May 22-31 2000

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Sunday 21 May 2000--Monday 22 May 2000:

Voting continues on Motion 00-12. Thus far, 9 members have voted "yes"

and 4 have voted "no". This makes a quorum, and since the last "no"

vote came outside the 48hr window, the "yes" votes have a 2/3 majority.

Scrub those pages!

Teri Pettit notes that regardless of what Joe Zsedeny meant when he

implied that a "no" vote on Motion 00-12 meant that the Board member was

iinterpreting the bylaws however it convenienced them, she sees "I see no

reason to suppose that EITHER the protest logo displayers OR those who

vote against the motion OR those who support the motion are ignoring the

Bylaws when it's convenient for them...Respect for our peers demands that

we assume we all have the integrity to follow the Bylaws according to what

we believe they say. Those who display the logos are doing it precisely as

a way of expressing their fervent support for the Bylaws. And those who

are voting to prohibit those logos are likewise doing it in support of the

Bylaws as they see them." In a side note to Tim Stowell, Teri grants him

the assumption that he honestly believes "that the Bylaws allow delinking

Projects to be consumed under the heading of "day-to-day business", even

though it is far beyond the kind of trivial non-controversial actions that

I would interpret such a phrase to ever be intended to cover. I would not

suggest that you were "ignoring" the Bylaws when it was convenient for

you, only that you have an unusual interpretation of what "day-to-day

business" is."

Teri also points out to Tim that she cannot find any mail sent to her that

discusses "whether the appropriate way to call for volunteers would be to

use a private email address vs volunteering through some more public

forum, nor any msg that mentions who reads email sent to that address, nor

anything that says what will be done with email sent to that address, nor

any messages that have been sent to that address and then forwarded to the

Board." She does not one email sent to Board-Exec on 17 May in which Tim

announced that he asked Board Secretary Ken Short to issue a call for

volunteers and requested the closing date of May 21. She notes "An

announcement of something that has already been arranged does not make the

recipients of the announcement parties in the decision." Teri also cannot

find any mail inviting her to the MSGW chat, but notes that since she

doesn't have access to IRC she does not object to not being invited. She

says she is willing to sit on the "Committee" [presumably the election

committee] but can only do so if she is allowed to be uninvolved until

after June 1, as she is extremely busy at work.

Ginger Hayes notes that she does read her mail and saw nothing about an

invitation to the MSGW chat and only knew about it because she was invited

directly. She notes "There's nothing like a smart-mouthed know-it-all.

What is that Proverb?......better to be thought a fool and be silent than

to open your mouth and prove it." She suggests that Tim owes Teri an

apology and says "If you want to ban me from this list have at it. The

only business done isn't done here anyway!"

Joe responds to Teri that his comments referred to "to those who are upset

about the delinking and now post the logos." He notes "If a black, blue,

red or whatever color ribbon were displayed on a page it would not be

cause for a motion. But defacing the USGW logo is worthy of the motion

because, to put it nicely, it results in an unofficial logo." He says "I

also know that this whole sorry mess is being milked by some for all the

venom that can be produced to satisfy selfish and mean spirited ends." He

has personally refrained from getting into "asinine arguments" on the

topic because he doesn't have time to waste changing people's minds. He

also says "I don't participate in any special project and after going thru

this will NEVER participate in a special project except my own. It was a

mistake to include them in the ByLaws and was done in my opinion for

selfish reasons. The ByLaws should be amended to delete mention or

sanction of special projects. Any CC, state project or the USGW Archives

should be able to field a special project with only the few requirements

now mentioned for the pages." [Odd thing for someone who represents a

Special Project to say.] He notes that he also did not receive an

invitation to the MSGW chat or any notice about the election committee,

but notes he is not offended and suggests "Let's just get on with the

elections."

In response to GingerH, Tim Stowell notes that the MSGW chat invite was

sent to Board-Exec and notes "Personally I don't think about members who

may/may not be subscribers to that list. The invitation was a private one

for the Board that did not need to be published here." [Actually, the B-E

message Teri referenced concerned the election committee, not the MSGW

chat, and last I checked GingerH was subbed to B-E. Methinks Timmy has

his Gingers confused.]

GingerH responds "Does that mean you've unsubbed me to Board-Exec? I just

checked it for the whole month and have no such message." She notes that

Teri also searched her mail and quotes ""Oh what tangled webs we

weave.................."

