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Deres Majestæt!
Kære Statsminister Helle Thorning-Schmidt
Kære Justitsminister Mette Frederiksen
Kære Finansminister Bjarne Corydon
Kære Social- og Integrationsminister m.m. Manu Sareen
Kære Kultur- og Kirkeminister Marianne Jelved
Kære Undervisningsminister Christine Antorini
Kære Økonomi- og Indenrigsminister Morten Østergaard
Kære Biskopper, provster og præster
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Fra: Daniela Skov <daniela.skov@gmail.com>
Dato: 11. juni 2015 kl. 11.51
Emne: :"http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/debat/folkekirken-efter-gud.-nu-maa-folkekirken-en-gang-alle-tilpasse-sig-den-nye-virkelighed"Fortællingen om Gud er stadig i forandring, fordi figuren Gud er ved at miste sin rolle, efterhånden som danskerne (herunder selvfølgelig også mange præster) opdager, at Gud er en menneskeskabt illusion. Når man som organisation er midt i en så radikal forandring af egne værdier, er det ikke underligt, at både ledelse og kommunikation er diffus. Som når præster fortæller, at de ikke tror på en skabende og opretholdende gud, eller når menighedsråd annoncerer efter en præst, der faktisk tror på (en) gud.
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Fra: Lars Skov Krøgholt <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Dato: 10. juni 2015 kl. 14.19
Emne: Fwd: JOSVA, efterskolebetaling! (Vi LEVER SOM NATION STADIG SOM MARTIN LUTHER GJORDE FOR 500 ÅR SIDEN FØR REFORMATIONEN: EFTER KIRKENS REGLER (uskrevne LOV) : Sareen: Hvornår begynder kirken at udnytte sit kæmpestore potentiale? | Kristeligt Dagblad: Kære Manu Sareen: TAK. Og du har 100 procent ret.
Til: Poul Jørgensen <forstander@efterskolen-kildevaeld.dk>
Kære Poul.
Dette sendes ud, for alle ledere i kirken har ansvar!
Bedste hilsener Lars Krøgholt
Fwd: Josva . SKOLEPENGE!
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2015
Subject: Josva
To: Poul Jørgensen <forstander@efterskolen-kildevaeld.dk>
Kære Poul.
Vi har været igennem forskellige ret voldsomme ting i forbindelse med kirken, som vi har skrevet om til en del forskellige modtagere. Vi har ikke snakket med Josva om det, men ikke desto mindre har det påvirket ham meget.
Han har mistet en del skolelærdom MED FRAVÆR I 3-4 KLASSE PGA HOVEDPINE MAVESMERTER OSV. Det traume som KIRKEN HAR BRAGT OS, det har påvirket hans limbiske HJERNE. Det område er vigtigt i indlæring af MATEMATIK!
Skolen gik ind med al den støtte omkring Josva muligt.
En psykolog fra PPR, som vi snakkede med på Lykkegårdskolen sagde, i et møde med os, PPR og Lena samt Josvas klasselærer dengang om TEST RESULTATET FRA PPR TEST SOM BØRNEAFD PÅ SYGEHUSET HAVDE "ORDINERET" TIL JOSVA
Psykologen sagde at Josva ikke måtte involveres i noget med kirken. Altså " VI MÅTTE IKKE TALE OM DE TING NÅR HAN VAR HJEMME, FOR HAN KAN SLET IKKE TÅLE DET I HELBREDDET!"
En anden PPR ansat socialrådgiver har sagt åbent til Daniela at de har. Mange familier der får hjælp hos dem "PGA DEM DEROPPE FRA!" : HØJSKOLEN / KIRKEN
Vi har selv oplevet, hvordan Bent Christiansen har optrådt hjerteløst og manipuleret med os. Disse ting påvirker DESVÆRRE OGSÅ de kristne skolers ry i byen.
DET SER VI SOM VIRKELIG ALVORLIGT OVENI AT BØRN OG VOKSNE LIDER!
Vi har haft et godt samarbejde med Lykkegårdskolen, hvor vi også har informeret om disse ting, og det håber vi også vi kan få med jer. Josva ringede i dag til Daniela og han ryster - Daniela hører det for vi kender Josva ,
fordi han var bange, han er bange for nu er det med pengene BLEVET SAGT TIL HAM SÅ HAN TAGER DET PÅ SIG JO OG DET ER STRESS IGEN AT VÆRE I UTRYGHED.
Han har BETALT EN HØJ PRIS OG IKKE MINDST FORDI HAN ER BLEVET ALENE I SINE HJEM: gå i kirke stævner skolemøder osv. UDEN OS
DET ER EN SÅ UACCEPTABEL SITUATION PÅ ALLE OMRÅDER OG MÅDER.
Vil I give ham lidt ekstra omsorg?! Støtte så han kan læse og klare deres eksamenstid godt?
De bedste hilsener Lars.
