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Source: Channel 4 News
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Date: 07/07/2010
Event: Professor Edward Acton, UEA Vice-Chancellor, is interviewed on Channel 4 News.
People:
- Professor Edward Acton: UEA Vice-Chancellor
- Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Channel 4 News presenter
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Well, joining me now is Professor Edward Acton, Vice-Chancellor of the University of East Anglia. We saw you in that report saying that this was insufficient helpfulness. It doesn't sound like you think what happened and what Phil Jones did was terribly serious.
Professor Edward Acton: I think it is very serious. I think that the shift to an atmosphere in which scientists are proactively making their conclusions, their data available is extremely progressive and I'm very supportive of it. What I would stress, though, is the fact that the scientists' honour and integrity has been fully vindicated, means that they had nothing to hide, and the message to take away is that - even when you have nothing to hide, that's not enough, should you find enquiries... should you be impatient with them, or be...
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Has that honour been completely vindicated if they've been guilty of a failure of openness? And Phil Jones himself says he was guilty of some awful e-mails.
Professor Edward Acton: I think many people are probably guilty of awful e-mails. On the issues of integrity and honesty, yes, Sir Muir's panel found they were fully vindicated. On the issue of openness he was critical, and I think rightly so, then I think there's got to be a shift towards a much more active openness and I'm determined that UEA should lead on it.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: What do you think was the purpose of trying to hide e-mails, or delete e-mails, by Mr [sic] Jones?
Professor Edward Acton: I asked Mr Jones if - Professor Jones - if he had deleted any e-mails subject to a FOI request. He had not.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: That's a slightly different question. I mean, because there was no FOI request, he was not guilty of deleting something that was subject to a... freedom of information request... But, nonetheless, things were hidden, presumably because he thought there would be requests for them.
Professor Edward Acton: No, not to my knowledge. I do know that he has a very tidy two-monthly system of deleting e-mails, as rather a lot of people do.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: So it wasn't that he thought that "these could be problematic, I'd better get rid of them"...
Professor Edward Acton: No reason to think that..
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Did you ask him that specifically?
Professor Edward Acton: What I asked him was whether he had done anything to contravene the FOI Act.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: So you didn't ask him that.
Professor Edward Acton: I never asked anybody that, the question you are after.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Did you consider removing him from his post at all, during the course of...
Professor Edward Acton: I was very glad when he stood aside in order to enable us to have a very thorough, very close analysis, to make sure that there was nothing in these accusations of scientific dishonesty. Now that he has been completely vindicated in terms of honesty, I'm delighted he should return and direct research within CRU.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: And he didn't offer to resign?
Professor Edward Acton: No, he offered to stand aside, to allow a thorough investigation.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Where do you think your reputation is now, at the end of this?
Professor Edward Acton: Well, I think the University has been through a turbulent time, because a lot of mud has been flung at it. I think that it has been difficult during that period. But two things have happened. One is homage has been paid to the world-historic significance of the work done here, alerting the species that there is a terrible problem. And the other is that its science has been found entirely honest and reliable. So I think that combination, if you were to make a prediction, is probably ultimately beneficial.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Would you accept that overall, though, the net effect of this whole furore is that a lot of people will have doubts about climate change science, regardless of what this report says at the end of the day, and that may be the responsibility of your department.
Professor Edward Acton: I think it remains to be seen. I think if we were to tackle - to test opinion during the intervening months between November and now, I would have thought: yes. If you were to ask, now what is going to be the longer term effect, I think much less credence to random charges of dishonesty will now persist, and I think that may be very positive.
Krishnan Guru-Murthy: Professor Acton, thank you very much indeed.
Professor Edward Acton: Thank you.