Gloria Mayfield agrees enthusiastically with Joe's comments about the

Special Projects. She says "Our concern should be with the actions of the

States and Counties. The Archives, Tombstone and Census Project should

not be our problem....Now we are talking of Kicking out and Delinking the

XXXState GenWeb Site, a site that believes that the NC and the Advisory

Board has failed and the DEATH of the USGenWeb is coming soon. Is that

Defacing or is it Mourning? WHY don't we get down to business and let the

Archives, Census Project and the Tombstone Project RUN themselves....I

don't think that any of the projects is the business of the Advisory

Board, #1 if we can't advise them, why do we make it our problem? #2

If they do not listen, why talk. I do not feel that Linda Lewis or Ron

Eason needs the Board's Approval, Assistance, or Blessings. Let us Butt

out!!!! If it doesn't concern the USGenWeb, it isn't our business. Do you

think that we need to Delink a State Site that is our Business???? Don't

think so! They ARE the USGenWeb and we ARE the USGenWeb Advisory Board.

If they have a problem , so do we."

Shari Handley forwards a message from MSGW SC Linda Mason to the Board.

Linda says in part:

"I sent the original invite to Tim. When I didn't hear from anyone. I was

afraid it had gotten lost as emails sometimes do. So I resent it and CC'd

My SC rep Shari. I was remiss in not just sending it to each Board

Member but I thought just one note to one person to forward would be

easier than if I sent it to each person. I apologize and should the need

ever arise in the future I will take the time to invite everyone

personally. I want to thank again each person who did participate in the

official chat. I came away from that chat with a new respect and

perspective towards those board members and appreciate their candor and

honesty. I know that things got a little heated after I left, which was

why I ran the Official chat as I did. ..The CC's deserve answers but our

guests don't deserve to be mistreated either...We can speak effectively at

the ballot box, and I intend to encourage that as a way to change what

they are unhappy with as opposed to attacking the individuals in a mean,

nasty way."

===

"Laws are only words words written on paper, words that change on

society's whim and are interpreted differently daily by politicians,

lawyers, judges, and policemen. Anyone who believes that all laws should

always be obeyed would have made a fine slave catcher. Anyone who believes

that all laws are applied equally, despite race, religion, or economic

status, is a fool."

---John J. Miller,

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-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Tue May 23 08:51:53 2000

Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:51:52 -0400 (EDT)

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Monday 22 May 2000-Tuesday 23 May 2000:

Teri Pettit tells the Board that Jim Powell is unable to access the email

account that is subbed to Board-L and thus is unable to vote on Motion

00-12. She also occasionally is unable to use her regular email address

and asks if the Board can determine policy for these situations. She

suggests three possible solutions: "1. Tough cookies. If you can't access

your subscribed account, you can't vote. 2. Let Tim and/or Ken accept

votes from your alternate account and forward them to BOARD-L, as long as

some prior email from you using the officially subscribed account has

mentioned the alternate address as belonging to you...3. Let Tim & Ken

accept votes from any old account, if they contain some other secret

identifying information that has been agreed upon beforehand. Forward the

votes to BOARD-L only after deleting the identifying information."

Joy Fisher tells Teri that Jim can send his vote directly to Tim or to

another Board member who can forward it; she herself has done this when

her mail system was down. Maggie Stewart Zimmerman also says she's sent

her vote directly to the NC when she couldn't use her regular mail.

Tim notes that Teri's "option 2" has been the usual way of handling these

occurrences in the past, but notes "Of course if no one lets anyone know

that they'll be gone or can not contact someone, it unfortunately falls

into option 1."

Gloria Mayfield says she received nothing in her mail about the MSGW chat

or the formation of the election committee. [Its beginning to look like

Tim didn't invite _anyone_ to that chat.]

Tim posts a list of 27 people who have volunteered for the election

committee [an excellent turnout, btw. I won't reprint the list here, but

if you'd like a copy, let me know. Yes, my name is on it.]

Tim appoints Roger Swafford to be the Chair of the Election Committee [an

_excellent_ choice; I've worked with Roger before and he is more than

competent to run the EC.]

Tim recommends that the Board create the Election Committee with the

following structure" "Chair - 2 AB members - 1 SC/ASC member - 5 CCs - 4

alternate CCs to fill any position that opens. This would make it a

committee of 8 plus the chair. This way the committee would be 2/3 CCs,

1/3 AB and SC/ASC." He notes this would be a "bottom up approach." [Hey,

he would know.]

===

An Embarrasment of Riches Corner: Wow! _27_ volunteers for the Election

Committee! This is, by the standards of previous election committees and

the USGW, an amazing response, and all who volunteered are to be

commended.

