde, at der blev fremlagt et regnskab, hvor kirken gjorde rede for, hvordan beløbet var kommet ind i kirkens regnskab, og det blev ikke anmeldt til politiet. Dertil kommer skattefradraget, at det ikke var muligt at få fradrag for gavebidrag af de penge, Lone Ambæk stjal. Den anmeldte gruppe havde kendskab til dette, men gjorde ikke noget i forhold til deres kendskab, og var dermed medskyldige. Hvordan kan ledere være så respektløse og lemfældige over for os, der forsørger dem i deres arbejde med vores penge??? 2. For det andet var Daniela telefonisk af Statsadvokaten blevet rådet til at politianmelde så mange som muligt, hvilket vi dermed gjorde. Følgelig mener jeg ikke, at dette forløb har noget med chikane mod Jonas Serner-Pedersen at gøre. Er der chikane er det da, at han nægter at tale med os og nægter os de to papirer vi havde brug for til at komme til England. Jonas og de øvrige præster og ledere, som var politianmeldt skulle da i stedet tale med politiet om de penge, som Lone Ambæk tog fra deres menighedsmedlemmer, og få det indklaget hos politiet og få det bragt frem i lyset for de bestjålne mennesker fra menighederne.‼️‼️‼️
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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2013
Subject: Genoptagelse af sag på baggrund af nye oplysninger?
Deres Majestæt!
Mail oprindelig sendt til
Til Sydøstjyllands Politi, att. Anders Fredsted.
Til Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi att. Lisbeth Heiredal.
Efter at have konsulteret Justitsministeriet og Statsadvokaten for hvordan vi kommer videre med den sag, som vi slet ikke synes er færdigbehandlet, - som har rådet os til at skrive til politiet, fremsender vi dette, som er to tidligere udsendte mails samt en uddybning af visse aspekter af sagen, til Sydøstjyllands Politi og Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi, for at fremstille vores opfattelse af den sag om tilhold, som sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen har sat os i.
Er det muligt, på baggrund af de partsindlæg, vi her kommer med, at tilholdet kan blive optaget til fornyet overvejelse, eller skal vi selv anlægge sag?
Tak, om vi kan få et snarligt svar.
Med venlig hilsen Lars Skov Krøgholt.
Daniela Skov cpr
Lars Skov Krøgholt cpr
Yderligere information kan findes på ytrings
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Nu, den 19. september var det et år siden sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen gik til politiet i Holstebro og fik startet sin sag mod os op så vi senere fik et polititilhold. Men i stedet kunne han bare have brugt et kvarter på at skrive to dokumenter, som vi har brug for til at komme i kirker i England og tage en normal samtale med os, som man vel kan forvente af en præst.
Vi har flere gange påpeget, at det ikke er sandt, når der står at vi ikke har villet komme til forhør i forbindelse med Jonas Serner-Pedersens tilhold mod os. Daniela Skov er blevet spurgt, ved en opringning fra politiet i Kolding, om hun ville komme til forhør med det samme, den dag i oktober, og hun sagde straks ja, og bad om at jeg Lars Skov Krøgholt måtte komme med og at der måtte komme en læge med, fordi hun blev ramt af voldsom stressangst, da en betjent fra politiet i Holstebro ringede hende op 19. september 2012 og brugte ord som sigtet, og hun blive vildt chokeret og forstod ingenting. Betjenten som endnu ikke har givet sig til kende her et år efter. Hvordan kan en politibetjent skjule sin identitet? Har politiet ikke notatpligt? Samme aften forklarede en betjent fra Servicecenteret i Horsens, at de ikke havde notat om, at hun var blevet ringet op og at hun var sigtet, så måske var det bare nogen, der lavede sjov med hende? det gjorde hende endnu mere chokeret - hvem kunne da finde på sådan noget? Jeg, Lars Skov Krøgholt er end ikke blevet spurgt af politiet om at komme til forhør, og Daniela er heller ikke blevet spurgt hverken fra politiet i Struer eller Holstebro, når de har ringet, om hun ville komme til forhør, så hun kunne afgive sin forklaring. Vi mener stadig, at grundlaget på hvilket vi har fået forbud mod at kontakte Jonas Serner-Pedersen er meget løst. Vi er blevet dømt og er blevet tildelt bødestraf uden at være blevet forhørt. Er legalitetsprincippet blevet opfyldt her? Er der særregler for en statsligt ansat sognepræst - Jonas Serner-Pedersen har jo været i forhør.
Først ved retsmøde den 13. juni 2012 i Holstebro om bøderne blev vi talt med. Daniela havde ikke forstået at retsmødet ikke var om selve tilholdet, men kun om bøderne. Vi fik så hjælp og fik forklaret lidt mere om tingenes sammenhæng. Hjælp havde vi ellers ikke fået noget af, tværtimod kun vrede mails fra forskellige ”Oase”-præster og ikke mindst redaktør og journalist Henri Nissen, som har holdt gryden i kog i et helt år med anklager mod os om at vi er hadefulde og at det, vi skriver, er "giftigt" m.m. Vi har ikke forstand på at blive sigtet, og vi har ikke råd til en advokat, så det er først lidt efter lidt, at vi hutler os igennem det her, så godt vi kan. Hvorimod Jonas Serner-Pedersen kan gå til politiet med en grydeklar anmeldelse, og vi kan ikke få at vide, hvad han har sagt til politiet. Først da der er gået næsten et år, får vi tilsendt aktindsigt, efter at vi havde klaget til Den Europæiske Menneskerettighedsdomstol. Da fik vi ét bilag tilsendt fra politiet i Holstebro. Vi er blevet gjort utroværdige hos politiet i et helt år. Det er ikke til at leve med. Lighed for loven - giver det ikke os de samme rettigheder til at blive hørt som sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen?
Hvad vi med sikkerhed ved, er, at han har været fuldstændig tavs over for os, samtidig med at han har opført sig som om alt var som det plejer, de få gange mellem sommer og 19. september 2012, vi har mødt ham siden han indledte sin tavshedsprotest. Ved Danielas venindes begravelse forrige sommer, som han forestod, kom han under udbæringen af kisten hen til Daniela og gav hende i alles påsyn en stor omfavnelse, hvilket vi har vidner på. Ved kaffebordet kom han hen og gav hende en stor omfavnelse til farvel og sagde "Tak". En af dem der sad ved kaffebordet var i øvrigt Danielas grandfætter. Det er absurd at være i en situation, hvor vi skal føre beviser og have vidner. Det havde vi overhovedet ikke haft fantasi til at forestille os, da vi begyndte at spørge efter de papirer i sommeren 2012.
Daniela havde brug for en kvittering for udmeldelse af Kolding Valgmenighed. Det er en samvittighedssag for hende, for hun ville ikke være del af at være med i en sammenhæng, hvor Jonas Serner-Pedersen var blevet mobbet i 1½ år. I forvejen havde det taget meget lang tid at få selve udmeldelsesblanketterne. Han skrev på et tidspunkt at "nu må jeg hellere tage mig sammen til at få sendt de papirer". Det var i sommeren 2012, den periode med tavshed, som Henri Nissen og andre præster ikke ved noget om, men det har Jonas jo ikke fortalt noget om. Hvorfor skulle vi stå i måneder og bede om papirer, den del har han ikke sagt til politiet. I retten i Holstebro var de virkelig overraskede over dette, det stod der ikke noget om nogen steder. Hans tavshed er som at række os fuckfingeren: ”I rager mig, jeg er fuldstændig ligeglad med hvad I har brug for”. Overhovedet ingen interesse og forståelse for vores behov for at komme videre og vores planer og drøm om at komme til England. Det var kun han selv det gjaldt. I stedet tager han et hold på os.
Derfor vil vi anmode om at blive indkaldt til forhør, så vi kan få lejlighed til at udtale os i sammenhæng om sagen, om det så skal koste os penge, vi ikke har, at komme til Holstebro, men vi da slet ikke råd til bøderne, og vi kan ikke leve med at have mistet vores retssikkerhed på grund af administrativ forsømmelse, undladelse af at udfylde en voksens mands embede som præst!
Han går virkelig over stregen ved, i det vi har fået aktindsigt i, at skrive til politiet at Daniela er syg og efter hans mening bør indlægges. Hvorfor vil han have hende indlagt? Han gør en fjer til fem høns. Det er direkte frækt. Hvordan kan man tro at man har fredhelle, og lade alle andre bære byrderne. I retten i Holstebro fik vi læst op, at en betjent Hanne Nielsen skriver, at Daniela har sagt at hun "har ADHD og mange andre sygdomme". Daniela har ikke ADHD, hun tænker ikke på sig selv ind i den sammenhæng. Det er for galt. Hvad har sådan noget snak at gøre med de papirer, Jonas skulle have udfyldt i sommer?
Kommentarer til de dokumenter vi har fået aktindsigt i.
Jonas Serner-Pedersen skriver, han ”valgte at trække sig”. Det er løgn, for han blev fyret fra Kolding Valgmenighed. Han trak sig ganske vist fra at blive genstand for en afstemning i menigheden om, hvorvidt der var flertal for at genansætte ham; men det er løgnagtigt af ham at lade denne handling betyde, at han trak sig = sagde sin stilling op.
Jonas fremstiller det som om han ensidigt blev ”overfaldet” af Daniela (”omklamrende omsorg”). Han fortæller ikke, at der var en tovejskommunikation, en gensidighed mellem dem, og at Jonas udtrykte glæde ”jeg elsker at snakke med dig” ved at være sammen med Daniela. At han skulle være udsat for omklamrende omsorg gav han aldrig udtryk for. Han gav knus, der var øjenkontakt mellem dem, de stod tæt sammen ved flere lejligheder. Det var ham, der startede med at give udtryk for at han kunne lide Daniela. Hun har ikke kunnet vide, at han var imod hende, og hun har aldrig troet, at hun skulle bevise noget. Men han mangler beviser for sine påstande.
Jonas holdt op med at svare på henvendelser pr sms, mail og telefon efter fyringen. Han har intet sagt om, at han var imod Daniela. Han kunne have talt med os – vi er ikke tankelæsere, og har ikke haft chance for at vide, hvad hans tavshed betød. Efter at Daniela havde spurgt, om han ville med til Leadership College i Bradford, havde vi bedt om at han skrev en anbefaling/reference til brug i England, samt den kvittering for udmeldelse af Kolding Valgmenighed, som vi i forvejen havde spurgt efter. Ved Danielas venindes begravelse, som Jonas forretter, snakker vi ikke om papirerne eller om hans tavshed, da der er nok at se til ved den lejlighed.
Da Jonas blev fyret, fortalte han Daniela, at han var mobbeoffer i 1½ år. Ledergruppen holdt hemmelige møder om ham. Jonas fik at vide søndag før påske 2012: på tirsdag får du en fyreseddel. Han bryder sammen i krise og chok. Som den eneste i Ledergruppen havde Anja Keld vendt om, og ville ikke være med i mobning. Medlem af menigheden Jørgen Pedersen har i 2013 sagt til Daniela ”Det var virkelig noget rod den sommer” (forår-sommer 2012). Der blev udsendt mærkelige mails af Erling Hybschmann, formand for ledergruppen – de arbejdede uden om Jonas. Erling H. sagde ”det er ikke for eller imod Jonas, det er for Kova”. Dette er kommenteret ironisk af Jonas’ tidligere svigerinde på Facebook. Erling ville have numerisk vækst af menigheden, og den vækst mente han ikke, at Jonas kunne fremskaffe. Jonas var meget, meget vred på Erling. Han troede de var venner. Dermed gentager Jonas den behandling han selv har været udsat for på Daniela og Lars, som troede Jonas var vores ven.
Irene Serner-Pedersen, Jonas’ ekskone fortalte Daniela sammen med andre, at folk i menigheden læssede af på hende om dårlige ting, som var sket førhen, fordi de ville beskytte hendes mand valgmenighedspræsten mod bekymringer. Jonas betragter sig selv som et legebarn, og vil gerne fremstilles som sådan. Jeg oplever, at man gør ham til en mimose, som på det pinligste underkendes af sin menighed. Daniela opfatter det sådan at folk bare ville beskytte sig selv, så Jonas kunne bevare et glansbillede af kirken. Desuden er det almindeligt i kristne kredse, at man ikke må være den man er. Det er generelt for kirken i Kolding, at man ikke må vide der er problemer. Vores ven Atefehe siger at ”det er bare spil”. Vores ven Thomas Frost Jensen har sagt om sin tid i KFUM og K, at der går man konstant rundt med et cykelstyr på tværs i munden (STORT smil).
Vi har ikke haft en chance for at vide, at Jonas var så vred på os, som han giver udtryk for over for politiet. Jonas virkede til at være totalt ulykkelig og i underskud på grund af fyring. Vi oplever, at vi var totalt frustrerede over at han ikke kontaktede os om de papirer. Men i vores holdning handler det om at vi bar over med ham. Vi troede hans sløseri skyldtes stort underskud. Vi bad menighedsrådet, provsten og biskoppen om medarbejderomsorg og –pleje til Jonas. Vi tænkte, at det må være det, han har brug for, så han kunne passe et arbejde ordentligt, og også give os de papirer. Det må stå for hans egen regning at tro, at vi er imod ham.
Men vi forventer også han skal bede os om tilgivelse. Det er et stort ord for ham at tage i sin mund, har han givet udtryk for tidligere.
Hvordan kan vi være så farlige, at han skal have politibeskyttelse mod os? Når han ved, at det var de papirer vi bad om, og vi var på vej til England, hvordan kunne han så fremstille Daniela som sådan en desperat forførende person. Han er i 30’erne og Daniela blev 52 og jeg blev 58 i 2012, så vi må nødvendigvis have forskellige opfattelser. Hvordan kan han have den opfattelse, at Daniela er i sådan en desperation efter Jonas? Jonas ser kun sig selv, der er ingen interaktion. Daniela er ikke kommet med store kærlighedserklæringer til Jonas, hun har været forsigtig og han glemmer hvad han har sagt og gjort tidligere. Det ville være nemmest for Daniela at vise som et rollespil. Han gemmer sig, så vi ikke kan få de papirer der den 19. september 2012.
Vi har fået al den aktindsigt, vi har bedt om. Nemlig også i de afhøringer politiet har foretaget af Jonas Serner-Pedersen. Tak for det!
De vigtigste dokumenter kan ses og downloades her: http://goo.gl/oRA5Ui
Jeg mener, at sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen har spildt politiets kostbare ressourcer og tid. Daniela har flere gange sagt, at Jonas røvrender politiet. Jonas pudser politiet på en sag, som han selv havde kunnet klare. Sidste sommer forsøgte vi at få en samtale med ham og at få ham til at skrive to for os vigtige papirer, så vi kunne komme til England, og følgelig ikke ville ”chikanere” ham længere.
Det grænser til det komiske, at en af de mails, Jonas vedlagde til politiet, og som vi har fået kopi af som del af aktindsigten, er en hvor jeg med store bogstaver skriver til ham: ”Du har til enhver tid kunnet henvende dig til Daniela eller jeg og snakke med os, og så ville du ikke få flere sms’er eller mails!!” (Se ”Bilag 1”).
