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U-6. WHAT DOES GOD INCARNATE TRULY MEAN?
The word “INCARNATE” simply means “in the flesh”. And thus, the Orthodox Christian term “God incarnate” means “God in the flesh”.
So then, which of the following questions is the SOUND BIBLICAL answer to the question “What does God in the flesh” TRULY MEAN in the LIGHT of the WHOLE word of Almighty God?
#1. Does the Bible itself teach that Almighty God existed ALONE in eternity past and Yahweh HIMSELF became a HUMAN BEING and yet REMAINED fully God and fully a man at the same time having two natures, one divine, and one human?
#2. Does that Bible itself teach that God the SON the second person of the Godhead Trinity God has always existed as God the Son without ever having a beginning and God the Son became a HUMAN BEING and yet REMAINED fully Almighty God and fully man at the same time having two natures, one divine, and one human?
#3. Does that Bible itself teach that the SON OF Almighty God had his beginning in eternity past and that the Son of God became a HUMAN BEING and yet REMAINED fully God and fully a man at the same time having two natures, one divine, and one human?
#4. Does that Bible itself teach that the SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being named the Word who was with God at his side in eternity past became a HUMAN BEING and yet REMAINED fully God and fully a man at the same time having two natures, one divine, and one human?
#5. Does that Bible itself teach that the SEPARATE divine eternal Spirit being named the Word was with God at his side in eternity past became a HUMAN BEING who was the SON OF God having NO divine nature?
#6. Does that Bible itself teach that the SPOKEN WORD OF PROPHECY that came forth out from the mouth of Almighty God became a HUMAN BEING who was the SON OF God having NO divine POWER of his own?
Some Christians would say what would be the difference? And their reasoning would be, does not the Bible teach that Jesus the Son of God IS FULLY ALMIGHTY God Himself in the FLESH and fully a human being at the same time being a God/man or God and man at the same time having two natures, one divine, and one human?
Before we get into what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in SIMPLICITY let us take a look at what the mainstream Orthodox denominational churches teach that the term “God incarnate” means to them. Here is a quote from a popular Trinitarian website called Got Questions that gives a widely accepted ORTHODOX Christianity definition of the term “Jesus IS God INCARNATE”. The emphasis is mine.
“Question: "What does incarnate mean? How was Jesus God incarnate?"
Answer: The Latin verb incarnare meant “to make flesh.” When we say that Jesus Christ is God “Incarnate,” we mean that the SON OF God took on a fleshly, bodily form (John 1:14). However, when this happened in the womb of Mary, Jesus’ earthly mother, He did NOT STOP being DEITY. Although Jesus became fully human (Hebrews 2:17), He RETAINED His status as God (John 1:1, 14). How Jesus is able to be both man and God simultaneously is one of the great MYSTERIES of Christianity but is nevertheless a test of orthodoxy (1 John 4:2; 2 John 1:7). Jesus has TWO distinct natures, divine and human. “Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11).
The Bible clearly teaches the deity of Christ BY presenting His fulfillment of numerous Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 7:14; Psalm 2:7), His eternal existence (John 1:1–3; John 8:58), His miraculous virgin birth (Luke 1:26–31), His miracles (Matthew 9:24–25), His authority to forgive sin (Matthew 9:6), His acceptance of worship (Matthew 14:33), His ability to predict the future (Matthew 24:1–2), and His resurrection from the dead (Luke 24:36–39). The writer of Hebrews tells us Jesus is superior to angels (Hebrews 1:4–5) and angels are to worship Him (Hebrews 1:6).
The Bible also teaches the Incarnation—JESUS became fully human by taking on human flesh. Jesus was conceived in the womb and was born (Luke 2:7), He experienced normal aging (Luke 2:40), He had natural physical needs (John 19:28) and human emotions (Matthew 26:38), He learned (Luke 2:52), He died a physical death (Luke 23:46), and He was resurrected with a physical body (Luke 24:39). Jesus was HUMAN in every way EXCEPT for SIN; He lived a completely sinless life (Hebrews 4:15).
When Christ took on the form of a human, His nature did NOT CHANGE, but His position did. Jesus, in His original nature of God in spirit form, humbled Himself by laying aside His glory and privileges (Philippians 2:6–8). God can NEVER STOP being God because He is immutable (Hebrews 13:8) and infinite (Revelation 1:8). If JESUS stopped being fully God for even a split second, all life would die (see Acts 17:28). The doctrine of the Incarnation says that Jesus, while REMAINING FULLY God, became fully man.”
