Thorasos speaks of Challenge to Storm Keep and Parable of Two Divine Councils

[51 S-Elf Mag] [ Red Robes ] Thorasos Slevan'yas, Magus of the Conclave

Thorasos tells you 'Afternoon, priest.'

You tell Thorasos 'Hail.'

You tell Thorasos 'How may I help you?'

Thorasos tells you 'Would you like advice on how to deal with Storm Keep? I saw all your missives.'

You tell Thorasos 'I am always ready to listen to opinions.'

Thorasos tells you 'Do not bother with them. Like you, I am a man of morals and virtue. Granted, I follow Sebatis, however a balance of power will be maintained.'

Thorasos tells you 'All of them seek to preach against you in the most futile way. If you truly believe in what you say, then you would know not to argue with them.'

You tell Thorasos 'I don't seek to argue my son.'

You tell Thorasos 'I do seek to expose those of evil who are pretending to be good.'

Thorasos tells you 'I am sure you do. However, can you do so, when you constantly fire back a missive against them? No. In your actions, you are judged by the stars.'

You tell Thorasos 'Those who would call honor something worthwhile, who only would use it for their own ends, yet seek the same inpiration.'

Thorasos tells you 'Honor is just a word. The proper vernacular is Integrity.'

You tell Thorasos 'Aye, it is probably best not to include everyone. But so many of this world think of Evil as not being evil.'

You tell Thorasos 'I only seek to dispel that myth.'

Thorasos tells you 'Well, you will never expose that from them. You chase a fool's errand. Necrucifer gives them reason, and Nadrik gives you yours. Can they overturn what you say? No. can you do the same to them? no.'

Thorasos tells you 'For lack of a better term, sir, you should have given up when Lanival replied.'

You tell Thorasos 'I think we have gotton somewhere on this path though, as Evil have claimed to not be honorable. Also that they have agreed that they use what they would call morality and virtue as a means to an end.'

Thorasos tells you 'Indeed. Morality and virtue extends to evil, it is just skewed, twisted for their means. It still remains so, but in their eyes.'

You tell Thorasos 'Such things people can see. Although I agree I will not convince Evil, it is more for those undecided.'

You tell Thorasos 'I hope it is they who will see the truth in the words of good against the twists and barbs of those of evil.'

You tell Thorasos 'I have been addressed by those in Verminasia and in neutral clans who are evil, who profess to be good. And they have taken cause to reflect upon their actions and motives. Also, what their God of Evil actually stands for.'

Thorasos tells you 'Well, I am good, but not in patronage.'

You tell Thorasos 'But I continue to agree that public discourse will win no arguments, but set a stage for others who are interested to listen.'

Thorasos tells you 'We all are eager to listen.'

Thorasos tells you 'It is how you speak, is what would turn us away.'

You tell Thorasos 'I am listening my son.'

You tell Thorasos 'Do I come across as condescending?'

Thorasos tells you 'No, you come across as someone who knows Nadrik, but you lack vision.'

You tell Thorasos 'What is the vision my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'You find yourself with a god upon the moons, yes?'

You tell Thorasos 'The objective was more to challenge Algoron's perception of the Shadowknights of Necrucifer.'

You tell Thorasos 'To expose a world that they would seek to create.'

Thorasos tells you 'We all challenge them. Yet we look to you for credibility. Nadrik is upon the moon yes?'

You tell Thorasos 'He is.'

Thorasos tells you 'A god who could not keep themselves from capture can expose the very enemy of his own capture?'

You tell Thorasos 'I do not pretend to understand the motive of Nadrik, but from here I would suggest that he acted rashly.'

You tell Thorasos 'And was perhaps blinded by Devion to action.'

Thorasos tells you 'He did. And yet, from this own failure do you believe to see conversions?'

You tell Thorasos 'The objective was not conversions my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'No? how do you plan to make your peace then? Handing out cookies to the enemy? No. you are here to open their eyes to the truth yes?'

You tell Thorasos 'But for those bystanders to see the flaws in the world Storm Keep would have us love.'

Thorasos tells you 'Storm keep is permanently flawed. Necrucifer rules a family of which has to fight together in order to take a step out the door.'

You tell Thorasos 'Yes, to expose their position. It is up to those listening to make up their minds, the responsibility lies with them.'

You tell Thorasos 'And yet they have showed more unity than Good.'

You tell Thorasos 'One must not underestimate the deception they have spun upon those of Algoron.'

Thorasos tells you 'Exactly. What is their motto... oh yes, "Independence Breeds Chaos?"'