I sin forklaring til politiet (bilag ”anmeldelsesrapport”) beskriver Jonas, hvordan han mener at Daniela bestormede ham med hundredvis af sms, opkald og mail ”men da han på dette tidspunkt havde lidt ondt af både PER [Daniela] og dennes eksmand reagerede han blot med at ignorere henvendelserne”. Hvad mon han mener med at han ”havde lidt ondt af” os og derfor ignorerede henvendelserne. Det er simpelthen volapyk for mig. At have ondt af betyder i min ordbog, at man rækker ud med empatisk hjælp. En anden mulighed er et hånligt ”have ondt af” – det I skriver er så pinligt, at jeg ikke vil kommentere det. Men her lyver Jonas direkte. Han startede et ”tavshedsprojekt”, og Daniela skrev gentagne mails og sms’er om at hun syntes Jonas skulle kontakte hende og fortælle, hvorfor han blot afbrød enhver kontakt. Og mails og sms’er begyndte først at blive mange FORDI Jonas ignorerede dem! På den næste side (som ikke er med her) i mailen ”Bilag 1” gentager jeg ”Du har til enhver tid kunnet henvende dig til Daniela eller jeg og snakke med os, og så ville du ikke få flere sms’er eller mails!!” og tilføjer ”Det har vi skrevet så mange gange, og det er den grundlæggende årsag til de mange mails, sms’er og telefonopkald”. For at afværge, at han undlod at kontakte os fordi han af en eller anden grund ikke kunne overskue det, tilføjede jeg ”hvis du er angst for sådan et møde, har du lov til at tage en anden med”. Hvad jeg mener hermed er, at Jonas ikke blot ignorerede meddelelserne, men også det dybtfølte anliggende i dem, som ofte tog form af et nødskrig: Lad være med at udøve vold mod os, hvilket er det du gør ved at være fuldstændig tavs. Dengang troede vi stadig på, at Jonas var vores ven.
Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen glemmer desværre sit ansvar som professionel leder og præst. I min verden lader en præst ikke bare være med at svare på gentagne henvendelser, især ikke hvis de går på, at personen har det virkelig dårligt på grund af præstens undladelser. Og han stavnsbinder os med sin passivitet, da han nægter os papir med udtalelse!!
I bilag ”afhøringsrapport” beskriver præsten Jonas Serner-Pedersen hvordan han ”stillede sig til rådighed ved at lytte” til vores beretning om forhold i Pinsekirken i Kolding. Motivationen til at fortælle om dette forløb i en afhøring i forbindelse med tilhold kendes ikke, men et hint får man måske ved at se på slutningen af dette indledende afsnit, hvor han fortæller, at vi anmeldte en række ledere inklusive ham selv, og det var han måske fornærmet/uforstående over for og mener måske at det var en del af den ”chikane”, han har oplevet fra vores side. Han fortæller blot ikke om årsagen til at vi anmeldte gruppen af personer, hvilken var 1. Det handlede om personlig tilegnelse af indsamlede midler til Pinsekirken, tyveri af kursusdeltagernes og Guds penge, hvilket pinsekirken nok tog hånd om, men det blev aldrig f.eks. anmeldt til politiet. I samfundet uden for kirken vil man måske sige, at det er en bagatel, fordi der ikke var tale om sekscifrede beløb, men bedrageri er bedrageri, og i kirken forventer vi, at man tager Gud alvorligt, når Han i bibelen kræver ærlighed omkring pengesager. Det blev ikke taget hånd om på den måde, at der blev fremlagt et regnskab, hvor kirken gjorde rede for, hvordan beløbet var kommet ind i kirkens regnskab, og det blev ikke anmeldt til politiet. Dertil kommer skattefradraget, at det ikke var muligt at få fradrag for gavebidrag af de penge, Lone Ambæk stjal. Den anmeldte gruppe havde kendskab til dette, men gjorde ikke noget i forhold til deres kendskab, og var dermed medskyldige. Hvordan kan ledere være så respektløse og lemfældige over for os, der forsørger dem i deres arbejde med vores penge??? 2. For det andet var Daniela telefonisk af Statsadvokaten blevet rådet til at politianmelde så mange som muligt, hvilket vi dermed gjorde. Følgelig mener jeg ikke, at dette forløb har noget med chikane mod Jonas Serner-Pedersen at gøre. Er der chikane er det da, at han nægter at tale med os og nægter os de to papirer vi havde brug for til at komme til England. Jonas og de øvrige præster og ledere, som var politianmeldt skulle da i stedet tale med politiet om de penge, som Lone Ambæk tog fra deres menighedsmedlemmer, og få det indklaget hos politiet og få det bragt frem i lyset for de bestjålne mennesker fra menighederne.
I næste afsnit i ”anmeldelsesrapport” står der om Jonas Serner-Pedersen ”Af forskellige grunde valgte afh. at trække sig som præst”. Dette er udtryk for en grov fortielse! Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen blev fyret på grund af hvad man kan betegne som samarbejdsvanskeligheder med Ledergruppen i Kolding Valgmenighed. Det er altså løgn når han siger, at han trak sig. Han siger dog ikke, at han sagde sin stilling op, så han mener måske, at han trak sig fra de seks måneders fritstilling efter fyringen ved at søge stilling i Hjerm, eller han mener måske at han trak sig fra et planlagt menighedsmøde, hvor der skulle stemmes blandt menigheden om, hvorvidt Jonas skulle genansættes, idet der var en herskende utilfredshed i menigheden med Ledergruppens fyring. Men det ændrer stadig ikke på, at han fordrejer sin situation, han fremstiller sig selv i et bedre lys ved at undlade at fortælle, at han var fyret, og dermed lyver han!
Derefter beskriver pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, at ”da Daniela erfarede den beslutning gav hun afh. Omklamrende omsorg og mente hun af gud var valgt som afh. personlige profet i præstegerningen med en lind strøm af profetier, som når de ikke blev fulgt blev hyppigere og voldsommere”. Daniela er anerkendt som profet og indsat i profetembedet af præsteparret ved Pinsekirken i Kolding, en åndelig handling, som vi ikke tager let på, for det er Guds uddelegerede autoritet, der kommer til udtryk her. Det profetiske betyder Gudsinspireret, og Daniela opfatter alt med Gud og profettjeneste med meget stor respekt. Derfor vil jeg blot her sige, at Jonas Serner-Pedersen håner Gud ved ikke at anerkende Daniela som profet. Dette må han derfor selv stå til regnskab over for Gud. Jonas Serner-Pedersen havde tilsyneladende en profet uden for kirken, som ingen af os så, Hans Anker, som var hans ”seerprofet” og rådgiver i bøn. Vi opfatter det som meget betænkeligt, at en person som overhovedet ikke er en del af kirken profeterer og giver Jonas vejledning i sit præstekald. Hvordan tør Jonas være en del af noget, der foregår i det skjulte?
Da han var blevet fyret, og ikke ”da Daniela erfarede den beslutning”, bad han Daniela om at bede for sig, og sagde til hende, at det betød noget for ham, at det netop var hende, der bad for ham. Altså ikke noget, der tyder på afstandtagen til hendes profetiske virke, også i forbøn. Derefter beskriver Jonas, hvordan han dagligt fik et stort antal sms’er, mails og telefonbeskeder. Han valgte at ikke læse og høre dem, men han valgte så ikke at stå frem som en mand og direkte og uden omsvøb at fortælle Daniela, at hendes beskeder var uønskede! At tro, at han ved at ignorere de mange beskeder, hvoraf en del handlede om smerten ved netop denne ignorering kunne stoppe beskederne er da dumt, men at beskrive over for politiet, at han måtte inddrage dem fordi han ikke selv kunne stoppe dem med en sætning i en mail og sms, når der forventes handling og ansvarlighed for forsømmelse og tavshed er da barnagtigt, pivet og ansvarsfralæggende! For mig hører det til en 17-årigs handlemåde at skrive en sms og mail at han ikke mere vil have noget med Daniela at gøre, når han har været så tæt på hende, som Daniela bevidner. Samme dag som han sender sms og mail, har Daniela sms’et Jonas, at hun vil kontakte hans forældre, fordi hun bliver isoleret fra sine veninder på grund af at han er præst. Han skriver til Daniela, at det ikke bliver til noget mellem dem, med direkte reference til at Daniela ville gå til hans forældre. Jonas Serner-Pedersen har udsendt dobbelte signaler, og Daniela er den, man ikke vil tro på, fordi hun ikke er præst. Samtidig skriver Jonas, at han ikke er løbet fra Daniela. Han har brug for fuld kontrol.
Det er korrekt som Jonas siger, at Daniela skrev til Jonas, at hun gerne ville have ham med på lederskole i Bradford, England. Hertil svarede han, at han ikke ville med, at det aldrig blev de to som par, og at han har sat pris på hendes omsorg, men må løse hende fra den og ”Vær derfor sød at holde inde med mails, sms’er og opkald.”. Vi tidligere har anført, at Jonas aldrig har meldt ud til Daniela, at han ikke ville modtage flere mails, sms’er og opkald. Det har beroet på en forglemmelse i forhold til denne mail fra mig Lars. Men som sagen står, har Daniela ingen chancer for at fortælle Jonas at han med øjne, hænder og ord har udnyttet hende og nu bare dikterer hende at hun ikke må tale om hans handlinger og ord og øjne og den sjoflen det så fremstår som når han beder hende i sms at ignorere hans adfærd, at hun bare tage imod hans vilje og kontrol, og senere i august til begravelsen fortsætter han og giver knus osv. Og han skriver i mail til Daniela at hun må regne med, at han skal til Hjerm – der bliver intet imellem dem, men ”det betyder ikke, at jeg er løbet fra dig”. Udnyttende mandeadfærd.
Daniela svarede så bl.a. som følger på Jonas’ mail:
”jeg er der hvor jeg har brug for at du taler med mig uanset Jonas og især hvis du mener det smerter dig
du kommer ikke uden om det
for så har du en masse du må sætte ord på og det kommer du ikke uden om
jeg er ikke en kvinde man leger med og ikke en du har vis det med kropssprog og adfærd du tror du sagde , med at NOA OG DIG
nej DU HAR SELV VIST DET HELT MODSATTE OG DU HAR ANSVAR OG STÅR TIL REGNSKAB OGSÅ FORDI DU IKKE SÅ HAR TALT MED MIG ALLERFØRSTE GANG DU LÆSTE MIN MAIL OM MINE FØLELSER FOR DA SKU DU HA MELDT UD LIGE DER OG IKKE FØRST SENERE
OG DU HAR ANSVAR FOR AT JEG LEVER I ISOLATION
OG DET ER IKKE GUDS VEJ FOR MIG
SÅ DU MÅ VÆLGE
SKAL LARS SKRIVE TIL UDFORDRINGEN ELLER DINE FORÆLDRE
DU ER INDKALDT TIL SAMTALE FORLÆNGST OG DU VED DET ER BEVIDST DU IKKE HAR GJORT DET KÆRE KÆRE JONAS
DU MÅ VÆLGE DIN EGEN MÅDE AT FÅ DET FORKLARET FOR MIG
ENTEN OM DU KOMMER OG TALER MED MIG OG KLART TIL VI BEGGE HAR FATTET HVAD DET HELE DREJER SIG OM
ALT KOMMER FREM OG DU HAR IKKE LOV TIL AT BEHANDLE MIG SÅDAN DET VED DU NU OM DU IKKE HAR FORSTÅET AT GUD ELSKER MIG OG ALLE KVINDER OG IKKE TILLADER MÆND AT LEVE SÅDAN”
Daniela slår altså på Jonas' personlige ansvar for handling, kropssprog og ord. Er det for meget forlangt, at en mand og præst stiller sig op personligt og fortæller, hvad der foregår? Når det nu rent faktisk er sådan at der har været mere end en almindelig kontakt imellem dem sådan som Daniela fortæller om i en tidligere mail, hvor hun mødte Jonas i byen og han der rørte ved hende. Ellers er der da tale om udnyttelse og en form for sexchikane fra Jonas Serner-Pedersens side.
Det var så dengang. Senere skete der det, at vi bad sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen om to papirer: en udmeldelseskvittering fra Kolding Valgmenighed og en udtalelse til brug for kirker i England. Her har han føjet endnu en undladelse til, ved end ikke at bekræfte at han har modtaget anmodningen, som blev givet pr sms og indtalt på telefonsvarer. Det er efter min mening en alvorlig embedsforsømmelse.
Daniela er 52 år! Hun beder om papirer, så hun kan komme på Academy i Bradford. Hun forfølger ikke Jonas.
Daniela siger nu ”Det er virkelig stress for mig at Jonas hindrer mig i at søge ind på Academy blot måske fordi han kun har fokus på, at han ikke vil med. Jeg ville fortsat gerne derover, men får aldrig vigtigt papir fra Jonas. Jeg er ikke en desperat forelsket person, der ikke kan leve uden Jonas eller ikke bo i England uden Jonas. Han fremstiller mig som en forfølger, men mit mål er at rejse udenlands i sommeren 2012, lige så vel Lars til England.”
Følgende passus får mig til at undres stort: ”Slutteligt skrev Daniela, at om afh. ikke ville returnere til Kolding menighed, måtte de personligt tage til Hjerm, hvilket afstedkom, at afh. blev fuldstændig bevidst om, at han ikke mere kunne nøjes med at ignorere og ikke selv kunne stoppe chikanen og derfor henvendte sig til herværende station for hjælp”. (Jeg må indskyde, at vi aldrig har bedt ham returnere til Kolding menighed, men det må bero på en fejlhøring fra den indberettende politiembedsmands side, hvilket er forståeligt). Her får vi jo den egentlige sandhed om hvorfor Jonas har forholdt sig tavs. Han vil simpelthen ikke møde Daniela. Hvorfor det er så farligt, ved vi ikke, for han havde ikke problemer med det, da han gav hende omfavnelse ved veninden Marys begravelse. Men da skulle de heller ikke snakke sammen. At vi ville tage til Hjerm og tale med ham, var et tilbud om at få en ende på en for begge parter utålelig situation. Det er ganske enkelt uforståeligt for mig, hvad der foregår her. 1. Jonas Serner-Pedersen ignorerer totalt, at Daniela er i stor smerte, fordi han forholder sig tavs. Ingen empati her. Daniela har bedt Jonas forholde sig til sit ansvar som præst, at Kova mangler diakoni og beder om tilgivelse for det. Kan en kirke være såkaldt ”missional” uden diakoni? Jonas havde sagt, at han først skulle tænke over, hvad han har gjort hvis han skulle tage så stort et ord ”bede om tilgivelse” i sin mund, men han spørger ikke ind til hvad hun talte om. Han reagerer ikke på at vi igen og igen beder ham troppe op og få gjort rent bord, hvorefter vi ville holde op med at kontakte ham. 2. Da vi tilbyder at komme op og mødes face to face, bliver han panisk og går til politiet for at afværge den mulighed. Han siger at han vil stoppe chikanen, og ikke selv kunne gøre det, og derfor går han til politiet. Her har vi kernen i at han misbruger politiet. Hvordan han man have mere tillid til at det giver bedre resultat at ignorere end at tale sammen, og ikke mindst når forhistorien er, at han har modtaget mange meddelelser om at vi gerne ville se ham face to face og var frustrerede over og Daniela var i krise over at han ikke svarede på disse henvendelser? Og hvorfor tager han dog ikke den konfrontation? – hvis han endelig ville bruge politiet, kunne han have bedt om, at de kom til stede ved mødet mellem ham og os, eller han kunne sige, at vi kunne mødes sammen med et vidne, han havde tillid til. Skjuler han noget? Ja, det har han gjort, hvilket jeg har vist ovenfor – og han har næppe forestillet sig, at det han har betroet politiet, ville komme os for øje i kraft af aktindsigt.