The above widely accepted orthodox view teaches that God the SON became flesh and NOT God the Father became flesh. In other words, the doctrine of the Trinity of the mainstream orthodox Christian viewpoint teaches that the SON OF God, the second person of the Trinity became flesh but yet remained the fully divine eternal Almighty God at the same time. And thus, they teach that Jesus had TWO natures at the same time, one divine, and one human during the days of his flesh.
Also, as for the many different denominations of the church that teach this doctrine of the INCARNATION to consider it to be an ESSENTIAL doctrine of faith that MUST be believed in order to be saved. And therefore, to THEM, it is NOT up for debate. In other words, to some Christians, if you do NOT believe this doctrine as STATED above by the ORTHODOX church denominations then you are NOT truly a Christian according to THEM. And if you are in one of those church denominations you are to never teach against their doctrine of Almighty God incarnating or manifesting himself to become a human being.
So again, according to the TRINITARIAN mainstream Orthodox Christian view of the meaning of “GOD INCARNATE” or how JESUS HIMSELF is “GOD INCARNATE” is that the SON OF Almighty God HIMSELF became flesh and NOT that Almighty God HIMSELF became flesh. Some Christians state it this way, that God the SON, the SECOND person of the Trinity became flesh.
And, according to the ONENESS Pentecostal Christians Almighty God was ALONE and by Himself having NO Son of God with him in eternity past. And thus, to THEM, it was Almighty God himself who MANIFESTED HIMSELF a BODY to dwell in. So to the Oneness Christians, Jesus IS the Father Himself and not TRULY a separate distinct person from the Father. They teach that when we get to heaven there will only be ONE being in one person on the throne having NO Son sitting at his right hand on his Father’s throne.
But what does the Bible ITSELF teach us?
The Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us that Almighty God is NOT a MAN and neither is God the Son of MAN.
Please read Numbers 23:19.
“God is NOT a MAN, that he should lie; NEITHER (Is God) the SON OF MAN, that he should repent: has HE said,(Speaking of Yahweh himself the CREATOR of all things has said or has PROPHESIED) and shall HE not do it? Or has HE SPOKEN, and shall HE not make it good?”
The Bible itself also clearly teaches us that Almighty God the Father MADE Jesus a little LOWER than the angels DURING the DAYS of his FLESH. And every Christian knows and understands that the angels are NOT EQUAL with Almighty God in every way. The angels are CREATED beings that are INFERIOR to their creator. So simple logic teaches us that clearly seeing that God MADE Jesus a little LOWER than the angels who are inferior to God then that would mean that Jesus is also inferior to God. Please read the prophecy where God prophesies that His Messiah was MADE a little lower than the angels. And then we will read the FULFILLMENT of this PROPHECY in the New Testament.
Please read Psalm 8:1-9.
“To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David. O LORD our Lord, how excellent is Your NAME in all the earth! Who has set Your glory above the heavens? (It was because of Jesus overcoming sin that restores the glory of Yahweh upon the heavens. Jesus came in the NAME OF Yahweh to do the will of Yahweh. So this is a prophecy of Jesus being the excellent NAME of Yahweh. This is why God gave us the third commandment to not take up or receive the NAME of Yahweh is VAIN by keeping the Law of Moses contained in ordinances that Jesus nailed to the cross. Please read the studies “WHAT DOES TAKING THE LORD’S NAME IN VAIN TRULY MEAN?” And “HOW TO SHARE THE TRUTH TO SABBATH-KEEPERS!”)
2. Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings have You ordained strength because of Your enemies, that You might still the enemy and the avenger.
3. When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
4. What is man, that You are mindful of him? And the son of MAN, that You visit him? (Yahweh, through His Holy Spirit, visited the Son of man, Jesus every morning to teach him the Scriptures. See Psalm 8:4 and Isaiah 54:4-6)
5. For You have MADE him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.
6. You MADE him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet: (Acts teaches us that God MADE Jesus become both Lord and Christ and to BE HAVING dominion over the work of Yahweh's hands. And, according to Psalm 2:1-12 and Psalm 89:27 and many other PROPHECIES, it was God who ordained his firstborn Son to be exalted to be higher than the kings of the earth)
7. All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
8. The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passes through the paths of the seas.
9. O LORD our Lord, how excellent is Your NAME in all the earth!”
Now, let us read the fulfillment of this prophecy of Jesus being made a little lower or inferior to the angels. And then after the cross, the Son of Man was crowned with glory and honor to receive a NEW NAME so that at the NEW NAME given to Jesus after the cross will every knee bow and call him Lord TO the glory of Almighty God the Father.
