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Guest Introduction: Mees Baaijen
Returning guest, writes at Predators versus the People.substack.com
Author of The Predators versus the People — an excellent book I read last year.
Welcome back to the podcast.
Costa Rica & Globalism
Life in Costa Rica is described as very nice but globalist.
An illustrative story: a rich family in Costa Rica had a baby born in a private clinic; they planned not to vaccinate, but doctors insisted they vaccinate.
Vaccination laws in Costa Rica allow the state to seize children for non-compliance, threatening police intervention.
Forced vaccination is a global issue.
Singapore is implementing forced injections with penalties—fines and jail for non-compliance.
These measures are expected to roll out country by country.
COVID & Control Measures
The COVID dictatorship and related pretexts are evolving.
Current focus includes bird flu, used as a pretext to extend control.
Resistance to previous mandates was stronger than expected.
Authorities recognize they can't just repeat mandates openly due to resistance.
The strategy for control may be shifting.
Future control likely to be digital or cyber-related.
Examples: blackouts in Spain, digital prison systems, bank account restrictions.
Digital Control Grid & Vulnerabilities
The digital control grid is vulnerable; war could threaten its rollout.
War zones might be used to refine military tech.
The digital prison system, called "Stargate," is being rolled out as a form of slavery.
The digital grid’s vulnerability: a few rockets or EMP could disable it entirely.
Elites likely have backup systems and underground facilities.
The digital prison is considered the "end game"—a culmination of control efforts.
Paradigm Shift & War
There's a conviction of a paradigm shift away from traditional war.
Recent conflicts (Ukraine, Gaza) appear to contradict this, but are seen as part of a transition.
Wars like Ukraine and Gaza may be staged or used as pretexts.
Moving from traditional warfare to cyberwarfare and staged events.
The old war paradigm is being replaced by an investment and development paradigm.
New World Order & Global Power
A 500-year project of global domination is discussed.
The 20th century focused on ending empires; now a new phase is underway.
War became a revenue model for Western countries, especially the US.
This war-based model is ending; the project of global domination continues via different means.
The hegemony of the US is ending, replaced by China and Russia leading a multipolar world.
The global digital prison remains a core aspect of this project.
Digital vs. Traditional War & Military Tech
Future conflicts may shift toward cyberwarfare.
Technologies like robo-dogs and drone swarms are being developed.
War zones are used to test new military tech.
Technologies from conflicts will be used against populations later.
All nations are increasingly under control, evidenced by global COVID policies.
Wars are staged for benefit, not necessarily for resources already owned by global finance.
Staged Events & False Flags
Events like October 7th, comparable to 9/11, may be staged false flags.
Most Israeli casualties in the October 7 attack may have been caused by Israelis themselves.
Russia’s 1999 apartment bombings are cited as false flag operations.
Genocides and conflicts (Gaza, Ukraine) are potentially staged or manipulated.
Events follow a pattern of false flag operations to justify war and expansion.
Geopolitical & Historical Manipulation
Russia, China, and Western nations are engaged in staged conflicts.
Resources are bought/sold between warring parties, demonstrating staged conflicts.
The global elite plan involves regional unions like the North American Union, Eurasian Union.
The "Prospect for America 1961" documents plans for regional integration.
Multipolarity is seen not as a defense but as part of the same global control project.
The US’s global role is diminishing; China and Russia are propped up intentionally.
Post-WWII, American dominance was due to competitors under communism; now, a multipolar world is emerging.
Western Leadership & Traitors
Western leaders’ actions (Biden, Macron) are viewed as manufactured to shame.
Traitors within Western governments work for financial elites.
The end of American hegemony is underway.
The behavior of Western leadership appears designed to weaken and dismantle.
Historical & Secret Society Influences
Key figures: Paul Warburg (Federal Reserve), Rothschilds, secret societies.
Hitler was groomed by American and European interests.
Zionism is viewed as a scam, with Zionist leaders as secular Masons.
The land of Israel has led Jews to forget religion and culture, driving some to madness.
Zionist projects and Zionism itself are seen as manipulative constructs for control.
The Jewish bankers like Warburgs financed Hitler; the Rothschilds set up Israel.
Jewish leaders are accused of treason and ruthlessness.
Many Jews have been dehumanized through manipulation; some see Israel as a dehumanizing project.
Religious & Mythological Elements
The Bible is allegedly written in Alexandria, based on Plato’s model.
Jewish mythology promotes world rulership.
Secret societies and occult influences are believed to play a role.
The concept of boogeymen, controlled by elites, is discussed.
The "war against nature" is part of the control project.
Atrocities & Fake Events
Atrocities in Gaza and elsewhere are seen as staged or exaggerated.
October 7th attack is compared to 9/11 as a false flag.
The staged nature of conflicts is reinforced by staged events like the Gaza "mother in Gaza" story.
The October 7th event is viewed as a setup to justify further war.
Science & Social Engineering
The "no virus" theory is dismissed as impossible and deceitful.
Its diagnostic methods are scientifically invalid.
The movement is seen as social engineering aimed at undermining faith.
Flat Earth is also discussed as a psychological operation with possible CIA involvement.
Media & Education
Media and education are seen as tools spreading lies.
People are often unaware they’ve been fooled.
The dominant narrative is spoon-fed from all sides.
Future Outlook & Endgame
The digital prison (diguag/stargate) is the ultimate goal—an energy-intensive control grid.
EMPs from the sun could disrupt digital systems.
Elites likely have underground bunkers and backup systems.
Resistance is stronger than expected; the plan may be delayed but not stopped.
The global digital prison is the "end of the road"—the final phase of control.
Humanity is herded like cattle; elites see the planet and humanity as their property.
The project opposes principles of freedom, democracy, morality—akin to fascism.
Population control is decided by elites.
Awareness among people is the only solution, but societal distractions hinder awakening.
The "morpheus group" or "criminocracy" describes the ruling class.
Zionism, Israel, and the Jewish question are intertwined with global control narratives.
The future of Israel is uncertain; it may cease to exist or transform into Palestine.
Additional Notes
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The podcast is a thought experiment exploring these themes.
Links to interviews and resources will be included in the description.
The paradigm is shifting from war to digital control, with the digital prison as the "end game."
The global domination project continues, just with different methods.
Key Themes:
The End of the War-Based Revenue Model: The interview argues that the traditional paradigm of war, particularly the US-led hegemonic model which served as a significant revenue generator, is coming to an end due to its unpredictability, the vulnerability of digital infrastructure, rising legal risks for arms providers, and higher potential returns on investment in development projects.
Rise of the Multipolar World and Development Paradigm: A new paradigm is emerging, characterized by a multipolar world led by countries like China and Russia, focusing on investment and development, particularly in the Global South. This shift is seen as a move away from resource wars towards economic expansion.
The Global Digital Prison (Digigulag): Despite the potential decline of traditional warfare, a more insidious form of control is being implemented globally: a digital prison or technocratic control grid. This system aims for individual control through digital means, potentially enabling the blocking of bank accounts and other forms of coercion.
The Manufactured Nature of Conflicts and Political Leadership: Many current conflicts (Ukraine, Gaza) and the actions of political leaders are presented as staged or manufactured events serving specific agendas, often driven by financial elites seeking to profit, test technologies, or facilitate the transition to the new multipolar, digitally controlled order.
The Question of Jewish Influence and Zionism: The discussion delves into the historical role of certain Jewish elites (bankers, particularly the Rothschilds) in facilitating global domination projects over centuries, arguing that Zionism was a strategically created movement and that the state of Israel has served as a "war state" for specific purposes, potentially facing obsolescence in the new paradigm. The argument is made that many ordinary Jews have been "duped and abused" by these elites.
The "No Virus" Theory as a Potential Social Engineering Project: A brief but pointed discussion raises the possibility that the "no virus" theory, which denies the existence of viruses and contagion, is a form of social engineering or "scop" intended to mislead and undermine established scientific understanding.
Most Important Ideas/Facts:
Shift from War to Digital Control: "I am convinced that there is a paradigm shift away from from war... They're moving away from this... paradigm... and looking for another paradigm... but on the other side all these countries are implementing plans... for the global digital prison which is the the worst form of slavery that humanity has ever seen." This is a central thesis of the interview, suggesting that while overt conflict may decrease, covert digital control will increase.
Vulnerability of the Digital Grid: "the digital control grid is so vulnerable and so opposite from resilient that... war is a... big threat." This highlights a potential contradiction in the planned transition – the very infrastructure for the digital prison is susceptible to traditional warfare.
Economic Drivers of the New Paradigm: "the return on investment in projects like Belton Road, developing the global south etc. will bring much higher returns than the wars." This suggests that financial profitability is a key motivator behind the shift away from the war model.
Trump's Role in the Transition: "Trump is not not anti-globalist at all. He he just follows the new... strategy... Out goes the war. based revenue model. In comes a new development of the global south model." Trump's actions are interpreted as aligning with the planned transition to a regionalized US role and engagement in the Global South development model.
Gaza Genocide as Potentially Staged: "I think the the genocide in Gaza also I mean Hamas some people defend them. I defend the Palestinian case but Hamas is very dubious for me how all these Hamas leaders living in Dubai in luxury... what is that about?... it it seems to have been set up to... force or to yeah to force Israel into... committing atrocities because... most of the Israeli victims in the October 7 Hamas attack were caused by the Israelis themselves. So that is very similar to 911." This controversial viewpoint suggests the conflict is being manipulated for specific outcomes, including potentially discrediting Israel.
Wars as Accelerators of Technology: "they're using this cuz they need these war zones pretexts to refine and accelerate the technology." Conflicts like those in Ukraine and Gaza are seen as testing grounds for new military and control technologies (drones, robo-dogs) that will eventually be turned against civilian populations.
