Jun 21-30 1999

From merope@Radix.Net Mon Jun 21 21:08:39 1999

Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:08:38 -0400 (EDT)

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Saturday 19 June 1999:

Freshman Board member David Young [who appears to be the only person in

teh entire USGW project who is actively trying to work with both Census I

and Census II in his state] posts a message about the Census projects to

the Board. He notices that "there is still talk, talk and still more

talk about who should control the Census Project", and points out that

there are supportable reasons for either type of directory structure,

using his own state as an example. He does say, though, that his state's

"biggest problem with the two groups has been trying be understanding

while the census project spend too much time writing letters and not

enough attention to updating there Table of Contents pages...It is not

enough just to tell people that someone is thinking of doing some work.

You need to do the full job. People want to see the information. Some

of the information that was not linked to had been on line for 6 to 12

months!" It is his belief that the SCs and CCs should look on the file

managers of either project as being there to serve the local projects, and

notes that if they are not doing a good job in your state its not

necessary to ask the Board to deal with it. Instead, he says, "Talk to

them, they will listen. Offer help! Tell them you are a customer.

Offer to work with them and maybe we will all see a little light at the

end of this tunnel. I hope we will all understand each other a little

better."

Election Update: As of this date, the USGW Project apparently _still_ has

no election committee chair. We are given to understand that a motion is

preceeding on Board-L to appoint Jim Powell as Chair, but its entirely

likely he'll be appointed to late too actually be able to accomplish

anything. The election starts in one and half weeks.

Service With A Smile Corner: Last night, at long last, I was finally

unsubbed from the USGENWEB-ALL-L list. When I was banned I was unsubbed

from all other lists, but not that one. Of course, I could not unsub

myself because mail from me is discarded or rejected. For those of you

who are wondering how this came to be, all I can say is 'talk to Joan

Young'; I was unsubbed in something less than one hour after I happened to

drop the fact that I was still subbbed to the list in conversation with

her. Now _that's_ customer service! If only the rest of RW was so

responsive to the questions and concerns of its customers. Now, if only I

get can unsubbed from the Rootsweb Review mailing list...

Back In Black Corner: We predict that heads will fall shortly on the

USGW-ALL list [other than mine]. Word in the trenches is that former

listowner and queen, Linda "Free Speech" Lewis has regained the throne,

and she is not amused.

[this just in: The coup was succesful, and the purge has begun. "Sentence

first, verdict afterward!"]

"A cock has great influence on his own dunghill."

---Publilius Syrus

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Tue Jun 22 21:42:39 1999

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:42:38 -0400 (EDT)

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Sunday 20 June 1999:

A Board member points out a bad link on the national page, and the

webmaster says she'll fix it.

[yes, with an election starting in 8 days and an election committee

consisting of one person and no chair, this is how they spend their time.]

Election Update: There isn't one. But to fill in the interim, the DBS

staff highly recommends the movie "Election". Go see it before it

disappears!

Over on the State Coordintor list, Jim Powell, not-yet-Election-Chair, has

apparently decided not to wait for the Board to get around to doing

something about the Committee Chairmanship and has successfully roused the

troops. State mailing lists are pouring in, and it looks like all states

will meet the June 24 deadline.

Head Count Corner: There have been at least three people brutally unsubbed

from the -ALL list, all apparently without warning, since Linda "The

Terminator" Lewis reinstituted her rulership over the list. We're sure

there's more to come, as she's publicly threatened at least one of the new

contributors to the new liveliness on the -ALL list.

[Somewhere there is irony in the fact that Linda, who is no longer a CC

herself, is running the CC's list as her personal fiefdom, and determining

what are and what are not proper topics for the CCs to discuss.]

"You couldn't have it if you did want it," the Queen said. "The rule is,

jam to-morrow and jam yesterday -- but never jam to-day."

---Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Wed Jun 23 19:53:37 1999

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:53:36 -0400 (EDT)

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Monday 21 June 1999:

A motion is made to appoint Jim Powell as Chair of the Election Committee.

It is seconded and given number 99-18. The NC asks that since the motion

is urgent they skip discussion and go right to voting. By the end of the

day three members had voted "aye".

One Board member notes that he will be on vacation for a couple of weeks

and may not be able to vote on the current motion.

Tomorrow's News Today: Motion 99-17 [Trey Holt's resignation] is declared

passed; an additional 7 "aye" votes are passed for Motion 99-18 [making

this one passed as well].

Election update: Jim Powell will apparently be the new Election Committee

Chair. Our congrats to Jim and our sincere wishes he has enough time to

pull a succesful election together! He's already managed to get the State

Coordinators organized as a functioning "unofficial" Election Committee

and state mailing lists are pouring in.

Joy Fisher has joined the list of candidates. She'll be running for NW/P

SC rep.

This Just In: Apparently there's been some sort of snag in Jim Powell's

appointment to the Election Committee Chair. Seems someone woke up from

their nap and raised a point of order. More news on this after the Board

finishes arguing about it.

New at GenConnect: The GenConnect Change Form is finally back up

[http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/signup/change.html] and there are some

intersting changes. For instance the "make board read only" option has

been removed and you are now required to ask a SysAdmin if you want a

board to be read-only. There is also an option to "add a banner" to the

boards. But guess what? If you click that button to add a banner, and

the changes are made, the option disappears from the configuration options

and there is no way to undo that decision. So be sure you know for sure

you want to do it before you click that button.

Cluster Pages Explained: "When RootsWeb did the County Resources, we did

it because we thought parts of USGW were making a serious mistake by not

adopting mailing lists and the other cluster resources and that ultimately

USGW was damaging itself by not having us create those resources." [Brian

Leverich to the State Coordinators, 19 June 1999; he goes on in this post

to explain how Rootsweb.com, Inc. has "saved USGW's bacon."]

[Although it is comforting for us to know that RW knows what's best for us

and is going to make _sure_ we know it too, whatever happened to the good

old days of RW "wanting to avoid even the appearance of interference in

USGW business"?]

Resistance Is Futile Corner: Over on other lists where the confused and

appalled are asking questions and expressing concerns over the new

Acceptable Use Policy, Brian "Don't Bother Me, I'm Busy" Leverich explains

yet again that none of the established "help" lists are appropriate places

to discuss such "administrivia" and that staff will not engage in policy

discussion on the lists, because they're just too darn busy. Instead he

suggests that his customers take their questions to the "alternate"

listowners' list, a place he publicly calls "peculiar" and which members

of his staff and "team" call a home for "dissidents and saboteurs".

Tim "Pretender to the Throne" Pierce tells the listowners that RW is

pursuing a way to notify every single new list subscriber of RW's new AUP.

He also tells them that if you happen to start a new list somewhere and

subscribe all your listmembers to it, RW will "assume" you don't want your

RW list anymore and will take it away. Joan "Borg" Young also tries to

explain to some poor soul that its not unrealistic to assume that all

list subscribers will realize that their messages will be distributed and

archived; she says "it is only common sense to expect when you send a

message for wide distribution on a list that it will be distributed and

archived." [distributing, maybe, but _archiving_? Please. Why is it any

more realistic to assume your property will be archived as it is to assume

it won't? Its dangerous to make assumptions like this, but I guess it

serves the party line.]

Rebel Yell Corner: We hear through the trusty grapevine that a whole

bunch of people on a whole bunch of lists are going to test the old "your

posts are your property" hypothesis by demanding en masse that RW, Inc.

remove ALL their posts from ALL lists. We wish them luck and think this

will be an intersting experiment indeed.

"Beware of self-sacrificing people, they are the first to sacrifice

others."

---Bertrand Russel

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Thu Jun 24 21:06:13 1999

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:06:12 -0400 (EDT)

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Tuesday 22 June 1999:

Voting on Motion 99-18 proceeds with ten more Board members voting

"aye". [the total is now 13]

The NC asks for a motion to accept Ginger Cisewski's resignation

as Election Committee Chair, although he notes this would just be

"paperwork after the fact." He also wonders that if a resignation isn't

accepted does that mean the resignee can come back [yes, it does, and it

has happened previously.] A Board member says he'll make a motion if one

is needed. [this is the point of order mentioned yesterday]

Motion 99-17 is declared passed 13-aye 2 - not voting.

Tomorrow's News Today: The Board starts to discuss who gets to vote and

who doesn't; Motion 99-18 is declared passed.

Stealth Motion: Motion 16E, "Clarification of Election Regions &

Nomination Procedures", which surfaced briefly on Board-L and then

disappeared, never to be mentioned again, has shown up on the list of

Board votes for 1999 on the nation webpage. According to that page,

Motion 16E "failed to pass. It was decided that a motion was unnecessary

as the above procedure has been used historically." [So does this mean

the election rules enumerated in this motion, at least one of which is

controversial, will be in force even though the motion FAILED to pass?

How does that work?]

Election Update: Operating on the assumption that Jim Powell is the new

Election Committee Chair, we note that he has been most succesfull in

getting the SCs to send in their state lists. Today was the deadline to

get the voting lists into RW and it looks like for most states, they made

it.

Sorry, Wrong Number Corner: Note to the poor drone who's job it is to

read the DBS for Rootsweb.com, Inc.: You unsubbed the wrong address.

Thanks for playing, please try again.

We Couldn't Care Less Corner: Speaking of The Root$web Review, the latest

one is out, and guess what? There's no mention of the Acceptable Use

Policy. No explanation of its many possible meanings. No user concerns

addressed. No clarification of who and what it applies to. Nada.

Deafening silence. Customer service has never been RW's strong point, but

this casual dismissal of member questions and concerns is low rent, even

for them. No big surprise though. RW management has been telling

everyone for days that they aren't going to bother with it.

"Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view,

is silence about truth. By simply not mentioning certain subjects ...

totalitarian propagandists have influenced opinion much more

effectively than they could have by the most eloquent denunciations. "

-- Aldous Huxley

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Sat Jun 26 10:04:11 1999

Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT)

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[we'll do two days worth of Board posts today; my staff assistant was out

of town yesterday]

Wednesday 23 June 1999:

A message from an SC is forwarded to the board concerning the number of

SC and ASC votes allowed per state. She asks: "Last election each SC or

ASC would get one vote for SC Rep and the number of SC's didn't matter.

Have the rules changed?" the board member responds, "It is my

understanding that we will follow the same rules as last years

election. The one vote per person rule." He explains that this will mean

that persons who are SCs in one state and an ASC will get one vote for SC

rep in that region. He also notes that it is his understanding that the

"ASC will have a vote, but no state will have more than two votes."

[hmmm...states with more than one ASC could be in an awkward position.]

Another message from the same SC is posted in which she points out that in

the last election all ASCs in a state got to vote regardless of how many

there are in a state. The same Board member responds to her, "So the

question is if an SC appoints 300 ASCs can they all vote in this

election?" He notes that he has asked for a ruling on this from the

board, they have discussed it, and he hopes "the rules of the elections

will be ready to be written out some everyone will know that the

are...Board needs to post how many votes each state can have."

The NC declares Motion 99-18 passed with 13 aye votes. [Congrats to Jim

Powell!]

Thu 24 June 1999:

The board member who posted a few days ago that he was going on vacation

posts to let his colleagues know that his vacation has been postponed.

[there is apparently no further action on the motion to accept Ginger's

resignation from the Election Committee.]

Election Update: There are a couple of new candidates: Leigh Compton will

be running for SE/MA SC rep, and Barbara Dore will be running for SW/SC CC

rep. Voting starts July 1. Some candidates have posted campaign urls

already. These are:

Roger Swafford [candidate for At-large rep]:

http://laf.cioe.com/~gizmo/index.html

Ginger Hayes [candidate for NE/NC SC rep]:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpope/campaign.htm

Teresa Lindquist [candidate for SW/SC rep]:

http://www.horsethieves.com/election/

Gloria Mayfield [candidate for SW/SC rep] has also published her campaign

URL but I appear to have not saved it. If someone has it, please forward

it to me so that I can include it in tomorrow's DBS. If anyone knows of

other campaign URLs that have been published, I would appareciate knowing

about those as well. Thanks!

Movin' On Up Corner: It appears that the Board member who will be going

to work for Rootsweb.com, Inc. [mentioned here a few days ago] is none

other than Bridgett Smith, who will shortly be completing her terms as

USGW Board member and TNGenWeb SC.

Movin' On Out Corner: In an eerie coincidence, the TNGW board has recently

voted in secret to move TNGW to RW, although we understand that move has

been put temporarily on hold while the board discusses concerns raised by

board members about RW's new county cluster pages and by CCs who were

finally notified of the plans to move.

Helpful Stuff Corner: For those of you who are RW listowners, there is a

new utilites page, very nicely designed and organized, at:

http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/listutil.htm

There are many useful links there even for people that aren't listowners,

although the new AUP seems nowhere to be found.

"History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark."

---Lord John Whorfin, "The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai: Across the

8th Dimension"

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Sun Jun 27 20:04:06 1999

Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:04:04 -0400 (EDT)

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Friday 25 June 1999:

There is no Board-L traffic on this date.

Tomorrows' News Today: The Board is discussing makig the "eagle logo" an

alternate official logo [this is the one many of you may have seen with an

eagle soaring across it; its also called the "millenium logo"]

You can view the eagle logo at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~neboyd/logos.html

Election Update: No word yet on who will be allowed to vote. The

discussion of states with multiple ASCs and how many votes each state

should get seems to have petered out.

There is also no further activity on the motion to accept Ginger's

resignation as chair of the Election Committee.

On Monday night 8pm CDT there will be a chat to which all interested USGW

members are invited. Instructions for joining are: using mIRC select

Random DALnet US server when connected type in /join #usgw_election that

should get you connected. [you can use any IRC client for this, just make

sure you connect to DALNET and not EFFNET.]

There is also a chat for members of the NE/NC region Wednesday night 9pm

EDT; see http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohmahoni/chat/ for instructions how

to join.

As a side note, a few weeks ago, I sent a list of five questions to the

Board pertaining to the upcoming election. I had requested an answer by

June 15, but received none. It has been privately communicated to me by

an anonymous person who has access to Board-Exec that it was decided it

was "best not to answer them".

The Good Old Days Corner: These interesting urls are making the rounds out

in CC-land. They have to do with early USGW history and are a perspective

we don't usually get around here:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4708/usgenbs.html

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4708/kygenbs.html

"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom;

and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more,

it will lose that too."

--Somerset Maugham

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Mon Jun 28 21:40:50 1999

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:40:49 -0400 (EDT)

From: merope <merope@Radix.Net>

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Some of you may find this interesting.

-Teresa

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The following report was emailed to me by a Listowner-Researcher at=20

RootsWeb who requested anonymity and gifted it to the "public domain." The=

=20

report includes his "temporary solution" regarding some of the many=20

still-unanswered questions regarding the new AUP and Policies, Procedures=

=20

and Guidelines and pre-existing Agreements, Policies, Procedures and=20

Guidelines.

ARE YOUR POSTINGS NOW OWNED BY ROOTSWEB?

A GUIDE TO THE MAILING LIST RIGHTS OF

LISTOWNERS AND POSTERS AT ROOTSWEB

BEFORE AND AFTER 16 JUN 1999

Prior to 26 May 1999, the vast majority of the thousands of Genealogical=20

Mailing Lists served by the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative (now a=

=20

for-profit organization) were administered by Individual Listowners. On 26=

=20

May 1999, however, RootsWeb announced the creation of over 3,000 new=20

Surname Mailing Lists, and on 9 Jun 1999, of over 1,000 new U.S. County=20

Mailing Lists =96 all solely owned by RootsWeb.

On 16 Jun 1999, RootsWeb published a new Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) in=20

RootsWeb Review, Vol. 2, No. 24, 16 June 1999=20

(ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/19990616.txt), which significantly=20

reduced the rights and Copyrights of Posters =96 except to those Mailing Li=

st=20

subject to Pre-Existing Agreements; i.e., all Genealogical Mailing Lists=20

created prior to 26 May 1999.

PRE-EXISTING AGREEMENTS

Prior to publication of the new AUP on 16 Jun 1999, the Individual=20

Copyright of each List Posting was that of the Poster, and the Compilation=

=20

Copyright of each List's Archives (collection of all postings) was that of=

=20

the Listowner.

IF a Listowner chose to Archive his/her List at RootsWeb, RootsWeb owned=20

the Output Copyright of Search Engine Returns (Format and Presentation),=

=20

but only while the List's Archives were Searchable by RootsWeb Search=20

Engine(s). RootsWeb had no copyright other than the license to the original=

=20

distribution.

IF a Listowner chose to Archive his List at RootsWeb, he had the choice of=

=20

either the ISearch Search Engine only, or both the ISearch Search Engine=20

and the HotDig Search Engine (with Threaded Archives).

IF a Listowner chose to Archive his List at another server, he could do so,=

=20

regardless of whether or not the List's Archives were also being Archived=

=20

at RootsWeb.

IF a Listowner chose to cease Archiving at any time, he could do so,=20

regardless of whether or not his List's Archives would be maintained on=20

another server.

IF a Listowner chose to remove his List's Archives at any time, he could=20

demand that this be done, and was free to delete his own copy and/or upload=

=20

them anywhere at any time.

IF the List Archives were searchable with engines provided by RootsWeb, the=

=20

latter held an Output (Format or Presentation) Copyright. IF, however, the=

=20

Listowner chose to not Archive List Postings, or to Archive List Postings=

=20

on another server.

Note: Each Individual List also has its own Policies, Procedures,=20

Guidelines and/or Agreements, most often found in a List's Welcome Letter.=

=20

These agreements are between the Listowner and the List Subscribers and in=

=20

many cases supercede and/or are in addition to RootsWeb Policies,=20

Procedures, Guidelines, Agreements and/or AUPS, whether Pre- or Post-16 Jun=

=20

1999.

POST-AUP (16 Jun 1999)

New Mailing Lists (those created after publication of the new AUP on 16 Jun=

=20

1999) are apparently covered by the new AUP, under which RootsWeb has (a)=

=20

the right to Permanent Distribution and Re-Distribution of all Postings;=20

and (b) possibly(?) the right to require "Listowners" to Archive Postings=

=20

at RootsWeb (and only at RootsWeb?).

Unfortunately, many Listowners and Posters have not been notified of=20

pre-existing or new policies, guidelines and rights, nor of current=20

problems and confusion regarding new List Archiving Policies and Procedures=

=2E

Furthermore, it is impossible for the Poster to know if a List is a New=20

List or an Old List unless the Listowner adds Notices to the List's Welcome=

=20

Letters, Digest Administrivia and Tag Lines.

SUGGESTED MAILING LIST NOTICES

I. OLD MAILING LISTS (created pre-16 Jun 1999):

A. Tag Lines and Digest Administrivia:

B. Welcome Letters (-L and -D)

Notice: Because this is a "pre-16 Jun 1999" Mailing List, Individual=20

Postings are owned (copyrighted) by the poster and the collection of=20

postings (List Archives) by the Listowner.

II. NEW MAILING LISTS (created post-15 Jun 1999):

A. Tag Lines and Digest Administrivia:

=20

for-profit organization, which retains Permanent Rights to Distribution and=

=20

Re-Distribution (See ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/19990616.txt).

B. Welcome Letters (-L and -D)

Important Notice: Because this Mailing List was created after 15 Jun 1999,=

=20

the RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative (a for-profit organization)=20

retains Permanent Rights to Distribution and Re-Distribution. See Also the=

=20

RootsWeb Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) dated 16 Jun 1999 regarding additional=

=20

restrictions (ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/19990616.txt).

III. ALL MAILING LISTS (regardless of date of creation):

A. Post the new AUP

B. Post a copy of this Article, in its entirety.

(Anonymous, Public Domain, 1999)

From merope@Radix.Net Mon Jun 28 22:29:04 1999

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:29:04 -0400 (EDT)

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Saturday 26 June 1999:

A motion is made to accept the eagle logo, created by Ginger [Cisewski],

as an alternative official logo for the use of the Project," and Ginger is

requested to post the URL of the logo so Board membes can take a look at

it.

The URL for the eagle logo is posted:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~neboyd/logos.html

The NC asks for a second and notes that if one is received the Board

should go into "discussion mode" and he'll call for a vote when he

returns

from his trip.

The motion is seconded twice.

Election Update: We have heard privately from a Board member that all

eligible members will be allowed to vote, including the Rootsweb Four

[although only only three of us are still members]. Presumably this

includes all ASCs, regardless of the number there are in a state.

New Flash! This Just In....Linda Lewis Declares Archives to be "Stupid".

More news as it develops!

"Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power

over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and

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Wagging the dog...its Your Daily Board Show!

*warning* contains unbridled editorial content. Read at your own risk!

Sunday 27 June 1999:

There is no Board-L traffic on this date.

28 Monday June 1999:

A Board member posts a message regarding the status of the regional

mailing list for his region. The messge is signed as well by the other

two reps from his region. They wonder what the purpose of the list is and

note that information about it is outdated and indicate that "as this list

has been around for at least a year, maybe the owner of this list is not

even on the Board now. Maybe it will be best just to change ownership or

management of the list after the election?"

Election Update: Ballots should go out tomorrow. Please vote. You'll be

glad you did!

Greased Lightening Corner: Brian "The Great Kazoo" Leverich, who has been

telling loyal customers for two weeks now that he and his staff are Just

Too Busy to answer their plaintive questions regarding Rootsweb.com,

Inc.'s new Acceptable Use Policy, responded in _twelve_ minutes to

the posting by "Anonymous" yesterday. [It appears that Mr. Anonymous hit a

nerve.] This posting carefully delineates RW users' "before and after"

rights relative to archived material posted before and after the new AUP

was announced. In his response, Mr. Leverich once again tells his loyal

customers if they don't like the AUP they can take their lists elsewhere

and thoughtfully provides instructions on how to do so. He does however,

conveniently forget to mention how unhappy listowners can have their

archives removed from RW or whether it is even still a listowner's right

to decide not to archive their list, which was the whole point of

Anonymous' post. Since Rootsweb can and has removed archived material at

the request of listowners and on its own initiative, and has stated

repeatedly that posters retain copyright to their posts, it should be a

trivial matter to have one's list archives removed. But this seems to be

a topic that RW wishes desperately to avoid. I wonder why.

Speaking of AUPs Corner: I had written a nice long paragraph about

Yahoo's new restrictive AUP, but it turns out that, "In response to a

boycott and criticism from outraged customers, Yahoo late Wednesday

abandoned rules that had given it eternal ownership of all Geocities Web

sites." [http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20518.html]

Look at that. A company that responds promptly to its customers'

concerns. What a novelty.

Clarification Corner: Linda "Logposter" Lewis has chastised the DBS for

reporting her remarks out of context at an election chat the other

evening. You may now read the full context of her remarks at:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/6-28-99.txt. We suggest doing a search

for "stupid". And maybe under "humorless" as well. <*wink*>

Au Revoir Corner: Folks, the DBS will most likely not be published again

until the middle of next week. The Board is wrapping up for the holiday

and we are taking the long-suffering staff on a road-trip to get some

really big fireworks. We'll have the laptop so we can keep an eye

on things though. You all have a fun Fourth!

"To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply

observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain."

---Louis L'Amour

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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