Cross-examination:Smith questioning Marzen
Smith: Now, t·m not sure I understood the reasoning on this disad. 
Marzen: I hope not.
Smith: Qaddafi has nuclear weapons? That's correct? Or he'll have them very soon? 
Marzen: Yeh. 
Smith: Right? OK. And whv does the plan mak.e him more likely to wreak destruction on someone? 
Marzen·: Because he can have an invulnerable base.
Smith: Now, wait a minute. If all of his opponents are vulnerable now, then he has first strike capability. Isn't that so?
Marzen: Well, I don't think so. See, the point of the disad is not that he has a first strike capability, because I doubt that he would have enough nukes to knock out, for example, all our nukes. The disad is superpowers. He's not goi~g to take on another third world country.
Sm1th: Oh, he's going to strike the superpowers.
Marzen: He's going to start a superpower nuclear war. Correct. 
Smith: OK, now. 
Marzen: It doesn't even have to be him. The evidence just indicates-the Frank card just indicates in general there will be some people-but I think Qaddafi was a very good example. 
Smith: Could I see. whatever evidence you read which saysthat mvulnerable forces is what will make them do it? 
l\farzen: There you go. 
Smith: Thank you. OK. Now, will the plan make these forcesinvulnerable-LDC forces invulnerable to super power attack or to regional attack? 
Marzen: Well, your partner told me that the LDCs get to decide what they want. Right?. You going to stand by that? He said it; don't blame me. Now
Smith: Well, I'll stand by Mark'. but-
Marzen: The important thing is that Qaddafi could choose subs or sea basing-
S!llith: Right.
Marzen: - which. for example, I can pro,·e if I'm really pressed that we cann'cit even attack subs. I mean they're mobile, they're undetectable. 
Smith: OK. 
Marzen: To that extent he will have an invulnerable deterreiit. 
Smith: OK.
Marzen: That's what your parttter told me.
Smith: OK. Can I ask you a q'uestion? This evidence says, right now an atom ·bomb can fit into a typewriter case. 
Marzeri:' ·"that's right.
Smith: A country could smuggle atom bombs into all our major cities and arrange for them to go through a fusing device six months later. Why couldn't he use that system now? They wouldn't know the source, right? ·
Marzen: That is .probably true. 
Smith: OK. Thank you. Mark, you got that? OK. Excellent. 
Smith: Now, this evidence y~~ read on complexity increases the risk of war. Marzen: Yes.
Smith: Can I see-let's see-the ·evidence down in two-or I guess-no, two-two. and three whatever, says that, you know, it would make bombs go off. 
Marzen: Well, what do you want, the stuff that says it increases the risk? 
Smith: Just the stuff in two and three, I -guess. 
Marzen: Sure. 
Smith: I mean 1-given your interaction with the loud speaker- 
Marzen: Microphone? Nice try. Would you like to read it during cross-ex? You could always take it back to yourdesk if it's more comfortable. [Laughter] 
Smith: You may be sure that I'll choose whatever ismost comfortable. [Laughter] Now, let's see you know I'm really having terrible cross-ex this tournament, and I'm glad this is over.
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