Regionalization as a Step Towards World Government: "This is an old plan of the Rockefellers... it's the multipolar plan... you need regions. They need, you know, 10 or a dozen regional super national unions to form the world state." The creation of regional blocs (EU, North American Union, Eurasian Union) is presented as a deliberate strategy to pave the way for a world state.
The "Owners and Controllers of Global Financial Capital" (OCGFC) as the True Power: "It's the the banking elites... That's that's what I call the predators... This the same group." This highlights the idea that a powerful, centralized group of financial elites are the architects of these global shifts and control mechanisms.
Israel's Potential Obsolescence: "the state of Israel had a function under the previous paradigm... that's now disappearing... Israel has to drastically change. There's no future for this war war and more war. It's that's over." The state of Israel is presented as a tool of the old war paradigm that may become obsolete in the new development-focused multipolar world.
The "No Virus" Theory as a Deception: "what I found out really is it's a it's a pile also or in other words, it's like a social engineering project where people... create... an alternative no viruses exist which is a theoretical dead end which is ridiculous." This challenges the "no virus" narrative as a potentially manufactured concept designed to mislead.
Supporting Evidence and Examples:
Costa Rican Vaccine Mandate: A story of a wealthy family forced to vaccinate their baby due to state laws, illustrating the reach of globalist agendas even in seemingly relaxed countries.
Singapore's Forced Injections: Mentioned as another example of increasing state control over health decisions.
Blackouts in Spain and Unstable Infrastructure: Cited as evidence of the vulnerability of digital and electrical systems, highlighting the potential weaknesses of the digital prison.
Curtis Yarvin's "Orbit Authority" Idea: Discussed as an example of elite proposals for a world government based on digital control and potentially maintaining a form of vertical "class war."
David Icke's Vertical and Horizontal War Concept: Used to frame the idea of staged international conflicts ("horizontal") versus a real conflict between elites and the masses ("vertical").
Hamas Leadership in Luxury: Questioned as a sign of potential manipulation or control within the Gaza conflict.
Strange Occurrences in Gaza Coverage: Personal anecdote questioning the authenticity of some media portrayals of suffering.
Israel-Hamas Attack Similarities to 9/11: Suggesting deliberate orchestration to create a pretext for further actions.
Riley Wagaman's Sharing of TAS Article on US-Russia Uranium Sales: Presented as evidence of continued cooperation between supposed adversaries for financial gain.
Jim McGregor's New Book on Hitler's Financing: Cited as recent evidence supporting the claim that Western elites financed Hitler for their own purposes.
Macron's Public Incidents (Slap, Alleged Cocaine Use): Interpreted as potentially manufactured events intended to shame Western leadership and facilitate a transition to a new order.
The Rockefeller's "Prospect for America 1961" Plan: Referenced as historical evidence for the long-term plan of regionalization and a multipolar world.
Rabbi Marshia Shfeld's Critique of Zionism: Quoted to support the argument that certain Jewish leaders have exploited and misled ordinary Jews.
The Warburgs Financing Hitler: Presented as a key historical example demonstrating that elite identity is less important than their shared agenda of control and profit.
The Movement of Jewish Populations Throughout History: Argued as evidence that Jewish communities have been strategically relocated by external forces for specific purposes.
Masonic Symbolism in Israeli Buildings: Cited as evidence for the secular and manipulated nature of the state of Israel.
Dehumanization in Israel: Compared to the dehumanization seen in Nazi Germany, suggesting a similar social engineering process.
Argentina, Costa Rica, and Ukraine as Potential Fallback Options for Zionist Elites: Proposed as possible destinations if the state of Israel is dismantled.
Lack of Christian "No Virus" Theorists: A personal observation used to question the origins and potential agenda behind the "no virus" movement.
Potential Implications and Concerns:
The predicted shift suggests that while the threat of large-scale international conflict may decrease, the threat of pervasive, individualized digital control is increasing significantly.
The idea that political events and conflicts are staged raises questions about the authenticity of current geopolitical narratives and the motivations of global leaders.
The discussion of the historical role of certain Jewish elites, while framed as an analysis of control mechanisms and not an indictment of the Jewish people as a whole, is a sensitive topic that requires careful consideration and likely further independent verification of the historical claims presented.
The concept of a "digital gulag" raises serious concerns about individual liberty, privacy, and the potential for unprecedented levels of state or elite control.
The "no virus" theory is presented as a dangerous and misleading idea, potentially distracting from genuine health concerns and undermining public trust in science.
Areas for Further Research:
Independent verification of the historical claims regarding the financing of historical events and the movements of populations.
Further investigation into the technological infrastructure being built for the "digital prison" and its vulnerabilities.
Analysis of the economic models and investment strategies driving the "development paradigm" in the Global South.
Exploration of the potential motivations and origins of movements like the "no virus" theory
This excerpt is from a podcast interview with Mees Baaijen, author of "The Predators Versus the People," where he discusses a paradigm shift in global power dynamics. Baaijen argues that the traditional war-based revenue model, primarily benefiting Western powers like the United States, is declining as the US's global influence wanes and a multipolar world led by China and Russia emerges. Instead of open conflict, he posits the ruling elites are shifting towards an investment and development paradigm, particularly in the Global South, while simultaneously implementing a global digital prison to control individuals through technology. This digital control grid, he believes, is a more insidious form of enslavement than war, and its vulnerability actually discourages large-scale military conflicts.Â
Report: Analysis of Shifting Geopolitical Paradigms and Control Mechanisms
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
This report synthesizes insights from a discussion highlighting a perceived fundamental shift in the global power structure and control mechanisms. The analysis suggests that a centuries-old "global domination project," orchestrated by a financial elite termed "owners and controllers of global financial capital," is transitioning from a paradigm reliant on military conflict and national hegemony towards a new phase characterized by investment in development and the implementation of a global digital control grid.Â
The previous model, which utilized wars as a revenue model and tool for geopolitical restructuring—particularly for the United States—is seen as ending with the planned phasing out of American hegemony and the rise of a multipolar world of regional blocs. While overt wars may diminish, the underlying project of control is expected to continue and potentially intensify through pervasive digital surveillance and control systems.Â
The discussion posits that many current global events—including conflicts and political behaviors—are staged or orchestrated to facilitate this transition and consolidate power in the hands of this global financial elite. Raising public awareness is identified as the primary challenge and potential avenue for resistance.
This report draws upon an interview with Mees Baaijen, author of "The Predators versus the People," to explore the current geopolitical landscape and perceived trajectory of global power. The conversation centers on the concept of a long-standing global domination project driven by a specific group, and argues that this project is undergoing a significant strategic pivot—moving away from traditional methods of control towards new, potentially more pervasive forms.
Observations from various regions suggest a global trend towards increased state control over individuals. Examples include:Â
Mandatory vaccination laws in Costa Rica, where refusal could lead to state seizure of a child—demonstrating globalist influence at the national level.
Reports of impending forced injections in Singapore, potentially enforceable with fines and jail time.
These measures are viewed as part of a broader global rollout. However, the initial implementation of these control strategies (implied to include COVID-related policies) reportedly faced greater resistance than anticipated by those implementing them. This unexpected resistance is suggested as a potential driver for a change in strategy.
A central argument presented is that the underlying "project" of global domination is undergoing a paradigm shift away from military conflict.
Key reasons identified for this shift include:Â
Unpredictable Risk of Global War: A third world war, particularly with nuclear capabilities, is deemed too unpredictable and unacceptable.
Vulnerability of Digital Infrastructure: The emerging digital control grids are seen as highly vulnerable to war activities. A conventional war could easily cripple this infrastructure (e.g., rockets hitting data centers).
Financial Risk for War Profiteers: Companies providing weapons are facing increasing risk of being sued in international courts, potentially resulting in billions of dollars in fines.
Higher Return on Investment: Developing the global South and investing in projects like the Belt and Road Initiative are seen as offering significantly higher financial returns compared to traditional warfare.
This new paradigm is characterized as an "Investment in Development paradigm."
The perceived geopolitical shifts are framed within a historical narrative of a "project of 500 years" aimed at global domination.
This project's trajectory is outlined as follows:Â
First 400 Years: Focused on colonizing the world (Africa, America, Asia).
20th Century: Shifted focus to ending existing empires ("the great 20 centuries slaughter of Eurasia") primarily through wars. This period saw the war schema become a "revenue model," particularly for Western countries like the United States.
Current Phase: Marked by the planned ending of the United States' hegemonic role. This is viewed as being actively brought about by rising powers like China and Russia, leading towards a multipolar world.
This shift is not seen as an end to the project but as a new approach involving the development of regional blocs. This is described as an "old plan of the Rockefellers," potentially detailed in historical documents like the "Prospect for America 1961" report.Â
These regional unions (e.g., EU, North American Union, Eurasian Union) are seen as steps toward a future world state composed of such supernational entities.Â
The most concerning aspect of the current phase is identified as the implementation of the "global digital prison," also called the "Digulag" or, in a recent rebranding, "Stargate." This system is described as the "worst form of slavery that humanity has ever seen." Its purpose is to enable granular control over individuals—including the ability to block financial accounts.
Within the context of the shifting paradigm, traditional military conflict is viewed differently:Â
Staged Events: Conflicts like those in Ukraine and Gaza are largely seen as "staged" or "theater," agreed upon by major powers (e.g., Putin and the West).
Revenue and Testing: These staged conflicts serve to generate profits, test military equipment, and develop new technologies.
Pretexts for Control: The war narrative is also suggested to be used as a pretext to justify the rollout of the digital prison.
Vertical vs. Horizontal Conflict: Drawing on David Yukes' concept, a distinction is made between horizontal wars (staged conflicts between states) and vertical wars (a real conflict between social classes, specifically the financial elite and the masses).
