Jun 26-30 2000

From merope@Radix.Net Mon Jun 26 07:52:23 2000

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:51:54 -0400 (EDT)

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The fly in the ointment...its Your Daily Board Show!

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Sunday 25 June 2000:

Tim Stowell forwards the following snippet from an email he received June

21 from Charles Merrin, Vice President of RootsWeb.com: "I would like very

much to discuss the implications for USGenWeb. In short, we are still

100% committed to the USGenWeb Project. You will not see anything

change."

Tim forwards his email to Charles Merrin, which reads in part: "I've not

seen or heard anything regarding today's announcement to make me believe

anything contrary to Rootsweb's committment to the USGenWeb Project. I do

know that some of the more vocal members of our Project will see things

that are not there but I am confident that things will stay as they have

been for the known future. I'm also confident should that relationship

change we would be given ample notice of such action."

Tim provides a brief synopsis of his telephone conversation with Mr.

Merrin: "First of all he assured me that nothing concerning our Project

would change other than the possibility of new tools. The files of the

Project are safe from commercial activities. The files still fall under

the copyright protection of the US Government and under Rootsweb's AUP

policy. No advertisement will be required on any of our pages or the

individual county or state pages without our express permission. This

includes files located in the Archives. The truth of the matter is that

Rootsweb has lots of unsold advertising space....Mr Merrin said that Brian

and Megan would do as the Project wished with the domains. For the domain

that Doc owns, we'll have to contact him seperately. I believe he will

pass it along to the Project but under his conditions."

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Election News: Ken Short has published his campaign page:

http://www.staplesplus.com/election.html.

Amendment News: IAGenWeb has voted to co-sponsor the Recall Amendment and

has voted not to support the State's Rights amenement and the Archives

Amendment.

Hide And Seek Corner: This domain name issue is getting to be interesting.

Over on State-Coord-L, Our Esteemed National Coordinator is stating "They

were not part of the sale. Megan owns the .net domain, Doc owns the .com

domain. The other domain .org was bought by Brian and donated to the

Project. Thus NONE of them were part of the sale." Interestingly enough,

I also received a letter from Mr. Merrin, and in it he stated that

"Regarding the USGenWeb.org domain, we have offered to do whatever the

USGenWeb Board wants with it. I have been working with Tim Stowell to

determine the appropriate strategy. Regarding the .com and .net domains,

they are both in the hands of individuals and thus are not "owned" by

RootsWeb." So apparently, in spite of Tim's belief that "Brian gave the

domain to the Project", Roots$web, as opposed to an individual, owns the

domain and is free to negotiate with USGW regarding the usgenweb.org

domain, but not the other two, even though Tim states it wasn't sold and

in fact belongs to the project. Megan has indicated that she has also

instructed Charles Merrin to "deal with .net on my behalf with Tim and the

board in the same fashion that .org is being dealt with."

===

"Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party

only - no matter how big its membership may be - is no freedom at

all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently."

---Rosa Luxemborg

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

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From merope@Radix.Net Mon Jun 26 11:24:46 2000

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT)

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Thought you all might be interested in this:

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:15:25 -0700

From: Charles Merrin <cmerrin@flashcom.net>

To: merope <merope@Radix.Net>

Subject: RE: FW: Recent acquisition of RootsWeb.com, Inc.

Dear Teresa:

I am glad I was able to put some of your concerns to rest.

On the issue of banned individuals, we don't envision the need for any broad

changes. When appropriate, we will revisit the issue on case by case basis.

Again, thank you for your interest in RootsWeb and online genealogy.

CSM

Charles S. Merrin

Vice President, Marketing

RootsWeb.com

-----Original Message-----

From: merope [mailto:merope@Radix.Net]

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 7:40 PM

To: Charles Merrin

Subject: Re: FW: Recent acquisition of RootsWeb.com, Inc.

Dear Mr. Merrin,

Thank you so much for answering my questions. I really do appreciate it.

I think they put a lot of our concerns to rest.

I notice that you are responding to my email using an address other than

your RootsWeb address, so I presume you are aware of my status with

RootsWeb and that I can neither send email to nor receive email from

anyone with a rootsweb.com email address.

I have one further question for you. Will MyFamily.com honor the various

bans that have been placed on several USGenWeb project members by

RootsWeb's former owners?

Thanks again!

Sincerely,

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

From merope@Radix.Net Tue Jun 27 13:37:10 2000

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:37:09 -0400 (EDT)

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Deja vu all over again...its Your Daily Board Show!

*warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk!

Tuesday 27 June 2000:

There is no Board-L traffic on this date.

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Election News: There are two new campaign pages up:

Bill Oliver: http://home.att.net/~ohiobuckeye/candidate/

Teresa Lindquist: http://www.radix.net/~merope/election2000/

Amendment News: The PAGenWeb has voted to sponsor the Recall amendment.