Please read Hebrews 2:1-9.
“Therefore, we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward; (Speaking of Lucifer and the fallen angels being judged on the find Day of Judgment)
3. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4. God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5. For unto the angels has he NOT put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is MAN, that You are mindful of him? Or the Son of MAN, that You visit him?
7. You MADE him a little lower than the angels; You CROWNED him with glory and honor, and (You) did SET him over the works of Your hands: (So then, the Bible ITSELF clearly teaches us that DURING the day of his FLESH from his virgin birth to the cross Jesus was INFERIOR to the angels. And therefore, the so-called TWO nature THEORY of Jesus being FULLY Almighty God and full a human being at the same time having two natures, one divine, and one human is a man-made LIE created by the Roman Catholic Church)
8. You have put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. BUT NOW we see NOT YET all things put under him. (In other words, Jesus is NOT YET ruling FOR Yahweh as the King of kings and the Lord of lords)
9. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, (And then AFTER the cross, Yahweh) crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
I want you to read some verses of Scripture that clearly teach us that God is still yet in the process of putting DOWN one and PROMOTING another in his place.
Please read Psalm 75:6,7.
“For PROMOTION comes neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7. But God is the judge: he puts DOWN one, and SETS UP another.”
Did you know that at first God ONLY charged his ANGELS with folly?
Please read Job 4:18.
“Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:”
In other words, the fire that God prepared for eternal DESTRUCTION was ONLY prepared for the fallen ANGELS. God never intended HELL or more correctly the Lake of Fire to be for humans.
Please read Matthew 25:41.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR the devil and his angels:”
Then we read in Isaiah 5:14-16 that Hell has ENLARGED HERSELF meaning that God never ORDAINED any human to go to hell. But rather, God SET a CHOICE before the human race to CHOOSE LIFE.
Please read Isaiah 5:14-16.
“Therefore, HELL has ENLARGED HERSELF, and opened her mouth without measure: (Or Hell, the holding place of the wicked dead had to make herself more ROOM by opening her mouth WITHOUT the ENACTMENT or without a statue or a DECREE from Yahweh) and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoices, shall descend into it.
15. And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:
16. But the LORD of hosts shall be EXALTED in judgment, AND God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.”
Please read the studies under the heading >>>WHY ARE WE HERE-AND IS GOD AT WAR?<<< But for now, I want to go back to the Trinitarian Orthodox Christianity meaning of God incarnate to show you some ERRORS of interpretation that are made by Trinitarian Christians. Here is the last part of that Trinitarian quote.
“God can NEVER STOP being God because He is immutable (Hebrews 13:8) and infinite (Revelation 1:8). If JESUS stopped being fully God for even a split second, all life would die (see Acts 17:28). The doctrine of the Incarnation says that Jesus while REMAINING FULLY God, became fully man.”
I agree that God can never stop being God because if he did then all life would die seeing that God is the SOURCE of all life. But the ERROR of interpretation is their assuming that Jesus is the one true and only Almighty God who ALONE is the source of all life. And the verse of Scripture that they give as their PROOF text is Acts 17:28 which is taken OUT of its CONTEXT. Let us read Acts 17:28 out of its context first. For you see, Trinitarians INTERPRET verse 28 to be Jesus.
Acts 17:28.
“For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”
Now, when this verse is read alone and apart from the rest of God’s word then one could interpret this verse to mean Yahweh the Father or His Son, Jesus. BUT when it is left in its context this verse is referring to Yahweh the Father the ONLY TRUE God.
Please read Acts 17:22-31.
“Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, You men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are too superstitious.
23. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom, therefore, you ignorantly worship, HIM declare I unto you.
24. God that MADE the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, dwells not in temples made with hands; (So then, Paul is teaching us WHO the Godhead truly is, according to what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in SIMPLICITY. In other words, Paul is saying that the CREATOR is the Godhead in ONE person who will judge the world BY the Son of man, Jesus whom He ORDAINED)
25. Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, seeing He gives to all life, and breath, and all things;
26. And has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27. That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though he is not far from every one of us:
28, For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
29. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30. And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commands all men everywhere to repent:
31. Because He has appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness BY that MAN whom He has ORDAINED; whereof He has given assurance unto all men, in that He has raised him from the dead.”