Furthermore, future conflicts are anticipated to take new forms. Eric Schmidt is cited as suggesting future wars will be fought over the internet using machines.Â
Current war zones are seen as crucial testing grounds to refine and accelerate technology (drones, robotics, AI) that will ultimately be used for the digital control grid directed against populations.Â
Military war may reduce significantly, but other "wars"—such as the "CO2 war" and "health agenda"—are expected to replace it.
The analysis posits that the "project for world domination" is not Jewish nor American. Instead, it is driven by a global financial elite, variously referred to as the "predators," "owners and controllers of global financial capital (OCGFC)," "Mr. Global," "global mafia," or "criminocracy."Â
Key points regarding the "Jewish question" include:Â
Use of Jewish Elites: Historically, powerful Jewish bankers (like the Warburgs, reportedly financing Hitler) have been part of this elite, demonstrating that control is not tied to a specific religion or identity but transcends them. These elites reportedly use their identity as a "buffer zone."
Jews as Duped/Abused: The view is presented that Jews, in general, have been "duped and abused" by their own leaders (seen as collaborating with the controllers) throughout history.
Historical Context: A complex narrative traces back to the Phoenician Empire and suggests that the Bible was crafted, using Platonic state models, to provide a mythology that would position Jews to be used for the purposes of the global domination project.
Strategic Movement of Populations: Historical expulsions and migrations of Jewish populations (e.g., from Spain to Holland/England, from Russia to the US, from Germany to Israel) are interpreted as deliberate movements orchestrated by the controllers to position them where needed for the project.
Israel as a "War State": The state of Israel is seen as having been established by entities like the Rothschilds not for religious purposes but as a secular, masonic-influenced "war state" serving the project's strategic needs. The environment is argued to be socially engineered to dehumanize the population.
Israel's Future: Given the shift away from the war paradigm, Israel's current function is viewed as ending. It is considered probable that Israel will cease to exist as a state and become Palestine.
Potential fallback locations for the population are suggested in:Â
Argentina
Costa Rica
Ukraine
The Ukraine conflict is speculated to serve the purpose of preparing it as a fallback option, raising the question of whether Ukrainians could become the new Palestinians.
The primary future control mechanism is the "global digital prison." This system aims for individual control, moving beyond national or regional boundaries.Â
However, the viability of this system is questioned due to its inherent vulnerability, particularly its reliance on electricity. Events like blackouts or a large-scale EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) event could cause widespread system failure.Â
While this poses a significant threat to the system for the general population, it is acknowledged that the elites may have their own resilient enclaves, potentially viewing mass disruption or depopulation resulting from infrastructure collapse as favorable.Â
Other non-military methods of control replacing traditional warfare include:Â
Cyber warfare
CO2/Climate agenda
Health agendas (e.g., during COVID)
These are seen as less overtly violent but insidious means of achieving control.
The shift towards the digital prison is described as the "end of the road," the "end game" for this project.Â
A major challenge identified is the difficulty in raising awareness about these dynamics and the true nature of the project. Populations have been "spoon-fed" narratives by media, education, and politicians, making it hard for them to accept alternative explanations.Â
Distractions (e.g., "Soma," digital cocaine, fast food) are seen as mechanisms keeping people from waking up.Â
Within this context, certain narratives—like the "no virus" theory—are viewed as potentially being another form of social engineering or a "scop."Â
While some proponents of the multipolar world ("multipolaristas") are seen as potentially paid or simply statist, ignoring the dangers of the digital control systems, the "no virus" theory is criticized for its methodology and perceived intent to mislead, drawing people into a "theoretical dead end."Â
It is also noted that most "no virus" proponents are anti-Christian, which may connect this theory to broader attacks on faith.
The primary recommendation is to prioritize making people aware of:Â
The global domination project
Its historical trajectory
The shifting paradigms of control
The dangers posed by the global digital prison
The analysis suggests that a powerful global elite is systematically moving the world towards a new form of control centered on digital infrastructure and economic development, phasing out traditional military conflict.Â
While this shift might appear less overtly violent, the potential for pervasive individual control through the digital prison is seen as unprecedented and constitutes the gravest threat.Â
Understanding this historical context and the motivations of the controlling elite is presented as crucial, despite the challenges in overcoming widespread public unawareness.
MAY 2025 INTERVIEWÂ TRANSCRIPT
Welcome to another edition of geopolitics and Empire. As always, support this podcast. I'm always in need of, quote, humanitarian aid. You can donate through the website, geopoliticsempire.com, through Wise Donorbox, Buy Me a Coffee, or the best way to support the podcast is by becoming a paid subscriber on the Substack. I do a weekly analysis for supporters only, and, I organize off the record Zoom calls for supporters only where we, just basically get together to talk about what's happening, around the world.
And, you can purchase Console if you wanna chat with me and check out all of my affiliates, like WiseWolf Gold, Above Phone, Escape the Technocracy, and and a few others, and leave a podcast review if you haven't already. And returning to the transmission, it's been a while. Mace Bion, who writes at thepredatorsversusthepeople.substack.com. He's also author of the book, excellent book which I read, I think last year, the perpetrators versus the people, which you can purchase via his Substack. Welcome back to the podcast, Meez.
Okay. The the perpetrators. Yes. The the title is the predators. The predator versus the people.
I don't I don't know why I oh, well, it says actually, it's it might be an error, on your, it says on your sub stack, the perpetrators versus the people, but then the snapshot says predators versus the the people. But people can, if they subscribe to your sub, Zach, they get a copy of of the book. Just make sure they click, there correctly. But, yeah, excellent book. I read it.
And by the way, how is, how is the pura vida life in in in Costa Rica? Oh, well, life is very nice here, but but but it is a globalist country. And one of the I tell you one story. A a a rich family in Costa Rica, a lady from a rich family rich family in Costa Rica had her baby born in a private clinic. And she had planned not to vaccinate the baby.
And the doctors said you have to vaccinate the baby because the laws in Costa Rica say that if you don't vaccinate a baby, you abandoned it, and the state will collect your baby. And we will call the police if you don't let us vaccinate a baby. And they had to vaccinate the baby. Well, it was a story that really, I don't know, affected me deeply. I mean, I I felt the cold in my even now I feel it.
So this is where, globalism has brought to Costa Rica. Yeah. And, you know, this again, this is a of a very deep problem. Yeah. And it's it's a global issue.
You know, it was recently reported Singapore. They're gonna be forcing injections. And if you don't accept them in Singapore, you can be fined and going to jail. And I think, these things will be rolling out country by country, globally. And, but yeah.
So maybe I could well, any any thought since you you brought up that subject, any thought as to where we are with the COVID dictatorship? They're talking about bird flu now as of late, and they're calling, you know, animals. And so they're using this again as a continued pretext to take control. Where do you see us at, at this point right now? Well, I think the, the resistance was was much greater than they expected.
And they they understand they can't just repeat this formally because many people will resist. We tried a little bit with the, monkey virus and with the influenza thing, but nothing really serious yet. So maybe they are changing the strategy. I don't know. And and try it another way.
But I think they are this was not what they this was the the reaction and the resistance was not what they expected. They they expected a much lower level of resistance. I'm not sure what their sec what their following factors will be. It looks like it might be related to the digital or electric, cyber, feel. Right?
We're seeing the blackouts now in Spain and I I I think they they are set on rolling out this digital version so they can block your, bank account, etcetera, and then it's over. I mean, then there's no need anymore in theory, for these fear man mongering campaigns because they control everything. But is this is this is it possible to to roll out this system? There are many contradictions. I mean, on the one hand, they are preparing for war, like in Europe, with Russia, and so on.
On the other hand, they are preparing for a digital digital control grid that is not compatible. I mean, the digital control grid is so vulnerable and so opposite from resilient that, war is a, a big threat. I mean, rolling out the whole thing and that then let Russia blow in a few rockets in a few data centers and it's all gone, that that that doesn't work. So I am convinced that there is a paradigm shift away from from war. It looks maybe sounds crazy because we have still, wars like in Ukraine and Gaza, which is not even a war but a genocide.
But they're moving away from this, paradigm. Paradigm is the word, and and looking for another paradigm. And recently, I found a guy, His name is Simon Dixon. Yeah. Yeah.
Simon Dixon. He's I've interviewed him a few years back, and I need to get him back on. But he thanks to your post, I discovered he did this three hour long, podcast, which I watched on on on double speed. And I think what he says agrees overlaps with my views and and and and and your views. Yeah.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, His his, his presentations are partly, AI.
Have you noticed? No. So it repeats and repeats and repeats when you see several ones. It's it's it's also a disclaimer. This is an AI presentation.
So but he is, he is convinced that, the old war paradigm is being substituted now under the in the multipower next phase by a investment in development paradigm. And he he he mentions a few reasons. One is that the world war the short world war with nuclear short world war is so unpredictable that it it it's not it's not, acceptable anymore. And especially when you sink in electronic digital control grids, which are very vulnerable to all kinds of war activities, then it becomes yeah, reasonable, acceptable. The other one is that he says, the big companies that provide the weapons for, like, a genocide in Palestine are now afraid of being chewed because they, Israel is already accused in international, how you call them, the the, Courts.
Or Purchased in international courts. And if Israel is accused, then also the providers of Israel can be accused. And this could be billions of dollars, fines that they would have to pay. It's just risky. And then another argument he he presents is that the return on investment in projects like Belt and Road, developing the Glover's House, etcetera, will bring much higher returns than the wars.
And, he doesn't go back so far in history, but if you go further back in history, you you will see that, there is a project of five hundred years as I explained in my book. First four hundred years were spent colonizing the world. And and the easiest to colonize territories from Africa, America, Asia. But there were still the high hanging fruits, as they call them, the Eurasian empires. And that became the twentieth century focus of this group seeking global domination.
