“Dream about your ideal future, even if it’s a lie compared to today’s reality, then get to work and make that reality happen.” In this episode we are going to talk about being delusional. I share this idea from The Confident Mind by Dr. Nate Zinsser who says that when we want to do something great we have to be constructively delusional. This week we are especially talking about doing something new. I mention different things as we grow up that we work at achieving, like riding a bike, trying a new sport and applying for colleges. We may have evidence of others doing it but not ourselves. I share that now in my midlife I need to be delusional about where I what my older years to look like. And I love the main point, is that after we have the unrealistic idea or desire, we then work really hard to make that an actual reality.
Show Notes: Hi Friends! I hope you enjoyed listening to this episode. Below are all the references.
Sometimes starting something new requires us to be just a little bit delusional. We have to believe we can become or do something even when we don’t have any evidence yet that we can.
In this episode, I talk about constructive delusion—imagining a future that doesn’t match our current reality and then being willing to do the work to make it happen.
Every new thing starts without evidence. Learning to drive, trying a new skill, starting a business, or even becoming a parent requires believing we can do something we’ve never done before.
Midlife gives us a chance to imagine again. So many of the things I imagined when I was young have already happened. Now I get to ask: What do I want the next part of my life to look like?
You have to be willing to be bad at something first. Learning means practicing at the edge of our abilities, making mistakes, adjusting, and trying again.
Delusion needs to be followed by work. Imagining something different is only the beginning. Eventually we have to take the lessons, make the effort, and start creating it.
What is something you would like to do, change, or become that feels a little unrealistic right now?
Give yourself permission to be a little delusional. Imagine your ideal future—and then start doing the work that could make it real.
The Confident Mind by Dr. Nate Zinsser
Jody Moore
Atomic Habits
Episode 130 of Finding the Floor
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I am Camille Johnson and this is Finding the Floor.
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Stories and reflections mid-life motherhood, family and finding meaning in it all.
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Come to me as I share a little piece of my life and figure out what I want to be when I grow up.
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Hey friends! Welcome to Finding the Floor. This is episode 252.
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And today we are going to talk about being delusional.
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How does that sound?
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This is a little bit from, well a lot of it is from Dr. Nate Zinser's The Confident Mind.
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And this was one of the topics that GPPT came up for me and it's been really helpful this month for ideas for my podcast.
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And then they've just been kind of coming together.
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Today we are going to be talking about the delusion you need to start something new.
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Which I really like and I feel like especially this time in my life, this mid-life where I'm getting to the point where my youngest daughter is like,
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I'm going to be finishing up her junior year that I kind of have to think about a new life.
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What does my family look like? What do I want it to look like? What do I want to do with my life?
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Now that is just a looking little different and so I think it's really good to think about a good way to be delusional.
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That makes sense.
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But can you guys believe how fast March has flown by?
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I am like, what?
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When this podcast comes out, it is March 27th.
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And we're almost done with March.
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I thought February went by fast but March is flying by.
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My daughter just started her like last quarter in school and then she's going to be a senior.
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And what?
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Ah! How is this happening so fast?
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My first thought was, oh I should have you be driving because she needs to get all of her hours in.
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We're getting so close.
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And we all believe that we can drive a car because we see people drive cars, but we never personally have driven a car.
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So that's the same like when you teach your child to drive, you have to be a little bit delusional and frightened.
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Because you're teaching them to do something they've never done before.
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And it's just this like slow process that they learn and they get comfortable.
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And backing in and out.
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Because you could just do a couple laps and would take us half hour, 45 minutes.
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And she was kind of scared to get on the freeway and now she's been doing that a couple times.
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All these things she had never done before and we both had to be, if you want to call it delusional, we both had to believe something that we had no evidence that we could do.
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So I quickly wanted to just go over the definition of delusion.
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And this I got off of dictionary.com and it says it's an adjective having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.
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And they say sometimes when you're so super delusional, you have a mental illness.
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So we're not going to that degree of delusion.
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But you are trying to accomplish something and sometimes you have to have that level of envisioning to believe you can do something when you've never done it before.
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I love this example sentence that they give because I think this is the perfect example.
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It says to start their companies, founders have to be creative, restless, slightly delusional and outrageously ambitious.
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So then related words, unrealistic.
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So I love that. A related word is unrealistic.
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So when we want to accomplish something new, in reality, we have to be a bit unrealistic about it.
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Because what we know from real evidence is as of right now, we can't do a certain thing if we want to try something new.
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Is it realistic? Is it unrealistic for them to walk maybe not?
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Any new thing you try, you have to be delusional about it.
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We just imagine our life and what we can become.
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Like in high school, we've never done maybe the sports we've been doing or trying an instrument or applying to colleges.
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We've seen people go to college, maybe our family members and parents have gone to college, but we ourselves haven't ever done that.
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So Dr. Nate Zinzer from the Confident Mind, he says this about being delusional.
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When you think about it almost every change, every development and every accomplishment start out from a similar place of constructive delusion.