For a more in-depth study on all the Godhead verses please read the study “WHAT DOES COLOSSIANS 2:9 TRULY MEAN?” Now, this Trinitarian article also gives Revelation 1:8 as their proof text as Jesus being THE ALMIGHTY God Himself. So let us go deeper in God’s word to show that the Trinitarian interpretation of Revelation 1:8 as Jesus being the one who is speaking is yet another ERROR of interpretation made by Trinitarians to try and prove their doctrine of the Trinity.
Let me explain what I mean by this. In some Bibles, either part or all of verse 8 in Revelation chapter 1 is in RED letters which means that those words in red letters are supposed to be Jesus who is the one doing the speaking. Here is how verse 8 reads in my Red Letter Edition of the King James Version reads.
Revelation 1:8.
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
So I can see how one could draw the wrong interpretation that Jesus is the one doing the speaking. One sees the red letters so they automatically assume that Jesus is doing the speaking saying that he is the ALMIGHTY. But you see, the one true and ONLY Almighty God can NOT have another God OVER and GREATER than Himself. Otherwise, that God who has another God over him would NOT be THE ALMIGHTY God Himself. And Jesus does, indeed, have another God over him. For all the verses that prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus is NOT the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God Himself please read the study “IS JESUS ALMIGHTY?” When you read the context from Revelation 1:8 all the way through to Revelation 5:18 then you will find that there are TWO different VOICES in which two different beings are speaking. One voice belongs to Almighty God the FATHER and the other voice belongs to the Son of God who has the appearance of the Son of MAN. Again, you can read the study I linked above for all of the verses. But for now, you can read just a few of the many verses that teach us that Jesus is “A” God under and subject to HIS God and Father who ALONE is the Almighty God. See Matthew 27:46; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Ephesians 1:3; and 1 Peter 1:3 on your own.
But for now, let us take a CLOSER look at some of the other verses in this Trinitarian article that they use to try and prove that God the Son incarnated himself to become flesh but yet REMAINED FULLY God at the same time having TWO natures, one divine, and one human during the days of his FLESH. I will quote the whole article again but this time I will add my comments within the article itself in parenthesis and in Times Roman font style like this so that you can easily distinguish what I teach and what mainstream Orthodox Christianity teaches.
“Question: "What does incarnate mean? How was Jesus God incarnate?"
Answer: The Latin verb incarnare meant “to make flesh.” When we say that Jesus Christ is God “Incarnate,” we mean that the SON OF God took on a fleshly, bodily form (John 1:14).
(John 1:14 does NOT say that the SON OF God took on a body of flesh. John 1:14 simply states as a FACT that the word was made FLESH. Please read the studies “WHAT DOES JOHN 1:14 TRULY MEAN?” and “WHAT DOES JOHN 1:1 TRULY MEAN?”)
However, when this happened in the womb of Mary, Jesus’ earthly mother, He did NOT STOP being DEITY. Although Jesus became fully human (Hebrews 2:17), He RETAINED His status as God (John 1:1, 14).
(First of all, there are NO verses anywhere in the entire Bible that teach us that Jesus had TWO NATURES at the same time. And one must INTERPRET John 1:1c “and the Word was God” to mean that the word was God the Son, the second person of the Godhead Trinity God. In TRUTH, there is no definite article “THE” to read as, “and the word was “THE” God” Therefore, according to the whole word of Almighty God, John 1:1 TRULY means that THE God PROPHESIED into existence “A” God. Please read the study “WHAT DOES JOHN 1:1-5.14 TRULY MEAN?”)
How Jesus is able to be both man and God simultaneously is one of the great MYSTERIES of Christianity but is nevertheless a test of orthodoxy (1 John 4:2; 2 John 1:7). Jesus has TWO distinct natures, divine and human. “Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11).