I call it the the great twentieth century's slaughter of Eurasia, where they ended all the empires of Eurasia. So the Japanese, the Chinese, the Russian, go on. Also the British, the Dutch, the French, colonial empires, they had them all. And, they could only do that through wars. So this war scheme became like the revenue model for Western countries, especially especially United States.
But this is coming to an end now because the hegemony of The United States is being ended. It's it doesn't end in its own. It's being ended. China and Russia are leading the new phase of multi or multipower world. And the so war as a revenue model, I think, is coming to its end.
Now that's good news, of course. But on the other side, all these countries are implementing plans for the global digital prison, which is the the worst form of slavery that humanity has ever seen. So the war may end, but the project didn't end. The project takes another approach more acceptable to the people, but in the end, if we don't, become aware of that and stop it somehow, it will be worse in the end. That is the what I explained in my article, the big picture of history and how Trump fits in.
Trump is trying to reduce wars, trying to reduce the international role of, United States, trying to create a regional role in The Americas. But all in the meantime, the global this is the prison which these people call now Stargate, you know, in a desperate rebranding, is going on. And it's major investment, $500,000,000,000. So Trump is not not anti globalist at all. He he just follows the new strategy, under the new paradigm.
Out goes the war based revenue model. In comes a new development of the global south model. And one of the groups in this global south is, of course, the the Arabian countries. So the Arabia where Trump just visited and made made big deals. That's an example of of how it's going.
In the same time, he didn't visit Israel, which is a sign, a clear sign from, hey, guys. Stop it. This is not working anymore. We don't want the warring data. Few months ago, he even said he wanted, Mar A Lago in Gaza.
So develop the property. It was to I think he said to to wake up Israelis. He said, this this is not going. We are not going not going to finance this eternally. This this it has no sense anymore.
You know, in other times, China want pipelines here and and and so on. And, other other communication, transportation, routes stop this madness. So I I wanna go back because there's so many points here. One one thing that you mentioned, and I'm glad you point that out because the contradiction of the them wanting a war while at the same time trying to implement algocracy technocracy. And I've been thinking maybe the war narrative is just a narrative.
Right? They keep scaring us. We're gonna go to war. We're gonna go to war. But maybe one of their goals is not really to take us to to war, but just use it as a narrative while they build this digital prison.
And and we and we just had over the weekend, you know, there was a apparently, a fire at one of the data centers in Oregon that, Elon Musk, rents for x. And I know me and, you know, a whole bunch of people, we weren't able to access our x account. That that just shows to the the the how precarious this digital thing is because, you know, a fire broke out in the data center for Twitter x, and we couldn't access x. Here in Mexico increasingly, the electric the electric grid is increasingly unstable. Right?
Even the water infrastructure. So we're just seeing increasingly how unstable all of this infrastructure is. So I wanted to make that point, and then also what you just mentioned, Curtis Yarvin. Right? People are talking about Peter Thiel, all these bologarchs.
Curtis Yarvin is one of these guys. He just published an article on palladium. I commented on it the previous week in my weekly analysis. He calls for a world government. He calls it an orbital authority.
So he's talking about creating this world government based out of space. And he says, we still need war. And he's basically what he's saying is, like, we're gonna have Elysium where the elites sort of, you know, live nice, but the masses you know, we need you guys to keep because that's the structure, kind of what you're saying. They need this revenue model. So he talks about the god of war, Mars, and and and it was unclear the form of war.
So I think you you you're getting close by. Maybe they're gonna take us away from the bombs and takes tanks type of war and maybe focus more the war will be between them and us, and it'll be more like, cyber war. You know, they're creating they're manufacturing all these events, and so the the authorities are constantly having to come after us. Just just any thoughts there. No.
That reminds me of what I yesterday saw on your channel. Your your talk with, David Yooks who spoke of, vertical war and horizontal war. So the horizontal war is is between countries, which is staged, and the vertical war is between classes. And he gives a lot of credit to to Marx. I give a little I gave him a little less credit because Marx was paid by the bankers, and he his class, explanation of of of of of our reality was industrialists against workers.
Yeah? So the ones that, possess the means of production, against the ones that, lend their labor to industrial companies. But it's much wider than that. It's the the the banking leads. So the in the terms have you seen, what is his name?
Balsam? Shah Sharid Balsam? Shahid Balsam. Yeah. Yeah.
Nation. He calls it, in a good, term, the owners and controllers of global financial capital. O OCGFC. OCGFC. Yeah.
That's that's that's what I call the predators. Yeah. And Catherine Austin Fitts called it calls it mister global and so on. It's the same group. So where were we?
The oh, I lost my I lost my my my train. That's why I forgot what we're talking about because you brought up Shadi Bolson. And, yeah. We're talking about, well, I brought up Curtis Sharvin and the oh, you're talking about David Hughes and the vertical and and horizontal. I get it.
Yes. Yes. And and so in fact, the the horizontal wars is all staged. Ukraine is a perfect example, and I think the the genocide in Gaza also. I mean, Hamas, some people defend them.
I defend the Palestinian case, but Hamas is very dubious for me. How all these Hamas leader living in Dubai and luxury, etcetera. What is that about? Well, I mean, just one example. I saw someone shared a clip yesterday, and this was strange for me.
So someone shared a clip about children starving in Gaza. I don't doubt that's that's happening, but I just found it strange that they showed a mother purportedly in Gaza, a Palestinian woman, and she was a plump. And she said her child died or is dying or died from starvation. And I'm thinking after well, I'm thinking afterward. I'm like, it doesn't make sense because, first of all, you don't look like you're starving.
How is it that your child is starving? I'm a parent. You know? I would rather get I'd give the food first to my kid than I would to myself. So, I mean, I, you know, I just find there's there's strange things like that that like that.
There are more strange things than there's strange things in there. So I'm I'm trying to look, at it from a bigger perspective. So I'm I'm quite reluctant to pronounce if I'm in favor of Hamas or etcetera because, well, we know that Hamas was set up by Israel to to start this. There are many articles. I mean, there's a lot of proof.
And this looks there is a documentary made by by John Henke on October where he where he compares it with nine eleven. I mean, it it it seems to have been set up to to force or to, to force Israel into, how do you call them? Atrocities. King committing atrocities. Because, it's quite clear now, I think, that, most of the Israeli victims in the October seven Hamas attack were caused by the Israelis themselves.
Yeah? So it is very similar to '99. Well, it it follows the same formula. And, again, I think we have the perfect right to state these views to say that that, you know, was an American, Israeli, Western, possibly false flag operation, which creates then the pretext to, carry out war and expand. And Israel's not special in that regard.
You know? I but Russia's done the same, if you ask me. 1999, Moscow apartment bombings bombings was a false flag. Ian Davis, Ivan Davis has, written, about it. He, it's it's the same.
I mean, it's gangsters everywhere. And it's gangsters in The United States. It's gangsters in Europe. It's gangsters in Russia, and it's also gangsters in Hamas. You know?
And they are they are controlled by by by the same controllers of, global finance capital who are steering this in a direction that they can roll out this, digital, technocratic, control grid operation. Well, I mean, that seems to be the ultimate game. I mean, I just there's so many threats to pull on here. What you were saying so Michel Shosadovsky of Global Research, I listened to an interview he just gave recently to Drago Bosniche, I think. And Shostadovsky is convinced that, the split with America and Israel is is real and that America wants to take over Gaza, and make it like a colonial project, like, what do you call it?
Like one of those, territories overseas, territories. There's that. And then Eric Schmidt, we we we've been talking about that for the past few weeks. Eric Schmidt came out and said, the future war will be fought over the Internet. So you've got, you know, a man with a rifle, a new Ukrainian, and then a Russian man with a rifle fighting each other.
You know, he's like, we don't need to put humans in jets anymore. Those can be operated all autonomously. You know, the drone swarms, the robo dogs, basically, like, in the Terminator movies. And, actually, one of my paid subscribers recently made the point, like, that just shows you how it's all a fraud. Like so it's like the West is sending all of this money into these steel and metal machines who are then fighting the Russian machines.
It's like, what's the point? It's it's just making money, but it's building out the Skynet. And Eric Schmidt gave that talk at the Milken Institute some weeks back saying, wars will be fought over the Internet with just machine versus machine, but they're using that. And I think you touched on this in one of your articles. You said they're using this because they need these war zones pretexts to refine and accelerate the technology Yes.
Which they wouldn't be able to do otherwise if there was no Ukraine, if there was no Gaza, if there was no India, Pakistan, recent skirmish and and stuff like that. And so they're now building out the Robodogs, the Black Mirror Robodogs, the drone swarms. You know, China's it was reported this week China's building some huge drone mothership that can send out hundreds, if not thousands, of mini drones out of it. So just your thoughts. You think then, this is what they're doing?
That eventually, once these wars are declared frozen or or finished, Russia and China and European Union and and and and US, they will have their hands on all of this, technology to use then against us? Yes. There there are, the global domination project as I see it, in this century. Now all nations or all lands are captured under control. And the best proof was COVID policies, which were implemented in all countries of the world.
Slight differences here and there, but and so now they want to to to roll out the this individual control of individuals, through this digital line system. And wars are are just states when when they get some benefit from it. I mean, the boards are not fought anymore because of resources is is sometimes thought because the, the owners and controllers of global finance capital own it all already. In Russia, they own it through Russian oligarchs, which the road charts set up before the end of the of the fall of the Soviet Union, to take, the resources of Russia. And so they have they have it in their hands.
Khodorkovsky has, you you said it to me in the first interview when I told you this. It was a German guy, Michael, Wolsky. Michael Wolsky, who wrote this in a book about the Russian oligarchs. You you had found a an interview with, which confirmed it. It's not the oligarchs who own it.
It's the bankers who own it through the oligarchs, and they lavishly pay their their these these people so they can have their goods and who knows what more. So everything is already owned. There is no need for resource wars. It it's only a trick. You're saying that now America has the control on minerals in in Ukraine or so.