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Daniela Skov <daniela.skov@gmail.com> wrote:
Det må også koste mange penge, at vi først i 2011 var det vist, får det råd hos Statsadvokat hvor vi klager over afgørelse hos politiet, der behandler og fralægger sig at tage vor politianmeldelse af Lone Ingrid Ambæk ( Nu Skjoldholm ) ALVORLIGT SELVOM HUN lader GAVEBIDRAG til PINSEKIRKEN i Kolding , mennesker i 4 kirker gå i EGEN LOMME OG KONTO OG UNDDRAGE Alle SKATTEFRADRAG . Statsadvokaten behandler så sagen og i tlf rådgiver hun Daniela at vi skal POLITIANMELDE FLEST MULIGE PRÆSTER!
Skat blir også bedt af os om TILSYN MHT LONE SKJOLDHOLM. Hun misbruger i sin virksomhed 100 procent VISTAPRINTS COPYRIGHT ved at gøre deres produkter til hendes design.
Da JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN bliver SOGNEPRÆST MISBRUGER HAN så politi og en anden STATSADVOKAT I VIBORG TIL AT LUKKE ALT NED OM KIRKEN OG DENNE STATSADVOKAT BRUGER SIN TID OG SIN LØNINDTÆGT PÅ IKKE AT FORHOLDE POLITIET SIN FORGÆNGERS AFGØRELSE !
Så er der gentagne 60dages perioder, fra STATSADVOKATS side hvor hun bruger tid/ penge på at nå frem til gentagen SAMME KONKLUSION AT VI INGEN RETTIGHEDER HAR SOM BORGERE. Vi er fortsat i en virkelig OND cirkel !
DANSKE BORGERE SKAL ALLE LEVE
SOM MARTIN LUTHER FØR REFORMATIONEN FOR NU 500 ÅR SIDEN: EFTER OG UNDER KIRKENS REGLER!
500 år har ikke flyttet NATIONEN videre!
Mvh Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt.
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Daniela Skov <daniela.skov@gmail.com> wrote:
Det er så bagvendt af Kirkens ledere og ligeså GROV uvidenhed OG historieløshed hos en kæmpe flok mennesker igennem lange tider der har fået deres UNIVERSITETSGRAD SOM TEOLOGER, at klandre staten og løbe fra VIRKELIGHEDEN, at de er ansvarlige for nationens tilstand først - ikke staten men præsterne!
De end ikke OVERVEJER FÆLLESSKABS TÆNKNING / KONCEPT SOM ER BIBELSK KORREKT: hebraisk tænkning !
De end ikke NÆVNER at de ønsker at GIVE TILBAGE TIL NATIONEN i taknemmelighed over , hvad de har fået : GRATIS UDDANNELSE I ÅREVIS SOM ALLE ANDRE DER KOMMER HEROP, blir skudt i skoene tiltrækker indvandrere og flygtninge. VELFÆRD siden 60'rne er det vel historisk.
AT DE ER FORSØRGET HVER MÅNED AF STATEN, PRÆSTERNE OM DE KALDER SIG BISKOPPER, PROVSTER ELLER PRÆSTER.
Kære Manu Sareen, når de klandrer staten igen igen BL A I KR.DAGBLAD ARTIKEL I DENNE UGE: STATEN VERDSLIGGØR / SEKULARISERER KIRKEN
SÅ SKURRER DET FÆLT I ØRERNE:
1.
Hvorfor vil de så vedblivende være underlagt staten, om de mener der er et så grelt og med så alvorlige konsekvenser modsætningsforhold ??? BISKOPPER SOM ENDOG ER LØNNET AF STATEN, OPTRÆDER SÅ RESPEKTLØST OG VIRKELIG UDEN VISDOM:
KRITISERER DEN HÅND "SOM FODRER" DERES OVERORDNEDE. OG FRAVÆLGER AT SAMARBEJDE I LOYALITET.
Det er ikke en kristen livsholdning og tro værdigt på nogen måde. I Bibelen formaner! IKKE FORESLÅR! apostlen Paulus, at vi skal bede for vore nationers ledere. Så det må gå vore nationer godt. Der blir bedt hver søndag i kirken for Dronning og hele det Kongelige hus ja og politikere i regering, folketing og alle valgte råd.
Biskopper og præster: LEV I PRAKSIS OG MODELER LEDERSKAB IGENNEM JERES EGET EKSEMPEL, AT I RESPEKTERER I HAR NOGEN OVER JER, SOM I ER ACCOUNTABLE OVERFOR.
Politikerne har desværre taget til sig , at den opførsel er OK SOM KULTUR I DANMARK
Det er nemlig ligesådan tonen og hele adfærden er hos VENSTRE . DF og flere politikere:
DE KRITISERERER OG TALER GRIMT OM VÆLGERNE,
NÅR DE GØR OS SMÅ BORGERE PÅ OVERFØRSEL: kontanthjælp, dagpenge, pensioner til PROBLEMET I SAMFUNDET.
HVADENTEN VI ER SÅKALDT ETNISKE DANSKERE ELLER INDVANDRERE ELLER FLYGTNINGE OG SÅ OG SÅ MANGE GENERATIONS ....danskere , til objekter i valgkampen som PROBLEMET I DANMARK.
HUSK
At VI FAKTISK ER ENTEN POTENTIELLE VÆLGERE, DE, DER FÅR STATSBORGERSKAB
SAMT OS, DER ER ETNISK -ANERKENDTE DANSKERE
at vi må kalde os danskere,
VI BORGERE I DANMARK ER JERES FORSØRGELSESGRUNDLAG
KÆRE POLITIKERE.
