Deres Majestæt!
Kære Statsminister Helle Thorning-Schmidt
Kære Kultur- og Kirkeminister Marianne Jelved
Kære Henrik Sass-Larsen
Kære Lars Løkke Rasmussen
Kære Stig Grenov og Kristendemokraterne
Kære Biskopper, provster og præster
Kære Arbejdsmarkedets parter
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/udland/lavere-u-landshjaelp-stoeder-biskopper
"Tænk om vore folkevalgte politikere gjorde som vore folkevalgte statslige tjenestemænds ansatte i statens kirke: ‼️‼️‼️misforstået deres opgave, for biskopper og præster og menighedsråd er folkevalgte på demokratisk vis. Ikke med royale forpligtelser til at tie om politik. Hvad i alverden skal vi med folkevalgte, der selv mener de skal blande sig uden om politik og hjernevasker alle ind i samme attitude.
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️Det er forfærdeligt at ledere i samfundet med så stor indflydelsessfære,
ja ledere i vor Nations værdibærende og kulturskabende kirke
ikke blir hørt og taget alvorligt iflg. denne PH-D studerende :
"Martin Vinæs Larsen, ph.d- studerende ved Københavns Universitet, hvor han blandt andet beskæftiger sig med vælgeradfærd og meningsdannelse, tror ikke, at kritikken vil påvirke vælgernes holdning til udviklingsbistand. Han henviser til amerikansk forskning, der viser, at det kræver to ting, hvis kendte personer skal have held til at anbefale en bestemt politisk retning. Dels skal vælgerne stole på, at den person, der udtaler sig, vil noget godt. Her har biskopperne formentlig ingen problemer. Men desuden skal vælgerne mene, at det er relevant, at den pågældende udtaler sig - og der falder biskopperne igennem.
”Mange vil mene, at det blot er utidig indblanding i valgkampen. De fleste danskere har en ide om, at danske præster og biskopper ikke skal blande sig i politik,” siger Martin Vinæs Larsen
On Monday, June 15, 2015, Daniela Skov <daniela.skov@gmail.com> wrote:
Kære Brian Arly Jacobsen.
Jeg var glad for at læse din artikel i KR.Dagblad nu til morgen.
Desværre er det godt om politikerne ville gå et spadestik dybere for demokratiet : PRÆSTER står i praksis over demokratiet i Dk ! Det er embedsmisbrug, og de gør det fordi
de kan!
30-05-2015 - Ytringsfriheden >>>>>>>>>> Freedom of Speach
"Spørgsmål til Finansminister Bjarne Corydon: Hvem betaler Jonas Serner-Pedersens forbrug af politiets ressourcer?
Hvorfor er det så farligt at melde ud hvad der foregår i den protestantiske del af kirken i Danmark. Hvorfor hedder det sig ”vi skal beskytte kirken”, når andre trossamfund (ateistisk selskab, agnostikere, Flying Spaghetti Monster) ikke holder deres meninger skjult. Hvordan kan det være, at tilmeldte og betalende kirkeskatteydere i Danmark og tilmeldte gavebidragsydere i frikirkerne ikke må vide hvad der foregår i KIRKEN, men bliver aktivt hindret i at kunne tage velinformeret stilling som borgere i Danmark til den kirke, og hvad der foregår i den kirke, som er en del af vores liv, ja som endda vil have penge ud af os? SOM VI ENDDA BETALER VORES PENGE TIL.
Spørgsmål til finansminister Bjarne Corydon: Du har sagt på tv i forbindelse med problematikken DONG – Goldman Sachs, og hvor du bliver udfordret i tillid/ mistillid, at du har skatteyderne, som du skal tage vare på i Danmark. Hvordan kan statens kirke år efter år være på finansloven, samt kræve kirkeskat ind fra mange borgere i Danmark, når der foregår så meget skjult for den brede befolkning, som bevidst er blevet holdt skjult? Som bevidst og med forsæt bliver holdt skjult; vi citerer: ”Vi skal beskytte kirken. Nye kristne (døbte) må ikke vide, hvad der foregår her, for så vil de ikke komme her” – februar 2012, Sognepræst i Hjerm Jonas Serner-Pedersen, i Viborg Stift under Biskop Henrik Stubkjær, Struer Provsti under Provst Carsten Hoffmann.