So, yeah, these wars are are, agreed upon. I mean, Putin and, not Biden because Biden was a walking skeleton, how you call it, you know, all all those years. But Putin agree and and the West agreed. We are going to have a war so we can fill our pockets. We can develop our we can test our military, the man, but also our equipments, develop new ones and see what etcetera etcetera.
It's an agreement. You can see it in in many things. One of the one of the blatant things is that when when the Ukraine the leg of diesel, they ask Russia, can you provide us for a million dollar in diesel? Of course. We can provide while they were at war.
I mean There was a recent article, Riley Waggamond shared, from TASS, I think, that Putin said, oh, yeah. We're selling uranium to The US. Why? Because it's profitable. It's like we need you know?
No. No. It's it's it's all staged. I mean, it's it's a theater. Shakespeare knew it, four hundred years ago when he wrote all the world's estates and all the men and women are are actors.
This this has been going on for a very long time, but because the media and also our education, our schools, etcetera, tell us lies, we we we haven't discovered yet as a as a global community that it's all lies. People people believe in it. So so, you know, one thing we've been discussing is their construction of the digital prison. So I I call it you know, they want this global algocracy, this world government digital prison surveillance state. But then the the other aspect, let me get your thoughts because you mentioned Trump and how the how they're trying to, you know, make, the unipolar world America world, take it down to just, put it on a leash so it's just only in its own region, Fortress America, and the North American Union, right, to get your thoughts on that because Trump is now saying, let's integrate Canada and USA and Greenland and and then Mexico.
That's a century old plan. And part of that plan was Elon Musk's grandfather's plan. So is it any wonder that Elon Musk, they they say he's a shadow president who's backing Trump in this implementation? But not just North America to get your thoughts on North American Union, but also, Sergey Glasya. I caught a clip last week of Sergey Glasya, the Russian economist, you know, who I I I follow as well.
He just came out and said he's talking about this union state. So we know there's been this union state project between Belarus and Russia to integrate like the European Union style to create a Eurasian Union, and it's beginning with Belarus and Russia. And for the first time, Glaziev, he said, he also mentioned Ukraine. So I just thought, wait a minute. You know, World War two, the the way to create the European Union was through war, World War two.
And maybe they're now one of the other goals beyond what you were saying was to birth birth the Eurasian Union because they need regions. They need, you know, 10 or a dozen regional supranational unions to form the world state. And so maybe they will use the the conclusion of the Ukraine war and say, okay, Ukraine now, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia, you're gonna form a Eurasian union. We have the EU. Trump is heading the the North American Union.
You know, Bukele is in El Salvador making the Central American Union. Just any thoughts on this, process? I think this is an old plan of the Rockefellers. Yeah. That was written, by by our, great friend, Kissinger, in the in the sixties of the last century.
I just forgot the name. No. It's it's it's an old plan. It's a multipolar plan. Yeah?
So you have an EU, you have a North American union, and Was was it the new international economic order maybe? Or No. Let me see special studies project. Prospect for America Nineteen Sixty One. Is it the is it this one, sir?
I have is it Prospect for America? Yes. That's it. So I I I bought this fifteen years ago for 20 Mexican pesos, 1 dollar in a used bookstore here in Mexico. And Pretty good question.
And and I yeah. And it's okay. Let's touch on that for a second. This again, for some people listening, there are I call them these who are cheerleaders for bricks and the multipolar world. But I think you and I and Simon Dixon and others are pointing well, that this is actually the the the new plan for the new new world order.
And it's actually the advance towards world government, whereas these cheerleaders for multipolarism, they're saying, no. No. No. It's it's like it's it's a defense against the world government when in fact it's it's the opposite. No?
No. I actually know the same project. Yeah. So we had, for four hundred years, we had countries like, with a hegemonic role for these bankers. It started with Spain, then it went to Holland, then it went to England, then it went to United States.
And from '19 the early nineteen seventies on, in my book, I take 1971 as the, as the year that they decided that they were going to end the American hegemony. And in that year, they decoupled the dollar from gold, and then lots of other things happened about the first email and oh, lots of things happened in that year. And so they they have been working on, on this, the project on this last phase of America to to fade out America's role on world level fifty years for more than fifty years, they've been working on. And it's now happening. I mean, it's now happening in, like, Marco Rubio, The the the role of The United States as the policeman, etcetera, of the world is over.
We leave it to other powers, and we concentrate in fortress America. That is more or less what they have been saying under Trump. What do you think America looks like? Does it just does it remain strong regionally? Because people talk about it will collapse.
But, you know, we saw, you know, in the nineties, Russia collapsed, but then quickly came back to be, you know, pretty strong as it is today. Do you think America will collapse or it will just remain powerful just, as a North American union? Well, it's it's still powerful. It's still powerful, but but its position is very different from from what it was, just after the the second World War because in the first half of the twenty sec twentieth century, they managed to bring both Russia and China under communism. And these two countries were the most dangerous competitors for United States.
So once they had Russia and China in the communist fridge, as I call it in my book, The United States had no major competitors anymore and could make this soaring career and have its golden age until the only twenty years or so, until the early seventies. And then the the the phase of autumn, as French historian, called it, was already set in. It was a planned phasing out of the role of The United States. Propping up China, propping up Russia through Putin, it's all planned. And, so now these countries are stronger than ever, and they are also working together.
So there is no way that America can, refine its leader role industrial production in the world. It's out totally. So they have they will when the second World War ended, it was estimated that the Americans, who were only a very small percentage, maybe 5% of their population, had 50% of the wealth of the world. And now that's very different. These other countries have grown and have accumulated wealth, and America's role will be much more modest.
How do you follow me? Honest? Okay. Yeah. I'm I'm modest.
And and let me ask you that. I wanna share a clip. So given what you're saying, America has been strong for a long time. It's it's it's very strong economically, militarily, you know, its geographic location. And so it it takes a lot of work to knock it down a notch.
And I don't know if you've seen some of these clips lately. For me, it makes sense that some of the stuff we're seeing coming out of the western leadership, including Europe and The US, shameful behavior by the political leaders, like Biden. I think by, the Biden presidency was manufactured to bring shame to, the West. There's a term for this, like a dog, a king or or something like this where, you know, foreign powers impose this sort of clown leader on you as a way to bring shame to your nation. And and then we had recently this you've probably seen in the train, was it Macron?
I I forget who it was. Tharmer Macron and the German BlackRock chancellor supposedly doing cocaine. And just this morning let me share this this clip. Maybe you've seen it right. But, apparently, Macron on his plane get slapped by somebody.
Uh-huh. And I'm playing the clip here. He's you know, there he got they're they're gonna repeat with a zoom in. He's he's getting they open the door, the the pilot, and he gets pushed in the face purportedly by his wife or husband. We we just the fact that we don't know if his spouse is a husband or wife.
Someone has stopped the the share there. But for me, like, that just seemed manufactured. Like, the that this was done intentional to bring to shame the French leadership and and the western leadership to play, that role of what you're saying. We gotta bring the West down to bring the East up. Just any thought?
It's a demolition. It's a demolition. And it's carried out by by by the, yeah, the the own by traitors, Rosita Gates. I mean, the the Democratic Party and also the Republican Party. And in Europe, of course, the these people bring their own continents or their own countries down on behalf on behalf of the the financial leaders of the world, which will deposit large amounts on their offshore accounts, of course, and then they they do it.
And they're not afraid that they will be caught because they never got caught. And, I don't know if you have noticed already that a new book is out by Jim McGregor. You wrote you wrote wrote about it. I'm I'm actually planning to purchase a physical copy. I I haven't even read it about six years ago, their book on World War one, The Hidden History or something.
I haven't even read it yet, and it's been on my Kindle. Brings everything together. It's a must read, really, and and it's it's it's so impressive. I mean, these same people, The UK Politicians, the proxies for the bankers, and the American, proxies and the Zionist proxies, etcetera Hitler. I mean, it's no doubt left.
It's evidence totally clear. It's it's it's it's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And then, you know, you wrote about that. Paul Kudnik wrote about it recently. And it's '32. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's it's yeah. Yeah. And it's it's clear again that what bothers me is that we're seeing a resurgence now, amongst people in the West, of this neo Nazi, Aryan, new age, you know, theosophic beliefs, and they're postulating Hitler as some hero when he was nothing of the sort. He was completely manufactured. He was, an occultist and and and, financed by these people.
No? Yes. Yes. Yeah. He he he was he was not an agent, in McGregor's explanation.
He he was duped. So people from secret services came to him and said, well, we want to support you in your fight against communism, and we will help set up you, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, and you fight against communism because we're anti communist. And so and that way, they, they the the first, groomer that the Americans paired with Hitler was already in 1922. So he he and he had to leave Germany. I think it was 1937 because Hitler wasn't was not, at lost his confidence.
He he he had, understood that he had been fooled, that he had been. Well, I I mean, that example and I recently interviewed William Ramsey where we talked about the occults and Alyssa Crowley. And Crowley made mysterious trips to, Germany during that time, the late twenties, early thirties. So you've got the occult secret societies. You've got, you know, British American intelligence and and finance, and it's they they create this boogeyman for their purposes.
And once they're done with him, he's done away with. And I think they might try it again this time. And I wanted to ask you, just going back for a second, to the multipolar world that's speeding ahead that you were mentioning Russia and China. And it it you know, I had a guest recently. He's from China.
And, you know, China does seem to be their economy is growing. Their people are getting richer. In the West, people are getting poorer. And the technology is speeding ahead in China. Their, computers, their phones, their trains, their cars, like, you're seeing Chinese cars now on the streets of Mexico.