I det hele taget forstår jeg ikke, at politiet kan bedømme om der skal etableres et tilhold ved kun at høre den ene part i sagen. Jeg har nu fremstillet, hvordan Jonas Serner-Pedersen lyver og omgås sandheden, så vi ville virkelig ønske, at vi kunne komme i afhøring og under edsansvar, så vi fik lejlighed til at give vores version af tingene, så vi bliver hørt og troet på, hvilket vi aldrig har fået, fordi politiet har påstået, at vi ikke ville udtale os.
Jeg vil nu trække nogle ting omkring Jonas Serner-Pedersens fyring frem. Her er det Daniela, der fortæller: Jesper Fodgaard, formand for Dansk Oase og en som hedder Balle (husker ikke fornavnet), var blevet kaldt til Kolding af Ledergruppen ved formand Erling Hybschmann for at medvirke som observatører den aften, hvor der skulle være afstemning. Daniela kom ned på Jonas’ kontor i Klostergade inden og bad Jonas om at tale med pastor Erik Hviid-Larsen, Betlehemskirken i København for at han kunne hjælpe ham til, både for hans egen og for menighedens skyld at få den afstemning stoppet, fordi det var en forfærdelig tid for os alle. Ledergruppen havde hold hemmelige møder gennem lang tid uden Jonas’ medvirken, har han fortalt. Samtidig udsendte de mest forvirrende og ubehagelige mails. Erling Hybschmann og Ledergruppen havde skrevet ud angående fyringen ”Det handler ikke om for eller imod Jonas, men for Kova”. Bente Hilligsø, Jonas’ eks-svigerinde, havde skrevet en ironisk kommentar til den statement på Facebook, og vi var mange, som overhovedet ikke fattede hvad Erling mente med det. Det var goddag mand økseskaft. Lars syntes også det var mærkeligt, at Ledergruppen først fyrede Jonas og derefter indbød til en afskedsfest for ham. Det var meget ubehageligt og forvirrende. Alle blev spillet ud mod hinanden i det, der foregik.
For en tid siden sagde Jørgen Pedersen, medlem af Kova, til Daniela: ”Det var noget rod der i sommer”.
Til afskedsfesten kørte Daniela ind til kirken med Jens Christian Olesen, ansat i Dansk Oase, og han gav udtryk for at de havde givet tilladelse til at Jonas prædikede der ved sin afskedsgudstjeneste. Den formulering ”tilladelse til” skurrede i Danielas ører. Jens Chr. Olesen sagde også, at Jonas havde været virkelig stædig ved de møder der havde været holdt. Det faldt virkelig Daniela for brystet, og skurrede i hendes ører.
Daniela havde mødt Jonas, i bil på vej til et vennepar i Hjarup – Brian Mortensen, formand efter Erling Hybschmann. Jonas var meget ulykkelig og så ked af at de nu nok skulle til at endevende alt fra hans liv ved menighedsmødet. Anja Keld var med i Ledergruppen i lang tid, men Jonas fortalte, at hun var ”vendt om” og var holdt op med at mobbe ham. Hun vil også kunne bevidne, at der er foregået mærkelige ting.
Daniela var nede på Jonas’ kontor, og han ville have, at hun skulle bede for sig, og Daniela var meget ramt, da hun erfarede, at Jonas var så ked af det. Da de gik derfra, sagde Daniela at hun ville ønske hun kunne gøre noget for ham. Han svarede at han elsker at snakke med hende, og hun har den, der havde gjort mest for ham. Det er virkelig store ord, men hvor er da den ”omklamrende omsorg”, han taler om? Men det handler måske om at hun bad for ham for hans egen skyld og for menigheden, at få stoppet den afstemning og det menageri, og at hun da han blev fyret, havde sagt ”nu har du fået dit frihedsbrev, Jonas, med hensyn til at du kommer ud af det dårlige arbejdsmiljø med mobning, og den tid skulle du bruge på at komme ovenpå og få helbredelse af sind og følelser og krop og få hjælp til det”. Det har nok ikke passet Jonas Serner-Pedersen, for han ønskede vist kun at være på arbejde som præst i kirken. Han havde ”drømt om at blive gammel sammen med menigheden” sagde han ved afskedsmiddagen. Men han havde også fortalt Daniela og hendes veninde Mary, at der var en fløj i kirken, som ikke kunne lide ham – det var nok halvdelen, lød det til. For Daniela er det naturligt, når man står i et mobbemiljø og er i krise, at tilråde at man kommer væk og får hjælp. Hans dømmekraft var ikke i balance på det tidspunkt, og han ville heller ikke kunne forudse der, om afstemningen ville falde sådan at han ville se det som sin fordel, - at han skulle fortsætte med Erling Hybschmann som leder af Ledergruppen, ville være helt urealistisk. Der havde han en rolle som dørmåtte, der gik stille omkring og blev trådt på, og ingen fik noget at vide om at de mobbede ham konstant ved at kalde ham ”en dårlig leder”. Daniela fortalte ham, at hun ikke ser ham som en dårlig leder, men som en leder i proces.
Ved afskedsgudstjenesten i Kolding Valgmenighed 2012 prædikede Jonas Serner-Pedersen decideret over et syn, Daniela havde fået og profeteret om Jesus og kirken i Kolding og Danmark. Se det her: http://goo.gl/U6pVF1. Det er dog mærkeligt, at Jonas overhovedet tillader sig som præst at lade sig inspirere så meget af Daniela, når han har den holdning til hende som han har lagt frem her. Hans inderste og ærlige holdning er vel det, han betror politiet om hendes troværdighed og integritet. Vi kan kun kommentere, at vi mener han tager, hvad han kan bruge, hvad der lige passer ind i hans livsbilleder og omsorg for egen tarv. Det er ganske enkelt umuligt for os at hitte hoved og hale i hvilket noget af det han siger, vi skal tage til efterretning: 1. han vil ikke have noget med Daniela at gøre, 2. han vil have Daniela i sit liv, for han har holdt på hende og tog hvad han kunne bruge.
Ved samme afskedsgudstjeneste var Jonas tydeligvis meget ked af det, ikke mindst da børnene kom med en afskedsgave, en cykel. Han havde direkte øjenkontakt med Daniela, og hun overvejede lynhurtigt, hvad der var passende at gøre her, men smed ”passende” ud og gik sammen med mig op og støttede Jonas, Daniela med armen omkring ham og jeg med en hånd på skulderen. Daniela fik også et stort knus af Bess, Jonas’ mor.
Vi har virkelig brug for at Jonas står foran os og siger de ting, han virkelig mener, for vi oplevere os nu så ført bag lyset, og det har fået den konsekvens at Jonas har gjort os utroværdige over for politiet i Danmark, og vi har mistet vores retssikkerhed. Vi kan slet ikke rumme at skulle betale bøder for penge, som vi slet ikke har.
Jonas kalder i et andet dokument vi har fået aktindsigt i Daniela for syg, og at hun burde indlægges. Men Daniela går ind for lov og orden, og påtaler stærkt vigtigheden af at følge lov og orden og respekt for mennesker. Og når det ikke bliver hørt, bliver Guds stemme højere og højere. Når Jonas siger at han ikke følger profetier, er det et oprør mod at leve ud fra orden og sandhed, ikke til gavn for sin næste, han så stædigt stritter imod. Danielas læge Birgitte Holde sagde sidste sommer, at Jonas Serner-Pedersens tavshedsstrategi ikke havde noget med hende at gøre – det var alene et udtryk for Jonas’ uhensigtsmæssige måde at løse sine problemer på.
Med de ting vi her har peget på i Jonas’ liv, kan vi ærligt være dybt bekymrede for, hvordan det vil forløbe for Hjerm sogn. Har man først løjet om en ting, bliver resten af det, man siger jo farvet af denne løgn, og hvornår kan man så virkelig stole på ham, hvis han ikke selv bekender og tager afstand fra løgnen? Vi er bekymret for at menigheden deroppe bliver ført bag lyset, ligesom vi er blevet det.
Vi skrev forrige sommer til Biskop Karsten Nissen og provst Carsten Hoffmann og bad om tilsyn, medarbejderomsorg, og –pleje over for Jonas Serner-Pedersen, fordi vi kunne se, at den krise han havde været i, stadig påvirkede hans valg og handlinger. Derfor kan vi ikke undgå at kalde biskop og provst til ansvar for at tingene står, som de står i dag.
Danielas 89 årige mor har sagt, ”Det var da ham som var sådan en god mand”, og at Kolding Valgmenighed da må da vide, hvad der er sket, og hun siger, at hun ikke ønsker at hendes børnebørn skal have Jonas som rollemodel.
Daniela kan ikke leve med, at præsten Jonas Serner-Pedersen har leget med hende på den måde han har. Som profet vil hun være i samarbejde med en præst, det er Guds orden, og hvis hun ikke kan stole på at præsten kan skille det personlige og det professionelle ad, og ikke kan stole på at han siger det, han mener, er hun naturligvis på meget usikker grund og bliver personligt mærket og ødelagt af det.
Vi har hele tiden valgt at sige det, vi mener, foran mennesker, ikke at tale bag andres ryg. Jonas har åbenbart valgt det modsatte, at tale bag vores ryg. Daniela har fået den kommentar fra en ung pige, at hun har hørt så meget dårligt om hende. Daniela kender ikke den pige overhovedet.
Vi vil ønske, at vi kunne komme i forhør, så vi under ed kan give vores version af forløbet. Det er ikke til at leve med at være gjort utroværdige over for politiet.
I et af dokumenterne, "Anmeldelsesrapport" vedr tilhold fra Jonas Serner-Pedersen, dateret 3. oktober 2012, referat ved Lisbeth Heiredahl står der ""men sluttede med PER's ret til at kontakte en præst på alle tider af døgnet, hvilket politiet ikke skulle blande sig i, hvorefter samtalen sluttede".
Dette er simpelthen ikke sandt. Betjent Lisbeth Heiredahl må have hørt helt galt i telefonen, og vi forstår jo stadig ikke at ordensmagten aldrig kaldte os ind sådan som Daniela sagde ja til, nemlig forhør og om de ville vise hensyn til at hun er alvorligt mærket og i behandling for de traumer som læge Henrik Prinds Rasmussen kaldte "psykisk terror og chikane i kirker".
HUN HAR IKKE SAGT NOGET om at ringe til en præst dag og nat. Hun har grimme erfaringer fra "Oase"-præst Jens Fischer Nielsen
(foreningen Dansk Oase), Esbjerg, der fik lov til at køre et modbydeligt spil med hende og hendes store børn og deres far!
EN PRÆST BLIVER GIVET AL TROVÆRDIGHED, HVAD ENTEN HAN LEVER OP TIL DEN ELLER EJ. Jeg var altid med til samtaler med Jonas og ellers var hendes veninde Mary med, undtagen de sidste måneder - det ønskede Daniela udtrykkeligt af mig, men de allersidste måneder var jeg ikke, så måske derfor kan Jonas køre rundt med sandhed og løgn??
Daniela har ikke ADHD , og tænker derfor overhovedet ikke på sig selv som en der har ADHD.
Jonas har sendt to mails til Daniela, med forskellige oplysninger hvor den ene ophæver den anden. Temmelig forvirrende. Hvad mener han egentlig foran og bag vores ryg?
Det er ugennemsigtigt lederskab. En præst og leder kan ikke bare diktere ud over os, og ikke være villig til dialog. Enten er Jonas S-Pedersen i stort underskud i sommer 2012, som vi har skrevet om, eller også er han utrolig kold og kynisk. Det er hamrende utrygt at være udsat for sådan en leder. Vi kan fremvise disse mails til politiet til yderligere opklaring, om nødvendigt.
Med venlig hilsen Lars Skov Krøgholt
Den 22. sep. 2013 03.01 skrev Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>:
Deres Majestæt!
Justitsministeriet
Den Danske Præsteforening
Biskop Karsten Nissen
Provst Carsten Hoffmann
Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi
Vi har fået al den aktindsigt, vi har bedt om. Nemlig også i de afhøringer politiet har foretaget af Jonas Serner-Pedersen. Tak for det!
De vigtigste dokumenter kan ses og downloades her: http://goo.gl/oRA5Ui
Jeg mener, at sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen har spildt politiets kostbare ressourcer og tid. Daniela har flere gange sagt, at Jonas røvrender politiet. Jonas pudser politiet på en sag, som han selv havde kunnet klare. Sidste sommer forsøgte vi at få en samtale med ham og at få ham til at skrive to for os vigtige papirer, så vi kunne komme til England, og følgelig ikke ville ”chikanere” ham længere.
Det grænser til det komiske, at en af de mails, Jonas vedlagde til politiet, og som vi har fået kopi af som del af aktindsigten, er en hvor jeg med store bogstaver skriver til ham: ”Du har til enhver tid kunnet henvende dig til Daniela eller jeg og snakke med os, og så ville du ikke få flere sms’er eller mails!!” (Se ”Bilag 1”).
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02-03-2014
Jonas siger foran os "rørt over din omsorg" og "(I) har været så gode mod mig". Hvordan kan han så sige noget helt modsat om os til politiet? indgriben
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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014
Subject: Jonas siger foran os "rørt over din omsorg" og "(I) har været så gode mod mig". Hvordan kan han så sige noget helt modsat om os til politiet? indgriben
Jonas Serner-Pedersen jonas@serner.dk
21/03/12
til mig
1000 tak Lars! :-)
Dig og Daniela har været så gode mod mig i de her dage!
Kærligst,
-Jonas
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
Your Majesty!
Dear Minister of Justice Søren Pind
Dear Bishop Henrik Stubkjær
Yes Jonas we do of course not write to, since he has a right to go to the police because of police restraint, and as it was said last time we heard from them in this case: “Next time is it PRISON” – that is, if we contact Jonas.
Dear Hans Anker
Dear KOVA / Kolding Valgmenighed
Dear Dansk Oase
Dear Jonas' colleges at Hjerm Churches
Dear Hans Anker.
You may be aware that you are included in the emails which both go to the Queen, the Ministry of Justice and all the bishops and many more because you, according to your friend, Jonas Serner-Pedersen, in 2012 have declared that you are his Prophet and Intercessor and thus is his closest Adviser and really because of him an accomplice in his lies, together with the police. We were trying to get your mail address in 2012 already so we could talk with you, but it failed. We, Lars Krøgholt and I Daniela Skov are going to start a lawsuit against Jonas with a tough defense attorney who many times has won cases when he was going up against the State. Jonas is so stubborn and he himself will not remove police restraining order from us, even though a lawyer orally has already said to US: "you have not done anything illegal!" and Jonas has no durable case, and the attorney will get the estrangement measures removed. In the first place, we are forced to pay 10000kr to start up this act. So Jonas can of course pay the future LITIGATION costs, Jonas, as the one who loses his case. But it is unbearably that he has deprived us since 2012 on absolutely essential areas of life and that you too may take up before the LORD JESUS CHRIST what KIND of PRAYERS and PROPHETIC WORDS YOU INSPIRE JONAS with who GETS SO SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. THE CASE HAS BEEN SENT ALL THE WAY TO THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN BRUSSELS AND SINCE IT STILL CAN BE INVESTIGATED IN DENMARK THEY SENT IT BACK.