(The TRUE Jesus, according to what the Bible ITSELF teaches us in SIMPLICITY is not a MYSTERY at all. We all know and understand that Yahweh the Father creates all things by SPEAKING words out from his own mouth. And God SAID, Let there be light, and there was light. So why would it be some great mystery for Yahweh to PROPHESY His Son into existence? Please read all the studies under the two headings >>>WAS JESUS CREATED?<<< and >>>IS JESUS THE CREATOR?<<< Again, there are absolutely NO verses in the entire Bible that even HINT of Jesus having TWO NATURES at the same time during the days of his FLESH, one divine, and one human. The TRUTH of the matter is that Jesus became God’s ETERNAL Son AFTER the cross when Yahweh highly exalted the Son of MAN, Jesus, and GAVE him eternal life. As for John 14:11 proving that Jesus was both fully God and fully human at the SAME time simply read John 17:20-23 which clearly teaches us the WE will become ONE with the Father in the SAME WAY that Jesus is ONE with his God and Father.
John 17:20-23.
“Neither do I pray for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21. That they ALL may be ONE; AS You, Father, are IN me, and I IN You, that they ALSO may become ONE IN us: that the world may believe that You have sent me.
22. And the glory which You GAVE me I have given them; that they may be ONE, EVEN AS, we are one:
23. I IN them, and You IN me, that they may be made perfect in ONE; and that the world may know that You have sent me, and have loved them, AS You have loved me.”
The truth of the matter is that Jesus could do NOTHING OF HIMSELF and it was Almighty God the Father DWELLING IN Jesus who did the works that men saw Jesus doing.)
The Bible clearly teaches the deity of Christ BY presenting His fulfillment of numerous Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 7:14; Psalm 2:7), His eternal existence (John 1:1–3; John 8:58), His miraculous virgin birth (Luke 1:26–31), His miracles (Matthew 9:24–25), His authority to forgive sin (Matthew 9:6), His acceptance of worship (Matthew 14:33), His ability to predict the future (Matthew 24:1–2), and His resurrection from the dead (Luke 24:36–39). The writer of Hebrews tells us Jesus is superior to angels (Hebrews 1:4–5) and angels are to worship Him (Hebrews 1:6).
(Let us start with how Trinitarian writers DECEIVE Christians whether knowingly or unknowingly by “PARROTING” what Orthodox Christianity teaches. Yes, Hebrew 1:4-6 teaches us that Jesus is above the angels but that is only a tiny part of what the whole word of God teaches. Read the CONTEXT of Hebrews 1:1-6 and you will see that Jesus OBTAINED a more excellent name than the angels. Read Hebrews chapter 2 and you will see that God made Jesus a little LOWER or INFERIOR to the angels BEFORE God CROWNED the Son of MAN Jesus with glory and honor AFTER the cross. In other words. Jesus BECAME deity AFTER the cross. Everything that Jesus is and that Jesus has was GIVEN TO him by Almighty God the Father. Please read the study “37 FACTS TO PONDER ABOUT JESUS BEING GOD!”
And the mere FACT that Jesus is the FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY proves that Jesus is NOT Deity in eternity past or during the days of his FLESH. Again, Jesus himself said that he could do NOTHING OF himself and that it was the Father dwelling IN him who did the miracles. Acts 10:38 teaches us in SIMPLICITY, as to, HOW Jesus was able to heal people. It was the ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him which is the SAME anointing of the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, as Christians, to empower us to do the SAME WORKS that Jesus did through the Eternal Spirit dwelling in him. The man-made doctrine of the Trinity BLINDS Christians to the TRUTH. Jesus forgave sins because he was given the authority to forgive sins. Jesus could perceive things only when the Holy Spirit revealed those things to him. For you see, Jesus did NOT KNOW the day and the hour of his return which Almighty God the Father DID know.)
The Bible also teaches the Incarnation—JESUS became fully human by taking on human flesh.
(NO! The Bible ITSELF says the “word” was made flesh and NOT that Jesus was made flesh. There was NO Son of God in the eternity past. Jesus came INTO existence at his virgin birth as being FULLY human. And then AFTER the cross, Jesus became the ETERNAL Son of God. Please read the three-part study “WHEN DID JESUS BECOME GOD’S ETERNAL SON?)
Jesus was conceived in the womb and was born (Luke 2:7), He experienced normal aging (Luke 2:40), He had natural physical needs (John 19:28) and human emotions (Matthew 26:38), He learned (Luke 2:52), He died a physical death (Luke 23:46), and He was resurrected with a physical body (Luke 24:39). Jesus was HUMAN in every way EXCEPT for SIN; He lived a completely sinless life (Hebrews 4:15).
(I agree with this paragraph but I would add that Jesus overcame sin THROUGH the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling IN him. And we too can overcome sin in our lives through the same eternal Spirit dwelling in us. Please read the study “HOW YOU CAN LIVE YOUR LIFE FREE FROM SIN!”)