Thorasos tells you 'talking down to Storm will only ruin Gareth. Surely you know this. Your Branzol could not keep his mouth shut last night. Very knightly of him to speak in such a way. How do you plan to display their flaws if you cannot control your own soldiers?'

You tell Thorasos 'He has just attended confession with me, he knows of his error.'

You tell Thorasos 'I did not intend to speak down to them, only to expose the flaws in their ideology.'

You tell Thorasos 'If you believe this then my Parable has failed.'

You tell Thorasos 'Which is a shame, because I hoped it would project something else.'

Thorasos tells you 'Well, it was the same thing. Priest, you have been given a divine right to preach about your god, let's leave the missive writing to those who are blinded by their own arrogance.'

Thorasos tells you 'Surely Gareth is not blinded.'

You tell Thorasos 'We are all mortal my son.'

You tell Thorasos 'Those who do not wish to read may not.'

Thorasos tells you 'Indeed. And with your mortality, you are to do what is best.'

You tell Thorasos 'But it was not my intention to do this, although I did not state my intention out loud.'

Thorasos tells you 'Your words do not mean anything, it is how it was presented. Honor isn't the term, Integrity is the proper venacular.'

You tell Thorasos 'You think the Parable failed my son?'

Thorasos tells you 'What you spoke, fell upon Storm's deaf ears. Your presence, and tone of the matter, gave them reason to flaw you in your actions.'

You tell Thorasos 'I thought more would read fiction than the philosophical pursuit of truth.'

You tell Thorasos 'Please explain further my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'Storm does not need to listen to you, they only need to find a cause to undo you. Your tone, presence, and dialect within all of this suggests that you believe you know evil in all ways. You do not. I do not, only Necrucifer does.'

You tell Thorasos 'I did not write it for Storm, as I have already said, but for those who would follow them, thinking Necrucifer's Algoron to be a good one.'

Thorasos tells you 'Storm Keep responded, and with that, even though you didn't mean it for them, it was for them.'

You tell Thorasos 'Hmm, I do not claim to know evil, only in-so-far in to suggest that it is not Good.'

Thorasos tells you 'Exactly. You do not need to claim anything, your actions and presence determine what you believe.'

You tell Thorasos 'I quite agree.'

Thorasos tells you 'As I have said, Integrity is the proper venacular.'

Thorasos tells you 'Branzol broke his last night. I was very upset with that as well. My sister looked up to him.'

You tell Thorasos 'He regrets his actions, and has repented. He is serving penance.'

Thorasos tells you 'Gareth, Storm, Dungeon. Towers- no one cares if you cannot take each step with what you speak about.'

You tell Thorasos 'Actions and presence were central to the Parable.'

Thorasos tells you 'You do not need to mean anything in your words, you could speak about rainbows and candy. However, how you wrote about it, and how you directed your tone upon it is what counts.'

You tell Thorasos 'That our actions are more important to who we are, than the God we follow.'

You tell Thorasos 'I will admit it is a difficult subject to attempt.'

Thorasos tells you 'It is indeed.'

You tell Thorasos 'And of course, it would rile the enemy.'

Thorasos tells you 'I do not discredit you for trying, however, your presence must be what you believe. If you could not write honorably, and admirably, then what do we think of you? Surely you tried your best, but do you really believe that everyone sees the world as you do?'

You tell Thorasos 'But I found more worth in presenting the perspective to those who might have followed Necrucifer's world, or those of evil thinking they were good.'

You tell Thorasos 'I am certain not everyone thinks as I do my son.'

You tell Thorasos 'I only sought to expose flaws in evil ideology that perhaps some have never considered.'

You tell Thorasos 'And the response I have I am heartened that in some ways I have succeeded.'

You tell Thorasos 'I am sorry that I have been perceived in other ways, as this was not my true purpose of the piece.'

Thorasos tells you 'Your purpose, surely could have been a bit more defined. As I said, presence. You should not waltz onto writing a missive if you cannot truly write about what you believe. Want to know why Lanival is respected?'

You tell Thorasos 'But as you say it is inevitable that it will be interpreted in different ways, as everyone sees the world thusly.'

You tell Thorasos 'I cannot write about what I believe? I do not understand.'

You tell Thorasos 'I have little idea of the respect of the former Lord of Storm Keep.'

Thorasos tells you 'No. You cant. If you want to bash Necrucifer, sure, go ahead. How you did it is just another missive that people will use as kindling. Presence. You cannot send out a missive on what Gareth thinks then just run and hide.'

Thorasos tells you 'Do not take the running literal, but that is what many would believe you did. If you did not, we would never know. Your presence, was not there.'