KIND REGARDS LARS AND DANIELA
PLEASE TALK TO JONAS ABOUT THIS. WHATEVER YOU WRITE TO US WILL BE PUBLISHED. The CHURCH is and will be the HOUSE of GOD and PUBLIC AS WELL AS PUBLIC FIGURES and EVEN the PASTORS are EMPLOYED by the STATE and GOVERNED by DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED BISHOPS, DEANS and PARISH COUNCILS. Just so you know that this is a FULLY PUBLICLY KNOWN CASE OUT in OTHER NATIONS, NEWSPAPERS and GOVERNMENTS too. IT IS UNFAIR THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED BECAUSE OF JONAS IF YOUR ARE NOT AWARE OF ALL OF THIS PROFOUNDLY SERIOUS MATTER.
Including comes copy of miscellaneous messages sent to a group of recipients in Denmark and abroad.
From 2012 Jonas Serner-Pedersen's failure to carry out his administrative tasks and instead pass lies to the police behind our backs and without our knowledge and reporting us into the Danish National Church without our knowledge, so that we have paid the church tax, was the reason why we were tied, and could not have access into the churches in England with their expectations about references. Now we have a tainted criminal record, which means that we cannot seek visas to, among other things the United States.
Serner-Pedersen had apparently a prophet outside the Church, who none of us saw, Hans Anker, who was his "seer prophet" and advisor in prayer. We see it as very dubious, that a person who is not a part of the local church prophesies and gives Jonas guidance in his priestly office. How dare Jonas be a part of something that is going on in secret?
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From: Blissfulcreationsblog <lkrogholt@gmail.com >
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2015
Subject: From 2012 Jonas Serner-Pedersen's failure to carry out his administrative tasks and instead pass lies to the police behind our backs and without our knowledge and reporting us into the Danish National Church without our knowledge, so that we have paid the church tax, was the reason why we were tied, and could not have access into the churches in England with their expectations about references. Now we have a tainted criminal record, which means that we cannot seek visas to, among other things The United States.
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Your Majesty!
Dear Prime Minister Helle Thorning Schmidt
Dear Church and culture Minister Marianne Jelved
Dear Justice Minister Mette Frederiksen
The Danish Pastor's Association
Dear Bishop Henrik Stubkjær
Dear Dean Carsten Hoffmann
Dear Hjerm Parish Council
Dear EU-Council Member Morten Helveg-Pedersen
Dear Jesper Fodgaard
Dear Carsten Bach
Dear Keld Dahlmann
Dear Frikirkenet
We send some mails originally posted in 2012-2013, where we deal with what we have learned through the access we got in the papers the police have about the police estrangement measures, vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen has given us.
We have found papers from Jonas’ interrogation where his information does not match the information we provide. It has been very frustrating not being able to get papers to England. We've felt ourselves tied to Denmark for two years. We've got fines which means for Daniela that she cannot seek a visa to the United States. The police has written in papers in connection with the restraining order we have received from your parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, that Daniela told the police that she had the right to contact a pastor, day and night, but that’s not true. She has ugly experiences from Pastor Jens Fischer Nielsen, now Kolding (Danish Association Oase, Esbjerg), which was allowed to run a disgusting game with her and her big children and their father. Jonas knows about this matter, and Daniela has an anxiety and fear of pastors, because of this, so Police Constable Lisbet Hejredal does not have that information from Daniela. It also says so in the text below. Police also says that she has ADHD, she should have told the police. Daniela does not have ADHD and does not think of herself as one who has ADHD, so she has not said that to Lisbet Hejredal about herself. It only gives misconceptions and lies, when we are not being questioned.
To The minister Of Justice, Mette Frederiksen. ‼ Foreign minister Villy Søvndal and his colleagues in three other EU countries proposes that countries, which go against the values of the European Union, should be punished. "‼ DR Mobile http://mobil.dr.dk/smartphone/#artikel/nyheder/politik/2013/03/09/0309073124.htm CRUMBLING confidence! -The credibility of the European project depends on us living up to the standards we have set for ourselves, they write and warn of crumbling confidence. -The credibility of the European project depends on us living up to the standards we have set for ourselves, they write and warn of crumbling confidence. "And in order to ensure that the country dishes in, one must ultimately be able to suspend payments to the country from the EU. ... ... "
We notice that Parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen tells the police that we'd like to go to England *). That is - he cannot deny that he knows that we have asked him to help us with an administrative work. We emailed him on 19. Sept. 2012 and we offered to take the trip up to HJERM, so he won't have to drive to Kolding and bring order. He could email back: "I don't want you to come. No I will not write a recommendation for DANIELA. No I will not rectify by giving DANIELA a RECEIPT/confirmation in writing on whether I have resigned her from Kolding Valgmenighed church! ". It could take him up to a maximum of maybe 5 minutes to email us the answer. Instead, he runs to the police in HOLSTEBRO and CONFIDES to THEM an OVER EXCITED VERSION and Daniela is BROUGHT in shock and crisis of police phone call and unexpected telephone interview and EVERYTHING on the SUBJECT is BIZARRE and without HEALTHY CONTEXT with SOMETHING WE CAN ASSOCIATE US with until today! We are at the mercy of his version.
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We are sending this link with about pastors’ secrecy, and we're looking for a document where Jonas says, that I have told that I got sick because of what we had been through in the Church, and thus breaking his secrecy.
http://www.fyensstift.dk/artikler-and-columns/kresten-drejergaard/confidentiality/
[Note, 20. November 2015: The article is no longer available]
‼‼ Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen unfortunately forgets his responsibilities as a professional leader and pastor. In my world a pastor does not just refrain from responding to repeated inquiries, especially not if they are concerning that the person inquiring has it really badly because of the pastor's omissions. And he forces us to stay here with his inaction, when he refuses to give us a paper with references!!
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Daniela is 52 years! She asks about the papers, so she can get on the Academy in Bradford. She does not pursue Jonas.
‼‼ Daniela says now "it's really stressful for me that Jonas hinders me in applying for the Academy maybe just because his only focus is that he won't be with me. I would still like to get there but I never get the important paper from Jonas. I'm not a desperately in love person who cannot live without Jonas or cannot not live in England without Jonas. He portrays me as a persecutor, but my goal is to travel abroad in the summer of 2012, just as Lars to England."
‼‼ In the next section in "notification report" it says about Jonas Serner-Pedersen "for various reasons the interviewed chose to resign as pastor ". This is indicative of a serious concealment! Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen was fired because of what one might describe as difficulties in cooperating with the management team in Kolding Valgmenighed church. In other words, it is a lie when he says he pulled himself. He does not say, however, that he resigned from his post, so he maybe thinks that he withdrew from the six-month time off work after dismissal by seeking position in Hjerm, or he may believe that he withdrew from a planned Congregational meeting where there was supposed to be put to the vote among the Congregation of whether Jonas should be reinstated, since there was a prevailing dissatisfaction in the congregation with the firing by the Management team. However, it still doesn't change the fact that he distorts his situation, he manufactures himself in a better light by failing to tell that he was fired, and thus he is lying!
‼ ‼ In the annex "interrogation report" the pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen describes how he "placed himself at the disposal of listening" to our report on conditions in the Pentecostal Church in Kolding. The motivation to tell about this process in a questioning in connection with the restraining order is not known, but a hint you get maybe by looking at the end of this initial section, where he tells that we notified a number of leaders, including himself, and of that he was maybe offended/perplexed and thought maybe that it was part of the "harassment" he has experienced from our side. He just does not tell about the reason we notified this group of persons, which was 1. It was about personal acquisition of collected funds to the Pentecostal Church, the theft of course participants’ and God's money, of which the Pentecostal Church did take care, but it was never for instance reported to the police. In the society outside of the Church it will perhaps be said that this is a triviality, because it was not a question of six-digit amounts, but fraud is fraud, and in the Church, we expect that you take God seriously, when He in the Bible requires honesty about money matters. It was not taken care of in the sense that there was presented an account where the Church explained how the amount was entered in the Church's accounts, and it was not reported to the police. In addition, the tax credit, that it was not possible to claim a deduction for the contribution of the gift money, Lone Ambæk stole. The Group was aware of this, but did nothing in relation to their knowledge, and was thus complicit. How can leaders be so disrespectful and permissive to those of us who provide them in their work with our money??? 2. Secondly, Daniela by telephone by the public prosecutor had been advised to Police notify as many persons as possible, which we did. Consequently, I do not believe that this course of events had anything to do with harassment against Jonas Serner-Pedersen. If there is harassment, it is really that he refuses to talk with us and denies us the two papers we needed to come to England. Jonas and the other pastors and leaders who were police notified should instead talk to the police about the money, which Lone Ambæk took from their parishioners, and have it appeal pending with the police and get it brought into the light for the people from the churches who have been robbed. ‼ ️‼️‼️
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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2013
Subject:Resumption of the case on the basis of new information?
Your Majesty!
The mail originally sent to
To the South-East Jutland Police, Attn: Anders Fredsted.
To Mid and Western Jutland Police attention: Lisbeth Heiredal.
After having consulted the Minister of Justice and the public prosecutor of how to proceed with the case, which we do not think is finalized,-which have given us the advice to write to the police, we are sending this, as are two previously released e-mails, as well as an elaboration of certain aspects of the case, to the South-East Jutland Police and Mid and West Jutland Police, in order to state our view of the case concerning restraining order which parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen has put us in.
Is it possible, in the light of the party post, we here come with, that the estrangement measures can be admitted to be reconsidered, or should we take action by the court?
Thank you, if we can get an early response.
Yours Lars Skov Krøgholt.
[Daniela Skov Social Security number
Lars Skov Krøgholt Social Security number]
Further information can be found on the freedom of expression
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Now, the 19. September it was a year ago that vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen went to the police in Holstebro and got started up his case against us so that we later got a police restraining order. But instead he could just have used a quarter of an hour to write two documents that we need to come to churches in England and take a normal conversation with us, as you may expect from a pastor.
We have repeatedly pointed out that it is not true, when it says that we have not been willing to come for questioning in connection with Jonas Serner-Pedersen's restraining order against us. Daniela Skov has been asked, by a phone call from the police in Kolding, if she would come for questioning that very day in October, and she immediately said yes, and asked that I Lars Skov Krøgholt could join her, and that there had to be a doctor because she was hit by severe stress anxiety, when a COP from police in Holstebro rang her up 19. September 2012 and used the word “charged”, and she became wildly shocked and understood nothing. The police officer has not made himself known here a year after. How can a police officer conceal his identity? Does police not have note obligations? That evening, explained an officer from the Service Center in Horsens, that they did not have the note on, that she had been called up and that she was charged, so maybe it was just someone who made fun with her? It made her even more stunned-who could take on such a thing? I, Lars Skov Krøgholt have not even been asked by police to come for questioning, and Daniela has also not been asked either from the police in Struer or Holstebro, when they called, if she would come for questioning, so she could deliver her explanation. We still believe that the basis on which we have been banned from contacting Jonas Serner-Pedersen is very loosely. We have been convicted and have been assigned a financial penalty without being interrogated. Has the principle of legality been met here? Are there special procedures for a State-employed vicar? -Jonas Serner-Pedersen has, of course, been in for questioning.
Only at the hearing on 13 November. June 2012 in Holstebro for the fines were we talked with. Daniela had not understood that hearing was not about the estrangement measures itself, but only about the fines. We then got help and did explain a little more about the context. Help we had otherwise not had anything of, on the contrary, only angry mails from various "Dansk Oase"-pastors and, not least, editor and journalist Henri Nissen, who has kept the pot to a boil for one full year with accusations against us that we are hateful and that what we write is "toxic", etc. We have no sense of what it is to be charged, and we cannot afford a lawyer so it is only gradually that we stumble through it here, as best we can. While Jonas Serner-Pedersen may go to the police with a pan ready review, and we cannot learn what he has said to the police. Only when almost a year has gone, we get sent access to documents, after we had complained to the European Court of human rights. We got one annex sent from police in Holstebro. We have been losing credibility with the police for a whole year. It is unbearable to live with. Equality before the law-should it not give us the same rights to be heard as Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen?
What we know for sure is that he has been totally silent in the face of us, while at the same time he has behaved as if everything was as it used to be, the few times between summer and 19. September 2012, we have met him since he began his silence protest. By Daniela's friend's funeral last summer, as he was in charge, he came to Daniela when the coffin was carried out and gave her publicly a big embrace, of which we have witnesses. At the coffee table, he came over and gave her a big embrace to the cheers and said "thank you". One of them that sat at the coffee table was also Daniela's second cousin. It is absurd to be in a situation where we must lead evidence and have witnesses. That, we did not have the imagination to imagine when we started asking for the papers in the summer of 2012.
Daniela needed a receipt for resignation of Kolding Valgmenighed church. It is a matter of conscience for her, for she would not be part of being in a context where Jonas Serner-Pedersen had been bullied in 1 ½ years. It had already taken a very long time to get the the notice forms to fill in. He wrote at one point that "now I had better put myself together to get the papers sent ". It was in the summer of 2012, the period of silence, as Henri Nissen and other pastors know nothing about, and that has Jonas not told anything about. Why should we stand for months and ask for papers, that part has he not told the police. In court in Holstebro, they were really surprised by this, it was not noted anywhere. His silence is like pointing at us with the “fuck finger”: "You are of no interest whatsoever to me, I totally don't care what you need". Absolutely no interest and understanding of our need to make progress and our plans and dream of getting to England. It was only he himself that mattered. Instead, he takes a hold on us.
That is why we will ask to be summoned for interrogation so we can have an opportunity to express an opinion in the context of the case, even if it should cost us money, which we do not have to come to Holstebro, but we certainly can't afford the fines, and we can't live with having lost our legal certainty because of administrative neglect, failure to complete an adult man's duties as a pastor!
He really goes over the line by, in what we have had access to, writing to the police that Daniela is sick and in his opinion, should be hospitalized. Why would he have her hospitalized? He does a feather to five hens. It is directly naughty. How can one think that we have peace, and let everyone else bear the burden? In court in Holstebro we got read that a police officer Hanne Nielsen says that Daniela has said she "has ADHD and many other diseases." Daniela does not have ADHD, she does not think of herself into that context. That is too bad. What does such talk have to do with the papers, Jonas should have filled in last the summer?
Comments on the documents we've got access to.
Jonas Serner-Pedersen writes, he "chose to resign". It is a lie, because he was fired from Kolding Valgmenighed Church. He pulled himself from being the subject of a vote in the Congregation about whether there was a majority to reinstate him; but it is camouflaged by him to let this action mean that he pulled = quit his position.
Jonas manufactures it as if he was unilaterally "assaulted" by Daniela ("possessive caring"). He does not tell, that there was a bi-directional communication, a mutuality between them, and that Jonas expressed joy "I love to talk to you" by being together with Daniela. That he should have been the object of possessive caring, he never expressed. He gave hugs, there was eye contact between them, and they stood close together on several occasions. He started by expressing that he liked Daniela. She has not been able to know that he was against her, and she never thought that she would have to prove something. But he lacks evidence for his claims.
Jonas stopped responding to solicitations per sms, mail and phone after the dismissal. He has said that he had nothing against Daniela. He could have spoken with us – we are not mind readers, and have not had the chance to know what his silence meant. After Daniela had asked whether he would join her for the Leadership College in Bradford, we had asked that he wrote a letter of recommendation/reference to use in England, as well as the acknowledgement of resignation of Kolding Valgmenighed Church, which we already had asked for. By the funeral of Daniela's friend, which Jonas is pastoring, we do not talk about the papers or about his silence, since there is enough to see to at the time.
