Question about the third bullet under Facing Reversals & Effects (6.4 & 6.4.1). The draft Flight Playaid (from Version 31 to 35) has the language:
"Rotate A/C in direction of bank for "pulling" reversal and in direction opposite of bank for "pushing" reversals."
Based on my older copy of the 3rd edition draft rules which state:
"From all other bank angles, 120° to 150° is allowed (4-5 facings). A/C rotation for the facing change is always in the direction of bank if a pull transition used, or opposite the direction of bank if push used."
I would like to confirm the following:
If a Pull transition was used then the reversal whether Mandatory or Optional is a "pulling" reversal regardless of whether the A/C at the point of reversal is in an inverted or upright bank.
If a Push transition was used then the reversal whether Mandatory or Optional is a "pushing" reversal regardless of whether the A/C at the point of reversal is in an inverted or upright bank.
If no transition was made and an Optional reversal is made with the A/C in an upright bank it is a "pulling" reversal.
If no transition is made and an Optional reversal is made with the A/C in an inverted bank it is a "pushing" reversal.
Not quite:
If a transition is used, the transition, whether pull or push defines the direction reversal type and restrictions.... not angle of bank.
If no transition is used. Then only an optional reversal can occur from a vertical ending attitude and angle of bank plus vertical direction (climb or dive) defines the transition type and this requires a little hand flying on your part to figure out. You can't define it by either starting or ending angle of bank alone.
Here are the situations for optional direction reversals.
Vertical dive from upright bank -> reverse = push to end inverted bank.
Vertical dive from inverted -> reverse = pull to end upright bank.
The opposite is true when climbing.
Vertical climb from upright bank -> reverse = pull to end inverted.
Vertical climb from inverted bank -> reverse = push to end upright.
The FATT diagram is a good reference though. Just look at it to see which way you are going around the FATT circles. If you get confused or want to argue - the optional reverse is always going to be the same type as that from a transition induced mandatory reverse resulting from a steep attitude to steep attitude transition.
Example - Steep dive inverted in one direction requires a pull to reach steep dive upright in the opposite direction.
An optional direction reversal in a vertical dive would simply be a smaller magnitude of the same reversal used to go from steep dive one way to a steep dive the other way.
Make sense?
JD
(https://groups.io/g/FW-Ref-Central/message/2282) 15/04/2013
The FATT entry specifies "RV by 1/3+".
At speed 6, 1/3+ = 2 FP.
So, can you reverse immediately after the 2nd FP or must it be before the 2nd FP?
My common understanding of the word "by" would suggest before the 2nd FP..
What say you all?
The latest v3 rules state "By means it can occur after the expenditure of any FP up to the one represented by the listed fraction inclusive" so you are good to reverse immediately after the 2nd FP, because that's the inclusive FP
Cheers
Drew
(https://fighting-wings-games.groups.io/g/main/message/17359) 03/08/2014
I know the rules allow an A/C to remain on the hex edge if he were doing a 180 reversal (from an IV bank).
Would an A/C be allowed to stay on the hex edge if he did a 150 reversal and combined it with a TIFC?
If you are banked, your reversal will take to an adjacent hex from a hexside regardless of no. of facing changes.
So everyone was wrong.
:-)
JD
(https://groups.io/g/FW-Ref-Central/message/3517) - 02/08/2019