And so really they really seem to be doing well. What do you think this multipolar new new world order will look like? You know, so America is is, relegated to North America. What what happens to the EU? And do you do you see do you think China, Russia, BRICS will lead the world, or we're solely gonna move into this federated world state?
You know, will it be the United Nations? Will they create another organization? Yeah. I think, we were Europe will integrate, at some point. They now, desperately choose to go for war, which is a typical way to to solve your internal problems, is to, create an external enemy.
Yeah? Even Plato, that was four two thousand four hundred years ago. That Plato said, a tyrant is always stirring up some war or other in order that the people may require a leader. So this is an old trick. This is a classical, way of solving your internal problems to create an external, enemy.
That's what they're doing. But they're under the new paradigm, war is, will, I think, will will become something of the past. Because you simply cannot cannot have war with Russia in Europe while you are installing a digital control grid. It's impossible. I mean, a few of those hypersonic Russian missiles and the whole control grid collapses.
It's it's impossible. Do you have any thoughts? So anytime I talk to folks from the East, the as I like to call them Mhmm. They all you know, there's the movie, the the director's name, was Kubrick. Does it sound like Kubrick?
Doctor Strangelove? Or or How I Learned to Love the Bomb, right, is the title of the movie. How I Learned to Love the Bomb. And I've joked for years because this the algorithm ghetto is coming upon us, the digital concentration camp. How I learned to love the algorithm ghetto.
And I don't understand how some of these basically, any you you talk to any one of these, they love the algorithm ghetto. They love the digital gulag. They are spokespersons for it. They say it makes us safer. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Or they just dismiss it, say it doesn't exist. Or if it does exist, it's making us safer while I'm telling them, like, what, dude? Like, you know, I'm my government is debanking me already. Last year, I couldn't renew my debit card at the bank because I don't have the Mexican digital ID, which I never took out and I don't even want. And it's like and they don't they they just see no problem with it until the boot slams them in the face.
And do do you have any thoughts? Have you spoke to some of these people, you know, in China or Russia or the global South? And, like, they act as if I think they are statists, maybe in some sense communist or socialist, and they think the state has their back, that it's their big daddy who's gonna take care of them when history shows us, you know, the number one cause of death in the twentieth century was government, the state. You know, RJ Rummel, I think he coined the democide, death by government. And so do do you have any thoughts as to why some of these people who promote multipolarity just in in don't see no problem with these digital, you know, social credit control systems.
Well, we I talked lots of these things over with, Yuri Roska. You are familiar with Yuri from, from Moldavia, and he is convinced that, these people are in the pay of, Russia and China. He he has lots of knowledge on how, Russia influenced the West during the Cold War. Now they also bought people, and then they're still doing that. And and behind Russia is, of course, the same bankers or the controllers and owners of, finance capital.
I mean, one of the if you analyze the problems we have, had in the in the last five hundred years, one of the biggest problems we have is the money system. It's based on user. I I'm not going to explain it now, but, it means that during those five hundred years, we as, civilians, even if we didn't have bank accounts, we have been paying about 50% of our income, in interest to the banks because, all, product and I called it, the the change the product change. Let's say, to put bread on your table, to put milk on your table, or meat or vegetables, all these chains have been financed, and they have cost of interest. And they pass it to the next one in the chain, and in the end, the consumer pays 50%.
While we were paying in the middle ages 10% to the church, and we thought that was too much. Now we are now paying 50% without knowing it. Yeah. So the basic problem, we have, in this war from the the bankers against the people is the money system. And that's not affected at all or in discussion at all in the multipower world.
It's just taken as a given. So that means there is no fundamental change, in this new multipolar world. So apart from the control system they want to install, which they think it's fine. Yeah. It's it's it's it's the the the most horrible enslavement, that humanity has ever if they succeed, it's will be the most horrible enslavement that humanity has ever seen.
Yeah. I mean, as as you said, I can't find any other reason. I think some of them are paid, and they avoid this subject completely. And, really, I don't understand. And and some of the people who believe in it, I think they will find out long term, when they start being restricted that it's not a good good idea.
And, you know, Simon Dixon, who you mentioned earlier, I just found it interesting where he says, you know, they're now focusing on the global South. They're gonna invest in and build up the multipolar world. But he I don't know if you noticed, he was more optimistic. He had some sort of optimism. And maybe initially, you know, people's lives in the global South might become better.
Right? Because there's they're gonna be more money. But I think, I don't know how he remains so optimistic because long term, he said that the the Black Rocks are gonna do the same they're gonna implement the same systems in India and then and, you know, China and the rest of the world that they did to the West, these vampire extractive models. So I don't understand how he was so, optimistic. He he he, he correctly identifies, tendencies in in in on world level, but, yeah, he has still on, like, an establishment view, I think, on on on on on the world.
And while while you and I share a very different view that it it the the the whole system is is is corrupted, and and the whole system is leading us in yeah. What what's the word for it? It to that end, I would, I would say. I mean, we would be they're trying to separate us from from our our families, from our societies, from our countries, from our from our from nature. From ourselves, from humanity.
Right? All this artificial intelligence and and and it's it's a it's a war against nature. It's it's, they want to put up something better than nature. Nature isn't sufficient. And and nature, for us is what, although we have different religious convictions, but it's what god gave us, I would say.
That is not enough for them. They they want to improve that because they want to control it. And and, you know, for me, the biggest topic, I don't know, for you is this digital prison you wrote in one of your pieces recently, you know, the rollout of the many decades old global digital prison plan to control and coerce all humans individually. The digi the this digi gulag, as you call it, an energy guzzling high-tech control grid tested and approved in China is now on installed under a shiny new brand, Stargate, right, in the West. And so for me, that is the biggest topic.
And it because it's like it's the end of the road. It's the end game. After that, there's nothing else. No? But, the the quest the big question is, is this really viable?
Can I really, do it? I mean, it's so vulnerable. We saw one or two weeks ago, maybe many people have already forgotten, that Spain had this electricity problem. Yeah. So once you have everything in an electronic system and you have no electricity, the whole everything stops.
Yeah. And if it is for only one days or two, you can survive it. If it is a if it is a week and you can't buy anything, you can't sell anything, then it it becomes, dangerously contagious. So so maybe people will wake up, and maybe we will have an EMP and electromagnetic pulse event, a natural one. It's comes from the sun.
It has happened earlier. It happened in the nineteenth century. The karacton event, if if it would happen, with this whole new new system installed, if it would repeat itself, it would be out of function for at least six months. So then the whole thing is disappears. Yeah.
I guess we'll, find out. Although if people do if the electricity goes out in some places like the Black House in Spain, I I don't think the elites will care because, that will be depopulation, so they'll be happy. Right? Well, they will be in their little enclaves of city states with their own backup generators, and everything's functioning norm normally for them. But, you know They're they're underground facilities.
Have you seen, kept them also in fits? Yeah. I saw that. About the, underground infrastructure in The United States? Yeah.
I I don't, I mean, I don't think they even have to be underground. I'm sure that stuff exists, but I just envision that these elites have enclaves in, you know, different countries and different parts of different countries and, you know, gated communities with private security where no one it's hard to get to them. And then and and their their compounds there, they've got, you know, power systems and and and all that sort of stuff. So There is, there is hope on the one side, and there is, yeah, if it's a very threatening project on, on the other side. So wars will states wars will will will probably diminish.
Israel will probably cease to exist as a as a apartheid state. It will become Palestine. But then, I don't know if Zionism will cease to exist. But do do you think the State of Israel you don't think that there will remain a state of Israel at all? Yeah.
I think it's very probable that it will become Palestine. This is what Simon Dixon says. He already declared victory. I'm not so positive. But, yeah, the state of Israel had a function under the previous paradigm, yeah, which was a war inducing faith in the twentieth century under American leadership.
That's now disappearing, and we get, Chinese faith, and they are not interested at all in this this crazy this this crazy wars and genocides. They they just want to invest and and produce and have cheap laborers, of course, too. So it stops. It probably it probably stops the war, but it will not stop the the global domination project. Wars are also being fought in different ways now.
C o two is a war. COVID is a war. Yeah. It's not but the military war, will probably be reduced a lot. It won't be the main it won't remain the main the main method.
Yeah. Yeah. No. That that that's a perfect point. I often bring up the 1967 report from Iron Mountain where they say war is the best way of controlling society.
We want this world state, but effectively, we need to find a way to get to that world state to replace the method of war. And I think what you're outlining is that's one of the as they shift away from, you know, the old tanks and bombs types of wars, they are, what do you call it, replacing it with c o two, health threats, so on and so forth. So it's the same, methods, but just a different, more nonviolent way of of doing it now. In fact, the war has been going on, constantly for five hundred years, on the spiritual level, on many levels. But in the twentieth century, the the military war became very prominent.
But that's that's probably over now. They they will find other other alternatives to make money and even make more money than from war. You brought up Israel. We were gonna talk about this after our first, interview. I I know people are interested in this topic.
Although, I don't think your view, is what people hoped it would be when it comes to, the Jews. And, let let's talk about that because you wrote an article a while back titled, the project for world domination is not Jewish nor is it American. And just before getting your thoughts on that, I wanted to share this clip that I came across recently. And this is an interview with William I Robinson, who I've interviewed on the podcast. He's a socialist, communist, which I fully disagree with, but his analysis is amazing.
When he talks about the global police states and global civil war, and I'm only halfway through this interview. I don't know this guy's name, the the host of of the interview, but they talk about the juice. And I think his and their view, I think it agrees with yours as well as mine. So I'm just gonna play this clip of for for a few seconds. I think you can hear it.
The investment of Saudi Arabia reminds me of this, and and I wanna go back to an I wanna go back even further just for a second of what you're talking about. Morgan Stanley. Okay. We've seen this happen before during the rise of the Third Reich. The funders, the ones who financed Adolf Hitler, JPMorgan Chase, the Warburgs, the Warburgs were Jewish, Jewish bankers.