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Some ideas, some mental representation that you can do something in the future or be something in the future,
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despite never having done it or been it before, and despite having some evidence that you can't.
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So maybe there's some failure there like your first or couple tries, but you're still willing to try because you're slightly delusional,
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which I just think is really a cool thing to think about.
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But it's this constructive delusion, right? The necessary version, the key is after you have this idea of what you want to become, then you work towards it.
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Also from the book, The Confident Mind says, "Dream about your ideal future, even if it's a lie compared to today's reality, then get to work and make that reality happen."
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In the book, he has this example of two people. One is Lady Gaga who like said she walked around and started around because she knew she was going to be famous someday.
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Even though he knew that not everybody would do that and there was much evidence that many people who come to a car don't end up buying a car, but he was so locked into that belief.
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Even if it was a little delusional, that he ended up having the most sales every month.
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But as we get older, we tend to look back and look at the evidence of what we've done to then somehow decide what we can do in the future.
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It's like we've forgotten how to use our imagination.
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So I was thinking about the episode that I talked about this book three years ago was episode 130.
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And in that I talked about how a lot of times we as adults use our imagination to imagine like worst case scenarios and how things can go wrong.
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And that can prevent us from actually accomplishing some of the things we want to do because maybe things have gone wrong.
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Like that's part of being delusional, right?
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We have evidence that we can't do it.
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And yet we're still going to try because maybe we're going to try in a different way, right?
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As I think about my nephew, each time he made a mistake, he made an adjustment and then try it again.
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I was even thinking like I can be delusional about decluttering.
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Like I have more evidence that I can't do it over the years than I can.
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Even though I can get rid of things, but like the habit of being coming, you know, like a declutterer.
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Like you have to like not live in reality. You have to be unrealistic.
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So I think I've heard Jody Moore say, have unrealistic goals.
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Make them so big that they feel unrealistic. Like that is part of it. You're just like that willingness to believe.
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You can do something.
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So at the beginning of this section of like being delusional in the confident mind,
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what kind of this whole chapter is talking about is envisioning and seeing yourself doing things.
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But he says, but it's precisely by fooling yourself that you make real change.
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So you can begin by like envisioning what you want, right?
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He goes on to say, the science of how expertise in any field is developed tells us that deliver practice,
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working right at the edge of your current ability where you are momentarily failing is the key.
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What sustains you through all that deliberate practice is a certain level of constructive delusion coupled with the proper mental filter.
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Okay, so as we are learning something, this is what the science of like building expertise is living on that edge of your current ability where you momentarily fail.
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And then I'm just going to repeat that last sentence because he says what sustains you through all that deliberate practice is a certain level of constructive delusion coupled with the proper mental filter.
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A few months ago, my husband and I were asked to speak at a LDS women's conference in Dayton.
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And my husband was unavailable and he's like, so I guess we can't do it. And I was like, well, I mean, I'm available if they just want me, but I don't know why they would just want me.
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And so he just let them know that he wasn't available, but I was available and they were like, oh, yeah, we'll just have your wife come and speak.
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And I've never been a keynote speaker before. I've given talks before. I obviously have this podcast where I talk and talk and talk.
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But I do that in my bedroom by myself and then I edit it afterwards.
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So I have to be a little bit delusional to believe that I can do it, right? I've seen other people give keynotes.
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So again, the all these new things that we're doing.
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And I feel like in your mid life, it's like this new beginnings as your kids are growing up and life's a little bit changing.
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The future of what you like envisioned as a youth has happened.
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And then now you have to envision something else, which I think is just a really cool thing to think about.
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When I was a youth in my teenager, you think about what am I going to do when I grow up? Who am I going to marry? How many kids am I going to have?
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So some things I want to envision are I want to stay physically in shape so that I can keep my muscle strong.
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And when I was a young adult kind of coming up to this age, the goal of being physically fit was so I wanted to quote unquote look good.
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I can envision that can I keep it up right those little things I just think it's really cool. You almost have to have a re imagining as you're heading into your middle age and looking to life as you're getting older.
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Because now you know a lot. You know what it's like to raise kids and you've seen your parents get older and you now decide, all right, what do I want to look and envision my life to look like now.
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Maybe as I think also I've been thinking a lot about what do I want my life as like my family unit to look like when we're not at home.
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How do I connect with them with my kids that are married and the kids are off of college or how do I help everyone stay connected and we stay close when we have conversations and we talk about meaningful things.
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What do I want that to look like and I just think it's cool like I want to be a delusional or I see a family who's done something really well or I like things that my family's done.
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These are things that I want to do and I keep all those things in mind and I think it's really great that we think about being delusional.
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We think about being imaginative in our mid life and beyond because we might be able to start something new.
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I love the advice that I've heard Jody Moore tell a lot of her coaching clients when I've like listened to calls and stuff is that you have to be okay with being bad at something first.
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And that is something that you work on with your mental filter, right? Like it's okay to be bad.
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Like I'm kind of going to the edge of failure and I'm doing my deliberate practice and I have this idea of what I want to become even though I don't have evidence that I can do it but I'm going to keep practicing.