Kære Martin Krasnik.
Jeg så en virkelig god og tankevækkende samtale mellem dig og New York Times ytringsfriheden på min DR app i går! I dag har jeg set dette fra Anders Stjernholm og kunne KUN erklære mig 110 % ENIG så jeg har skrevet til ham og sendt ham satire som foregår bag ved ryggen af langt de fleste som 1. betaler deres kirkeskat
2. Ikke har nogen mulighed for at tage vel informeret stilling til deres medlemsskab af Statens kirke. Det er ikke en værdig situation for nogen borger i Danmark!
30-05-2015 - Ytringsfriheden >>>>>>>>>> Freedom of Speach
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/kristne-vil-undlade-stemme-paa-grund-af-deres-tro
Vi er forvaltere helt fra Skabelsens dage og fx i pengespørgsmål er Jesus helt konkret: giv Kejseren hvad Kejserens er..." Hvordan kan kristentro eller anden tro retfærdiggøre og berettige at vi lever på jorden og modtager alle samfundets goder: En god infrastruktur så vi færdes på de samme veje fx som blir vedligeholdt af det offentlige, og hvad med sygesikring - og så ikke vil tage ansvar? Det er en udnyttende holdning iklædt from sprogdragt, at biskopper, præster og åbenbart også almindelige borgere vælger at fralægge sig ansvar i Guds og religiøs præferences navn!
Tænk hvis alle kirkekristne mente, de ikke stod til ansvar og accepterede, at de så skulle de regeres af mennesker, som stod i opposition til kristne holdninger. Det er jo en islamistisk holdning. Det føles mærkeligt at høre en universitetsuddannet mand udtale sig ansvarsfralæggende i forhold til vort samfund. Lars Løkke, Saxo Banks leder og Søren Pape sætter dem der arbejder meget højt i værdi, de tager ansvar, de skal respekteres, mens syge og arbejdssøgende bliver talt ned til. Hvorfor gør du ikke Cand.mag. i Medievidenskab Arne Hougaard Pedersen til et eksempel for åben skærm, Lars Løkke Rasmussen? At være et ansvarligt menneske har ikke noget at gøre med uddannelsesniveau. Folk på overførselsindkomst og ufaglærte er en belastning for Danmark, de ældre er en byrde, men har det liberalistiske samfundssyn ret i de holdninger til mennesker der er resultat heraf? Flygtninge og asylansøgere er ikke mennesker, der er på flugt fra arbejde, men du Lars Løkke gør dem til samfundsnassere, der flygter fra arbejdsmarkedet. Men biskopper har lov til at køre på frihjul, de forventes ikke at blande sig i politik.
Apropos mentalt syg så er det et mærkeligt, at du endog bruger en
sygdomstilstand som SKÆLDSORD!
Det er usmageligt og UNFAIR OG GAD VIDE, HVILKEN POLITIK - HVILKE
TILTAG OG PLANER HAR KRISTENDEMOKRATERNE I DANMARK TIL DEN STORE DEL
AF BEFOLKNINGEN
SOM LIDER AF PSYKISKE LIDELSER.
DET ER NEMT DESVÆRRE AT FORSTÅ AT KRISTENDEMOKRATERNE
IKKE NÅR OVER SPÆRREGRÆNSEN
OG AT VI IKKE VED HELT ÆRLIGT, HVAD DE STÅR FOR LÆNGERE.
De er jo ikke i samklang med BISKOPPER PROVSTER PRÆSTER:
"vi blander os ikke i politik!"