Hvorfor skal nogen politiker henvende sig til BORGERNE I NATIONEN MED RESPEKTLØS TALE OG MISBRUGE NOGEN BORGERES LIVSVILKÅR TIL AT LAVE TAL, DER VISER AT POLITIKEREN MÅSKE SCORER EN
STATSMINISTERPOST
PÅ AT KLANDRE OG NEDGØRE EN KÆMPESTOR POTENTIEL VÆLGERSKARE, OM BLOT HAN FORSØGTE AT KOMME OS I DEN KATEGORI I MØDE.
ALLE BORGERNE: VI ER DEN HÅND, DER FODRER VORE FOLKEVALGTE.
UDEN OS
UDEN VORE STEMMER ER DER INGEN STATSMINISTERPOST FORUDE FOR NOGEN MAND ELLER KVINDE.
"NEJ TIL UMENNESKELIGHED
http://www.information.dk/535762
Anton Geist
Politik, der skaber fattigdom
LEDER
9. juni 2015
”... Det er efterhånden blevet sagt mange gange, at de fleste danskere ikke vil mærke den store forskel, hvis regeringsmagten skifter efter det forestående folketingsvalg. Men særlig en gruppe vil med ét få ændret deres liv: Flygtninge og indvandrere på kontanthjælp vil blive sænket ned i fattigdom, og det samme vil deres børn..."
2.
BISKOPPER, PROVSTER, PRÆSTER:
HVORFOR KAN DE BERETTIGE AT BLIVE LØNNET OG FÅ ALLE STATENS SIKKERHEDSNET OG FORDELE UDEN AT SE INDAD.
DE NÆGTEDE OG STÅR SAMMEN I DEN VIDEN, AT REAGERE PÅ DERES OVERORDNEDE, dig Kirkeminister Manu Sareen i 2012! da du skrev for at løse sagen JONAS, POLITIET OG OS HER.
BISKOP KARSTEN NISSEN VALGTE AT OVERHØRE 100 procent, at du skrev til ham
som VAR TILSYNSFØRENDE FOR SOGNEPRÆST I HJERM JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN!
SKAMLØST at biskop og provster lever som EKSEMPLET PÅ DEN GRÆSKE STAT: UNDERKENDER
UNDERSPILLER TOTALT DERES EGET ANSVAR FOR ØKONOMIEN I NATIONEN.
ER
De vil HAVE PENGE OG FRED TIL AT GØRE HVAD DE MENER ER BEDST FOR DEM SELV=Kirken.
Ja, OG LEVE OG FORKYNDE OG HÆVE DERES LØN OG FORSØRGELSES GRUNDLAG HVER MÅNED PÅ EN DÅB, SOM ER RODFÆSTET i ODINKULTEN. De forsøger at TIE alt ihjel. Alt som ikke passer dem. Men at ignorere virkeligheden- FÅR DEN IKKE TIL AT GÅ VÆK.
Verden er alt for lille til at nogen kan putte sig og vente på "ting går væk!"
KIRKEN er I et Nødvendigt stormvejr, siden de ikke tager krav om økonomisk ansvarlighed og gennemsigtig ledelse i 2015 til sig
Vælger at lære og at ÆNDRE SIG DRASTISK INDEFRA
og implementerer det
OG IKKE TRO DE HAR TALERET TIL AT FORKYNDE DERES VERSION AF
VERDENSRELIGIONEN
KRISTENDOMMEN,
INDI MENNESKER I
REGERINGENS ELLER BORGERNES LIV
UDEN AT DE FØRST SELV PRAKTISERER DET, DE FORKYNDER.
JA, AT IGNORERE BISKOPPERS VIGTIGSTE FUNKTION
TILSYNSFØRENDE! I BIBLEN (I NYT TESTAMENTE) SOM DE PÅSTÅR ER EET AF SKRIFTER, BEKENDELSESSKRIFTER MM
ER BISKOP = TILSYNSFØRENDE!
SÅ ER DER BEHOV FOR EN ABSOLUT STRAMNING OG INTERVENTION FRA DEN STAT, DER BETALER DERES LØN,
FOR I HVILKEN ANDEN VIRKSOMHED ER DET ACCEPTERET AT LEDERNE KØRER ØKONOMIEN I SÆNK?
JA, GLEMMER OG IGNORERER VISDOM I PLANLÆGNING AF PENSIONS OPSPARINGER LANGSIGTET TIL DERES ANSATTE?
OG FORVENTER BORGERE UDE OMKRING REDDER DEM?
GRÆKENLAND, lige meget hvor smilende deres Premierminister fremstår i News har fået deres ultimatum
tidspunktet for at festen slutter NU i sommer.
3. KARSTEN NISSEN FHV OG MANGEÅRIG STATSANSAT TJENESTEMANDSANSAT BISKOP UNDLOD ANSVARET, UDEN KONSEKVENSER FOR HAM SOM LEDER .
STATSKASSEN ER DET VEL SOM BETALER FESTEN:
Politi igen igen i telefon og i retten i HOLSTEBRO! Lønninger? HVEM BETALER DERES TIDSFORBRUG OG HVEM BETALER FOR KONSEKVENSERNE AF AT POLITIET LØBER PASTOR JONAS S-P OG BISKOP KARSTEN NISSENS OG DE ØVRIGE BISKOPPERS UVILLIGHED OG NÆGTELSE AF TILSYN OG LØSNINGSORIENTERET LEDELSE AF KIRKEN?
Konsekvenser af de timer og minutter POLITIET er beskæftiget KOMPLET UNØDIGT MED KIRKENS PRÆSTERS ARBEJDSOMRÅDE
OG DERMED
IKKE
IFÆRD MED AT BRUGE DERES
RESSOURCER
PÅ VIRKELIGE POLITI RELEVANTE OPGAVER
OG FORHOLD I NATIONEN DANMARK
Tilhold
Forkyndt tilhold af lønnet??? person ved vore døre i LARS hjem, OG i mit hjem?
Sygehus : OVERLÆGE TO SAMTALER (PTSD) og måneder hvor socialrådgiver fører samtaler med mig så jeg er under kontrol fordi jeg må have stærk medicin !
Tilskud til medicin.
Lægebesøg i mit hjem og politi først fordi jeg græder så voldsomt over det traume og Ubehandlet PTSD MHT JONAS FØREN OS ALLE BAG LYSET OG HENRI NISSEN KIRKENS JOURNALISTS ONDE MAILS ,SÅ NABOER HER RINGER POLITIET BEKYMRET FOR MIG OG OM JOSVA 13 år
ER HJEMME I DEN GRÅD?
To betjente -virkelig hjælpsomme kommer ud. Hvem betaler?
De kalder min daværende læge ud Til mig og hvem BETALER PENGENE MIT TRAUME KOSTER SAMFUNDET?
Lægen vurderer jeg skal ha hjælp på sygehuset og ikke "KUN" psykolog som jeg TAK GUD får m tilskud: HVEM BETALER SYGESIKRINGS TILSKUDDET?
Traume sidder i HJERNEN. OG TANKER KØRER OG MARERIDT (PTSD)
Alt det m JONAS OG POLITIET
OVERGREBET
FRA 19 -09-2012 og alle de minder fra KIRKENS PSYKISKE TERROR OG CHIKANE
LÆGENS ORD PÅ SKRIFT DENGANG I VIST 2008 (årstal kan vi checke om nødvendigt)
Til at søge sygesikringstilskud til mig til PSYKOLOG SOM ER DYR !
PPR hjælp til vor søn, Josva. Hvem betaler ?
STATEN HAR ET STORT ANSVAR JA:
Vil I trækkes rundt i manegen og punge ud i dag, i morgen og i år og de næste 4 ÅR
Penge de får til SELVVEDLIGEHOLDELSE
så de kan
LEGE KIRKE?
Det gør kirken
på alles bekostning og få lov at gøre det.
Så selvfølgelig blir de ved.
Fordi de kan!
Mvh Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt.
Sareen: Hvornår begynder kirken at udnytte sit kæmpestore potentiale? | Kristeligt Dagblad
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/sareen-giver-folkekirken-en-opsang
www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/debat/daab-i-det-fri.-doebtes-optagelse-i-menigheden-skal-traditionen-tro-staa-i-centrum/præst-hvis-du-melder-dig-ud-af-folkekirken-deserterer-du
http://www.kristendom.dk/synspunkt/pr%C3%A6st-hvis-du-melder-dig-ud-af-folkekirken-deserterer-du
Det er utroligt at BISKOPPER kun melder ud om det der er til gavn for
dem selv: DÅB -INDTÆGTSKILDE OG UNDGÅ MESSEFALD.
AT DE LEVER KUN I SMÅ INTERNE CIRKLER , (det der foregår lige omkring
dem selv i kirken) HVOR MAN BEKRÆFTER HINANDEN , DET ER UTROLIGT AT DE
VIL VÆRE SIG SELV BEKENDT som UNIVERSITETSUDDANNEDE ALTSÅ
HØJTUDDANNEDE
VOKSNE MED PERSONALELEDELSESANSVAR.
Når præster fastholder troen, smuldrer folkekirken.
Peter Erkmann
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
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From: <lkrogholt@gmail.com>
Date: 10. June 2015 at. 14.19
Subject: Fwd: Josva, continuation school payment! (We live AS a NATION STILL AS MARTIN LUTHER DID 500 years ago BEFORE the REFORMATION: AFTER the CHURCH'S RULES (unwritten LAW): Sareen: When the Church begins to exploit its huge potential? | Kristeligt Dagblad: Dear Manu Sareen: THANK YOU. And you are 100 percent Right.
To: Poul Jørgensen <forstander@efterskolen-kildevaeld.dk>
Dear Poul.
This is sent out, for all the leaders of the Church have responsibility!
Best regards Lars Krøgholt
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From: Daniela S <daniela.skov@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 10. June 2015
"karina_lorentzen@hotmail.com" <trykkefrihed@trykkefrihed.dk>, "Trine.bramsen@ft.dk" <tip@tv2.dk>, "tva@dr.dk" <kmfyn@km.dk>, "lfstift@km.dk" <redaktionen@berlingske.dk>, <lkrogholt@gmail.com>, "indland@k.dk" <hanne.fall.nielsen@jp.dk>, "her@hado.dk" <aaserobert@gmail.com>, "sav@ankl.dk" <mvjyl@politi.dk>, "sojyl@politi.dk" <post@udsatte.dk>, "blohm@blohmknudsen.dk" <kmaal@km.dk>, "kmaar@km.dk" <llr@km.dk>, "kmros@km.dk" <kmkbh@km.dk>, " info@frikirkenet.dk"<betina@hoffmann-hansen.dk>,"kova@kova.dk"<mogensenkova@gmail.com>,"keld@valgmenighed.dk"<gwp@km.dk>,"helga@valgmenighed.dk"<nha@km.dk>,"henri@udfordringen.dk"<hebl@km.dk>,"btk@km.dk"<mduk@km.dk>,"mima@km.dk"<joj@km.dk>
Fwd: Joshua. SCHOOL MONEY!
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2015
Subject: Joshua
Two: Poul Jørgensen <forstander@efterskolen-kildevaeld.dk>
Dear Poul.
(for information, for mail recipients, principal at After school)
We have gone through various violent things in connection with the Church, as we have written about to a few different recipients. We have not talked with Joshua about it, but it has influenced him much.
He has lost some school erudition with absence of 3-4 grade due to headaches, stomach pain, etc. The trauma which the Church has brought us, has affected his limbic brain. The area is important in the learning of mathematics! The school went into it with all the support around Josva as possible.
A psychologist from PPR, who we talked with on his school said, in a meeting with us, the PPR, the Principal Lena and Josva’s class teacher at the time about the test result from the PPR test, which the Children's section on the hospital had "ordained" to Josva - that Joshua was not permitted to be involved in something with the Church. In other words, "we might not talk about those things when he was home, his health may not tolerate it!"
Another PPR hired social worker said openly to Daniela,they have many families, who get help from them "due to them from up there! ": School/Church". We have even seen how Bent Christiansen has appeared reticent and manipulated us. These things affect unfortunately, the Christian schools' reputation in the city. We see this as really seriously, in addition to children and adults suffering! We have had a good working relationship with this private school, where we also have informed about these things, and we hope that we may have with you. Josva rang today to Daniela and he shakes-Daniela could hear it, because we know Joshua, because he was afraid, he is afraid, for now it is with money been said to him, so he takes it upon himself, of course, and it is stress again to be in insecurity. He has paid a high price, not least because he has been alone in its home: go to church, rallies, school meetings etc. without us; It is an unacceptable situation in all areas and ways. Will you give him a little extra care?! In addition, Support him so he can read and manage their time of exam well?
The best regards Lars.
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From: Daniela Skov <daniela.skov@gmail.com>
Date: 11. June 2015 at. 11.51
Topic: : "http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/debat/folkekirken-efter-gud.-nu-maa-folkekirken-en-gang-alle-tilpasse-sig-den-nye-virkelighed" the story of God is still in transition, because the figure God is losing its role as the Danes (including, of course, also many priests) discovers that God is a man-made illusion. When we as an organization is in the midst of a radical transformation of their own values, so it is no wonder that both leadership and communication are diffuse. As when priests tells, that they do not believe in a creator and create entertaining God, or when the Parish Council Announces after a priest who actually believe in (a) God.
It may also cost a lot of money, that we first in 2011, I believe it was, get the advice of State Attorney where we complain about the decision at the police, who are treating and disclaims to take our police report of Lone Ingrid Ambæk (Now Skjoldholm) SERIOUSLY THOUGH SHE lets GIFT contribution to Kolding Kirkecenter) the Pentecostal Church in Kolding, from people in 4 churches go into her own POCKET and ACCOUNT and cause that no giver can receive our LAWFUL TAX DEDUCTIONS.
The State Attorney is dealing with the matter and in tlf she advises Daniela that we need to report AS MANY vicars who are responsible to the police.
Tax is also asked of us on SUPERVISION MHT LONE Ingrid Skjoldholm . She abused in her company 100 percent VISTA PRINT’S COPYRIGHT by making their products to her own designs.
When JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN becomes PARISH Vicar he ABUSES police and another PUBLIC State Attorney in VIBORG to silence EVERYTHING happening in CHURCH and THIS STATE ATTOURNEY SPENDS HER WORK HOURS and HER SALARY ignoring her PREDECESSOR'S DECISION about reporting many vicars to the POLICE!
Then there is the repeated 60 days periods, from STATE ATTOURNEY's deadline where she uses the time/money to reach the SAME CONCLUSION that WE have repeatedly NO RIGHTS AS CITIZENS. We are still in a really vicious circle!
DANISH CITIZENS MUST ALL LIVE
AS MARTIN LUTHER DID BEFORE THE REFORMATION NOW 500 YEARS AGO:
AFTER, UNDER, and according to the CHURCH'S RULES AND REIN.
500 years have not moved the NATION forward!
Kind regards Daniela Skov and Lars Krøgholt.
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Daniela Skov <daniela.skov@gmail.com> wrote:
It's so upside down and backwards by Church leaders and also GROSS ignorance and lack of historical knowledge from with a large group of people who through many years have received their UNIVERSITY DEGREE AS THEOLOGIANS for free of cost in our Nations wellfare system that they continue throwing blame and reproach on the State. Running from reality, that they are responsible for the nations first. The pastors not the State but they are responsible.
They do not seem to CONSIDER COMMUNITY THINKING/CONCEPT which is BIBLICALLY CORRECT: Hebrew thinking!
They do not mention that they want to GIVE BACK to the NATION in gratitude for what they have: FREE EDUCATION for years as ALL OTHERS that COME UP HERE, are accused of attracting numerous immigrants and refugees. WELFARE since the 60’s it is historical.
THEY ARE Provided their salary EACH MONTH BY THE STATE, THE PRIESTS WHETHER THEY CALL THEMSELVES BISHOPS, PROVSTER OR Vicars.
Dear Manu Sareen, when they blame the State again again, AMONG OTHER THINGS,
1! in the US. NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THIS WEEK: STATE SECULARIZES CHURCH
Then it makes an AWFUL noise in our ears.
Why, then, do you remain subject to state whether you think there is such a ø and with such serious consequences contradiction??? BISHOPS WHO EVEN IS PAID BY THE STATE, ACTING SO DISRESPECTFULLY AND REALLY WITHOUT WISDOM:
THEY CRITIZE THE HAND "WHICH FEEDS" THEM - their Superiors
With no effort TO COOPERATE IN LOYALTY.
It is not a Christian attitude and belief of life with dignity in any way. The Apostle Paul in the Bible admonishes! DOES NOT Give a kind suggestion
that we must be prayerful for our nation's leaders. Then it go well for our Nations, God promises in return. Every Sunday in church intercession is made on behalf of our the Queen and the entire Royal House and for
Politicians in Government, Parliament and all of the elected Council.
Bishops and priests: LIVE THIS LIFE in Practical daily manner and MODEL LEADERSHIP through YOUR OWN EXAMPLE,
that you are honouring our State Leaders . You are accountable to them as well as to God Himself.
Politicians have, unfortunately, taken to heart that the dishonoring attitude is OK AS CULTURE in DENMARK
It is for the same tone and the whole behavior is at Venstre + DF and several politicians:
THEY Slander and TALK UGLY ABOUT THEIR VOTERS
When THEY ADRESS ISSUES ON US SMALL CITIZENS on migration: cash assistance, temporary daily subsistence allowances, pensions WE BECOME THE FINANCIAL PROBLEM IN OUR NATION.
the PROBLEM in THE ENTIRE SOCIETY.
WHETHER WE are SO-CALLED ETHNIC DANES or IMMIGRANTS or REFUGEES and SO MANY GENERATION.... Danes, downgraded into objects in the election campaign as the PROBLEM in DENMARK.
REMEMBER
That We Are In Fact ALL POTENTIAL VOTERS, Those Who GAIN CITIZENSHIP
And you need to hear that you speak as if people literally FLEE from hard work in their own Nations to go to DENMARK and live happily ever after on WELLFARE.
NOT FLERING FROM WAR
BUT FROM WORK.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT SO MANY SAT FOR YEARS ALREADY IN WAITING IN DENMARK HOPING FOR THEIR EDUCATIONS THEY ALREADY HAD BE ACCEPTED IN A JOB HERE AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF RULES CONFINEMENT IN SMALL ROOMS AT ASYLUM CENTERS FOR YEARS.
THEY ARE NOT THE ONES WHO DID NOT DESIRE TO WORK!
NO ONE FLED FROM HARD WORK AS THE THREAT ON HIS OR HER EXISTENCE.
Please! DO NOT USE US
CITIZENS FOR YOUR OWN ADVANTAGE AS YOU SPEAK NOW
AND SLANDER SO MANY OF US INTO UNWORTHY CATEGORIES
AS IF
YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED DENMARK WILL NEVER FACE A 3rd WORLD WAR
WHERE YOU ARE KNOWN AND REMEMBERED FOR WHAT YOU SOWED AND THEN YOU MAY RISK BEING THE ONES WHO HARVEST REJECTION , RIDDICULE AND NO ONE WILL HELP YOU IN NEED . This is not written as a threat. Nevertheless, a reminder that we are all to be GRATEFUL Denmark has been peaceful for as many as 70 years.
We are all voters
Foreigners who integrate as well as Us so-called ETHNO-RECOGNIZED DANES
that we may call us Danes, .
WE CITIZENS OF DENMARK ARE ALL THE SOURCE OF YOUR POLITICIANS FINANCIAL MONTHLY Salary PROVISION and your Right to be in Government. It was NEVER the other way round.
DEAR POLITICIANS.
Why should any politician turn to the citizens of the NATION with the Downgrading RETHORICS and ABUSE ANY CITIZENS ' LIVING CONDITIONS to LOW FIGURES, SHOWING that the POLITICIAN MIGHT SCORE a
PRIME MINISTERIAL POST
TO BLAME AND DEMEAN A POTENTIAL VOTER, AND NOT SEE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS LEADERS TO ALL OF US CITIZENS AND NOT A SOCALLED GROUP OF SUPPORTERS OF YOUR OWN PHILOSOPHY.
ALL OF US CITIZENS IN DENMARK: WE ARE THE HAND THAT FEEDS OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, MINISTERS IN PARLIAMENT AND GOVERNMENT TO HAVE DAILY BREAD FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES
WITHOUT US
WITHOUT OUR VOTES, THERE IS NO PRIME MINISTERIAL POST AHEAD FOR ANY MAN OR WOMAN.
" NO TO INHUMANITY
http://www.information.dk/535762
Anton Geist
Policy that creates poverty
LEADER
9. June 2015
"... It has gradually been said many times, that most Danes will not notice the big difference if Government change after the upcoming Folketing election. But especially a group will suddenly change their life: Refugees and immigrants on the cash benefit will be sunk into poverty, as will their children ... "
2.
BISHOPS, PROVSTER, PASTORS
WHY CAN THEY JUSTIFY BEING PAID AND GET ALL THE STATE'S SAFETY NET AND BENEFITS WITHOUT LOOKING INWARDLY AND ACKNOWLEDGE RESPONSIBILITY IN LEADERSHIP?
THEY REFUSED and are stand United knowing Karsten Nissen did not choose to honor and RESPOND to you who were Church minister Manu Sareen in 2012! When you wrote, in order to bring resolve into the case JONAS, POLICE and US HERE.
BISHOP KARSTEN NISSEN, CHOSE to ignore 100 percent that you wrote to him
who was SUPERVISOR of PARISH Vicar in HJERM , JONAS SERNER-PEDERSEN!
SHAMELESSLY to Bishop and Deans living as the EXAMPLE of the GREEK STATE:
TOTALLY UNDERPLAYS THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ECONOMY IN THE NATION.
Bishops claimed they want money and PEACE to DO what THEY THINK is BEST FOR THEM (= Church.)
Yes, to LIVE and PREACH and RAISE THEIR SALARY and PROVIDENT BASIS EACH MONTH due to child BAPTISM, which practicing is ROOTED in the ODIN CULT. They are trying to SILENCE THIS FACT WHICH IS TOLD NOW MORE TIMES.
Everything that does not fit them, sadly enough and Strangely too as responsible of shepherding congregations , not run US as a business.
Bishops ignoring reality- perhaps wishfully thinking it will go away some day.
The world is too small for someone to hide themselves in WAITING FOR "things go away!"
The CHURCH is in a necessary storm,
A perfect storm
Becoming transformed in this season in World history with Paradigms shifting,
since they do not take responsibility for financial accountability and transparent management in 2015 and within themselves
Choose to learn and to CHANGE DRASTICALLY from the INSIDE
and implement the needed changes .
It is not honouring any citizens - TAX paying who provide for pastors daily bread
to take for granted you pastors have any Right to preach and speak into People's lives the version of the
WORLD RELIGION
CHRISTIANITY,
you prefer and still are allowed by Government to operate from
Speaking into GOVERNMENT Officials lives who you pay no Real respect Or into lives of any citizen at funerals, weddings and Sunday services if we are met with dishonoring AND IGNORING WHO WE ALL ARE AND HOW WE SEE CHURCH AND FAITH.
WITHOUT PASTORS PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH.
TEACHING BY EXAMPLE OUR YOUTH NOT TO CARE ABOUT MATTERS THAT CONCERNS US - political matters Such as the increasing poverty in society,
and mainly address lack of more child baptisms as Church main issue,
A problem that offended Bishop in Roskilde that Jesus could be resurrected biologically
plus the threat from homosexuals into Church or an occasional Vicar addressing the dire need of GOD in the Church -
also Church SPENDS money they do not have and forget to care for staff retirement coming soon.
YES, IGNORING THE BISHOPS MAIN FUNCTION
SUPERVISION
IN THE BIBLE (NEW TESTAMENT) WHICH THEY CLAIM IS ONE OF THE CONFESSIONAL WRITINGS being recognized
BISHOP = SUPERVISOR!
There is a dire need for a scrutiny, and intervention from State once more into Church affairs
Especially financial affairs
IN WHAT OTHER BUSINESS, IT IS ACCEPTED THAT THE MANAGERS RUN THE ECONOMY WITH NO WISDOM AND LONG TERM PLANNING EITHER.
YES, FORGET AND IGNORE WISDOM IN PLANNING FOR RETIREMENT SAVINGS LONG TERM FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES?
AND EXPECT CITIZENS
Taxpaying to ACCEPT A TAX INCREASE
AND POLITICIANS NOT ALERT US ALL IN THIS CRUCIAL MATTER: TAX increase
BEFORE AN ELECTION
To Rescue THEM?
This issue will not disappear after June 18 -2015 by being Kept a secret to all now.
No relationships benefit from secrecy or lying.
In addition, to re- build trust is a long tough walk to journey.
GREECE, no matter how smiling their prime minister appears in News have had their ultimatum
the PARTYING ends NOW in summer.
3. KARSTEN NISSEN, FORMER and LONGTIME STATE EMPLOYEE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE BISHOP FAILED RESPONSIBILITY,
WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES FOR HIM AS A MANAGER.
TAX
IS that the Source, which pays the partying?
Police again again on the phone and in court in HOLSTEBRO, Denmark!
Wages?
WHO PAYS FOR THEIR WORK HOURS?
WHO WILL PAY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE POLICE RULED BY REVEREND JONAS S-P AND BISHOP KARSTEN NISSEN'S errands
MOREOVER, THE OTHER BISHOPS’ UNWILLINGNESS AND REFUSAL OF SUPERVISION AND SOLUTION-ORIENTED MANAGEMENT OF THE CHURCH?