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So over this past year I decided I want to try taking voice over lessons.
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I thought well I've been doing my podcast maybe be cool if I like audition to like be the voice of a spa on a commercial.
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I didn't really know all the facets of what that entails.
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It's like a huge industry. I just decided okay I'm going to try and I got connected with a teacher and she's been really fun.
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And I noticed it was harder to just read copy.
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You have to have the right tone for whatever you're talking about and you have to make sure you're aware of your audience and you have to smile and gesture and all those things
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even though people aren't seeing it they can kind of feel it when you talk.
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And then I know I needed to practice more.
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So I feel like I'm getting better by definitely no I need to keep just practicing.
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And I remember feeling the same way in my kind of mid-twenties.
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I was trying to figure out something I wanted to do.
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I was expecting my second child and I wanted to do something where maybe I could stay home.
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And I had thought about catering or even just like providing desserts for different cafes or something.
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And so I decided to go to this pastry art school.
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It was just like a certificate program.
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And I remember thinking yeah that would be great. That would be so fun.
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I really enjoy cooking. I helped out my mom a lot growing up so I thought that I would be good at it.
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But when I went to class I didn't realize like there's so much.
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And I wasn't good at sometimes. And I didn't know some things.
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Actually a lot of the things. And I remember one day sitting in the car with my husband crying because I was just like oh my gosh this is like I'm not that good.
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Or I wonder more if it was like I wasn't the best one.
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And my husband just gave me the best advice that has helped me throughout my life especially as I've been trying new things is that I thought you were taking the class to learn.
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You're not supposed to be good at it yet. That's why you're taking this class.
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So be okay with learning and being bad and being curious and not being the best in your class.
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And that's okay. You can also be delusional that while you're not really good at it you can get good at it.
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But being humble enough and curious enough that you can learn and grow in the process.
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Because it's so easy to just give up.
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You have to be delusional you guys when you have a family like.
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It is the craziest thing having a child right and taking care of a child and making sure they somehow sleep through the night and have good values and listen to you and you have to discipline them and bond with them and have good activities and help them learn things and pick a school that they'll thrive in or maybe not thrive in like all these things.
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You have maybe an idea of how your family you want your family to look and you have to be a bit delusional because you have no evidence that you have done that.
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You've been in your family you've been a child but you've never been a parent.
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And all those ideas that maybe you want to take from your family or leave from your family you get to choose and you kind of have to be slightly delusional about like how you build your life.
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The same with as you create like I've been thinking about a few kind of business ideas like I have to be honest I haven't been doing a ton of substitute teaching.
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It's been really nice I feel like I don't have to hustle every day but what I want to do is to have a couple like side hustles going.
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I have a couple ideas but I haven't really done anything and so I need to be delusional but then I also need that other part where then I work really hard to then make it happen.
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So that means I have to set aside time and do the things that will get to that place.
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Even starting this podcast like I've never done a podcast before but I had heard podcasts and I had a friend who's like oh you should start a podcast.
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And so in some ways I just tried and I totally was delusional that I could do this podcast.
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And now this is my 250 second episode and I've really learned a ton and it's been such a blessing in my life.
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So there's so many ways that you think about being delusional starting a new habit right from atomic habits you know you can do certain things or breaking a habit sometimes it's hard to think about I got it I have to stop doing something.
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I think that sometimes is even harder when you have that evidence that you cannot stop doing something.
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You have to be delusional about that a goal to stop a habit that you want to stop.
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Same with starting one like there's no evidence that you can do it you have to be unrealistic.
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So here's my advice to all of you out there who wants to start something new or or at a place where maybe you're kind of filling stuck just take a minute and imagine and be delusional.
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Imagine something totally unrealistic even if it's something really small like starting a new habit or stopping a new habit or something simple like oh I'm going to be this person who totally has a clutter free house.
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I can be delusional about that but then remember that advice given by Dr. Nate Zinzer I'm going to read this quote again it says dream about your ideal.
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Even if it's a lie compared to today's reality then get to work and make that reality happen.
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It's kind of fun to think about imagining your ideal future which is different which is a lie it's not realistic.
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It's not what is currently happening but then you get to work to make that reality happen.
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Okay you guys let's all be delusional.
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I will not be putting out a new podcast for the next couple weeks because we're going to be on spring break and then I get to go pick up my daughter who's done with her two semesters at B.W.A. Idaho and I'll be driving her back.
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So have a good couple weeks hopefully many of you are on spring break or will be on spring break if it's fun or relaxing or your kids have just time to like take a breather because I know they all need it.
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Yeah I invite you all to dream big and be delusional.
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Okay have an awesome couple weeks and I'll be back in the middle of a drop.
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Thanks for listening.
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Okay bye.
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I hope you enjoyed today's episode.
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If you have any questions come by finding the floor dot com where I will have show notes and links for anything I've mentioned today.
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Special thanks to Seth Johnson for creating and performing the music.
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Come back next week and thanks for listening.
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