Of course, nothing in USGW can be without its problems. A few project

members who claim to have submitted offers to volunteer within the alotted

time frame but whose names do not appear on the list have surfaced. There

is also some little disgruntlement by some Board and project members

regarding Tim's idea of "bottoms up" management. They wonder why

"bottom's up" management includes: 1) Tim selecting the EC Chair [the

Board's always voted on it before]; 2) Tim proposing the structure of the

committee [never been any particular structure before]; and 3) Tim

limiting the size of the committee to some arbitrary number [if 27 people

want to serve, why shouldn't they?]. Given the history of this project,

any elimination of anyone will be met with scepticism as to motives, and

may serve to discourage people who wish to serve the project. There is

certainly enough work to go around. No mention is made as to how the

winnowing of 27 volunteers down to eight will be accomplished, nor of how

the two Board members will be selected, or even whether Tim will be one of

the two. [According to the bylaws he is supposed to be an ex officio

member of all committees and as we recall, last year he behaved very badly

about it.]

We are sure that all will be resolved to someone's satisfaction. In the

meantime, Pam Reid has put up a very nice election page here:

http://www.usgenweb.com/elections/election-central.html Nominations will

be accepted starting June 1 and running through June 15. Prior to that

time, a Nominations Committee must be up and running [there's something

for some of those 27 people to do <g>] to accept nominations and certify

candidates. There are positions open in every region, and all three

Special Project representative positions and the National

Coordinatorship are open as well. Please consider running for National

office; don't let "them" have all the fun!

===

"They can't censor the gleam in my eye."

---Charles Laughton

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-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Wed May 24 14:53:24 2000

Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:53:22 -0400 (EDT)

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Tuesday 23 May 2000

Teri Pettit proposes that "the Election Committee is comprised of

everyone who volunteered, and then disqualify anyone on the Election

Committee from running for any position in the upcoming election. So if

anyone who volunteered is thinking of running for NC or the Board, they

should remove themselves from the list. And then let them pick their own

chair, with Roger to be the acting chair until they can do so." She notes

that 27 would be a large committee but not impossible and it is hard to

think of an object way of reducing the number. She's open to suggestions

on now "to construct a smaller committee without allowing anyone's

personal biases or any political factors to enter into the selection

process," but is unable to think of one herself."

Holy Fee Timm thinks there should be at least a couple of Board members on

the committee.

Ginger Hayes thinks Teri's idea is not bad and notes that there is also a

Nominations Committee to think of, unless "the thing will be handled

differently this time."

Tim forwards a message to the Board from Roger Swafford in which he notes

that his appointment as Chair of the Elecions Committee came as a surprise

to him and "Provided the AB does not exercise their authority to overturn,

I accept." He says "I urge the AB to act post-haste in selecting the

remaining members. The recommendation of the NC for 9 members total is

large enough for the task and small enough to be efficient in operation.

It is refreshing to see the large number of volunteers willing to

participate."

Tim publishes a second list of corrections to the volunteer list he

published previously.

Tim notes that he had previously asked several Board members to serve on

the committee; Barbara Dore and Ginger declined and Teri Pettit is not

available until after June 1. That said he proposes his suggestions for

the Election Committee members:

"For the AB members: Tina Vickery, Shari Handley

For the SC/ASC member: Marti Graham - SC OK

For the 5 CCs and 4 alternates:

NW region - Jerimiah Moerke (MN - SD)

SW region - Shirley Scott (MO), Carolyn Ward (KS)- alternate

NE region - Alice J. Gayley (PA), Kristen Howell (NY), Carol Montrose

(OH)- alternate

SE region - Vicki Shaffer (TN), Gerald Westmoreland (MS)- alternate, Diane

Montgomery Parsons (KY) - alternate"

Tim's selection process was thus: "In reviewing the names from the

previous list, trying to be fair between the knowns and unknowns, those

some may like, those that some may dislike,..." [Its apparently also based

on the number of people that volunteered from each region.]

[Interestingly enough, one of Tim's picks noted _two days ago_ that she

had been picked to be on the EC; our Smooth Operator has been busy working

from the bottom up again.]

Ginger Cisewski reminds the board that both Shari and Tina [Tim's picks

for the Board reps on the EC] are currently the subject of grievances

submitted by project members and suggests that "Having either of them

serve on the Election Committee will further the growing belief that this

Election will somehow be manipulated by the Board." She also notes that

there needs to be only one Board member on the EC to act as a liaison, and

recommends Teri or Gloria, saying "Neither is included in the group

mentioned in the outstanding grievances, and since the elections are over

well before our terms expire, being an outgoing Board member shouldn't be

an issue." She also does not understand why the NC or Board needs to

"micromanage" the committee; in the past the EC Chair chose the committee

members. She moves "that we appoint Roger Swafford Chairperson of the

Election Committee, and further that we provide him with the list of

volunteers and let him choose his own committee members as has been done

in the past."