When Jonas was fired, he told Daniela, that he was a bully victim in 1 ½ years. The management team held secret meetings about him. Jonas got to know Sunday before Easter 2012: on Tuesday, you will receive a notice of dismissal. He breaks down in crisis and shock. As the only one in the Group Anja Keld had turned around, and would not be involved in bullying. A member of the Congregation Jørgen Pedersen has said to Daniela in 2013, "it was really a mess that summer" (spring-summer 2012). Erling Hybschmann, Chairman of the management team released strange mails – they worked together round about Jonas. Erling H. said "this is not for or against Jonas, this is for Kova". This is commented in irony by Jonas' former sister-in-law on Facebook. Erling would have numerical growth of the Congregation, and the growth he did not believe, Jonas could provide. Jonas was very, very angry with Erling. He thought they were friends. Thus Jonas repeats the treatment he has been exposed to at Daniela and Lars, who believed Jonas was our friend.
Irene Serner-Pedersen, Jonas' ex-wife told Daniela together with other people in the Congregation that people burdened her about bad things that had happened in the past, because they wanted to protect her husband the pastor against concerns. Jonas sees himself as a playing child, and would like to be represented as such. I experience that people make him a delicate person, who on the most shameful way is overruled by his congregation. Daniela perceives it such that people would just protect themselves, so Jonas could maintain a glossy picture of the Church. In addition, it is common in Christian circles, that one must not be the one you are. It is generally for the Church in Kolding, that one must not know there is a problem. Our friend Atefehe says that "it is just a game". Our friend Thomas Frost Jensen has said about his time at the YMCA, that they constantly go around with a handlebar across in the mouth (big smile).
We haven't had a chance to know that Jonas was so angry at us, which he expresses in the face of the police. Jonas seemed to be totally miserable and in deficit due to firing. We find that we were totally frustrated that he did not contact us about the papers. But in our opinion, it is about that we were bearing with him. We thought his sluggishness was due to large deficits. We asked the Congregation Council, Dean and Bishop of employee care for Jonas. We thought that it might be what he needed, so he could fit a job properly, and also give us the papers. He himself must account for believing that we are against him.
However, we also expect of him to ask us for forgiveness. It is a big word for him to take in his mouth, he has expressed in the past.
How can we be so dangerous that he must have police protection against us? When he knows that it was the papers we asked for, and we were on our way to England, so how could he make Daniela such a desperate seductive personality. He is in the 30s, Daniela was 52, and I was 58 in 2012, so we must necessarily have different perceptions. How can he have the opinion that Daniela is in such a desperation after Jonas? Jonas sees only himself, there is no interaction. Daniela has not come with big love declarations to Jonas, she has been careful and he forgets what he has said and done in the past. It would be easiest for Daniela to show this as a role playing game. He is hiding, so we can't get the papers there on 19 September 2012.
We've got all the access to documents, we have asked for. As also in the interrogations, the police have conducted by Jonas Serner-Pedersen. Thanks for that!
The most important documents can be viewed and downloaded here: http://goo.gl/oRA5Ui
I believe that the vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen has wasted police precious resources and time. Daniela has several times said that Jonas screws the police. Jonas puts the police on a case, which he himself had not been able to cope with. Last summer, we tried to get an interview with him and to get him to write two important papers to us, so we could get to England, and consequently would not "harass" him anymore.
It is on the edge of the comical, that one of the e-mails, Jonas attached to the police, and that we've got a copy of as part of the access is a how I in capitalized letters write to him: "You have at any time been able to contact Daniela or I and talk with us, and after that you would not get more SMS messages or emails!!" (See "Annex 1").
In his explanation to the police (annexes "notification report") Jonas describes how he thinks that Daniela rushed him with hundreds of sms, calls and mails "but since at that time he felt a little sorry for both PER [Daniela] and her ex-husband, he just reacted by ignoring queries". I wonder What he means by that he "felt a little sorry for" us and therefore ignored the requests. It's simply gibberish to me. To have pity in my dictionary means that one stretches out with empathic help. Another option is a mockingly "feel sorry for" – what you write is so embarrassing, that I will not comment on it. However, here Jonas directly lies. He started a "silence project", and Daniela repeatedly wrote e-mails and text messages that she thought Jonas should contact her and tell why he just broke off all contact. And mails and text messages first began to become many BECAUSE Jonas ignored them! On the next page (which is not included here) in the mail "Annex 1" I repeat "You have at any time been able to contact Daniela or I and talk with us, and after that you would not get any more text messages or emails!" and I add " we have written that so many times, and it is the root cause of the many emails, text messages and phone calls". To stave off that he failed to contact us because for some reason he could not cope with it, I added "If you are in fear of such a meeting, you are allowed to bring a second with you". What I mean is that Jonas not only ignored the messages, but also the heartfelt concern in them, which often took the form of a cry of emergency: do not exert violence against us, which is what you are doing by being completely silent. Back then we still thought that Jonas was our friend.
Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen unfortunately forgets his responsibilities as a professional leader and pastor. In my world a pastor does not refrain from responding to repeated inquiries, especially not if they go on, the person has it really badly because of the pastor’s omissions. And he forces us to stay in Denmark with his inaction when he refuses to give us a paper with a reference!!
In the annex "interrogation report" the pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen describes how he "placed himself at the disposal of listening" to our report on conditions in the Pentecostal Church in Kolding. The motivation to tell about this process in a questioning in connection with the restraining order is not known, but a hint you get maybe by looking at the end of this initial section, where he tells that we notified a number of leaders, including himself, and of that he was maybe offended/perplexed and thought maybe that it was part of the "harassment" he has experienced from our side. He just does not tell about the reason we notified this group of persons, which was 1. It was about personal acquisition of collected funds to the Pentecostal Church, the theft of course participants’ and God's money, of which the Pentecostal Church did take care, but it was never for instance reported to the police. In the society outside of the Church it will perhaps be said that this is a triviality, because it was not a question of six-digit amounts, but fraud is fraud, and in the Church, we expect that you take God seriously, when He in the Bible requires honesty about money matters. It was not taken care of in the sense that there was presented an account where the Church explained how the amount was entered in the Church's accounts, and it was not reported to the police. In addition, the tax credit, that it was not possible to claim a deduction for the contribution of the gift money, Lone Ambæk stole. The Group was aware of this, but did nothing in relation to their knowledge, and was thus complicit. How can leaders be so disrespectful and permissive to those of us who provide them in their work with our money??? 2. Secondly, Daniela by telephone by the public prosecutor had been advised to Police notify as many persons as possible, which we did. Consequently, I do not believe that this course of events had anything to do with harassment against Jonas Serner-Pedersen. If there is harassment, it is really that he refuses to talk with us and denies us the two papers we needed to come to England. Jonas and the other pastors and leaders who were police notified should instead talk to the police about the money, which Lone Ambæk took from their parishioners, and have it appeal pending with the police and get it brought into the light for the people from the churches who have been robbed.
In the next section in "notification report" it says about Jonas Serner-Pedersen "for various reasons the interviewed chose to resign as pastor ". This is indicative of a serious concealment! Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen was fired because of what one might describe as difficulties in cooperating with the management team in Kolding Valgmenighed church. In other words, it is a lie when he says he pulled himself. He does not say, however, that he resigned from his post, so he maybe thinks that he withdrew from the six-month time off work after dismissal by seeking position in Hjerm, or he may believe that he withdrew from a planned Congregational meeting where there was supposed to be put to the vote among the Congregation of whether Jonas should be reinstated, since there was a prevailing dissatisfaction in the congregation with the firing by the Management team. However, it still doesn't change the fact that he distorts his situation, he manufactures himself in a better light by failing to tell that he was fired, and thus he is lying!
Then describes the pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, that "when Daniela learned about the decision she gave the interviewed possessive caring and believed she was chosen by God as the interviewed’s personal Prophet in the priesthood with a steady stream of prophecies, as when they were not being followed were more frequent and more violent ". Daniela is recognized as a prophet and inserted in the Prophet Office of the pastor couple at the Pentecostal Church in Kolding, a spiritual action, that we do not take lightly, for it is God's delegated authority, being expressed here. The prophetic means God inspired, and Daniela perceive everything with God and Prophet service with great respect. Therefore, I would here just like to say that Jonas Serner-Pedersen has blasphemed God by failing to recognize Daniela as a prophet. This he must therefore himself be accountable for before God. Jonas Serner-Pedersen had apparently a prophet outside the Church, who none of us saw, Hans Anker, who was his "seer, prophet" and advisor in prayer. We see it as very dubious, that a person who is not a part of the local Church is prophesying and gives Jonas guidance in his priestly office. How dare Jonas to be a part of something that is going on in secret?
When he had been fired and not "as Daniela learned the decision", he asked Daniela to pray for him, and said unto her, that it meant something to him, that it was she who prayed for him. Thus nothing that suggest rejection of her prophetic work, also in intercession. Then Jonas describes how he daily received a large number of text messages, e-mails and phone messages. He chose to not read and hear them, but he then chose not to stand up like a man and directly and bluntly tell Daniela that her messages were unsolicited! To think that he by ignoring the many messages, part of which was about the pain of precisely this ignorance could stop the messages is stupid, but to describe in the face of the police, that he had to include police because he could not stop them with one sentence in an email and sms when expected action and accountability for neglect and silence is really childish, squeamish and disclaiming responsibility! For me it belongs to a 17-year’s way of acting to write an sms and a mail that he no longer wants something with Daniela to do when he has been so close to her, as Daniela testifies. On the same day as he sends sms and email, Daniela has texted Jonas, that she would contact his parents, because she is isolated from her girlfriends because of the fact that he is a pastor. He writes to Daniela, that it will not be to anything between them, with direct reference to Daniela going to his parents. Jonas Serner-Pedersen has issued dual signals, and Daniela is the one you don't want to believe in, because she is not a pastor. At the same time, Jonas writes that he is not on the run from Daniela. He needs full control.
It is true as Jonas says that Daniela wrote to Jonas, that she wanted him to join on the leadership college in Bradford, England. For this he replied that he would not join her, that it never would be the two of them as a couple, and that he has valued her care, but must resolve her from it and "Wherefore, be sweet to stop with the mails, SMS messages and calls.". We have previously noted that Jonas had never announced to Daniela, that he would not receive multiple emails, SMS messages and calls. It has been on an oversight in relation to this email from me Lars. But as the case stands, Daniela has no chances to tell Jonas that he with eyes, hands and words has exploited her and now just dictates her that she may not talk about his actions and words and eyes and the neglect it then appears as when he asks her in sms to ignore his behavior that shall she just receive his will and control and later in August for the funeral he continues and gives hugs etc. And he writes in the email to Daniela that she must reckon the fact that he must move to Hjerm – there will be nothing between them, but "this does not mean that I have run from you". Exploitative men's behaviour.
Daniela then replied, among other things as follows on Jonas ' email:
"I'm where I need you to talk to me no matter what, Jonas and especially if you think it hurts you
You cannot avoid it
for then you have a lot you have to put into words and you cannot avoid it
I'm not a woman to play with and not one you to whom have shown with body language and behaviour what you think you said about NOA and YOU
No you HAVE EVEN SHOWN the EXACT OPPOSITE and YOU are RESPONSIBLE and ACCOUNTABLE, TOO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SPOKEN with ME the VERY FIRST TIME YOU READ MY MAIL on MY FEELINGS, FOR THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE REPORTED OUT RIGHT THERE and NOT ONLY LATER
AND YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITY THAT I LIVE IN ISOLATION
AND IT IS NOT GOD'S WAY FOR ME
SO YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE
LARS MUST WRITE TO (THE WEEKLY MAGAZINE) “UDFORDRINGEN” OR YOUR PARENTS
YOU ARE INVITED TO A TALK A LONG TIME AGO AND YOU KNOW IT IS CONSCIOUSLY THAT YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO, DEAR DEAR JONAS
YOU MUST CHOOSE YOUR OWN WAY TO HAVE IT EXPLAINED TO ME
WHATEVER YOU COME AND TALK TO ME AND ARE CLEAR UNTIL BOTH OF US HAVE GRASPED WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT
EVERYTHING COMES UP AND YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TREAT ME LIKE THIS YOU NOW KNOW. IF YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD THAT GOD LOVES ME AND ALL WOMEN AND DOES NOT ALLOW MEN TO LIVE IN SUCH A WAY"
Daniela turns therefore on Jonas ' personal responsibility for action, body language and words. Is it too much to ask that a man and a pastor stands up personally and tells what is going on? When it now actually is such that there have been more than a regular contact between them such as Daniela tells about in an earlier mail, where she met Jonas in the city and he touched her. Otherwise, there is talk about exploitation and a form of sexual harassment from Jonas Serner-Pedersen's side.
It was then at that time. Later it happened that we asked the vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen of two documents: a notice receipt from Kolding Valgmenighed Church and an opinion for use by churches in England. Here he has added yet another failure by not even confirming that he has received the request, which was given per sms and voice on the answering machine. I think it is a serious dereliction of duty.
Daniela is 52 years! She asks about the papers, so she can get on the Academy in Bradford. She does not pursue Jonas.
Daniela says now "It's really stressful for me that Jonas hinders me in inquiring for the Academy maybe just because he has only focused on that he will not join. I would still like more but never get the important paper from Jonas. I'm not a desperately in love person who cannot live without Jonas or not live in England without Jonas. He portrays me as a persecutor, but my goal is to travel abroad in the summer of 2012, just as Lars to England. "
The following sentence makes me wonder big time: "Finally, Daniela wrote that if the interviewed would not return to Kolding congregation, they had to personally go to Hjerm, precipitating that the interviewed was completely aware that he no longer could be content to ignore and not even be able to stop the harassment and therefore turned to this station for help ". (I must interject that we have never asked him to return to Kolding congregation, but it must be based on an error in hearing from the reporting police official’s side, which is understandable). Here we get the real truth about why Jonas has remained silent. He will simply not meet Daniela. Why it is so dangerous, we do not know, for he had no problems with it, since he gave her embrace by her friend Mary's funeral. But then they did not talk together. That we would take to Hjerm and talk to him, was an offer to put an end to an intolerable situation for both parties. It is simply incomprehensible to me what is going on here. 1. Jonas Serner-Pedersen ignores completely the fact that Daniela is in great pain because he remains silent. No empathy here. Daniela has asked Jonas relate to his responsibilities as a Pastor that Kova is missing diakonia and ask forgiveness for it. Can a church be so-called "missional" without diakonia? Jonas had said, that he first had to think about what he has done if he were to take such a big word "ask for forgiveness" in his mouth, but he does not asks of details to what she was talking about. He will not respond to that we again and again ask him meet up and get made a clean sweep, and then we would stop trying to contact him. 2. When we offer to come up and meet him face to face, he becomes panic-stricken and goes to the police to head off the possibility. He says that he will stop the harassment, and that he has not even been able to do it, and because of that, he goes to the police. Here we have the core of that he is abusing the police. How may you have more confidence in that it gives a better result to ignore than to talk together, and not least when the background is that he has received many messages that we would like to see him face to face, and we were frustrated and Daniela was in crisis over that he did not respond to these requests? And why does he not, however, take the confrontation? – If he really would use the police, he could have asked that they would be present at the meeting between him and us, or he could say that we could meet with a witness, he had confidence in. Does he hide something? Yes, he has done, which I have shown above – and he hardly imagined that what he has trusted the police., would get to us through access to the documents.