When Christ took on the form of a human, His nature did NOT CHANGE, but His position did. Jesus, in His original nature of God in spirit form, humbled Himself by laying aside His glory and privileges (Philippians 2:6–8).
(Please read the study “DOES PHILIPPIANS 2:6-8 PROVE JESUS PRE-EXISTED?”)
God can NEVER STOP being God because He is immutable (Hebrews 13:8) and infinite (Revelation 1:8). If JESUS stopped being fully God for even a split second, all life would die (see Acts 17:28). The doctrine of the Incarnation says that Jesus while REMAINING FULLY God, became fully man.”
I already cover this last paragraph but I would like to add some things to ponder on.
First of all, a church “doctrine” can SAY that Jesus, while remaining fully God, became fully man but that does not make the doctrine to be true.
Secondly, the Bible ITSELF teaches us that after the 1000 year reign of Jesus has ended then Jesus will step down from ruling as the God of the whole earth and COMMIT the kingdom BACK into the hands of His God and Father and be subject once again to Almighty God the Father. Please read 1 Corinthians 15:20-28. I will only quote verse 28 from a few different translations.
“Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.”
“But when all things have been brought under his control, then the Son himself will also be under the control of the one who gave him control over everything so that God may be all in all.”
“But when God puts everything under Christ's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, since God had put everything under the Son's authority. Then God will be in control of everything.”
“When everything and everyone is finally under God's rule, the Son will step down, taking his place with everyone else, showing that God's rule is absolutely comprehensive - a perfect ending!”
“And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”
So then, according to the Bible ITSELF, Jesus, will indeed, STOP being the God over the whole earth. Jesus will COMMIT the kingdom back into his God and Father's hands at the end of his Millennial reign as the Lord of the SABBATH during the world to come.
Jesus was MADE Lord after the cross to be having dominion over the works of Yahweh's hands. Jesus was MADE in the IMAGE OF the one true God after the cross. Jesus was and always will be subject to the ONE TRUE God who ALONE is the FATHER.
The SIMPLE truth is that Jesus said that he came OUT FROM God and NOT that God the Son came down from heaven from God. Jesus said that the Scriptures SPOKE of him. In other words, when Jesus read the Scriptures the Holy Spirit was right there teaching Jesus, saying to the Son of MAN, Jesus, that passage of Scripture is TESTIFYING of YOU, my Son. These are the things I, Yahweh prophesied and had my prophets write concerning YOU. The Scriptures do not prophesy about King David, but rather they prophesy about God’s Messiah whom we know to be Jesus. And there are no prophecies of a so-called pre-existing God the Son coming down from heaven to incarnate himself to become a human being. But rather, the prophecies teach us the exact OPPOSITE that a HUMAN Son of God was exalted and made Lord and King by his God and Father.
Please read Psalm 139:13-17.
“For You have possessed my reins: You have covered me in my mother's womb.
14. I will praise You; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are Your works; and that my soul knows right well.
15. My substance was not hidden from You, when I was made in SECRET, and curiously wrought in the LOWEST parts of the earth.
16. Your eyes did see my substance, YET being UNPERFECT; and in Your book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, WHEN AS YET was NONE OF THEM.
17. How precious also are Your THOUGHTS unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!”
Let us read the last three verses again so you can see that the TRUE Jesus did NOT LITERALLY pre-exist in eternity past as God the Son who was literally with Yahweh as a literally separate person at God’s side.
Psalm 139:15-17.