===

That Girl Corner: Yesterday, the acting SC for the NCGenWeb published a

message to the SC's mailing list in which he asked whether the following

conditions would disqualify someone from running for SC:

"1. Little or no experience in the State Project from which the candidate

seeks nomination.

2. Worked within another XXGW organization outside of the State Project

from which the candidate seeks nomination.

3. Worked in various and sundry special USGW Projects but not in County

level.

4. A genealogical and organizational background but has never been in a

USGW state project."

He also asked for any examples of SCs who met any of the above. We

thought he was trying to disqualify someone from running, but we were

wrong. It turns out that there is only one credible candidate for that

race, Diane Mason, who is a vocal advocate of county-centric organization

and a dedicated opponent of the Archives. Derick [who is acting SC while

Elizabeth is out of town] can't get anyone to run against her and wants to

bring in a ringer, someone who is not involved in NCGenWeb or, if

necessary, someonewho is not even involved in USGW.

Big Announcements Corner: Ron Eason, National Coordinator of the USGenWeb

Census Project has announced that the CP has incorporated as a non-profit

public benefit corporation in the state of Michigan. Documents showing

the articles of the new corporation and the filing papers can be viewed at

the CP's new home page: http://www.us-census.org. The CP has also issued

a "Proclamation and Resolution" of its mission and goals; it can be read

at: http://www.us-census.org/resolution.htm

Also on the topic of the CP, PAGenWeb conducted an informal poll of its

members, asking "Do you support the action of the USGenWeb Project

National Coordinator and Advisory Board to de-link the USGenWeb Census

Project?" Only 20 of the 53 members responded, but 18 of them said they

did not support the delinking of the CP.

She's Baaack Corner: We hear that Linda Lewis, who resigned in a

huff only few short weeks ago because she could't get her way, is back as

VAGenWeb Asst State Coordinator. She's already managed to scare off one

CC, who published a moving resignation letter to every project list she

was subscribed to. The CC says, in part:

"After much prayer and soul searching, I have decided that I will no

longer maintain the [deleted] County VAGenweb page. I am telling you, the

volunteers first, because you are the ones where my loyalty is. I have

removed my own work, including backgrounds and graphics from the website,

because it seems apparent, that the county pages are being eroded and

absorbed into a larger data base (the archives) that is controlled by a

single individual... All of the archives pages are on Rootsweb, and

Rootsweb is now a for profit corporation. I have read on the

"administrative" mail lists that the individual who has control over the

archives is a paid staff member of Rootsweb... Most of the time, I have

felt like a hypocrite taking your work, because county coordinators are

not allowed freedom of speech to let volunteers know the actual

politics, so the volunteers can make INFORMED CHOICES...There are many

wonderful, dedicated people in the USGenweb project who keep "hanging in

there" but if they speak out, they are "severed" from the project....If I

am not kicked out of the project for allowing you to CHOOSE whether to

maintain control over your own work, then this letter will be sent to all

the USGenweb "administrative" mail lists that I am on, as my official

resignation and as a protest, that we are not allowed freedom of speech

nor the right to know, nor the right to choose. The entire Ohio Genweb

project was threatened with "severance" just the other day, because they

believe the public has a right to know what is happening and and the right

to make choices."

The CC says that she's removed all her own work from the page, and

gone off to work with Jeff Weaver. [Which really ought to push Linda's

buttons.]

===

"Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace."

---Dalai Lama

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-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Thu May 25 06:54:34 2000

Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:54:30 -0400 (EDT)

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Tim has asked for unanimous consent on Motion 00-13:

"I move that we appoint Roger Swafford Chairperson of the Election

Committee, and further that we provide him with the list of volunteers and

let him choose his own committee members as has been done in the past."

If no Board member objects by 7:00 am EST today, it will be declared

passed.

-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Thu May 25 08:49:44 2000

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Sorry, folks, due to completely being confused as to what day it is, I

mistakenly reported an incorrect date by which Board members must object

to Motion 00-13 [see below]. The correct time frame for response is

Friday 26 May, 0700 EST.

I do apologize for the confusion.

-Teresa

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Tim has asked for unanimous consent on Motion 00-13:

"I move that we appoint Roger Swafford Chairperson of the Election

Committee, and further that we provide him with the list of volunteers and

let him choose his own committee members as has been done in the past."

If no Board member objects by 7:00 am EST today, it will be declared

passed.