On the whole, I do not understand that the police can judge whether to establish a restraining order by only hearing the one party of the case. I have now produced, how Jonas Serner-Pedersen is lying and treat the truth, so we really wish that we could get into questioning and under penalty of perjury, so we were given the opportunity to give our version of things, so that we will be heard and believed in, which we never received, because the police have claimed that we would not give our opinion.
I will now draw forward some things about Jonas Serner-Pedersen's firing. Here it is Daniela, who tells: Jesper Fodgaard, Chairman of the “Dansk Oase” (a church accociation) and a man called Balle (do not remember his first name), had been called to Kolding by the management team by Chairman Erling Hybschmann, to participate as observers that night, on which there was supposed to be a vote for Jonas. Daniela came down on Jonas ' Office in Klostergade before and asked Jonas to talk to pastor Erik Hviid-Larsen, Bethlehem Church in Copenhagen that he might help him, both of his own and for the Congregation's sake to get the vote stopped, because it was a terrible time for all of us. The management team had held secret meetings for a long time without Jonas ' involvement, he has told. At the same time they released the most confusing and unpleasant emails. Erling Hybschmann and the management team had written concerning the dismissal "it is not a matter of for or against Jonas, but for Kova (the church)". Bente Hilligsø, Jonas ' former sister-in-law, had written an ironic comment on that very statement on Facebook, and we were many, who did not have a clue of what Erling meant with it. It was non sequitur. Lars also found it strange that the management group first fired Jonas and then invited to a farewell party for him. It was very uncomfortable and confusing. Everyone were played off against each other in what was going on.
Some time ago Jørgen Pedersen, Member of Kova said to Daniela: "it was a mess there last summer".
At the farewell feast Daniela had a ride to the Church with Jens Christian Olesen, employed in the Dansk Oase, and he expressed that they had given permission that Jonas preached there by his farewell service. The wording "permission to" jarred on Daniela's ears. Jens Christian Olesen also said that Jonas had been really stubborn at the meetings that had been held. Daniela really resented it, and it jarred on her ears.
Daniela had met Jonas, in the car on the way to some friends in Hjarup – Brian Mortensen, Chairman after Erling Hybschmann. Jonas was very unhappy and so sad that they now probably were going to ransack everything from his life by the congregational meeting. Anja Keld was a member of the management team for a long time, but Jonas said that she had "turned round" and had stopped bullying him. She will also be able to attest to the fact that there has been strange things.
Daniela was down on Jonas ' Office, and he would have her to pray for him, and Daniela was very affected when she learned that Jonas was so upset. When they went away, Daniela said that she wish she could do something for him. He replied that he loves to talk with her, and she has the one who had done the most for him. It is really big words, but where is the "possessive caring", he's talking about? But it is perhaps that she prayed for him for his own sake and for the Congregation, to stop the vote and the menagerie, and that when he was fired, she had said "now you've got your freedom letter, Jonas, with regard to that you get out of the poor working environment with bullying, and that time you should use to get on top and receive healing of minds and emotions and body and get help for it". It has probably not been appropriate for Jonas Serner-Pedersen, for he did only want to be on work as a pastor in the Church. He had "dreamed about getting old together with the Congregation," he said at the farewell dinner. But he had also told Daniela and her friend Mary, that there was a wing of the Church, which didn't like him – it was probably half, it seemed. For Daniela it is natural when standing in a bully environment, is in crisis, to advise getting away, and get help. His judgement was not in balance at the time, and he would not be able to predict, whether the vote would fall so that he would see it as his advantage, and that he should continue with Erling Hybschmann as leader of the management team, would be quite unrealistic. There, he had a role as a doormat, who went around silent and was stepped on, and no one got anything to know about that they harassed him constantly by calling him "a bad leader". Daniela told him that she did not see him as a bad leader, but as a leader in the process.
At the farewell service in Kolding Valgmenighed Church 2012 Jonas Serner-Pedersen decidedly preached over a vision, Daniela had received and had been prophesied about Jesus and the Church in Kolding and Denmark. See it here: http://goo.gl/U6pVF1. However, it is strange that Jonas whatsoever allows himself as a pastor to be inspired so much by Daniela, when he has the attitude to her that he has put forth here. His inner and honest attitude is surely the one he confides the police about her credibility and integrity. We can only comment that we believe he takes what he can use, what right now fits into his life pictures and care for his own best interests. It is simply impossible for us to find head and tail in which some of what he says, we must take note of: 1. He will not have anything to do with Daniela, 2. He will have Daniela in his life, for he has kept on her and took what he could use.
By the same farewell service, Jonas was obviously very upset about it, not least since the kids came with a parting gift, a bicycle. He had direct eye contact with Daniela, and she considered with lightning speed, what was appropriate to do here, but threw out "appropriate" and went with me up and supported Jonas, Daniela with his arm around him and I with a hand on his shoulder. Daniela also got a big hug from Bess, Jonas ' mother.
We really need that Jonas stands in front of us and say the things he truly feels, for we experience ourselves so deceived, and now it has been given the consequence that Jonas has made us lose credibility in the face of the police in Denmark, and we have lost our legal certainty. We cannot accommodate having to pay fines for money, which we do not have.
Jonas in another document we've got access to calls Daniela for sick, and that she should be hospitalized. But Daniela is in favour of law and order, and denounces strongly the importance of following the rule of law and respect for human beings. And when it's not being heard, the voice of God will be higher and higher. When Jonas says that he does not follow the prophecies, it is a revolt against the living out of order and truth, not for the good of his neighbor, he so stubbornly opposes. Daniela’s physician Birgitte Holde said last summer that Jonas Serner-Pedersen's silence strategy had nothing to do with her – it was only an expression of Jonas ' inappropriate way of solving his problems.
With the things we have here pointed out in Jonas ' life, we can honestly be deeply worried about how it will proceed for Hjerm Parish. Once you have lied about one thing, will the rest of what you say, of course, become tainted by this lie, and when can we really trust him, if he does not confess and even makes distance to the lie? We are worried that the Congregation up there will be deceived, just as we have been it.
We wrote last summer to Bishop Karsten Nissen and Dean Carsten Hoffmann and asked for oversight, employee care, and care towards Jonas Serner-Pedersen, because we could see that the crisis he had been in, still affected his choices and actions. Therefore, we cannot avoid calling Bishop and Dean to responsibility that things stand as they do today.
Daniela's 89 year old mother has said, "it was he who was such a good man", and that Kolding Valgmenighed Church then has to know what has happened, and she says that she doesn't want her grandchildren to have Jonas as role model.
Daniela cannot live with the fact that the pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen has toyed with her in the way he has. As a Prophet she will be in collaboration with a pastor, it is God's order, and if she cannot trust that the pastor can separate the personal and professional, and cannot rely on that he says what he thinks, she is, of course, on very shaky ground and will be personally labeled and destroyed by it.
We have always chosen to say what we think, in front of people, not to mention them behind their backs. Jonas has apparently opted for the opposite, to talk behind our backs. Daniela has gotten the comment from a young girl that she has heard so much bad about her. Daniela does not know the girl at all.
We wish that we could get in interrogation, so we under oath can give our version of the course. It is unbearable being made unreliable over the police.
In one of the documents, "the notification report" concerning the restraining order from Jonas Serner-Pedersen, dated 3. October 2012, minutes by Lisbeth Heiredahl it says " but ended with per's (Daniela’s) right to contact a pastor at all hours of the day, which the police should not interfere in, at which point the conversation ended ".
This is simply not true. Police Constable Lisbeth Heiredahl must have heard quite wrong in the phone, and we still do not understand that police never called us in such as Daniela said yes to, for questioning and if they would take into account that she is seriously hit and and in treatment for the trauma which physician Henry Prins Rasmussen called "mental terror and harassment in the churches".
SHE HAS NOT said anything about to call a pastor day and night . She has ugly experience from "Dansk Oase"-Pastor Jens Fischer Nielsen (the Association Dansk Oase), Esbjerg, which was allowed to run a disgusting game with her and her big children and their father!
A PASTOR WILL BE GIVEN ALL CREDIBILITY, WHETHER HE LIVES UP TO IT OR NOT. I Lars was always involved in conversations with Jonas and otherwise was her friend Mary with her, except for the last few months-that was desired explicitly by Daniela, but the very last months I was not, so maybe that is why Jonas can play around with truth and falsehood??
Daniela does not have ADHD, and is therefore not at all thinking of herself as one who has ADHD.
Jonas has sent two messages to Daniela, containing different kinds of information where the one cancels out the other. Rather confusing. What does he really mean in front of and behind our backs?
It's opaque leadership. A pastor and leader can't just dictate on us, and not be willing for dialogue. Either is Jonas S-P in large deficit in summer 2012, which we have written about, or else he is incredibly cold and cynical. It is disconcerting to be exposed to such a leader. We can showcase these mails to the police for further investigation, if necessary.
Yours faithfully Lars Skov Krøgholt
The 22. Sep. 2013 03.01 wrote Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>:
Your Majesty!
The Ministry of Justice
The Danish Priest's Association
Bishop Karsten Nissen
Dean Carsten Hoffmann
Mid and Western Jutland Police
We've got all the access to documents, we have asked for. As also in the interrogations, the police have conducted by Jonas Serner-Pedersen. Thanks for that!
The most important documents can be viewed and downloaded here: http://goo.gl/oRA5Ui
I believe that the vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen has wasted police precious resources and time. Daniela has several times said that Jonas screws the police. Jonas puts the police on a case, which he himself had not been able to cope with. Last summer, we tried to get an interview with him and to get him to write two important papers to us, so we could get to England, and consequently would not "harass" him anymore.
It is on the edge of the comical, that one of the e-mails, Jonas attached to the police, and that we've got a copy of as part of the access is a how I in capitalized letters write to him: "You have at any time been able to contact Daniela or I and talk with us, and after that you would not get more SMS messages or emails!!" (See "Annex 1").
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02-03-2014
Jonas says in front of us "touched by your care" and "(you) have been so good to me". How can he say something quite the opposite about us to the police? intervention
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From: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014
Subject: Jonas says in front of us "touched by your care" and "(you) have been so good to me". How can he say something quite the opposite about us to the police? intervention
Jonas Serner-Pedersen jonas@serner.dk
21/03/12
to me
1000 thanks Lars! :-)
You and Daniela has been so good to me in these days!
With love,
-Jonas
Kopi af meddelelse 29-10-2015
https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/oktober/29-10-2015
Deres Majestæt
Kære Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder
Kære Biskop Henrik Stubkjær, Viborg
Kære Provst Carsten Hoffmann, Struer
Kære Provst Niels Arne Christensen, Holstebro
Kære Domprovst Thomas Frank, Viborg
Kære øvrige præster og medarbejdere ved Viborg Domkirke
Kære Pastor Charlotte Rønhoff
2015-10-26 12:51 GMT+01:00 Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>:
Deres Majestæt!
Kære organist Susanne Madsen, Hjerm
Kære præstesekretær Britta Sunesen, Hjerm
Kære graver Morten Gert Hansen, Hjerm
Kære graver Diana Vejrsø Kruse, Hjerm
Kære Nina Bach Ibsgaard
Kære Biskop Henrik Stubkjær, Viborg
Kære Provst Carsten Hoffmann, Struer
Dette er oprindelig tilsendt en række modtagere, herunder borgmesteren i Struer, som Hjerm hører under samt borgmestrene i landets provstier (Domkirkebyer). (2. revision, idet den oprindelige mail er tilføjet flere modtagere).
Jeres præst Jonas Serner-Pedersen har sammen med sin hustru Maria et forklaringsproblem. Han har skaffet sig et polititilhold på os, Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt, Kolding i 2012. Han tilmeldte os til to folkekirker i Kolding uden vores viden, og han brugte vores cpr-numre. Vi fik aldrig noget at vide, selvom vi fra maj 2012 har forsøgt at få en udmeldelseskvittering fra ham (fra Kolding Valgmenighed). Jonas’ polititilhold har store konsekvenser for os i vore liv. Det er særlig alvorligt for Daniela og hendes amerikanske forlovede. Han har sit hus i Florida og ligeså sin søn i USA. På grund af polititilholdet kan Daniela ikke få tilladelse til at rejse ind i USA. Normalt kan man fra Danmark opholde sig i USA i tre måneder uden visum, men det kan hun ikke, og det rører åbenbart ikke jeres præst Jonas Serner-Pedersen, at han rammer Daniela, som er hans medmenneske, hans næste. Stod det til ham, har vi polititilhold på livstid. Pyt med om Daniela ikke kan komme til USA må han jo synes. Snart skal vi så have advokat på sagen, for det tilhold har også baggrund i løgn fra politiet i Holstebro sammen med Jonas Serner-Pedersen.
Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt.
ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF ABOVE PART
This is originally sent to a number of recipients, including the mayor of Struer municipality in which Hjerm belongs; alongside with the mayors of the Danish Cathedral-cities. (2nd revision, meaning that the original mail is sent to additional recipients).
Dear employees in Hjerm churches.
Your pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen has together with his wife Maria a explanation problem. He has obtained a police restraining order on us, Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt, Kolding in 2012. He signed us to two folk churches in Kolding without our knowledge, and he used our social security numbers. We never got anything to know; even though we since May 2012 have been trying to get a notice receipt from him (concerning our resignation from the church he formerly pastored). Jonas ' police restraining order has huge consequences for us in our lives. It is particularly serious for Daniela and her American fiancé. He has his house in Florida and his son in the United States. Due to the police restraining measures, Daniela cannot be permitted to travel into the United States. Usually one can from Denmark live in the United States for three months without a visa, but she can't, and it does evidently not touch your pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, that he frames Daniela as is his fellow human being, his next. If it was in his power, we will have police restraining order for life. Never mind that Daniela cannot come to the United States he must think. Soon, then, should we have a lawyer on the case for the restraining order also has background in lie from the police in Holstebro along with Jonas Serner-Pedersen.
Tidligere udsendt:
2015-10-08 22:20 GMT+02:00 Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>:
Deres Majestæt!
Kære Statsminister Lars Løkke Rasmussen
Kære Formand for Socialdemokraterne Mette Frederiksen
Kære Justitsminister Søren Pind
Kære Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder
Kære Borgmester Thomas Kastrup-Larsen og byrådet i Aalborg, Aalborg Stift
Kære Borgmester H.C Østerby og byrådet i Holstebro
Kære Borgmester Mads Jakobsen og byrådet i Struer
Kære Borgmester Torsten Nielsen og byrådet i Viborg, Viborg Stift
Kære Borgmester HP Geil og byrådet i Haderslev, Haderslev Stift
Kære Borgmester Jacob Bundsgaard og byrådet i Aarhus, Aarhus Stift
Kære Borgmester Johnny Søtrup og byrådet i Esbjerg, Ribe Stift
Kære Borgmester Anker Boye og byrådet i Odense
Kære Borgmester Joy Mogensen og byrådet i Roskilde
Kære Borgmester Holger Schou Rasmussen og byrådet i Lolland Kommune, Maribo Stift
Kære Overborgmester Frank Jensen og borgerrepræsentationen i København, Københavns Stift
Kære Borgmester Benedikte Kiær og byrådet i Helsingør, Helsingør Stift
Kære Biskop Henning Toft Bro, Aalborg
Kære Biskop i Viborg Henrik Stubkjær
Kære Provst Carsten Hoffman, Struer
Kære Biskop Henrik Wigh-Poulsen, Aarhus
Kære Biskop Elof Westergaard, Ribe
Kære Biskop Marianne Christiansen, Haderslev
Kære Biskop Tine Lindhardt, Odense
Kære Biskop Liselotte Rebel, Helsingør
Kære Biskop Peter Skov-Jakobsen, København
Kære Biskop Peter Fischer-Møller, Roskilde
Kære Biskop Steen Skovsgaard, Maribo
Kære VALGMENIGHEDs præst og Journalist Jesper Fodgaard, Aalborg
Kære Frikirkepræst Johannes Hansen, Apostolsk Kirke i Aalborg
Kære Tidligere Seniorpræster ved Kolding Kirke Center i Kolding Grete og Flemming Petterson
Kære Dansk Oase
Kære Frikirkenet
Dette er sendt til borgmestrene i alle Danmarks Stifter.