Exactly. They financed Hitler. Did it matter that they were Jewish? It obviously doesn't fucking matter because they were the elites. They were Jewish capitalist elites financing a Christian capital elite to massacre Jews and Christian poor people.
And so we get tangled up in this, like, oh, the Jews run the world. Look. It's the it's like, no. It's the elite Jews. It's the elite Christians.
It's the elite atheists. It's the elite Muslims fucking over all the poor groups in their own, and they're using their identity as cover and as a hegemony, as a buffer zone. So the Warburgs, the all the the bankers who might be Jewish or all the banker or all the the, the the sheiks who are Muslim, they'll use their identity as a buffer zone for them. Precisely and exactly. I mean, again, you're hitting the nail on the head here.
If I may Would you agree with that? Meeze, what are your thoughts on the the Jews around the world? At first, I'd yes. But it's it's rather complicated. Well, we have been going for an hour and a half.
If it's if it's fine for you, we we can go we can continue because it's it's, not a very short story. In my book, I I quote Ravi Moshe Schonfeld, who was an European, Rabbi, who saw how the Zionist committed treason, and he concluded in his book, Holocaust Victims Accuse that the Zionist wolf was appointed by beast of prey, which, are the Jewish bankers, to serve as shepherd for a flock of Jewish sheep. Yeah. And this are you saying the same thing? I mean, the or similar a similar thing.
So where where could I start? If you want to analyze this problem with the Jews, you have to go back a long time, probably three thousand years, with the Phoenician empire, which was very, attractive in the Mediterranean area, in the Black Sea area. They were traders, international traders between Asia and Europe, accumulated lots of capital and invested it in colonies, city states on the coast of the of the, Mediterranean Sea. They also established, the city of Carthage, I say Carthage, on the North African coast of the Mediterranean, which became one of the biggest and richest citizens cities in the world. They also established, like, six hundred years before Christ, the, the city the Spanish city of Cadiz.
They also went to Scandinavia. They also went to Germany. They also went to the British Isles. And they were very, very successful in setting up an empire through trade, you know, which was very influential. And probably the European aristocracy and the Venetian aristocracy comes from the Phoenicians.
Now the Phoenicians and the Jews at the at the time were almost indistinguishable. So they had the same language, the same writing, how you say it, the same because the Phoenicians were the inventors of the alphabet we still use, and they have the same religions with Baal and and so on. Now this changed when, in February in Alexandria, Egypt, but it was part of the Macedonian empire which had had been established by Alexander the Great. It was governed by king Ptolemais the second at that time. He, invited a team of US expert to write a bible.
And I know this will be difficult for you to to accept, at first sight, But, he is very is the the the researcher who found out this is called Russell American, and he has a website and lots of discussions. And and and he is a very serious, scholar. So, he says that the Bible was, written according to Plato's model, state. And Plato had written a model from how was for how a state should be organized for new Greek colonies. So he had said, you need a mythology, a gripping mythology.
So the people can believe that their ancestors, etcetera, etcetera, always respected these rules, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So in his, he analyzed the Bible, and he analyzed Plato's books on this and found an enormous number of similarities and concluded that this plateau plateau model had been used in the bible. So the the but we don't know who financed this or whose idea it was to separate the Jews through a mythology from the Phoenicians. At a time when the Phoenicians were, being under were were under threat, And it was only a few years later that the big city of Carthage was, destroyed by by the Romans. I think that was a hundred and sixty four before Christ.
The Bible project was two hundred and seventy years. I think it was even closer. So you see then that the Jews are fed, to say so, a mythology that says that they are the rule will be become the rulers of the world because their god is a envious word, I think, God that wants them to succeed and control the others. And and, yeah, from there, we see how the Jews go to all the colonies also of the Phoenicians and become settled in financial positions. And later on become, important partners in the global domination project where we had three five hundred years ago, we had three, groups, Venetian oligarchs, bankers, rich traders.
The same for the city of, Genoa, Genoa, how it's in English, and the Sephardic Jews that were expelled from Spain. They went together and started preparing this global nomination project that I described. And then they, financed Holland to become independent from Spain. They financed Cromwell, so he could kill the British king, and they could return to England, but they hadn't been for three hundred sixty five years since they were expelled. And so they set up this Dutch egomonial state, followed by the British agamonial state, followed by the American agamonial states that was, set up in the nineteenth century starting from about 1930.
They were the the Jewish bankers were sending people to The United States. One of the first was, August Belmont. That was his nickname. He was Schoenberg. August Schoenberg.
Was it Schoenberg translated to, English would be beautiful mountain, and to France is Belmont. Always Belmont. And then Jacob Chief and other the Barkers brothers. No. Well, one one mostly one.
It was Paul Warburg that was sent to United States. He was very, essential in the FET project, the the federal bank, which was established in 1913. Mark Swarbrick stayed in Germany, was an adviser for the Kaiser, and even stayed during Hitler's rule until 1938 or so, and then went to The United States. So it seems that the Jews were chosen by people who wanted global domination already, like, two thousand three hundred years ago. They were given a mythology, the the the Bible, which are the first Bible books.
I'm not saying that all these everything in these bible books is an invention. I mean, there are also, like, universal values with which you can find there because for example, that the earth and the universe were created by a god. I I subscribe to that. So there's a mix of of values and and views plus invented histories to put the Jews on a path that they could be used for the purposes of this global domination project. And one of the first, dramas in the after the Middle Ages or or in 1492 in Spain was that the Jews were banned from Spain under a lot of violence.
And and we now know that, the finances of Spain at that moment were controlled by the Genoese Genoese bankers. And my speculation is that they influenced this. The Jews had been very successful in Spain. There were maybe 300 or 400,000 of them in Spain occupying, important positions. It was a very successful group, and they were shown up because the leaders of the project were fed up with Spain and wanted to go on with Holland and England.
And where did the Spanish and later Portuguese Jews go? Lots of them went to Holland and England where they were needed. So it is like a group of, decision makers is moving the Jews to a new, place where they are needed. And this is not the only, example. We also have the programs in Russia, and that was also largely staged.
And where did they go then? To The United States. Because at that point, The United States, this was around the end of the nineteenth century, start of the twentieth century. United States was, it's being set up as the new hegemon. So they needed their Jews in The United States.
And then Hitler, throw out the Jews. And where did they go? To Israel because that was a project of the same people. Now they moved their Jews over the world, committing enormous damage and and many deaths, of course, in the process. And and and that is how the Jews have been duped over the centuries to to be in places where the controllers of this project wanted them.
So it is in the end a project that was very negative for the Jews. And then they when they put them in Palestine, it was under the pretext of here you will lead a normal life. Here, you will have peace finally because all these peoples in the rest of the world hate us for some reason. Yeah. They never well, this matter.
So and that was a lie, of course, because Israel the roadshows set up Israel as a war state. Yeah. And the roadshow were were not interested in Judaism at all. When the Rothschild, built these, enormous costly buildings of, what is it called? The Jewish high court and another building.
They filled these buildings with, symbolism. You know which symbolism it was? Masonic? Or It was purely Masonic. It was pyramids and all that.
Never is nothing due, Judaism, all Masonic. They wanted a secular Masonic state, and they got it. And then because all the problems that this war state caused, they were constantly attacked and and then the Jews dehumanized. This was described by Dutch Dutchman, Hajyo what was his second name? He worked as a director for a laboratory for for the Ministry of Phillips in in Rome.
He he he he saw he he he was in the concentration camp as a boy. He saw how the Germans dehumanized, and then he saw how the Israelis dehumanized in the same way. And we now know that, let's say 90% of the Jews has been so dehumanized because manipulations by the controls of this project that they want, all Palestinians killed, Children, pregnant women, women, civilians, everybody, doctors, nurses. Kill them. Kill them.
Kill them. Yeah. So they've driven the myth. If you and I had been reared in in Israel, we were we I I think we would be we're doing the same because it's a it's a do dehumanizing, it's a social engineering project in what's in which the end is to dehumanize the population. So I don't know if this is more or less clear.
But And and so your view that, just in the present age, I mean, you you think that, the Israel will lose its stature, and the position? Yes. Yes. Yes. Because you can already see how Trump is separating himself, from Israel.
He didn't visit. He just saw the Arabian countries didn't visit Israel. It would be a big shame. It would have been a big shame years ago. They probably the Israelis still see it like this.
So he's announcing, guys, top discretion is, we need to do business. And that and all the Arabian the Arabian coalition, how is it called? There's a name. And Simon Dixon used it. The Abraham Accords or the, government?
Well, the it's the group of, Arabian countries led by Saudi Arabia. GCC now. Yeah. GT. Yeah.
It's something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So they want to invest their money. They want to profit from their money.
They want projects, and they want Israel, to be part of it. Israel is in a very strategic place. Now the war module model no. Not module. Now the war model of the twentieth century is being faded out.
You get an investment model. Yeah? So Israel has to drastically change. There's no future for this war war war war war, more and more war. It's it's over.
It's it's it's going to be ended. It it belong to a certain paradigm, and that paradigm is disappearing. Yeah. I mean and people talk about that letter from was it Pike? No.
Mazzini. There's no source for it, but the idea seems to be being applied that there would be a third world war as a way to discredit the ancient faiths, so then they can move towards this world state. And that kinda rhymes with what you're saying where they these atrocities are being committed. And I I've posited that whoever is running, you know, many of the world's what the western countries, Israel, they just seem to be doing it in such an exaggerated, aggressive way. I mean, the atrocities that are being committed by all, you know, the these western governments, almost clownish clownishly as a way to sort of discredit them and move towards this new model that you're talking about, which will be less war, but more technocracy, more investment, but more technocracy, you know, more of these different methods, insidious means of control, the green agenda, the the health agenda, and that way be able to construct their world state.
And, you know, I I I will add that I have to remind people, although I would think that I I shouldn't need to remind people, but I have to be given the comments that I always receive that, you know, the geopolitics empire podcast is like a thought experiment. We conduct thought experiments on this podcast. I speak with all kinds of people, that I do not, fully agree with or or I agree with a lot. You know, with with me's mice, I think, you know, we agree probably 75 plus percent of stuff. And, I just, you know, I would just politely agree to disagree on the bible aspect because I believe, you know, the bible is the inspired word of God.
Although, putting that aside, the rest of what you said, that trajectory, I think there can be, you know, there could be truth there. And I think it's important that, you know, to hear to hear these things out. So, I think we would just agree to disagree on on on some things. But, you know, we're we're hearing your thought experiment, and I think those are, important because I haven't really heard it said the way that you have from other people. So, you know, any other thoughts or or conclusions?
Because we've sort of gotten an update from you, and and basically you're saying that they're moving away from the war paradigm. And I I guess effectively shifting us to this multipolar digi gulag or or global digital prison. So any other thoughts? Well, basically no. Basically, that that that's it.
I mean so, yeah, we are given hope on the one side, and on the other side, we are being, being enslaved more and more. Herded like cattle. Yes. Farmers is a is a term I I use quite often in my book. It's the they they these people, they see planet Earth or let me say it this way.
Our god given planet Earth as their private property where they decide what's what's going to happen, and that includes humanity. But they they decide on the future of humanity, not humanity itself. So that is, against all principles, of freedom, democracy, morality. It's the purest form of fascism where the ones that own everything decide everything. And that's what is difficult for many people to to understand, grab.
So they decide how many people will live on this earth, and then they're preparing themselves to to take measures to get it. And and any thoughts on what what is to be done? You know, my primary purpose here is exploring to figuring out where are we, what's going on. You know? And sometimes I I don't have all of the solutions, but it's you know, people ask me every day.
I was off the record messaging with someone today and then they're asking me, you know, Mexico, do you see people waking up? And I unfortunately do not see enough people coming to their senses. They, you know, it's like Aldo Huxley talked about Soma in Brave New World. People are on drugs, and I use that broadly, you know, fast food, GMO, you know, the the digital cocaine, the Netflixes, the Amazons, the everything. And nobody, like, I can't find like, in my physical world, I can find I I mean, there are people.
I I do have friends. We we we meet online, in person, but by and large, I do not see people waking up. So so your thoughts on that, and then what is to be done? K. Before I answer that, just a little addition to the this story of the Jews.
Mhmm. The Jew so what I'm saying is, in fact, the Jews have been duped and abused, yeah, by their leaders, which pretend they are Jews. But as it is said in the bible, but who are liars, yeah, and belong to the synagogue of Satan. Yeah. So the roadshows are seen by the Jews as more or less Jewish kings.
And what I'm saying is they just pretend to be Jewish because they want the collaboration of the Jews. And it the story of the second World War where the same Jews financed Hitler shows us that they are have no problem at all of killing a few million of their, of the people. They are they are ruthless totally. So that's the argument I have against the people that say it's the Jews, and it's the Jews. And and, yes, if you study this this history, It's many, many, many, many Jews.
And many Jews saying, we are the ones that want to control the world on top of that. But in the end, it's, what I just explained. They are disposable, useful idiots for the people that are in power. So that's one thing. And then what can we do?
Yeah. The point Be be be before maybe just one last point on that. Would you say because we referenced a lot of people who have names, you know, you you call them the predators, mister global, Catherine Austin Fisk. Shahid Balson calls them the what is it? The OCGFC.
I like to use Mark Passio's term, the the occultocracy. So would you sort of say that that's a more accurate description that we are ruled by this Morpheus group, which is you can call predators, occultocracy. I also I also use another name, derived from global mafia, glafia. And then, Paul, uses criminocracy. That's a very long word.
So is a short word and and has this association with mafia. So but, yeah, we are talking mostly about the same people. Paul Kudonek has, ultimately is using Zim, which is Zionist. Imperial mafia or something. I don't remember.
No. I but no. I I'm saying Zionism is a is a scam. A scam for the Jews who participate in it. They were misled.
They were abused. They fall in the trap of Israel. And Israel, the land of Israel, the land land land, made them forget everything about their religion, their culture, etcetera. It it it it it it made them mad. It's like poking, fighting dogs when they're in a cage, and they are they got dehumanized.
And now it is after the October 7, it was set up, it was staged. It it is becoming clear to to the people of the world that this is untenable. We can't permit this anymore. It's it's totally crazy how imagine that Muslims were doing this to Jews. I mean, it it it it's the it is it's the end of Israel.
But they have, their, they have their fallback projects, and one is in Argentina, but I don't see many of them go. There is probably also a small fallback project here in Costa Rica. They have tried it earlier, and they've, lately build up bought up many properties here, also with housing for for for many people. And there is, of course, Ukraine, which people like Yurydowska think one of the main reasons for the war in Ukraine is that, the Jews want it as a fallback option after Israel ceases to exist. And then the question is, will Ukrainians be the new Palestinian?
Alright. And and just, I guess, getting back to, I guess, the final thought, what, you know, what what do we do with everything that's I know the the only answer I have is make people aware. But, yeah, it's very difficult to to make people aware if they have been spoon fed, this certain narrative to during their whole lives from all sides. The TV says it. The the newspaper says it.
The neighbor says it. The politics politician confirmed it. And then somebody says, no. You have been fooled. Yeah.
They can't get their their yeah. And with work, very difficult to to to change it. Alright. Well, we've we've gotten our second update, from Mace. We did I don't think we have enough time, but I urge people to go to your Substack to read your commentary on the virus, no virus issue.
I I'm with you. I'm fully with you on that position. I don't know if you wanted to we save that for another time or if you wanna comment. No. What what I found out really is it's a it's a child also.
Or in other words, it's like a social engineering project where people create, let's say, an alternative no viruses exist, which is a theoretical dead end, which is ridiculous. It has never been so never never seen before that they they show the whole body of all biological and related epidemical epidemiological and and no. Name it. They show it all out out of the window, the baby with the bathwater because they have defined diagnostic method for viruses, it it is impossible. No virus can be claimed to exist because no virus can be diagnosed with this impossible method.
So it's crazy. It's crazy. And you see, even when you analyze their books, do they systematically mislead and falsify the information that they find in other sources? I mean, it's it's it's it's very clear to me it's. There are no direct, proof for this.
I mean, there is no check from from mister Global to doctor Cohen, to prove this, but there can't be another explanation. It's bad. It's You can only make so many mistakes when you write a book. And if every, citation you make from a from a paper has a falsification in it, then it's really an enterprise based on bad faith. It's deceit.
It's deceit. Yeah. And it's it's, it's surprising how many people fall for it. So surprising. And they they they sell it as, like, the whole COVID hoax was based on the existence of a virus.
So, to attack them, it's very useful that we all say that viruses don't exist. So their argument falls. They used some way some social engineering technique to get these people parroting, what they say. Yeah. Well, that's that's, you know, Yeah.
I I just I can't yeah. Well, I'll get a few comments to hear, but I just I don't see it. I just haven't been able to see it, and I've had direct experiences. We all have, and I'm not gonna discard it. Oh, no.
They say, oh, you can't use that as a evidence. Like, no. Yeah. I can. You know?
And I've given specific examples where people around me, you know, in almost instantly got ill, with influenza, like, or whatever, illnesses. And I'm not gonna go over that story again. But they've never given a satisfactory no one I've told these stories to can give a satisfactory alternative explanation of that mechanism of the contagion phenomena. They'll just spot out and say, oh, it's five g. No.
It's not five g. Oh, it's GMO. Like, how do we all get simultaneously? You know, we weren't poisoned. Or they'll say it's frequencies.
I'm like, okay. Explain that. Can you, you know, isolate the frequencies and show me how that got half a dozen people sick, within the same hour or day or whatever, and they haven't been able to explain it. But, again, I I also just additionally, to what you write about and others, I've added this point, which few people have pointed out except myself, that virtually all of the I haven't found any Christian novirus er, basically. And if there is, it's like so maybe a handful.
It's a very small minority, and most of the novirus er are very new agey anti Christian. And, you know, the bible talks about plague and pestilence. So it's kind of I find it as one way to insidiously attack, you know, faith. And then you add the flat earth stuff as well. That's like a second.
You you've referenced that as a psyop. I think it is too. And that's another way also of attacking, I think. More proof in the in the the that it's that it's, CIA, finance, etcetera, than in in. But I I I I didn't notice noticed this, what you just said about, Christians not going into the the no no virus theory.
Yeah. And then the only one that I knew, he got back out of it. I think he was for a while, no virus, and then ultimately he said, no. This is doesn't make any sense. And so but anyways, that's the story for, another day.
If you got any other final thought, and then your links are always in the description. If people haven't gotten your book, I recommend it. They can get it. Is the best place to find you, on your Substack? Yes.
Yes. Yeah. It's the only place. I I I I'm not another other social media. Alright.
Well, check out, I think if people subscribe, if they go to the there's this I'll I'll include the link. But if they become a a certain level subscriber on your substack, they get access to the PDF of your book. You will include also the link to this interview which you briefly showed? Yeah. Yeah.
I'll include that as well. So so, I guess, No. As they say. That's that's what they in Costa Rica say. And after the story I told you, about this baby, it was just born and the police was summoned to the hospital when we arrived in Costa Rica Thirty Seven Years ago.
The the slogan here was, where there is one Costa Rican, there is democracy. And, apparently, somebody from Uruguay who visited the country had said so, and everybody was repeating it. But it's very sad to see that it is a country completely controlled up. The shape of things to come, I guess. So Well, thank you very much for the opportunity,