It also voted on the States' Rights amendment and the Special Projects

amendment, but did not vote to sponsor them. Current sponsors of each

amendment are as follows:

Recall: CO, OR, OH, NE, TN, MS, IA, PA

States' Rights: TN, OR, NE

Special Projects: MD, GA, AL, VI, WI

Liquid Assets Corner: According to a message received by Project member

Debbie Axtman, Charles Merrin has assured her that "the USGenWeb.org

domain is not considered a RootsWeb asset. It is considered to be the

property of the USGenWeb Project."

Winner's Circle Corner: Cathy Hall has defeated Tim Stowell in the

election for the TNGenWeb Asst. State Coordinator. Congrats to Cathy!

===

Today's quote was lifted from a sig file:

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a

revolutionary act."

---George Orwell

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Wed Jun 28 15:48:29 2000

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:48:28 -0400 (EDT)

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Warp 10, Mr. Sulu...its Your Daily Board Show!

*warning* contains editorial content, laid on thick. Read at your own

risk!

Tuesday 27 June 2000:

Joe Zsedeny says "At Popular request from so many, let me put my money

where Don's mouth has been. Go to this

URL:http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/pointers/vtepoint.txt and decide for

youself." He says he is just an old country boy and asks someone to

"enlighten him". [The page that he posted was removed after outraged

protest and the debunking of every single "irregularity" in it.

Incidentally, this is the "evidence" that the Board and the EC are using

as the basis for the April 1 cutoff date. For more on this, see below.]

Joe responds, on Board-L, to a post from a CC likening the above

"evidence" to the Salem witch trials by suggesting she is a witch.

===

New Blood Corner: John Rigdon has announced that he has registered the

domain http://www.usgw.org and it is currently accepting applications for

web space from USGW members. A handful of counties have already moved

over there. The site is currently very basic, but has potential. Check it

out! For further information, please contact John at JohnR238@aol.com

Election News: Richard Harrison has posted his web page:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/artdept

The EC has most of the announced campaign pages listed at:

http://www.usgenweb.com/elections/candidates.html [For some reason Ginger

Cisewski's page is not listed.]

Roger Swafford has released the following explanation of the voting rules

in place for the upcoming election. Of note, the April 1 cutoff date will

stand. Also of note, localities with more than assistant or

co-coordinator will have to decide which of them gets to vote, and no

state-wide special project members will get to vote either.

"Voting within USGWP has always, to my knowledge, been one person /one

vote. Within the bylaws we find; Article II ..."foundation of the

organization shall be at the local websites (county, township, parish,

town, etc.)" This generally describes localities, therefore state level

special projects would not qualify in national elections. Article VII

Section 6 "All members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up

Volunteers and Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote." The decision of

the EC that being eligible does not constitute the right to vote. The

issue made of the cutoff date was the subject of an AB motion to declare

it contrary to the bylaws failed. The decision stands. Article XI Section

2. "Each local project shall have a Local Coordinator who is appointed

according to whatever rules/guidelines are appropriate for their state."

Note "Local Coordinator" (singular). This section makes no mntion of any

assistant or co-coordinators. The EC does not desire to completely break

with tradition, and in that other articles allow for an assistant such as

for the SC, one co-cc or acc will be allowed. More than one co-cc or acc

per CC/county is not considered appropriate, and will be disallowed. When

two or more persons are listed as co-cc's for a county, one is considered

the CC and one as co-cc. Specifically how these cases are handled is

dependent upon the SC following up with the EC. Regarding CC's having a

vote in each region in which they have a county specifically for the CC

Rep position, yes, that has been the practice and has not been the subject

of any EC review."

As might be expected, Roger's announcement has started a fresh round of

anger at the EC's disenfranchisement of whole swaths of the project's hard

working members. Here are a few comments:

"Voting within USGWP has always, to my knowledge, been one person /one

vote. Within the bylaws we find; Article II ..."foundation of the

organization shall be at the local websites (county, township, parish,

town, etc.)" This generally describes localities, therefore state level

special projects would not qualify in national elections. Article VII

Section 6 "All members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up

Volunteers and Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote." The decision of

the EC that being eligible does not constitute the right to vote. The

issue made of the cutoff date was the subject of an AB motion to declare

it contrary to the bylaws failed. The decision stands. Article XI Section

2. "Each local project shall have a Local Coordinator who is appointed

according to whatever rules/guidelines are appropriate for their state."

Note "Local Coordinator" (singular). This section makes no mntion of any

assistant or co-coordinators. The EC does not desire to completely break

with tradition, and in that other articles allow for an assistant such as

for the SC, one co-cc or acc will be allowed. More than one co-cc or acc

per CC/county is not considered appropriate, and will be disallowed. When

two or more persons are listed as co-cc's for a county, one is considered

the CC and one as co-cc. Specifically how these cases are handled is

dependent upon the SC following up with the EC. Regarding CC's having a

vote in each region in which they have a county specifically for the CC

Rep position, yes, that has been the practice and has not been the subject

of any EC review."

"Article IV, Membership, Section 2. "The USGenWeb Project is an equal

opportunity organization and will not tolerate discrimination in any form

because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, marital

status, disability, sexual orientation, etc." In TNGenWeb at least, your

decision to eliminate state-level special project coordinators

disenfranchises all our Afro-American and Native American Coordinators in

one fell swoop."

---Carole Hammett

These are not things which have occurred before. Might it not be prudent

to allow a vote of the members of the project before issuing such sweeping

edicts as not allowing for TC's to vote..not allowing cc's who host a

county to each have one vote, etc.. Since when do you as Elections Chair

have the authority to act in this arbitrary manner?..First Unfounded and

erroneous allegations of vote padding, now a total change in the voting

structure and qualifications? I move that Roger Swafford be disqualified

as Elections Chairperson due to malfeisance."

---Debbie Axtman

"BTW, I served on last year's elections committee and Jim Powell would

NEVER have done the things you have done. I'm frankly appauled and

shocked. What happened to ethics and fairness"

---Debbie Axtman

"I beg to differ. In The MSGW there are several Special Project

Volunteers, among these are A Civil War Page, Mississippi African American

Resources, Keely's Korner (Genealogy 101) and The First MSGW SC Rich

Holler who fills in as needed within the State. Are you saying that these

people who devote and volunteer their time not be allowed to vote? They

have always been allowed in the past and they have all been with the

Project LONG enough that I can say with no reservations that they are NOT

any part of any takeover attempt, real or imagined. I as SC of MSGW will

defend to the end ANY of my CC's, & Special Project Coordinators right to

vote. EVERYONE in MSGW was in before the Cutoff date of April 1, 2000 and

therefore by Board motion eligible to vote. I will check with all my

people and make sure they receive voting instructions and/or a ballot.

And I WILL contact my EC contact if they don't."

---Linda Mason

"It is appropriately left up to the state to determine what, if any,

"special" projects are necessary and helpful to that state. A local sp

coordinator who works hard to maintain a local specialized site is no less

a USGW member, no less important, and no less a part of this Project than

one who coordinates a county project...The fact that a special project is

in a particular state automatically implies that it deals with research

within a specific location, be it state, county, city, or township, etc.

Why in the would should a special projects coordinator be arbitrarily

stripped of his/her right to vote just because the special project does

not contain the name of a location?...If local special project

coordinators are not allowed to vote, the EC will have, in effect and in

one fell swoop, tossed them out of the Project."

---Ellen Pack

"Roger, has it ever occurred to you that SOME of us put RAW DATA on line

instead of just court house addresses and queries? Why not go visit some

of the pages and see for yourself why some counties have more than one

cc."

---Carol Dean

"It is my belief that the EC has the job of running the election and

trying to deal with ambiguous situations. I don't think they are doing a

good job with ambiguous situations... they should be leaning over

backwards to *include* voters rather than exclude them. I agree in theory

that we should limit the number of co-cc's so that in the future we don't

find someone adding 20 people as co-cc's. But now is not the time to come

up with that ruling. Similarly a cutoff date is not a bad idea, but it

shouldn't be announced after the fact....I would like to focus on the

special projects ruling. That one needs to be changed back now and the

way to do that is to get the board to vote on it. The board's vote is not

binding on the EC, but I suspect the EC would pay attention to such a

vote."

---George Waller

Debbie Axtman has started a poll regarding her "motion" above. You can

access the poll at http://www.egroups.com/group/usgwcc. You need to be a

member both of egroups and the list to post a vote in the poll [joining

both is a simple process]. The current poll question is: "Should Roger

Swafford be disqualified as Elections Chairperson due to malfeasance?" The

poll closes 7:00 P. M. Eastern time on 6/29/00.

Hunting Witches Corner: For those of you who missed it during its brief

life, Joe's page included information supported by little more than

snippets of emails that Sue Soden, Lynn Waterman, Stacey Orchard, Sandra

Sanchez, Bonnie McVicar Briggs, "B.J." [a new NCGW CC], Debbie Axtman, and

various unnamed CCs in TNGW adopted counties for the purpose of stuffing

ballot boxes. Within a short time of his posting the url, here's what

some USGW members had to say:

"I find it very sad that with serious issues needing desperately to be

dealt with you instead allow your insecurity to reach such proportions as

to foster this kind of paranoia. Stacey Orchard is indeed my co-CC in

Boone County, NE. She first requested a Nebraska county well over a year

ago...I recently adopted a county in Ohio, although I first asked for one

months ago.....I have considered Bill Oliver a close personal friend since

January of 1997, when I joined USGenWeb as a Nebraska volunteer. During

all this time I have never seen Bill do anything less than honorable, nor

have I seen any indication from him that he wished to do anything less

than honorable...The post you have used was a small snip among a group of

messages, and the "Lori" he was responding to is a Nebraska CC... She did

not become involved in Census transcription until fairly recently....Sue

Soden was answering a question that several had asked her, and nothing

more...I certainly didn't realize that answering questions would make

either of us part of a subversive plot, nor did I realize that the

information was forbidden to volunteers of the Census Project. In the

entire time I have been subbed to the CP-Issues list, I have listened to

the transcribers thoughts and feelings, feelings of betrayal by the

USGenWeb Project they have supported and endorsed. They were hurt, angry,

frustrated, and felt much abused by this Board and by the Project in

general. Most people say a lot of pretty outrageous things when in that

frame of mind, but as the feelings become less intense few of those things

are ever acted out, and such is the case here. If so many of the Nebraska

folks are involved in padding the voter lists, why is it that Nebraska

still has counties that are adoptable and we have added no new CCs that

are part of any of the Special Projects. If there was truly an evil plot

afoot, wouldn't we be padding Nebraska's voter rolls first?"

---Virginia Cisewski

"Elizabeth Harris just asked that NC be removed from the list. She

verified that the two replacements mentioned by Terria were genuine due to

illness of a CC. Done. My apologies, Terria and B. J. for missing this one

in my verification. But remember, no one has been accused of anything.

Only irregularies are listed."

---Joe "McCarthy" Zsedeny

"I find it ironic that you posted the misinformation about me to your

website. You, who are one of those so concerned with the forwarding

information from private places. And make no mistake, MIGenWeb's mail list

is private and not accessible unless you are a CC there....I am the Co-CC

of Shiawassee Co. and I was reinstated in May, but not on the date or by

the post, to a closed state mailing list, which you have posted...You are

well aware of the date I was officially reinstated to Shiawassee, because

it was included in a formal protest I sent to each and every board

member....No where in this, is there any evidence that I, or anyone else

for that matter, became a CC to pad the votes....I have stayed out of all

of this because I didn't want to get involved in the politicals again....I

recently wrote two complaints to the board about my right to vote since I

hardly fit the defintion sent by Roger Swafford, as the reason for my

exclusion, "as an unknowledgable newbie who didn't understand the issues

well enough to vote"...The fact that I am a Co-CC in three different

places has nothing to do with vote padding. I signed on to help a friend

in one place and I have deeply rooted ties to the two other places I

volunteered...How dare you imply that because I have volunteered, that I

am a cheat and a liar...What you know about me is that I don't share your

views on the census project, the archives and rootsweb and that I resigned

as a board member after last years election because I was made aware of

Tim's secret list that didn't include any of the board members who opposed

his view of the above stated views or any other matters facing the

board...I demand that an apology be forthcoming immediately...Next time

you want to know something about me, have the decency to ask me about

it...Don't label me a cheat again unless you have absolute stand up in

court evidence. I am getting more than a little angry about this.

---Bonnie McVicar-Briggs

"From what I've read (scant, as it may be), there is no "irregularity"

there, fanciful or otherwise. :-) You may remove OHGenWeb's webmasters,

Bill Oliver, Debbie Axtman and Lynn Waterman, from your (time-consuming)

list, as you've done with NCGenWeb's folks."

---Allen Richmond

"Barring any evidence at all, and much evidence to the contrary, I have to

feel there is/was no take-over attempt, and certainly nothing that should

prevent an entire group of innocent CCs from voting. The motion to uphold

the voting cap should be re-visited. This is not right. As for padding

an election, that can occur at any time, regardless of what cap one

decides to set in place. Four months? Six months? A Year? No problem.

This has been a red herring."

---Ellen Pack

"In regard to the Iowa CC and ACC named in the above link: Joan Ackerman

has been an IAGenWeb CC of two counties for a very long time. There is no

question of her commitment to the project. Sandra Sanchez applied to be

Linn County CC in response to a notice I placed on various lists. Sandra

posts to the USGW-CC and other lists frequently. Most often I disagree

with her viewpoint. But I have absolutely NO complaint about her

performance as Linn CC or doubt about her interest in the county. Since

signing on she has redesigned and updated the pages, posted to the

IALINN-L seeking additional information

for the county site, participated in statewide discussions and observed

the IAGenWeb rules and procedures."

---Richard Harrison

"In addition to 96 counties, TNGen has numerous special projects,

including pre-1796 (East and Middle), Cherokee by Blood, Civil War,

Letters, Land, Maps, Newspapers, People of Color, Records Repository and

Recipes...Last year TNGen had 100 volunteers. This year, we have 105. I

wish we had 200. What are you telling us, Joe Zzzzz? To stop

volunteering? I thought the goal here was doing good work, not political

control."

---Fred Smoot, via Carole Hammet

"Lynn, Lynn where have I accused? My URL only lists an eyebrow raiser. I

will be glad to publish a list of all CCs who have become co CCs since

April 1. Just be sure it is verified as my list has already taken its toll

of my limited free time."

---Joe "McCarthy" Zsedeny

"In addition to Sandra Sanchez and Joan Ackerman, another IAGenWeb CC was

mentioned on Joe's "no-conspiracy-after-all" website. Sue Soden is one of

IAGenWeb's earliest CCs, and is still with Benton Co, IAGenWeb..."

---Carole Hammett

After the numerous errors and incorrect assumptions were pointed out to

him, Joe removed the page. Not to fear though; its been archived safely,

and if you want a copy, you need only ask.

===

"Men are ruled, at this minute by the clock, by liars who refuse them

news, and by fools who cannot govern."

--G.K. Chesterton

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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From merope@Radix.Net Thu Jun 29 12:55:02 2000

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From: merope <merope@Radix.Net>

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Looks like RootsWeb will still be collecting fees for its services.

-Teresa

>Dear [name deleted]

>

>Thank you for your e-mail. As part of the MyFamily.com network of sites,

>the RootsWeb.com site will continue to function as before. There will be

>no changes as to where you send your RootsWeb payment.

>

>If there is anything else we can assist you with, please let us know.

>

>Marta

>Customer Solutions

>Ancestry.com

>e-mail: support@ancestry-inc.com

>"Connecting and Strengthening Families through the World Wide Web"

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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In your dreams!...its Your Daily Board Show!

*warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk!

Wednesday 28 June 2000--Thursday 29 June 2000:

Ginger Cisewski asks "In view of the uproar caused by the latest post from

the Election Committee Chair, is there anyone on the board who knows

whether this was a singular decision made by Roger Swafford or whether an

actual vote was taken by the Election Committee to decide these things?"

She believes there are many project volunteers who will be disenfranchised

by this latest decision by the EC and notes that they want to know how the

decision was reached and what the Board is going to do to protect their

right to vote. She asks "Can we agree to allow the voting rights to stand

as they have for every other election and to overturn this ruling from the

Election Committee?"

Holly Timm states that "this is a serious matter and I feel very strongly

that the EC has overstepped its *job*."

Jim Powell moves "that we state that the status quo that was upheld by the

recent motions, regarding the determination of eligible voters, to be the

precedent has been set in past elections, not the changes made by the

current Elections Committee." GingerC seconds the motion.

Teri Pettit agrees with Holly and Ginger and notes "This is the third

election we've had, and neither of the past two election committees made

any rulings about what categories of Project members were to be allowed to

vote." The Board's "oversight" of the election included selecting the

servr and voting system, and running the nominations and voting process,

but not deciding eligiblity requirements. She doesn't see this as the job

of the EC and notes "Just because something is related to elections

doesn't mean that making rules about it falls under "overseeing"

elections." She suggests introducing a motion to void the most recent

announcemenc, feeling this has a better chance of passing than a broader

motion that might rescind the April 1 cutoff date.

Betsy Mills moves to amend Jim's motion to read "I move that the Election

Committee be directed to follow election procedure as was followed in

previous elections -- one State Coordinator and one Asst. State

Coordinator per state/special project and any County Coordinator/Assistant

County Coordinator/Town Coordinator/Special Project File Manager be

allowed to vote."

Jim accepts Betsy's amendment and notes that he would like to address the

April 1st cutoff separately.

Tim gives Betsy's amended motion [with Jim's second] number 00-19 and

opens the floor for discussion.

Holly asks for clarification that "Special Project File Manager" refers to

state level project coordinators.

Joe Zsedeny proposes that Tim Stowell "poll the Board asking that the

discussion period be suspended for this motion so we can get on with a

vote." Joy Fisher concurs and points out that voting starts in two days.

===

Election News: The EC has announced that voter ID numbers will be mailed

starting today. The announcement reads:

"Today members will begin receiving their Voter ID's via email from the EC

members. It is very important to use the ID and address to which the ID

was sent in order for your vote to be properly tabulated. This year

ballots are online forms which are set to require an email address and a

voter ID entry before submission. When you vote you will get a

confirmation and your completed ballot will be emailed to EC team members

for tabulation. Voters may change their votes, only the latest dts

(date/time/stamp) will be used in the final result tabulation. The URL for

the Ballots will be announced when the polls open.

It appears from this message that EC members will be hand counting the

ballots. It also appears that the server these ballots will reside on

will remain a big secret until its actually time to vote. [The EC Chair

has not responded to numerous questions regarding the identity of the

server except to say it is "non-genealogical".] Why all the secrecy?

It also appears that the troops are beginning to rebel. At least two SCs

have publicly announced that they will not be removing Special Project

coordinators from their voting rolls and challenge the EC to prevent these

project members from voting. And at least one member of the Election

Committee has resigned in protest, saying " When I volunteered, I had

hoped to assist, in any way possible, with the election process. However,

in light of the creation of arbitrary (and in my opinion, improper) cut

off dates for voting eligibility for new CC's, contriversy as to the right

for special project members and assistant CC's to vote, etc. I do not

feel that I can be associated with the EC in any way."

Here's some more comments from project members:

"I will not go so far as to say malfeasance in office of Roger Swafford,

but I will say that I think the EC has greatly overstepped its bounds in

the decisions it has made as to voter eligibility, making drastic changes

from all prior elections and that these decisions should be immediately

rescinded. That IF any drastic changes are to be made to eligibility

rules, they should be made separate and apart from an election period with

input from all levels and positions within the project and well in advance

of an election, not sprung on the project within days of the election

itself."

---Holly Timm, State-Coord-L

"Ain't a whole bunch of us lucky that whoever interpreted the Local

Coordinator as being singular did not also interpret the word 'Local' as

meaning that one had to actually be local in order to maintain the right

to vote?"

---"Jim", CC-L

"I as SC of MSGW will defend to the end ANY of my CC's, & Special Project

Coordinators right to vote. EVERYONE in MSGW was in before the Cutoff

date of April 1, 2000 and therefore by Board motion eligible to vote. I

will check with all my people and make sure they receive voting

instructions and/or a ballot. And I WILL contact my EC contact if they

don't."

---Linda Mason, State-Coord-L

"What in the world is going on here?! Has the EC completely lost their

mind!?! We should be trying to *keep* our CC's and Co-CC's. What I

wouldn't *give* to HAVE two Co-CC's to back me up. Instead of changing the

*rules* by excluding certain people, they should be trying to get everyone

who might not vote *to* vote."

---Valerie Crook, State-Coord-L

"Have no fear Linda, probably by tomorrow the EC will throw up a list of

those USGW members it considers "pure" enough to vote. Then everyone can

just go see if the their name is listed among those 40 or 50 folks. And

all this in the name of preventing vote padding.....? I keep thinking of

that old expression about "the pot calling the kettle black", wonder why?"

---Ginger Hayes, State-Coord-L

"I too am dissappointed--dissappointed at the fact that the volunteerism

that got this ball in motion is beginning to run into factions that have

an agenda--or for that matter--a total lack of agenda. Seems to me that

anarchy is coming back into fashion as a means of creating the familiar

"tyranny by the minority" in raising non-issues. This is diverting

necessary attention from the charter goal we all signed on for. All this

smoke is an attempt to turn our heads away from the purpose of the USGW,

WWGW--free information for all....I guess what I am concerned about is

witnessing individuals trying to politicize what we are doing. I've heard

all the arguments, I've seen all the personalties....In my stint as Acting

NC SC, I witnessed polarization within the state. During the week I was

ASC, the majority of my time was directly related to fighting fires. Is

that what this has gotten down to?"

---Derek Hartshorn, State-Coord-L

"I have submitted the list of voters for MOGenWeb. It includes every

variety of CC, TCs for the two city-counties in Missouri, and the

coordinators of our state Special Projects. I shall not change that list,

because I believe that every person who is willing to work toward our

supposed goal of helping folks find their ancestors deserves a vote....Mr.

Swafford, my suggestion to you is that you either: 1. Decide that your

arbitrary changes to voter qualifications was an error, admit the error

and correct it before the election period starts. 2. Make a "public"

statement on this list regarding your reasons for making the changes, and

convince the apparent majority that the changes are needed. 3. As we used

to say in the Navy, "Stand by for heavy weather"."

---Larry Flesher, CC-L

"Roger, are you saying our votes will be received and counted by HAND

where each member of the EC can see who voted and the candidates they

voted for?? What ever happened to the confidentiality of the voting

"booth"?? Even in national elections we have confidentiality... As a

former elections committee member, I'm frankly appauled at this. Last

year when I served on elections (and this can be verified by former EC

members) we did not see the individual votes of voters. They were

tabulated using voter software, and we only saw a random sampling when the

election results came under public scrutiny. I formally would like to

register a protest to the above, as it is yet another irregularity in the

actions of this year's EC."

---Debbie Axtman, CC-L

"There is not even any plausible reason why eliminating whole classes of

volunteers who were always considered voting members in the past could be

considered mere mechanics of overseeing an election."

---Teri Pettit, CC-L

On The Bandwagon Corner: Long time project member Bob Maley has recently

acquired the http://usgenweb.ws domain and is now offering cheap webspace

to USGW CCs looking for a place to house their pages. Check it out at

http://usgenweb.ws or send email to Bob at bob@Maley.net.

Blood From a Stone Corner: According to "Marta" at Ancestry.com's

helpdesk, "As part of the MyFamily.com network of sites, the RootsWeb.com

site will continue to function as before. There will be no changes as to

where you send your RootsWeb payment." Sure enough, the "how to become a

sponsor" and full fee schedule are still posted on Root$web's home page,

and their credit card link still brings up a form. The more things

change, the more they stay the same.

===

"To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in

doing it."

---G.K. Chesterton

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-Teresa Lindquist

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More of the same...its Your Daily Board Show!

*warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk!

Thursday 29 June 2000--Friday 30 June 2000:

Teri Pettit crossposts her response to a thread between "Kelly" and

"Debbie" regarding the online poll that was conducted regarding the

removal of the EC Chair, Roger Swafford. Teri notes that there is an

issue of the wording of the poll and points out "When people vote "no" to

the original question, there is no way to tell whether they are voting no

because they agree with the decisions of the Election Committee, or they

are voting no because they expect that no matter who the chair is, the

Election Committee is going to be voting the same way, so it's pointless

to replace the chair." [Some posts from Debbie and Kelly responding to

Teri's posts are also forwarded, apparently by Tim Stowell.]

Teri forwards a post from Elizabeth Harris, SC of NCGenWeb, who states "If

the Board revisits the authority of the election committee and the

question of voter eligibility, I would like to go on record as supporting

what Teri has recently said on USGW-CC-L. Specifically, I think the EC

has overstepped its authority, that there should be no more than a 30-day

cut-off date to allow for processing the voter lists, and that state level

special project volunteers etc. should be eligible to vote as they have

been in the past."

Tim Stowell says "Whereas Joe's message this morning agreed to by Joy is

in effect a 'call the question' type message - please cast your vote on

Motion 00-19 by sending along your equivalent of yes, no or abstain."

[Hmmm...aren't they supposed to vote on the call first?] Thus far, 8 Board

members have voted "yes" and one [an EC member] has abstained.

Pam Reid forwards a message from a CC who says "After the announcement by

the Elections Committee Chair that the ballots would be counted manually,

I contacted VoteBot (www.vot.bot.com), a highly-reputable organization

with no ties to the Internet genealogical community. It took some

sweet-talking, but they finally agreed to set up a custom electronic

voting booth for up to 3,000 voters - for FREE - solely because we are a

nonprofit. I have been working with the manager of the site all day

setting this up, and ask that the Election Committee, Board and Membership

give this option your most serious consideration. Their procedures are

totally confidential, using password-protected email and the manager is

ready to go when we are: All that needs to be done is set up the ballots

for the regions and special projects and enter the emails for voting

privileges. This would be a truly neutral "hands-off" process with no

possible question of vote-tampering, and I urge all concerned to please

accept this solution in the spirit in which it is offered." Pam asks her

colleagues what they think of this option. She notes "It is kind of late

in the game to be changing anything the EC has set up, but it does sound

like a great system of running voting process."

Holly Timm notes that she would like an explanation of the voting process

and an indication of whether or not voting will be anonymous before she

comments. [And just where are those two Board members who sit on the

Election Committee who could presumably answer those questions. They've

been mighty quiet...]

===

Election News: EC Chair Roger Swafford has released the following

announcement:

"Voter ID's are being sent via email from the EC members. The ID is

required on the ballot form along with the email address to which it was

sent in order for votes to be tabulated correctly. For members who have

counties in more than one region the ID is good for all those races in

which the member is qualified to vote. The server which is hosting the

ballots does not have a lot of bandwidth so please be patient. The URL

will be announced when the polls open."

A few members have reported receiving their ballots already. [I got

mine!]

Amendment update: KSGenWEb has notified the Board that it will be

co-sponsoring the States' Rights Amendment.

Vote of Confidence Corner: The informal poll has closed and the results

are as follows:

Poll question: "Should Roger Swafford be disqualified as Elections

Chairperson due to malfeasance?"

Results: 40 votes: 35 votes (87.5%) aye // 5 votes (12.5%) nay

[The poll results were certified by Debbie Axtman, George Waller, and two

unnamed people.]

A new poll has been opened at http://www.egroups.com/usgwcc:

Question: Do you believe the EC has made inappropriate drastic changes to

voter qualifications that should be withdrawn?"