You tell Thorasos 'I did not realise I was in hiding my son?'

Thorasos tells you 'Neither did I until I saw that missive. Look, in order to see a greater wisdom one must clear their tea cup of thoughts.'

Thorasos tells you 'Look, it's like this. Hypothetically, if I were to walk into the room, arms crossed, eyes shifty, and say that Nadrik is a joke, what would you do?'

You tell Thorasos 'I would look to what he stands for, then reason it out my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'Of course. If I continued to say he was a joke, still shifting about, arms crossed, standing near the door, what would you do?'

You tell Thorasos 'That was also a central point to show in that example, Nadrik, God of Honor is Honorable.'

You tell Thorasos 'I think I would take little notice of what you said unless you could present a reasoned argument my son.'

You tell Thorasos 'I think I presented a reasoned argument.'

Thorasos tells you 'Exactly. With that thought, let's say that I walked in different this time, shoulders square, eyes level, a stern demeanor, and the mind of an intellectual, and said that Nadrik was a joke, and I provided a reasonable point, what would you do?'

You tell Thorasos 'I looked to the nature of the evil gods and showed how actions of virtue and morality are incongruous with their purpose.'

You tell Thorasos 'If it were a reasoned point that I could not defend, I would concede it my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'let us stick with the present thought. What would you do? I mean, with a stronger presence, now I might provide a bit more insight onto what I think of Nadrik.'

You tell Thorasos 'As I have already done in Nadrik's case saying it was rash of Him to go the Black Moon.'

You tell Thorasos 'I think evil ignored any challenge I put to them.'

Thorasos tells you 'Indeed they did. If you could not walk in, and stand tall with that challenge, I would ignore you too. What was it again?'

You tell Thorasos 'That they do not know the detail of their prophecy, that they are not a lawful order, or an honorable one.'

You tell Thorasos 'The responses I gave supported that which was stated, although I agree it is tiresome to have an argument through letters.'

Thorasos tells you 'Mm. I could provide endless examples were I in their shoes. If you understood me at all in my past point, your presence determines what people believe.'

You tell Thorasos 'I am not sure I understand how I did not show presence.'

Thorasos tells you 'If everyone basically ignored your missives, then you did nothing to display such.'

Thorasos tells you 'If Gareth were to invade Shokono right now, future children would grow up to believe in Nadrik. Why? Because they have presence. It even applies to life.'

Thorasos tells you 'Surely Gareth would never do so, but you get the idea.'

Thorasos tells you 'Good. I would hate to come and find you, and utterly smash whatever made you take a moment.'

You tell Thorasos 'I'm sorry?'

Thorasos tells you 'Oh, nothing. My cousin asked me one day she said, "Why are you going off to the Conclave? Isn't Althainia good enough for you?"'

You tell Thorasos 'What a curious thing to say. We all may have the freedom to go, and bear the consequences of decision.'

Thorasos tells you 'Despite her best attempts at life, she missed the point. Life does not come without ambition, and integrity.'

You tell Thorasos 'But I'm afraid I still do not understand the lack of presence of which you speak, apart from it being a war of missives.'

You tell Thorasos 'You mean those give life meaning?'

You tell Thorasos 'I do thank you for your critique, I only wish to understand it fully my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'everything gives life meaning. That is what you must do to live. A poor man on the corner who lied and stole for his next meal goes nowhere.'

Thorasos tells you 'It's simple. The same fire, passion, and grace that you walk with as a Knight in Gareth? write with it.'

You tell Thorasos 'Aye, the simple premise is that our actions determine our nature.'

You tell Thorasos 'But should our God not conform to that nature, we ought to ask ourselves questions.'

You tell Thorasos 'How would you have written it my son, perhaps that will aid your point.'

Thorasos tells you 'Our gods need not conform to Mortal standing. They are divine.'

Thorasos tells you 'Here, I would put this key thing in: All that you preach about, has a flaw. Expose it yourself, and then no one can question it. But talk about how that flaw benefits you, and how evil's does nothing but destroy them.'

You tell Thorasos 'I think I exposed the flaw, and challenged them to defend it? I didn't think I was proud about how it benefited me?'

Thorasos tells you 'No no no no. IN all you wrote about, did you talk about Gareth's flaws?'

You tell Thorasos 'What flaw would you wish to know? The challenge was to Storm Keep?'

Thorasos tells you 'No, sir, stop thinking forward. Look in all directions.'

Thorasos tells you 'Did you not think, that Storm Keep would come back and challenge your own flaws? they did, and they won because of it. You should have spoke on Gareth's flaws, and used them to benefit your own cause.'