Den eneste biskop, som rakte ud mens vi oplevede rigtig dårlig behandling mod Jonas Serner-Pedersen og mod os selv, var Niels Henrik Ahrendt i Haderslev. Vi skrev til ham og til provst Frank Kjærgaard i Kolding, og de to svarede tilbage og var virkelig støttende. Valgmenighedspræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen var rigtig glad for at vi tog ham i forsvar.
Tænk, at det aldrig er faldet nogen af jer provster og biskopper for brystet, at sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen bruger politiet til at undgå at gøre et stykke administrativt arbejde, som han kunne have klaret på et kvarter. Og tænk, at ingen af jer provster og biskopper har ønsket at reagere og række ud til Jonas, sådan som vi direkte bad om medarbejderomsorg og -pleje for Jonas Serner-Pedersen, som var helt i krise, ude af balance efter at være blevet fyret fra Kolding Valgmenighed.
Han lavede en historie til politiet om, at han valgte at trække sig som præst. Han har sagt flere usandheder til politiet, som han er sluppet for at blive konfronteret med. Han er åbenbart ”mere lige for loven” end vi almindelige borgere er. Han BLEV fyret. Hvad han valgte at trække sig fra var en afstemning, der ellers var ved at blive sat i værk, for om han alligevel kunne blive genvalgt som menighedens præst, hvis der kunne rejses et flertal af menighedens medlemmer for at han skulle fortsætte.
I perioden inden afstemningen skulle finde sted besøgte Daniela og hendes nu afdøde veninde Mary Jonas, og de kom med morgenbrød. Jonas var så ked af det og havde det rigtig dårligt. Han skulle kontakte sin fagforening, mens de var der. Da Mary og Daniela skulle til at gå, bad han dem om at blive lidt længere hos ham! Han betroede Mary og Daniela, at der var en større del af menigheden, som ikke kunne lide ham. Det havde han det selvfølgelig ikke let med.
Hvorfor er vi ikke blevet hørt, når vi har bedt om medarbejderomsorg og -pleje til Jonas, som var i en svær tid?
På den ene side ville vi hjælpe og støtte Jonas Serner-Pedersen som vores tidligere præst, som vi opfattede som vores ven, og på den anden side ville vi fastholde ham i sit ansvar over for os som medmennesker og som tidligere menighedsmedlemmer, som ville have ham til at gøre et vigtigt stykke administrativt arbejde for os.
Til politiet fortalte han til afhøringsrapporten en historie om, at Daniela gav ham en omklamrende omsorg og henvendte sig en masse gange, og uudtalt var hans løsning den, som vi erfarede fra første færd, at han lukkede af og prøvede at holde os på afstand med total tavshed og ved at ignorere vores henvendelser.
I afhøringsrapporten sagde han, at da vi skrev, at vi ville komme til ham i Hjerm og tale med ham, "blev (han) fuldstændig bevidst om, at han ikke mere kunne nøjes med at ignorere og ikke selv kunne stoppe chikanen og derfor henvendte sig til herværende station for hjælp".
https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/februar/24-02-2015 Apple får et datacenter i Viborg, hvor Henrik Stubkjær er Jonas Serner-Pedersens biskop.
Vi er i en tid i vores samfund, hvor politiet er under lup, fordi de er blevet taget i løgn, og det er nu under undersøgelse på grund af Christiania og Tibet sagerne. Som borgere har vi brug for at kunne have tillid til politiet, ikke mindst til det politi, der er i vort nærområde. Vi er to borgere, der siden 19 sept. 2012 – altså i godt tre år, har været udsat for grov politiløgn og fratagelse af vores retssikkerhed i Danmark på grund af Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi i Holstebro og sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen, Hjerm. https://goo.gl/C81g3I. Midt og Vestjyllands politi har nægtet os partshøring som det sidste tiltag fra dem. Vi var i retten i Holstebro i 2103 og i det følgende er der en udskrift af dommen fra retten i Holstebro. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen gav mig Daniela Skov, Kolding et polititilhold i november 2012, dagen før det demokratiske menighedsrådsvalg i Danmark.
Jeg Lars Skov Krøgholt fik et polititilhold noget senere, og det eneste jeg ved og husker, er en opringning hvor en politibetjent siger, at Jonas ikke vil høre noget som helt om Daniela fra dig. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen har også skrevet og klaget til politiet over at jeg betroede ham sandheden - under tavshedsløfte, da han var præst i Kolding, at jeg mistede mit mangeårige faste arbejde hos Post Danmark fordi jeg fik voldsomt stress af den behandling jeg fik af præster i Kolding. Det har jeg papir på, så jeg kan ikke se, hvordan det kan være med til at Jonas som sognepræst i Hjerm pludselig kan bruge det til at få et tilhold på mig. Daniela fik posttraumatisk stress, og det har været meget svært og alvorligt for hende, fordi hun blev udsat for en grov behandling af en betjent ved Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi Holstebro, den 19 sep. 2012. Den betjent har efterfølgende aldrig villet afsløre sin identitet. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen var hos ham den dag, og han vil kunne sige nøjagtig hvilken betjent han talte med, og desuden forstår vi ikke, at politiet ikke har notatpligt. Hvordan kan en betjent, der ikke vil give sit navn til kende, starte en alvorlig sag op mod to borgere? Vi sender dette følgende, som vi har sendt til borgmestre i Holstebro, Struer og Viborg. https://goo.gl/8Jrz1J
Jonas Serner-Pedersen er præst I HJERM, hvor Aalborgs biskop Henning Toft Bro var sognepræst tidligere i sit karriereforløb. Vi har mere end én gang efterlyst biskop Henning Toft Bros hjælp i vores sag, da vi jo i god tro formodede, at han også ønsker at borgerne i HJERM ikke bliver ført bag lyset.
Johannes Hansen fra Apostolsk Kirke er politianmeldt SAMMEN med journalist og VALGMENIGHEDSPRÆST ved Aalborg VALGMENIGHED Jesper Fodgaard, der har været Leder i Dansk Oase i en nu afsluttet årrække. De er ansvarlige for medlemmer i menigheder, der fik stjålet GAVEBIDRAG oppe i Kolding Kirkecenter af Lone Ingrid Ambæk - nu Skjoldholm, som satte GAVEBIDRAG der skulle gå ind i kirkens regnskab ind på sin egen konto i Danske Bank. Alle vi medlemmer som det drejer sig om kunne ikke heller få vort lovmæssige skattefradrag pga hendes tyveri og at det ledende senior præstepar ved Kolding Kirkecenter Flemming og Grete Petterson VILLE "BESKYTTE KIRKEN" og ikke gå til politiet vedr. LONE AMBÆK, og ej heller informere de bestjålne. Jesper Fodgaard var mentor for Jonas Serner- Pedersen da denne var VALGMENIGHEDSPRÆST i Kolding. Dvs procedurerne og kommandovejen i kirkens lederskab var dog sådan, at vi aldrig fik et klart svar på om Jesper Fodgaard var det daværende LEDERSKABS mentor eller kun for Jonas Serner-Pedersen.
Lars Skov Krøgholt og jeg Daniela Skov får den vejledning fra STATSADVOKATEN i Viborg i 2011 senest, at vi skal politianmelde så mange præster som muligt, der ikke har taget ansvar for selv at gå til politiet og anmeldt Lone Ingrid Ambæk og de penge, hun tog som SIT PERSONLIGE GAVEBIDRAG. Da vi så politianmelder de ansvarlige LEDENDE PRÆSTER FRAVÆLGER POLITIET GANG PÅ GANG AT TAGE SIG AF ANMELDELSERNE.
Vi bliver utroligt kede af det, men også vrede, når vi ser at kejseren ingen klæder har på!
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Samuel er min ven, oprindelig fra Rumænien, som jeg Lars gik på International Apostolsk Højskole sammen med for 6-7 år siden.
Mvh. Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt
Tidligere udsendt
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Deres Majestæt!
Kære Statsminister Lars Løkke Rasmussen
Kære Justitsminister Søren Pind
Kære Kirkeminister Bertel Haarder
Kære Borgmester i Viborg Torsten Nielsen og byrådet i Viborg
Kære 1. Viceborgmester Jens Rohde
Kære 2. Viceborgmester Per Møller Jensen
Kære Borgmester i Struer Mads Jacobsen
Kære Biskop Henrik Stubkjær
Kære Provst Carsten Hoffmann
Kære Senioranklager Merete Sanning
I 2012 bad vi biskop Karsten Nissen og provst Carsten Hoffmann, Struer provsti samt menighedsrådet i Hjerm, som hører til provstens tilsynsområde om at yde medarbejderpleje, -omsorg over for Hjerms nye sognepræst Jonas Serner Pedersen, da han kom fra en meget svær situation med 1½ års mobning fra lederskabet i Kolding Valgmenighed. Vi havde bedt Jonas Serner-Pedersen i april/maj 2012 om udmeldelseskvittering for at være sikker på at være udmeldt af Kolding Valgmenighed. Det var en samvittighedssag. Vi ønsker ikke at være medlem af en kirke, hvor lederskabet mobber deres præst. Desuden bad Daniela Jonas Serner-Pedersen som var hendes præst i Kolding, om en påkrævet anbefaling til Academy i Life Church i Bradford, England. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen var blevet fyret fra sin stilling i Kolding Valgmenighed ganske pludseligt, så han var i stor krise. Lederskabet havde beskyldt ham for ikke at være god til at udføre administrative opgaver. Han havde endda specifikt bedt Daniela komme og bede for ham en til to dage efter fyringen. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen giver os aldrig nogen tilbagemelding på de papirmæssige spørgsmål vi har, hverken ”ja”, ”nej” eller ”vil ikke”. I stedet bruger han Holstebro politi 19 sept. 2012 til at få et polititilhold på os, så han slipper for at vi kommer op og får ordnet de papirmæssige forhold, der kunne tage 15 minutter af hans tid. Struer politi er også involveret. Den første tid efter at vi fik polititilhold var vi meget chokerede, i krise og rystede og kunne slet ikke fatte, at det var vores tidligere præst, nu Sognepræst i Hjerm kirker Jonas Serner-Pedersen, der stod bag at politiet ringede til os, så vi kontaktede ham i et stykke tid efter. Daniela blev ringet op af Struer politi, og vi er blevet ringet op af Holstebro politi og Sydøstjyllands Politi. Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen må jo have direkte kontaktet dem, når vi har skrevet til ham. Det der gjorde, at vi forstod alvoren var, at politiet i Holstebro eller Sydøstjylland eller måske Struer sagde: ”næste gang bliver det FÆNGSEL!”. Vi har aldrig været i polititilhør, men har fået tildelt bødestraf. Vi er blevet nægtet partshøring af Holstebro politi som det seneste. Statsadvokaten, Senioranklager i Viborg anmodede Holstebro politi om at kalde os ind til partshøring, men det er nægtet af politiet.
I foråret 2013 var vi kaldt ind i retten i Holstebro.
Citat fra ”Udskrift af dombogen. DOM afsagt den 20. juni 2013”:
”Påstande. Anklagemyndigheden har nedlagt påstand om bødestraf. De tiltalte har erkendt sig skyldige.
Sagens oplysninger.
Daniela Skov har forklaret, at det er rigtigt, at hun har afsendt sms-beskeder samt mailet til Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, ligesom hun også har indtalt forskellige beskeder på Serner-Pedersens telefonsvarer. Hun kan således godt erkende, at hun har overtrådt tilholdet af 12. november 2012, men hun forstår ikke baggrunden for det pågældende tilhold. Hun fik nærmest et chok, da tilholdet blev forkyndt for hende, og hun var efterfølgende i alvorlig krise. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen havde været næstformand i en forening kaldet ”Oasen” (”Dansk Oase”, vor anm.), som er en kirkelig organisation under Kolding Valgmenighed. Der opstod på et tidspunkt alvorlige problemer i ”Oasen”, hvor også tiltalte havde en søn, som var med i bevægelsen. På et tidspunkt blev Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen bortvist fra Kolding Valgmenighed. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen syntes, at kirken skulle beskyttes, og han ville derfor ikke være med til at afdække de ulovligheder, der var foregået i ”Oasen". Tiltalte og Lars Krøgholt rettede henvendelse til Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, fordi han skulle sende dem nogle papirer, men der skete ingenting. De manglede således nogle udmeldelsespapirer samt en kvittering for modtagelse af en udmeldelse. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen forholdt sig fuldstændig passiv, og dette er baggrunden for de gentagne henvendelser til ham fra de tiltaltes side.
Lars Krøgholt har forklaret, at han også kan erkende at have afsendt sms-beskeder, e-mails og foretaget opkald til Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, som nævnt i forhold 5 og 6. Han kan i det hele henholde sig til den forklaring, som er afgivet af Daniela Skov. Tiltalte skulle også bruge nogle papirer, herunder en kvittering og en referenceskrivelse fra Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen.”
En politibetjent i Midt- og Vestjyllands Politi i Holstebro ringede os op på Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersens vegne 19-09-2012. Han har holdt sin identitet skjult indtil nu, hvilket betyder at vi har mistet vores lovmæssige retssikkerhed i Danmark, og det er måske også derfor politiet har nægtet os partshøring på trods af Statsadvokatens besked til dem. En politibetjent vist nok en Jesper Andersen – vi har udskrift af forhøret - har været i forhør hos politiet, men de havde valgt at forhøre pågældende betjent om en forkerte dato.
Link til afgørelsen https://goo.gl/FVBjVh
I 2014 fandt vi selv ud af, nærmest ved et tilfælde, at Jonas Serner-Pedersen havde indmeldt os mod vor viden og vilje i to sognekirker her i Kolding. Han var som vores præst i besiddelse af vores udmeldelsespapirer med vores cpr-numre og hans håndskrevne underskrift. Vi har så været indmeldt i to sognekirker uretmæssigt og har betalt kirkeskat imod vor vilje og viden. Vi har som borgere i Danmark grundlovssikret religionsfrihed, så for os er det forfatningsstridigt, at vi blev tilmeldt statskirker mod vor vilje og bag om ryggen på os. Og præster, provster og biskopper er folkevalgte i det kirkelige demokrati. Vi har selv tidligere udmeldt os af den danske folkekirke efter grundige overvejelser og ladet os døbe i hhv. Pinsekirken i Esbjerg 1997 (Daniela Skov) og i Apostolsk Kirke Kolding, 2007 (Lars Skov Krøgholt). Retten i Holstebro undrede sig meget over at de ikke var blevet oplyst fra Jonas Serner-Pedersen omkring de papirer, vi havde forsøgt at tale med ham om tilbage fra april/maj 2012. Carsten Hofmann, Struer Provsti har været vidende om disse ting helt tilbage fra efteråret (omkring september) 2012.