Kristen - ‼️‼️‼demokraterne har ikke forbundethed og understøttelse OG
RELEVANS I DANMARK MERE
Vælgere i Kolding SIGER, hører vi fx via dybt respektable William Bak
og hans hustru Anni: "de er bange for at spilde deres stemme!"
MÅ DU SOM REGIONSRÅD NEDGØRE PSYKISK LIDELSE. Jeg afslører min
uvidenhed, altså SYGEHUSE hører de ikke under REGIONERNE? Førhen var
de i hvert fald amtspolitik!!!
GAVNER DINE ORD TIL OS DANMARK OG DIT POLITISKE PARTI DER JO STÅR FOR
DANMARK OG IKKE KUN FOR SÅKALDT "KIRKEKAMP"
ET JONAS UDTRYK BLANDT ANDRE!
DE OG HELLER IKKE MED DIG DER HAR VÆRET OPSTILLET TIL REGIONSRÅDET FOR
KRISTENDEMOKRATERNE.
12-03-2015 - Ytringsfriheden >>>>>>>>>> Freedom of Speech
https://sites.google.com/site/ytrings/2015/marts/12-03-2015
Med venlig hilsen Daniela Skov, Lars Skov Krøgholt
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
"Think IF OUR ELECTED POLITICIANS DID AS OUR ELECTED STATE OFFICIALS ' servants of the STATE CHURCH: ‼ ️ ️ ️ MISUNDERSTOOD THEIR TASK ‼ ‼, for BISHOPS and PASTORS and PARISH COUNCIL is ELECTED in a DEMOCRATIC MANNER. Not with obligations like the royals’s to remain silent about politics. What on earth are we going to with the elected officials, who even believe they must have no political voice and brainwashes all into the same attitude.
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ It is terrible that leaders in society with such great sphere of influence
Yes leaders in our nation's value- and culture-building church
Are not heard and taken seriously according to this PH-D student:
"Martin Vinæs Larsen, PhD student at the University of Copenhagen, where he among other things is dealing with electoral behaviour and opinion-forming, does not believe that the criticism will affect voters ' attitude towards development aid. He is referring to American research showing that it requires two things, if publicly known persons to have luck to recommend a particular political direction. On the one hand, voters must have confidence that the person, who speaks out, wants something good. Here the bishops probably have no problems. In addition, the voters must think that it is appropriate that the person is speaking, and here the bishops are falling through.
"Many would argue that it is simply interference in the election campaign. Most Danes have the idea that Danish pastors and bishops should not interfere in politics, "says Martin Vinæs L
On Monday, June 15, 2015, Daniela S < daniela.skov@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Brian Arly Jacobsen.
I was happy to read your article in “Kristeligt Dagblad” newspaper this morning.
Unfortunately, it is good if the politicians would go a sod deeper for democracy: pastors stand in practice above democracy in Denmark! It's abuse of power, and they do it because
they can!
30-05-2015 -freedom >>>>>>>>>> Freedom of Speech
"Questions to finance Minister Bjarne Corydon: who pays Jonas Serner-Pedersen's use of police resources?
Why is it so dangerous to speak out what is going on in the Protestant part of the Church in Denmark? Why does the Church proclaim, "We must protect the Church" when other religious communities (atheist, Agnostics, Flying Spaghetti Monster) do not keep their views hidden. How can it be that registered and paying church tax providers in Denmark and signed gift contributors in independent churches do not need to know what is going on in the Church, but will be actively prevented from being able to take well-informed position as citizens in Denmark to the Church, and what's going on in the Church, which is a part of our lives, yes which even wants money out of us? Which we even pay our money to.
Questions to finance Minister Bjarne Corydon: you have said on television in connection with the problem of DONG – Goldman Sachs, and where you are challenged in the trust/distrust, that you have the taxpayers, as you need to take care of in Denmark. How can the State Church, year after year, be on the Finance Bill, as well as require church tax in from many citizens in Denmark, when there is so much hidden from the general public, which has been deliberately kept hidden? Knowingly and intentionally is kept hidden; We quote: "We must protect the Church. New Christian (baptized) do not know what is going on here, because then they will not come here "– February 2012, vicar in Hjerm Jonas Serner-Pedersen, in Viborg Diocese under Bishop Henry Stubkjær, Struer Deanery under Provost Carsten Hoffmann.