“My substance (Or my BODY, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE) was not hidden from You, (Or my body, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE, was not SECRET from YOU) WHEN (Or my body, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE, was not a secret for you as to when, where, and how) I was made (Or my body, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE, was not a secret for YOU as to when, where, and how I would be brought to pass or PROCURED) in SECRET, (Speaking of Yahweh’s HIDDEN prophecy kept secret from God’s enemy, Satan) and curiously wrought (Or my body, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE, was not a secret for YOU as to when, where, and how I would be brought to pass or PROCURED by you who fabricated me in an unusual way) IN the LOWEST parts of the earth. (Or my body, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE, was not a secret for YOU as to when, where, and how I would be brought to pass or PROCURED by You who fabricated me in an unusual way by Your spoken word of PROPHECY being FULFILLED or performed by You in the WOMB of the earth. Now, I see two meanings to the phrase “IN the LOWEST PARTS of the earth.” Before Jesus ascended out of the grave he DESCENDED FIRST into the heart of the earth or into the LOWEST parts of the earth. But God did not leave his SOUL in Hell as was prophesied. And after God resurrected the Son of MAN, Jesus, God highly exalted him and gave Jesus eternal life to become God’s, ETERNAL Son. That is one meaning. The other meaning is that Jesus had his beginning in the womb of a human woman without an earthly Father)
16. Your eyes did see my substance, (Or Your eyes looking into the future did see my BODY, as in, my whole BEING of spirit, soul, and body as well as my END PURPOSE) YET being UNPERFECT; (Or yet being an embryo or a yet unformed mass) and IN Your book all my members were written, (Or every detail about where I would be born to the END PURPOSE of why I was born are written in Your word of PROPHECY) which in continuance were fashioned, (Or You formed and molded like a potter) WHEN AS YET was NONE OF THEM. (Or which You watched over to perform Your word of prophecy to bring it to pass and You will continue to perform it when YET NONE of my being literally existed in the eternity past)
17. How precious also are Your THOUGHTS unto me, O God! How great is the sum (Or how great is the END) of them!”
Jesus said that the Scriptures TESTIFIED of him.
“Search the Scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which TESTIFY of me.”
Now read Luke 24:44-49.
“And he (Jesus) said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures,
46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47. And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48. And you are witnesses of these things.
49. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until you be endued with power from on high.”
Psalm 56:8.
“You (Yahweh) tell my wanderings: put You my tears into Your bottle: are they not in Your book?”
Luke 19:41.
“And when he has come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,”
Luke 13:34,35.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which kills the prophets, and stones them that are sent unto you; how often would I have gathered your children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and you would not!
35. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, You shall not see me, until the time come when you shall say, Blessed, is he that comes in the NAME of the Lord.”
Here are some Jesus WEPT prophecies. See the types, figures and shadows of the hidden prophecies of Jesus weeping in the following verses of Scripture: Gen_43:30; Job_30:25; Psa_35:13-15, Psa_119:136; Isa_53:3, Isa_63:9; Jer_9:1, Jer_13:17, Jer_14:17; Lam_1:16;
The Book of Hebrews teaches us in several places about shadows, figures, and analogies or allegories in the Old Testament pointing to Jesus.
Hebrews 10:1-12.
“For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3. But in those sacrifices, there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5. Wherefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body you have prepared me:
6. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin, you have had no pleasure.
7. Then said I, Lo, I come (IN the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do Your will, O God.
8. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you would not, neither had pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9. Then said he, Lo, I come to do Your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.
10. By which we will are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11. And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12. But this MAN, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;”
Psalm 40:6-10.
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire; my ears have You opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7. Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, (Or WHEN the Son of MAN, Jesus read this prophecy then Jesus declared the prophecies testifying of him back to Yahweh saying my ears you have opened O God. I understand your will for me to do. So be it done unto me according to your word, Lo, I come in the volume of Your book written of me)
8. I delight to do Your will, O my God: yea, Your law is within my heart.
9. I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, You know.
10. I have not hidden Your righteousness within my heart; I have declared Your faithfulness and Your salvation: I have not concealed Your lovingkindness and Your truth from the great congregation.”
Then after God raised Jesus from the dead he ascended to his God and Father to be given the divine nature to become “A” God just as it was PROPHESIED. And then Jesus descended back down to the earth after being glorified and highly exalted to become the King of kings and the Lord of lords to prove that he was the one prophesied in the Scripture. And by many infallible proofs the highly exalted now glorified Son of MAN, Jesus, showed himself alive for forty days. And during those forty days, Jesus EXPOUNDED the Scriptures and all the prophecies testifying of him.
Please read Luke 24:25-27.
“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27. And beginning at Moses (Speaking of the first five books of the Bible which is also called the LAW) and all the prophets, he expounded (Or Jesus systematically set forth, explained, and INTERPRETED in DETAIL) unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself .”
And here is how the Holy Spirit expounded the PROPHECY concerning Jesus found in Isaiah 9:6,7 to me. God showed me to read the FULFILMENT of this prophecy in the ORDER that it is PROPHESIED.
Please read Isaiah 9:6,7.