Biskoppen i Viborg Henrik Stubkjær har den 2. oktober været i Hjerm for at tale om sit embede og skiftet fra at være Generalsekretær for Folkekirkens Nødhjælp. På Hjerm kirkers side på Facebook er indsat et billede, en selfie af sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen med Henrik Stubkjær i baggrunden. Hvis jeg var biskop, ville jeg blive alarmeret over, at en sognepræst vælger på Facebook at fremvise en embedsmand, der taler ved et offentligt møde på en sådan selvdyrkende og respektløs måde.
I Dagbladet Information for i går http://www.information.dk/547395 er FORSIDEN viet til temaet at politiet lyver. Det er ikke godt for os borgere og det er magtovergreb, at deres biskop er ligeglad med at han og Jonas benytter sig af politiløgn, så Jonas ikke skal tale med os om sin forfatningsstridige indmeldelse af os i statsreligionen og statskirken som vi udtrykkeligt ikke ønskede at være meldt ind i!
Og vi oplever det meget respektløst mod os og mod borgerne i HJERM at de ikke tager hånd om at få fjernet polititilhold og tager alvorligt, at politiet lyver og nægter os borgere PARTSHØRING på trods af henstilling fra Statsadvokat i VIBORG, Senioranklager Merete Sanning‼
Det falder tilbage på byens kommune, når dens biskop er direkte involveret og holder hånden over politi løgne fra den præst, som det er hans ansvar at føre tilsyn med.
Hvis de frasiger sig at de er en del af politik og samfund, så bliver vi andre bare legetøj for dem. Måske er det derfor de ikke mener de behøver at tage ansvar for de konsekvenser deres liv har i deres medborgeres liv. Det er en total misforståelse. Biskoppen lyver for sig selv om sin og kirkens rolle i politik. Ingen kan holde sig uden for politik. Det er ansvarsfralæggelse, at de tror de kan melde sig ud af samfundet og sige vi har ikke noget med politik at gøre. Indgår vi ikke alle i det politiske liv i vores samfund, blot i egenskab af at være borgere i vort land? Når sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen og biskop Henrik Stubkjær er involveret sammen med politiet i at nægte os partshøring, og i at vi har MISTET vores retssikkerhed som borgere i Danmark, så står biskoppen og sognepræsten ikke som nogen der blander sig uden om politik, men de står som KIRKENS repræsentanter for LOVLØSHED OG ANARKI!!!
https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2012/september/19-09-2012
Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
This is sent to the mayors of all the Danish dioceses.
The only Bishop who handed out while we experienced really bad treatment against Jonas Serner-Pedersen and against ourselves, was Niels Henrik Ahrendt in Haderslev. We wrote to him and to the Dean Frank Kjærgaard in Kolding, and the two corresponded back and was really supportive. Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen was really glad that we took him in defense.
Think that it is never dropped any of you deans and bishops for the chest, the parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen uses police to avoid making a piece of administrative work, which he could have done in a quarter of an hour. And to think that none of you deans and bishops have wanted to respond and reach out to Jonas, as we directly asked for employee care for Jonas Serner-Pedersen, who was entirely in crisis, out of balance after being sacked from the church “Kolding Valgmenighed”.
He made a story to the police that he chose to resign as a pastor. He said several untruths to police as he escaped to be confronted with. He is apparently "more equal before the law" than we ordinary citizens are. He was fired. What he chose to withdraw from was a vote which otherwise was being set in motion, for if he still could be re-elected as the Church's pastor, if there could be raised a majority of Ward members for him to continue.
In the period before the vote was to take place Daniela and her now deceased friend Mary visited Jonas, and they came with breakfast. Jonas was so upset by it and had it bad. He should contact his Trade Union, while they were there. When Mary and Daniela were going to go, he asked them to be a little longer with him! He trusted Mary and Daniela, that there was a greater proportion of the Congregation, who didn't like him. He was, of course, not easy with this.
Why are we not been heard when we have asked for employee care and care for Jonas, who was in a difficult time?
In what we have written has been a two-sided message. On the one hand, we would help and support Jonas Serner-Pedersen, which we perceived to be our friend, and on the other hand, we wanted to retain him in his responsibility to us as fellow human beings and as former parishioners, who wanted him to make an important piece of administrative work for us.
He told police during questioning a story about that Daniela gave him a possessive caring and contacted him a bunch of times, and unspoken was his solution, as we learned from the outset that he closed by and tried to keep us at a distance with total silence and by ignoring our requests.
In the interrogation report from when he sought to get the restraining order against us, he said, that when we wrote that we would come to him in Hjerm and talk to him, "(he) was fully aware that he could no longer be content to ignore and not even be able to stop the harassment and therefore turned to this station for help".
We write because we are in a time in our society, where the police are under the microscope, because they were caught in lies, and it is now under investigation because of Christiania and Tibet. As citizens, we need to be able to have confidence in the police, not least for the police that is in our immediate vicinity. We are two citizens who since 19 sept. 2012 – so well in three years, has been subject to serious police lie and withdrawing our legal certainty in Denmark due to Mid and Western Jutland Police in Holstebro and the parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, Hjerm. Mid and Western Jutland police has denied us-party consultation as the last action from them. We were in court in Holstebro in 2103 and following is a transcript of the judgment of the Court of first instance in Holstebro. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen gave me, Daniela Skov, Kolding a police restraining order in November 2012, the day before the democratic church council elections are held in Denmark. I Lars Skov Krøgholt got a police restraining order something later, and the only thing I know and remember, is a phone call where a police officer says that Jonas will not hear anything about Daniela from you. Parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen has also written and complained to police over that I trusted him the truth under the vow when he was a pastor in Kolding, that I lost my longtime permanent work with Post Denmark due to I got violently stress of the treatment I got from pastors in Kolding. I have paper on it, so I can't see how it can help Jonas as Vicar in Hjerm suddenly can use it to get a restraining order on me. Daniela got post-traumatic stress, and it has been very difficult and serious for her because she was exposed to a serious treatment of a police officer by Mid and Western Jutland Police Holstebro, on 19 September 2012. The police officer has subsequently never wanted to reveal his identity. Parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen was with him that day, and he will be able to say exactly what officer he spoke with, and in addition, we do not understand, that the police do not have the note obligation. How can a police officer who won't give his name to know, start a serious case against two citizens? We shall send the following, which we have sent to the mayors of Holstebro, Struer and Viborg.
In HJERM where the bishop of Aalborg Henning T Bro was parish pastor earlier in his career. We have more than once called for Bishop Henning T Bro’s help in our case, since we in good faith suspected that he also wants the citizens of HJERM will not be duped.
Johannes Hansen from the Apostolic Church in Aalborg, police notified together with journalist and pastor at the church “Aalborg Valgmenighed” Jesper Fodgaard, who has been a Leader in the “Dansk Oase” church movement for several years, which has now ended. They are responsible for members in congregations who received stolen GIFT CONTRIBUTION up in Kolding Church Centre of Lone Ingrid Ambæk-now Skjoldholm, which put GIFT CONTRIBUTIONS that were to go into the Church's accounts into her own account at “Danske Bank”. All we members as it relates to could not even get our legal tax deductions due to her theft and that the senior pastors at Kolding Church Centre, Flemming and Grete Petterson, WOULD "PROTECT the CHURCH" and did not go to the police about LONE AMBÆK or even inform they had been robbed. Jesper Fodgaard was the mentor of Jonas Serner-Pedersen when he was pastor in the church “Kolding Valgmenighed”. That is, procedures and chain of command in the Church's leadership were such that we never got a clear answer on whether Jesper Fodgaard was the then LEADERSHIP’s mentor or only for Jonas Serner-Pedersen.
Lars Skov Krøgholt and I get the instructions from the PUBLIC PROSECUTOR in Viborg in 2011 at the latest, that we must police notify as many pastors as possible who have not taken responsibility for themselves to go to the police and notify Lone Ingrid Ambæk and the money she took as HER PERSONAL GIFT CONTRIBUTION. When we then police notify the responsible SENIOR CLERGY the POLICE AGAIN and AGAIN DESELECTS to TAKE CARE of WHAT WE HAVE NOTIFIED.
We become very sorry, but also angry, when we see that the emperor has no clothes!
Posted on Facebook:
Samuel Lacatus
“Where are all those wise, blessed and polite pastors in the free churches who should go in front and talk with the wise leaders in this country? I think somebody feel themselves too well on the benches and heat them up really well. Poor we who fight out in the alleys and the streets and in life. If one needs help for prayer you almost have to beg for it and make an appointment, while people are in need of the help and anointing, blessing from the elders."
Samuel is my friend, initially from Rumania, with whom I Lars studied at International Apostolic Bible College 6-7 years ago.
Previously sent out
In 2012, we asked Bishop Karsten Nissen and Dean Carsten Hoffmann, Struer deanery and Parish Council in Hjerm, which belongs to the Dean’s regulatory area to provide employee care to the new vicar in the parish of Hjerm Jonas Serner P, since he came from a very difficult situation with 1 ½ years of bullying from the leadership in the church Kolding Valgmenighed. We had asked Jonas Serner-Pedersen in April/May 2012 about a receipt to be sure we were signed out of Kolding Valgmenighed. It was a matter of conscience. We do not want to be a member of a church where the leadership bully their pastor. In addition, Daniela Skov asked Jonas Serner-Pedersen who was her pastor in Kolding, about a required recommendation for the Academy of “Life Church” in Bradford, England. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen had been fired from his position in Kolding Valgmenighed quite suddenly, so he was in a great crisis. The leadership had accused him of not being good to perform administrative tasks. He even had specifically asked Daniela come and pray for him one to two days after the dismissal. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen never gave us any feedback on the issue of finishing papers for us, neither "Yes", "no" or "will not". Instead, he uses “Midt- og Vestjyllands politi” police 19 sept. 2012 to get a police restraining order on us, so he won't have to have us come up and get the papers done which could have taken 15 minutes of his time. Struer police are also involved.
The first time after we got summonses, we were very shocked, in crisis and shook and could not comprehend that it was our former pastor, now parish pastor in Hjerm churches Jonas Serner-Pedersen, who stood behind that the police called us, so we contacted in writing him for a while after. Daniela was called up by the police, Struer and we have been called up by Holstebro police and South East Jutland Police. Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen may then have directly contacted them after we wrote to him. What made us understand the seriousness was that the police in Holstebro or Southeast Jutland or perhaps Struer said: "next time it will be in PRISON!". We have never been interrogated by the police, but we have been assigned a financial penalty. We have been denied an interrogation by Holstebro police as the latest. The public prosecutor, Senior Prosecutor in Viborg requested Holstebro police to call us in for the interrogation, but it was denied by the police.
In the spring of 2013, we were called into court in Holstebro.
Quote from "Transcript of dombogen. Judgment on 20. June 2013 ":
"Allegations. The prosecution contends financial penalty. The defendants have pleaded guilty.
Proceedings information.
Daniela Skov has explained that it is true that she has sent text messages as well as emailed to Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, just as she has also recorded various messages on Serner-Pedersen's answering machine. She may well recognize that she has violated the estrangement measures by 12. November 2012, but she does not understand the background for the restraining order. She got almost a shock when the estrangement measures was served on her, and she was subsequently in serious crisis. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen had been Vice-President of an association called "The Oasis" ("Danish Oasis", our note), which is an ecclesiastical organisation under the Kolding Valgmenighed. There was at one time serious problems in "the OASIS", where the accused had a son who was a member of the movement. At one point in time was Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen expelled from Kolding Valgmenighed. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen thought that the Church should be protected, and he would therefore not help to uncover the illegal activity that had taken place in "the OASIS". Defendants and Lars Krøgholt made contact to Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, because he was going to send them some papers, but nothing happened. Thus some notice they lacked papers as well as an acknowledgement of receipt of a resignation. Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen remained totally passive, and this is the reason for the repeated request to him from the defendants ' side.
Lars Krøgholt explained that he also can admit having sent text messages, emails and made calls to Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen, as mentioned in the conditions 5 and 6. He can, overall, refer to the explanation, as offered by Daniela Skov. Defendants should also use some papers, including a receipt and a reference letter from Jonas Jacob Serner-Pedersen,"
A police officer in Central and Western Jutland Police in Holstebro rang us up on Vicar Jonas Serner-Pedersen's behalf, 19-09-2012. He has kept his identity hidden until now, which means that we have lost our legal certainty in Denmark, and it is perhaps also, why police has denied us-party consultation in spite of State Attorney's message to them. A police officer Jesper Andersen was in interrogation with the police, but they had chosen to interrogate concerned the PC on a wrong date.
Link to decision https://goo.gl/FVBjVh
In 2014 we found out for ourselves, almost by chance, that Jonas Serner-Pedersen had joined us without our knowledge and will in two parish churches here in Kolding. He was as our pastor in possession of our notice papers with our social security numbers and his handwritten signature. We have then been joined in two parish churches improperly and has paid the church tax against our will and knowledge. We have as citizens in Denmark constitutional religious freedom, so for us it is unconstitutional, that we were enrolled in State churches against our will and behind the back of us. And pastors, deans and bishops are elected in the ecclesiastical democracy. We have even earlier announced us of the Danish people's Church after thorough considerations and let us baptize in respectively The Pentecostal Church in Esbjerg 1997 (Daniela Skov) and Apostolic Church in Kolding, 2007 (Lars Skov Krøgholt). The Court in Holstebro marvelled much that they had not been informed of Jonas Serner-Pedersen about the papers we had tried to talk to him about back from April/May 2012. Carsten Hofmann, Struer Deanery has been knowledgeable about these things all the way back from the fall (around september) 2012.
The Bishop of Viborg Henrik Stubkjær has the 2. October been in Hjerm to talk about his Office and the change from being General Secretary of DanChurchAid. On Hjerm churches’s page on Facebook is inserted a picture, a selfie of parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen with Henrik Stubkjær in the background. If I were the Bishop, I'd be alarmed that a parish pastor chooses on Facebook to showcase an official speaking at a public meeting in this self-displaying way.
In the newspaper “Information” for yesterday the FRONT PAGE is devoted to the theme that the police is lying. It is not good for us citizens and it is abusive that their Bishop does not care that he and Jonas take advantage of police lie so Jonas shall not speak with us about his unconstitutional enrollment of us in the State religion and State Church as we expressly did not want to be enrolled in!
And we are experiencing it very disrespectful against us and against the citizens of Hjerm that they do not take care of the removal of police restraining order and take it seriously that the police are lying and denying us citizens-PARTY CONSULTATION despite the recommendation of the public prosecutor in VIBORG, Senior Prosecutor Merete Sanning ‼
It falls back on the city's municipality, when its Bishop is directly involved and keeps the hand of police lies from the pastor, as it is his responsibility to supervise.
If they disclaim that they are part of politics and society, then the rest of us are just toys for them. Maybe that is why they do not believe they need to take responsibility for the impact their lives have in their fellow citizens ' lives. It is a total misconception that they can sign up out of society and say that we have nothing to do with politics. We are not all included in the political life of our society, just as to be citizens in our country? When the parish pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen and Bishop Henry Stubkjær is involved together with the police in to deny us the consultation of interested parties, and in that we have lost our legal security as citizens in Denmark, so says the Bishop and the parish priest not as someone who stay out of politics, but they stand as CHURCH representatives of LAWLESSNESS and ANARCHY!!!
With best regards Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt