Pressenævnet
Adelgade 11-13, 4.
1304 København K
Vi vil hermed klage over et svar, vi har fået fra redaktionschef Jeppe Duvå, Kristeligt Dagblad.
Anledningen er denne artikel https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/chikanerede-praester-mangler-hjaelp, hvor vi beskrives som "to personer fra sin tidligere valgmenighed i Kolding". Vi skulle angiveligt have foretaget "100 ubehagelige opkald om dagen og 12 timers chikane på telefonsvareren gennem de sidste 3 år.
Vi har fået et polititilhold fra præsten Jonas Serner-Pedersen, og han beskriver desuden at vi skriver om hvor dårligt et menneske han er, og at vi føres bag lyset, fordi han er en skummel person. Vi omtales, anonymt, men er dog ikke mere anonyme end at vi er en del af den forholdsvis lille personkreds (højst 100-150 voksne), som har haft vores gang i en (den eneste) valgmenighed i Kolding.
Vi henvendte os den 23. februar 2016 til Kristeligt Dagblads ansvarshavende chefredaktør Erik Bjerager og redaktionschef Jeppe Duvå på mail med følgende:
KÆRE KRISTELIGT DAGBLAD. Et indlæg som dette og flere inden for samme tema er virkelig udtryk for at AVISEN står som DOBBELTMORALENS VOGTER! Vi fik aldrig en henvendelse fra jer, så for os at se lagde I jer ind under biskop Henrik Stubkjær, Viborg sammen med sognepræst i HJERM, Viborg Stift, Jonas Serner-Pedersens UDOKUMENTEREDE PÅSTANDE OM OS "to personer fra sin tidligere valgmenighed i Kolding". Vi har et retsligt domsskrift som I burde have respekteret da Avisen har alt tilgængeligt vedr. os og alligevel SKRIVER I UD OVER HELE DANMARK OM "to personer fra sin (Jonas Serner- Pedersens) tidligere valgmenighed i Kolding".
I har IKKE KONTAKTET OS FORUD OG SLET HELLER IKKE SIDEN, SELVOM VI BAD OM EN UNDSKYLDNING FRA JER ALLEREDE I JANUAR 2016 FOR AT SVÆRTE OS TIL! M.v.h. Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt
Den 24. februar modtog vi følgende svar fra redaktionschef Jeppe Duvå:
Kære Lars Skov Krøgholt
Tak for din henvendelse.
Der står ingen navne i den artikel, som du – så vidt jeg kan tyde din mail – henviser til, på de personer, der har fået polititilhold. Da der i øvrigt ikke i artiklen optræder oplysninger, der kan identificere de pågældende, og da det alene er fakta, der oplyses, har du eller andre ikke noget belæg for at være krænket af nogen omtale i den pågældende artikel.
Hvis du er utilfreds med dette svar, har du mulighed for at klage til Pressenævnet, der har følgende adresse:
Pressenævnet
Adelgade 11-13, 4.
1304 København K.
Mailadresse:
Bedste hilsener, Jeppe Duvå
Redaktionschef
Daniela Skov blev rigtig kørt ned af det krænkende svar. Derfor skrev hun sent i går aftes, den 24. februar følgende til Jeppe Duvå, redaktionschef.
Til Jeppe Duvaa.
Det er så desværre rigtigt, at I ikke er bedre end et sladderblad. Jeg har ellers engang abonneret og osse anbefalet andre - men aldrig mere. Vi blev kontaktet af journalist på Tv midt vest FØR de udsendte Jonas interview og journalisten skrev FOR GOD JOURNALISTISK .... om at høre vores version først. DE BRUGTE IKKE VORE NAVNE MEN ALLIGEVEL BEHANDLEDE DE OS VÆRDIGT OG RESPEKTFULDT OG SIG SELV MED VÆRDIG FAGLIGHED OG SELVRESPEKT. I tillader sladder og løgn FOR DET KOSTER JER PÅ RY OG MEGET MERE AT STÅ OP IMOD EN BISKOP OG PRÆST, TROR I VEL? Eller hvad er jeres ÆRLIGE MOTIV FOR IKKE AT KONTAKTE OS? Der er ingen regler GENERELT PRESSEETISK at I ikke skal respektere NU- levende MED- mennesker, så vi ikke bliver smædet af jer. Så havde de andre jo ikke vist go skik og medmenneskelighed. En sag har jo altid flere sider, og KRISTELIG er jo ikke en NEUTRAL VÆRDIGHED at smykke sig med. Det forpligter til en standard, der svarer til de værdier JESUS KRISTUS står inde for. Ellers er det et misvisende TRADEMARK. MVH Daniela Skov.
Vi synes, det er et arrogant, krænkende og flabet svar, som ikke tager i betragtning, at vi er levende mennesker. Ej heller mennesker, som har vores eget udgangspunkt i forhold til de såkaldte "fakta", der præsenteres. Vi mener, at redaktionschef Jeppe Duvå tager absolut fejl, når han skriver at det er fakta, der oplyses i artiklen. Ord som "ubehagelige", "chikane", "ondsindede", "føres bag lyset", "skummel person" er subjektive udsagn, som ikke beskriver vores hensigt med henvendelserne. Enhver sag har to sider.
Derfor ønsker vi, at vi var blevet kontaktet af journalisten inden artiklen blev skrevet, og på det bestemteste før det blev udgivet på landsplan, og vi mener stadig, ja forventer at Kristeligt Dagblad giver os en undskyldning for at sværte os landsdækkende.
Desuden er vi let genkendelige. Når der i artiklen står, at vi har haft vores gang i en valgmenighed i Kolding - så der er en række mennesker, som måske kan identificere os, og i forhold til hvem vi i det mindste gerne ville give journalisten mulighed for at høre vores side af sagen.
Vi oplevede også, at TV Midt-Vest blev kontaktet af Sognepræst Jonas Serner-Pedersen for et interview om samme problematik, hvor de var så professionelle og hensynsfulde at kontakte os før de sendte ud, for at høre vores version af sagen.
Derfor kunne vi ønske, at vi var blevet kontaktet inden artiklen blev skrevet, og vi mener stadig, at Kristeligt Dagblad skulle give os en undskyldning for ikke at have gjort det.
Vi har gjort borgmesteren i Holstebro opmærksom på sagen: https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/oktober/07-10-2015
Dette er også delt med danske medier, The Independent, The Guardian og New York Times og flere.
Vi har fået støtte og opbakning fra veninde, Jannie Reinholdt Nielsen, bestyrelsesmedlem i Enhedslisten i Kolding. "Jeg så godt det svar. Lars har sendt det til mig også. Det er flabet", skriver hun.
Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov og Lars Skov Krøgholt.
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
To the Danish Press Board
We want to file a complaint of a response that we have received from Editorial Director Jeppe Duvå, Kristeligt Dagblad. (Christian Daily Newspaper).
At the behest of this article https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/chikanerede-praester-mangler-hjaelp, where we are described as " 2 persons from his former congregation in Kolding."
We allegedly made "100 nasty calls a day and 12 hours of harassment on his answering machine during the past 3 years."
We have received a police restraint from Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen, and he adds to his narrative that we write about how bad a person he is, and how we are duped, because he is a sinister person.
We are spoken of anonymously, but no more anonymous, than that we are part of the relatively small number of persons, (100- 150 adults at the most), who have had our church life in the only congregation of that particular kind of congregation in Kolding.
23 February 2016 we approached Kristeligt Dagblad’s Chief Editor Erik Bjerager and Editorial Director Jeppe Duvå by mail with the following:
DEAR Kristeligt Dagblad (CHRISTIAN DAIILY newspaper).
A post like this and more within the same theme is really an expression of how the NEWSPAPER is functioning in PROTECTING DOUBLE STANDARDS.
We never received a call from you, which indicates to us, you have placed yourselves under Bishop Stubkjær, Viborg along with his parish priest in HJERM, Viborg Diocese, Jonas Serner-Pedersen's unsubstantiated allegations about us: "Two people from his former congregation in Kolding".
We have a JURIDICIAL VERDICT Transcript we expect from you to respect since your newspaper has everything available concerning us. And yet you publish throughout DENMARK about "two persons from his former congregation in Kolding".
KRISTELIGT DAGBLAD, CHRISTIAN DAILY NEWSPAPER DID NOT CONTACT US BEFORE AND CERTAINLY NOT AFTER PUBLISHING THE ARTICLE EVENTHOUGH WE ASKED OF YOU TO APOLOGIZE TO US ALREADY January 2016 because you blacken us.
Kind Regards
Daniela Skov and Lars Skov Krøgholt.
On the 24 February, we received the following answer from Editorial Director Jeppe Duvå:
Dear Lars Skov Krøgholt
Thank you for your comment.
There are no names mentioned of those persons who have a police restraint order, in the article, which you – from how I interpret your mail – refer to. Since the article over all does not contain information, which can identify the persons, and since it is only facts that are informed about, neither you nor others have any evidence for being violated by any mention in this specific article.
If you are dissatisfied by this answer, you may file a complaint to the Press Board, which is situated here: [Mention of Address and mail-address]
Best regards, Jeppe Duvå
Editorial Director
Daniela Skov was really run down by your abusive response. Therefore she replied late last night , February 24- 2016 the following to Jeppe Duvå, editorial director.
To Jeppe Duvaa.
Sad to say it really is correctly perceived that you Kristeligt Dagblad, (Christian Daily Newspaper), is a no better than a gossip Magazine. I even subscribed to Kr. Dagblad a period in my life, and I recommended you to others, but never again.
We were contacted by a journalist from TvMidVest! BEFORE they published Jonas' interview and the journalist wrote TO PROVIDE PROPER JOURNALISTIC...describing that he wished to hear our version first.
THEY DID NOT USE OUR NAMES, BUT THEY TREATED US WITH DIGNITY AND THEY BEHAVED IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER TOWARDS US. THEY TREATED THEMSELVES WITH A DIGNIFIED PROFESSIONALISM AND SELF RESPECT.
You allow gossip and lies BECAUSE IT IS MORE COSTLY TO YOUR REPUTATION AND MUCH MORE TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST A BISHOP AND PASTOR, YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE?
Or what is your HONEST MOTIVE TO AVOID CONTACT WITH US?
There are no regulations GENERALLY PRESS ETHICS wise that entitles you not to respect LIVING FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS, so that we do not become vilified by you.
If so the other Media would not have shown good custom and humanity towards us.
There is always more to a matter than what meets the eye, and CHRISTIAN is not some NEUTRAL VIRTUE to adorn OURSELVES with. It commits to a standard that corresponds to the values JESUS CHRIST vouches for.
OR ELSE it is just a misleading TRADEMARK.
Kind Regards
Daniela Skov.
We find, this is an arrogant, abusive and flippant response that does not take into any consideration, the fact that we are living human being.
As it takes no consideration to us as human being, with our specific starting point in relation to the “facts” that are presented. We believe that Editorial director Jeppe Duvå is absolutely mistaken when he writes that it is facts that are stated in the article.
OzWords such as "Unpleasant", "harassment", "malicious", "duped" "sinister person" are subjective statements that do not describe our intention with our inquiries.
There is always more to a matter than what meet the eyes.
Therefore, it is our wish that we were contacted by the journalist before the article was written and definitely before it was published nationwide.
We still mean, YES we do expect from Christian Daily Newspaper (KRISTELIGT DAGBLAD) an apology, for blackening us nationwide.
We have made the Mayor of Holstebro aware of the case: https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/oktober/07-10-2015
This is also shared by Danish media, The Independent, The Guardian and New York Times and more.
We also experienced, that TV Mid-West was being contacted by Pastor Jonas Serner-Pedersen for an interview on same issues, where they were so professional and considerate, to contact us before publishing interview video, to hear our version.
We have received support from friend, Jannie Reinholdt Nielsen - she is member of the board of local political party of Enhedslisten here in Kolding:”I read the response (from editorial director, Jeppe Duvå) . Lars sent it to me too. It is flippant", she wrote.
Kind regards Daniela and Lars Skov Krøgholt.