-Teresa Lindquist

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Wednesday 24 May 2000--Thursday 25 May 2000:

Jim Powell seconds GingerC's motion to "appoint Roger Swafford Chairperson

of the Election Committee, and further that we provide him with the list

of volunteers and let him choose his own committee members as has been

done in the past."

Tim Stowell gives the Motion number 00-13 and in order to save time asks

for "unanimous consent on the motion so that Roger can form the committee

and begin its work. Tim describes "unanimous consent" thus: "We can skip

discussing this for 48 hours and then voting for 48 hours. There will not

be a vote as such. If not more than 2 members object to the motion, it

will automatically pass."

Tim corrects himself on what "unanimous" means: "if the motion has no more

than 1 member objecting to the motion as of (07:00 EST, 5/26,Friday), the

motion will be considered as having been passed."

===

A Hot Time In The Old South Corner: Well, NCGenWeb is certainly a hot

place these days. Apparently, SC Elizabeth Harris is out of town until

this weekend. In her absence, her Asst. SC Derick Hartshorn is calling

himself the "Acting SC", has "assumed the SC chair", and is apparently

trying to force certain events to occur before she returns. According to

sources on the ground, he is trying to 1) close the nominations process

for the upcoming SC election early; 2) force the bylaws committee to issue

a report early; 3) eliminate candidates from the SC race based on dubious

qualifications; 4) bring in a ringer from outside NCGW to run for NCGW SC;

and 5) eliminate opposition by threatening to unsub anyone who broaches

any topic he deems unsuitable on the state mailing list [and apparently

discussing _any_ national business, including the upcoming national

election, is forbidden]. One NCGW member has already been unsubbed from

the mailing list apparently for comments made on another list and we hear

that a grievance has been filed with the Board concerning this and his

other recent actions. According to the complaint, Derick has arbitrarily

unsubbed the CC while allowing other members of NCGW to continue to attack

her publicly and continue political discussion that he has previously

indicated would result in removal from the list. The grievant also notes

that relevant list rules currently under consideration but not ratified

would allow only for a set period of "time-out", but this consideration

was not followed in this case of unsubbing.

In an announcement to the NCGW, Derick says "was taken administratively

and came after repeated requests and warnings relating to messages deemed

offensive, divisive, abusive and, in my opinion, detrimental to the

overall harmony and well-being of the list and the NCGenWeb Project...

This action has not been taken lightly and comes, not just after

communications of the past week but after many, many months of abusive

behavior by [name deleted].. The question of whether this action is

appropriate and merited has been sustained by the National Coordinator

as well as the SE Advisory Board in their personal communications to me.

It will stand in place until the State Coordinator either upholds my

actions or rescinds them." He also notes that ""While a pending list

policy has been announced and posted on the web, its lack of adoption does

not preclude further disciplinary action being taken to those that abuse

the list or those that post to it...disruptive behavior and actions deemed

to be detrimental to the NCGW and its volunteers will not be tolerated

and perpretators will not be permitted to continue further agitation."

[The Board now has anywhere from 5-9 grievances on its plate; we here

another one involving possible irregularites in an election held

previously in the NCGW has also been forwarded. I am not aware that any

of these grievances have been addressed or responded to by any person on

the Board, including the so-called Ombudsman, Kevin Fraley.]

===

"In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ

of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness

insensibly open, cultivate and improve."

---Thomas Jefferson

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

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Thursday 25 May 2000:

Joy Fisher notes ""... because we've always done it that way." is the

lamest reason for doing something," but notes she has no objections to

allowing Roger Swafford to select members for the Election Committee with

whom he is comfortable.

[Since no one publicly raised any objections to Motion 00-13 and the 0700

EST response deadline has passed, it looks like Roger Swafford is our new

EC chair. Congrats to Roger!]

===

Oops, What I Meant To Say Was... Corner: King For a Day Derick Hartshorn

has retracted his assertion that his action in unsubbing a NCGW CC "has

been sustained by the National Coordinator as well as the SE Advisory

Board in their personal communications to me." As it turns out, one of

the SE representatives supports his actions, and two do not. One of these

two made the point that Derick's own posts on the topic violate his list

rules. Our Esteemed National Coordinator also supports Derick's actions

[natch, Derick is practically a chip off the old block.]

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"We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a

false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still."

---John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Sat May 27 07:56:56 2000

Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:56:22 -0400 (EDT)

From: merope <merope@Radix.Net>

To: merope@radix.net

Subject: Daily Board Show

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[Sorry, yesterday's DBS was again delayed by ListBot. For those of you

who are wondering why you are getting these twice, I am both sending it

individually to your inbox and also to ListBot so it will go into the

online archive. When ListBot catches up, you'll get this a second time. I

apologize for any inconvenience.]

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