Consequences of the hours and minutes the POLICE help Jonas and Church COMPLETELY UNNECESSARILY.
THUS
not doing IMPORTANT police work.
Use RESOURCES
ON REAL POLICE APPROPRIATE TASKS
Into criminal affairs or being visible on Streets Security the safe atmosphere for many IN Our NATION DENMARK
Restraining order
A probably paid with salary
man who came to our homes to Testify we are given police restraint orders on behalf of Jonas.
Instead of a most wanted and needed dialogue between Jonas and us. He could have asked us to come to Holstebro police station if he was afraid of us. Or more appropriate Bishop Karsten Nissen in Viborg and /or Pastoral Leader Carsten Hoffmann , Struer could have come for the 15 minute dialogue needed at the longest!
A huge difference financially!!!
Hospital: CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER twice for finding out my trauma (PTSD) and months where a social worker helped me so I'm under correct control because I must have very strong medication!
Reimbursement of medicines.
Doctor visits in my home and 2 police came FIRST because I was crying desperately over trauma and the unattended to PTSD . Neighbours here phoned police they worried our 13 Year old son Josva was home with me in all my crying and despair and hopelessness because of all the POWER ABUSE IN CHURCH
from the traumatic day Sept 19-2012 where our former friend Jonas totally unexpectedly has a police officer call me . JONAS IN HIS OFFICE AS A VICAR SAYS THE POLICEMAN AND HE REFUSES TO HEAR MY SIDE OF THE STORY.
All the rough and UNJUST treatment from Jonas lying and getting away with
The entire Church represented by Journalist and editor at THE ENTIRE CHURCH WEEKLY MAGAZINE HENRI NISSEN, CHRISTIANSFELD
SENDING US EVIL MAILS, ADRESSING ON BEHALF OF MANY ACCORDING TO HIM MORE THAN ONCE THAT LARS IS SICK IN HIS HEAD
ONGOING IN YEARS SLANDERING US TO MANY THUS HELPING JONAS TO ISOLATE US FROM OUR FORMER RELATIONSHIPS IN CHURCH
THE Two policemen who were really helpful come to my home! who pays for this?
They then called my doctor out to me and who pays the MONEY MY TRAUMA COSTS SOCIETY?
The doctor assessed then I must have more thorough help at the hospital and not "ONLY" psychologist which I THANK GOD was granted for long.
who PAYS HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY?
Trauma sits in the brain. AND THOUGHTS RUNNING AND NIGHTMARES (PTSD)
Everything m JONAS and the POLICE
OVER the GRIP
FROM 19-09-2012 and all the memories of the "CHURCH'S PSYCHOLOGICAL TERROR and HARASSMENT"
Doctor Henrik Prinds Rasmussen's WORDS in WRITING in 2008 (year can we check if necessary)
He is a doctor who is in Kristkirken's Menighedsråd (church council) in Kolding for years in his spare time.
To give to me health insurance reimbursement for me to a psychologist .
HOSPITAL AND PROFFESSIONAL help for our son, Joshua. Who payS ?
THE STATE HAS A LARGE RESPONSIBILITY INDEED:
Are you ministers in Government letting State Church drag us ALL round The corner one more season?
All The STATE FINANCED self-MAINTENANCE
so that they can
PRETEND AND PLAY CHURCH?
STATE FINANCES the Church
at everyone's expense and they get away with Real mismanagement
which is of course
Because they can!
MVH Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt
Sareen: When the Church begins to exploit its huge potential? | Kristeligt Dagblad
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/sareen-giver-folkekirken-en-opsang
www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/debat/daab-i-det-fri.-doebtes-optagelse-i-menigheden-skal-traditionen-tro-staa-i-centrum /priest-if-you-joins-you-out-of-the people's Church-joins-you
http://www.kristendom.dk/synspunkt/pr%C3%A6st-hvis-du-melder-dig-ud-af-folkekirken-deserterer-du
It is incredible that BISHOPS only address publically what is beneficial to
themselves:
BAPTISM-
Is the main
SOURCE of INCOME and
The huge CONCERN for so-called "Messefald"
That is publically and most rude and ABUSIVE describing us CITIZENS as in a shortage of seats taken in a Sunday service!
THEY Seem to be Living in circles ,or comfort zones where People are just like
themselves in the Church)
MERELY Confirming EACH OTHER,
Uphold CONFORMITY
Rigid and for 78 percent of members irrelevant so they are not active in Church.
2-4 percent ONLY OF 78 tax paying members are ACTIVE
which would have been disastrous in a Theatre or Sports club. And not seen we believe in any other interest group in Denmark???
IT'S AMAZING THAT MEN AND WOMEN CAN FEEL SELF RESPECT AND WORK SATISFACTION
EVEN LOOK THEMSELVES INTO THE EYES EVERY EVENING AFTER A DAYS WORK. People with
UNIVERSITY DEGREED SO
HIGHLY TRAINED
ADULTS WITH STAFF MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES.
'When the priests cling to faith, the people's Church crumbles "
Peter Erkmann
Best Regards
Daniela Skov, Lars Krøgholt