“For (Order of event #1 that has already been FULFILLED) unto us a CHILD is BORN, (THEN comes Order of event #2 that has also already been FULFILLED) unto us a son is given: and (And THEN Order of event #3 is YET FUTURE and it is YET TO BE FULFILLED) the government shall be upon his shoulder: and ( And THEN will come Order of event #4 is YET FUTURE and it is YET TO BE FULFILLED WHEN the government will be set upon the shoulder of Jesus IN the world to come) his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, (Or more precisely, the Father or the AUTHOR of eternal life, as in, BECAUSE OF Jesus obeying his God and Father Will, Jesus made it possible for whosoever believes in him shall be saved. For you see, the Son of MAN, Jesus, was GIVEN the authority and the power to JUDGE and give eternal life to whomsoever he chooses. This is why Psalms 2 prophesies to kiss the feet of God’s Son whom He ordained to be his King of kings and Lord of lords) The Prince of Peace. (And, according to Revelation 1:5, Jesus is our Prince right now standing at the right hand of God. But at his second coming, Jesus will SIT on the right hand of Yahweh to rule and reign FOR Yahweh as the Lord of the Sabbath. And at that time the kingdoms of this present world will become the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ. And)
7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
The order of events in prophecy is that a CHILD would be born FIRST and then that HUMAN Son of God would be GIVEN to die on the cross. And for the Son of MAN'S reward, God highly exalted Jesus to BECOME a God to rule FOR Yahweh in the world to come for 1000 years. Here are a couple of PROPHECIES in the Old Testament that prophesy God’s Messiah BECOME the God of the whole earth.
Please read Isaiah 40:9-11.
“O Zion, that brings good tidings, get you up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that brings good tidings, lift up your voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! (The God you ASKED for at Mount Sinai because you were afraid of the voice of Yahweh)
10. Behold, the Lord GOD will come with a strong hand, and His ARM shall RULE FOR Him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before Him. (Or and his work PLEASES Yahweh)
11. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
Now please read Isaiah 54:5.
“For your Maker is your husband; (Or more precisely, because your SACRIFICE is your MASTER) the LORD of hosts is his name;(In other words, Yahweh GAVE the Son of MAN, Jesus, a NEW NAME so that AT that NAME every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is the Lord of lords, the King of kings, and the God of the whole earth TO the GLORY OF Almighty God Yahweh, the Father) AND your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth SHALL he BE CALLED.”
Please read the study “WHAT DOES 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 TRULY MEAN?” For you see, God was MANIFEST in the flesh means that “A” God was MANIFEST DECLARED in the flesh.
Also, please read “WHAT DOES JOHN 1:1-5,14 TRULY MEAN?” For you see, it was in “A” beginning that word of prophecy was within the heart of God to prophesy there to be “A” God, and the word was “A” God. And WITHOUT him, not one new creature created IN Jesus Christ by Yahweh was made that was made.
Below is a list of the studies I mentioned within this study along with all the other studies that I have related to this subject of HOW did Jesus PREEXIST. We all agree that Jesus preexisted is some form so the question is not IF Jesus preexisted, but rather, in what form as to HOW Jesus preexisted in eternity past. Below is a list of verses used to try and prove that Jesus LITERALLY pre-existed as the CREATOR of ALL things in eternity past.
Thanks for reading, and may God bless you richly as you continue to seek the TRUTH of the WHOLE word of Almighty God.
And to me, the truth concerning who Jesus TRULY is, according to the Bible ITSELF, is the Biblical Unitarian view of Jesus.
Once Christians, Jews, Muslims, and even atheists understand the REASON that Yahweh CREATED the Son of MAN, Jesus, was to have DOMINION over the work of Yahweh’s hands.
And after you understand that the REASON that Yahweh did that is to STILL His ENEMIES, Satan and the fallen angels.
Then you can understand that God made His human Son to become “a” Lord, “a” King, and “a” God, under and subject to his God and Father in order to JUDGE Satan and the fallen angels.
For a deeper understanding of this WAR that Lucifer and one third of the angels waged against the throne of Almighty God, please read the studies under the subject category called ** Q-0 Why Are We Here? Is God at WAR? **.
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For further and more in-depth studies on this subject of Jesus being created to STILL the enemies of Yahweh, please read the studies called D-25. A NEW LOOK at JOHN 1:1, In the BEGINNING!
And also read the study called D-28. The PRE-ADAMIC LUCIFERIAN FLOOD!
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And to me, the truth concerning who Jesus TRULY is, according to the Bible ITSELF, is the Biblical Unitarian view of Jesus.
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