This poll will close on Saturday, July 1, 2000 at 7:00 p.m. Eastern

Standard Time.

Disappearing URLs Corner: An interesting development regarding USGW URLs

has played itself out over the last couple of days. Yesterday TNGW SC

Fred Smoot asked about the following URL:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngenweb/xyz.htm. If you visited that URL

yesterday, you would have gone to a page called "The Tennessee Kin Club",

which had no information about who the Tennsee Kin Club is, no webmaster,

no webhost, etc. It had little other than a page of county links. As it

turns out, someone asked for and acquired that URL from RW last October.

The TN Kin Club page was put up by a usually disgruntled TnGW CC named

Chip Brown. It has since been taken down but not before an interesting

anomaly was duly noted. Most urls of the construction

http://www.rootsweb.com/~xxgenweb go to USGW state pages that are housed

on RW. For those states that are not housed on RW, such as CA and KS,

those URLs forward to the appropriate XXGW state page. There have been

only a few known instances where this wan't the case: 1) the ohgenweb url

was given to Maggie Stewart Zimmerman and now goes to a clickable map of

OHGW counties; and 2) the cogenweb url was given to some COGW CCs who were

unhappy about the move off of RW and put up their own page of COGW county

links [COGW is now back on RW]. As of this morning, the tngenweb url

forwards to an index page, and the url above returns a "file not found".

Here's an interesting thing though. There are 12 states not on RW, by my

count. Here's a list of where those ~xxgenweb urls took you yesterday and

and where they take you today [yesterday / today]:

1. AK: empty / same

2. CA: redirect / same

3. CT: redirect / same

4. KS: redirect / now empty

5. MT: redirect / same

6. NH: redirect / same

7. NJ: redirect / same

8. OH: OH map / same

9. PA: redirect / same

10. SC: redirect / same

11. TN: file not found / empty

12. VT: index of Rutland Co, VTGW / same

So, enquiring minds want to know. Why was the redirect removed from the

~ksgenweb URL? Are they about to give it to someone else? And what kind

of name for a home page is xyz.htm anyways?

Follow The Bouncing Ball Corner: Many of you may know that Yahoo

announced a day or two ago that it had acquired eGroups, a free email

service used by many project members. Here's an interesting thing about

that. CMGI, an investment group, had a significant investment in OneList,

which was subsumed in to eGroups some time ago; thus CMGI now has an

interest in eGroups. CMGI also had a significant interest in Geocities,

which was acquired by Yahoo a while back. Under the terms of the

acquistion "Yahoo! will issue approximately 3,428,136 shares of Yahoo!

common stock in exchange for all outstanding eGroups shares, options, and

warrants." [imagine that! Publishing the terms of an acquistions

agreement.] So, CMGI now has an even greater investment in Yahoo!. CMGI

also has a significant stake [around 30%] in MyFamily.com, which recently

bought Root$web. As it turns out, the same person at CMGI, Peter Mills,

who managed the eGroups/Yahoo! deal also led the CMGI investment in

Ancestry.com/MyFamily.com. Think we might see some sort of

Yahoo!/MyFamily merge here? Or perhaps with AOL, which also owns a

significant part of MyFamily.com?

Yahoo!/EGroups press release: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/000628/ca_yahoo.html

CMGI: http://www.cmgi.com

About Peter Mills: http://www.ventures.com/team/bios/mills.html

CMGI's @Ventures: http://www.ventures.com

Who Wants My Money? Corner: Despite messages sent from Ancestry.com

yesterday indicating that Root$web customers would need to coninue sending

their payments to Root$web, the Root$web Help Desk is still tellign people

they aren't processing contributions anymore. According to Joan at the RW

Help desk: "we are no longer accepting donations. Additional details will

be available soon, but I can definitively say at this time that we will

not be accepting further donations." [and yet, that subscription page is

still up at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html]

Last But Not Least Corner: Our Lamentable Excuse for a National

Coordinator got himself kicked off the -DISCUSS list for misbehaving

[repeatedly] and is now crying to anyone who will listen that he has been

banned. [oh, the humanity.]

===

Today's quote is sent by a reader:

"All bad precedents began as justifiable means."

---Julius Caesar

This has been your Daily Board Show.

-Teresa Lindquist

merope@radix.net

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The latest from Charles Merrin, Vice President of marketing for Root$web

and soon to be its General Manager:

"Bob Tillman, unfortunately, will not be staying with RootsWeb as he is

going to pursue other opportunities. Brian Leverich and Karen Isaacson

will remain involved as consultants. The rest of the RootsWeb team will

remain largely unchanged."

The DBS wishes Bob well, and hopes he made out a like a bandit on his more

than four million shares of Root$web stock. Not bad for a year and a

half's work.

-Teresa

merope@radix.net