Dear Martin Krasnik.
I saw a really good and thought-provoking conversation between you and the New York Times: “Freedom of expression” on my DR TV app yesterday! Today, I have seen this from Anders Stjernholm and could only declare me to 110% AGREE with it so I have written to him and sent him the satire which takes place behind the back of the vast majority of which 1. pay their church tax
2. Do not have any opportunity to take well-informed position to their membership of the State Church. It is not a dignified situation for any citizen of Denmark!
22 05 2015 | freedom of expression
30 05 2015 | freedom of expression
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/kristne-vil-undlade-stemme-paa-grund-af-deres-tro
We are stewards since creation days and for instance in money matters JESUS is concrete: Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. How can Christian faith or other faith justify and justify that we live on Earth and receive all society benefits: a good infrastructure so we move on the same roads, which are maintained by the public, and what about health insurance? It is an exploitative attitude wearing a cloak og holy language that bishops, Pastors, and apparently, ordinary too citizens choose to shirk responsibility in the name of God and religious preferences!
Imagine if all Christians believed that the Church was not responsible and accepted that they then would they governed by people who stood in opposition to the Christian . It is after all an Islamist position. It feels strange to hear a university-educated man speak out of no responsibility in relation to our society. Lars Løkke, Saxo Bank's leader and Søren Pape set the working people very high in value, they take the responsibility, they have to be respected, while sick and jobseekers will be talked down to. Why do you not give Ma. in media studies Arne Hougaard P as an example for open screen, Lars Løkke Rasmussen? To be a responsible human being does not have anything to do with level of education. People on transfer income and unskilled workers is a load for Denmark, the elderly are a burden, but is the liberal view of society right in its resultant attitudes towards people? Refugees and asylum-seekers are not people who are on the run from work, but you Lars Løkke turn them into society parasites, fleeing from the labor market. However, bishops are allowed to freewheel, they are expected not to meddle in politics.
To Claus Hjort Frederiksen from HENRIK SASS LARSEN: "Dear Claus Hjort Frederiksen. Today you have according to your own statements been confused at a higher level than what really is the Liberal Party's policy. So we are in the same boat! And now there are only three days left to the elections, but we still have not received the plan, you promised me for over two years ago. It is a matter of urgency so a little now ...!
Speaking of mentally ill it is strange that you even use a
medical condition as word of scolding!
It is distasteful and UNFAIR and I wonder what POLICY-which
ACTIONS AND PLANS HAVE THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS IN DENMARK FOR THE GREAT PART
OF THE POPULATION
WHO SUFFER FROM MENTAL DISORDERS.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS
DO NOT REACH OVER THE THRESHOLD AT ELECTIONS
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY STAND FOR ANYMORE.
They are not in harmony with the BISHOPS PASTORS: PROVSTER
"we are not interfering in politics!"
Christian-‼️‼️‼ Democrats DO NOT have a connectedness and support and
RELEVANCE IN DENMARK ANY MORE
Voter(s) in Kolding SAYS, we hear e.g. from deeply respectable William Bak
and his wife Anni, "they're afraid to lose their vote!"
MAY YOU AS RUNNING FOR REGIONAL COUNCIL DEMEAN MENTAL DISORDER? I reveal my
ignorance, do HOSPITALS not belong under regions? In the past were
it in any case, County policy!
DO YOUR WORDS BENEFIT US IN DENMARK AND YOUR POLITICAL PARTY WHICH STANDS FOR
DENMARK AND NOT ONLY FOR SO-CALLED "CHURCH STRUGGLE"
A JONAS EXPRESSION AMONG OTHERS!
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