You tell Thorasos 'I did not see it as winning and losing, but to draw attention to it.'

You tell Thorasos 'I can't recall the flaws of Gareth they challenged.'

You tell Thorasos 'Can you remind me?'

Thorasos tells you 'They challenged your words, your actions, and your own "honor". They spoke on how you, wrote about what you do not understand, and how you could never understand in your current state.'

You tell Thorasos 'I was not seeking to understand evil my son, only to show what they are not.'

You tell Thorasos 'And to show others apart from Storm Keep.'

You tell Thorasos 'I wasn't looking for a game of brinkmanship.'

Thorasos tells you 'If you fill your responses and missives with was nots, then that is all your points will ever be. Was not.'

You tell Thorasos 'As it was they avoided the question, because their ideology is flawed. I think I could defend our own.'

You tell Thorasos ''Was nots' my son?'

Thorasos tells you 'I was not, I was not, I was not. If your life is filled with the things you did not intend, then your life is not intended. Continuity, and integrity. Proper vernacular.'

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You tell Thorasos 'Again, I thank you for your critique, although I admit I do not understand it fully. It has showed me that some have perceived secondary things to that which I wished to say.'

You tell Thorasos 'I don't understand your reference to 'I was not' I'm afraid.'

Thorasos tells you 'Well, you speak of your intentions. For example. You were not intending a game of brinkmanship. If you fill your life with the was nots, then that is all you will ever have.'

You tell Thorasos 'Hmm. I only wished to explain to you that which I was trying to achieve my son. You have interpreted it in many ways which I had not considered.'

You tell Thorasos 'I have told you of the intent of the letter, and that was to bring it into the consciousness of those who might think Necrucifer's world a good idea.'

Thorasos tells you 'What if it was a good idea? what if it was... Austinian who wanted that?'

You tell Thorasos 'An evil Algoron ruled by Necrucifer my son?'

You tell Thorasos 'I do not claim to know the divine, but I would have difficulty reasoning to that conclusion.'

Thorasos tells you 'Well, what do you believe will come of it? Death? Slavery? Endless suffering?'

You tell Thorasos 'I asked the same question of Storm Keep, they did not profess to know.'

You tell Thorasos 'But I recall stating in the missive, that it would be a world governed by the principle of Evil, of murder, disease, decay, rage.'

You tell Thorasos 'For that is what the Evil gods stand for.'

You tell Thorasos 'A world ruled by Austinian, if that were to be His intention, which I doubt, would be one of virtue, goodness and morality.'

Thorasos tells you 'Mm. I see.'

You tell Thorasos 'Do you agree my son?'

Thorasos tells you 'Do you know what I want? When I am old, and I am an elder of my people, I want to die within my forest where I face no persecution.'

You tell Thorasos 'That sounds like a reasonable request my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'I would hope so. If Austinian brings peace to this world, great. I am all for that. I do not care. If Necrucifer comes and brings murder, slavery, and suffering, I will see personally that he will not last long.'

You tell Thorasos 'I am of the same opinion my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'The Vallen will remain, no matter who comes and brings such things. Our people will make it so that no one takes our forest.'

Thorasos tells you 'It's a game of numbers... and divine right. I have none, and I want my forest to remain. I will not sit idly and watch the world fall apart however.'

You tell Thorasos 'That is what freedom is, our choice for our own destiny.'

You tell Thorasos 'Good is a wholehearted supporter of that.'

Thorasos tells you 'Indeed. Do you know, that my family comes from a long line of Arlathil? Many of which were Senators?'

You tell Thorasos 'I did not know that my son.'

Thorasos tells you 'I am here, in the towers now, because I chose not to abide by the tradition. If I become a senator, it will be of my own doing.'

Thorasos tells you 'Birthright will not entitle me to power.'

You tell Thorasos 'Such is your right to choose your path my son.'

Thorasos tells you '*laugh* My son. You know, sir, I am older then you by far. However, I find a small joke in all that.'

You tell Thorasos 'I thank you for exposing a perspective which I would not have at all considered Magus Slevan'yas.'

You tell Thorasos 'Aye, tis only the vernacular of a priest!'

Thorasos tells you '*laugh* Finally, he learns.'

Thorasos tells you 'Do take care, sir. Gareth will triumph, I have no doubt.'

You tell Thorasos 'I would hope that in the future, when times between Conclave and Gareth are better that we may meet in friendship.'

You tell Thorasos 'Good eve Magus Slevan'yas.'

Thorasos tells you 'They will be. For if not, I will not be in the towers for long. May the Stars illuminate your path.'