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Review of Podcast: Former 33rd Degree Mason Reveals the Darkest Secrets of Freemasonry
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                  The Transformative Love of Jesus
                          From The Darkness of Freemasonary to Redemptive Light

In a profound journey through spiritual darkness, Bill Sneblin’s testimony underscores the unparalleled power of Jesus’ love to redeem and transform even the most fractured lives. Once entangled in Freemasonry, Satanism, and Mormonism, Sneblin’s path illuminates the stark contrast between false doctrines and the liberating truth of Christ.

Key Themes:

Persuasive Conclusion:
Sneblin’s journey exemplifies Jesus’ boundless love—a love that pierces darkness, heals brokenness, and demands wholehearted allegiance. His plea to those in spiritual deception is urgent: Reject paths of power, ritual, or false light. Trust instead in the Savior who “is the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). For professionals and seekers alike, this narrative reaffirms that Christ’s love transcends past sins, offering hope, deliverance, and eternal purpose.

“If anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” (2 Corinthians 5:17).

Key Takeaways from the Podcast

This list prioritizes theological truths, warnings about spiritual deception, and practical steps for redemption, concluding with broader societal implications.

50 Glossary Terms from the Source Material

This glossary captures key terms from Sneblin’s testimony, emphasizing Freemasonry, Satanism, Mormonism, and Christian deliverance. Each term is contextualized within the source material’s narrative.


TRANSCRIPT OF PODCAST
I was like the youngest guy in the lodge by twenty years. And this guy comes forward and he says, we're gonna lead you through this oath. But it's this long involved and ultimately blood curdling oath. What none of these men understand is that deep down inside there's this very dark evil energy. I would go up to these guys that have been in the Scottish Rite forever and I'd say, okay, I'm now a sublime prince of the royal secret.

So what's the royal secret? And, again, this is something that probably only one in a thousand masons in America understands. Is it the royal secret? Hello, and welcome back to the Almost False podcast where I interview regular people with with incredible stories. Today's guest is someone who has explored the darkest levels of spirituality, one of them being Freemasonry.

He became a thirty third degree Mason, was part of high level secret societies, and he is not afraid to share what he's not supposed to talk about. So I took this opportunity to ask him as much as I could in the limited time that we had. No matter how much you know or don't know about Freemasonry, I can almost guarantee you that you'll learn a lot from this interview as everything that is shared here is in some way related to it. Get ready to have your mind blown by mister Bill Sneblin as he shares a dark journey that him and his wife took and the unsettling things that they uncovered along the way. When I got to college and, again, I wanted to be a priest.

I went this is a minor seminary college, Loris College. At the time, it was a minor seminary. It isn't anymore. I had a priest in my theology class who had a doctorate in theology, and he was teaching a course in Christology because, again, I was wanting to be a priest. And he took me aside and he said, if you wanna be a priest in the Catholic church, it's taught, you know, The priest is another Christ.

So if you wanna be like and he's and I he says to me, do you wanna be like Christ? And I says, well, of course. Doesn't every Christian wanna be like Christ? He said, well, if you wanna be like Christ, you need to do what Christ did. And again, that made sense.

And, again, you know, nowadays, we've kinda become suspicious about priests. But this is, like, 1968, and a priest was like God. I mean, whatever the priest said, that was it. You know? And he said, well, if you wanna be like Christ, then you do what he did.

And he went to the East and studied with the gurus in India. He went and studied with the lamas in Tibet. He went to Egypt and studied with the magicians there. That's how he was able to do, to raise the dead, to walk on water, and do all these miracles. So he says, what you need to do is you need to start studying the occult.

And this is a priest telling me this. And so I thought, okay. Now mind you, you know, this is obviously decades before there was an Internet. I mean, there was a little bookstore downtown, and I I went there and I found a few scattering books unlike the occult. And I found this book that was called, Diary of a Witch by Cybele Leek.

And she was one of the very first witches to totally speak come out of the broom closet. She was a British woman, and, she was a medium. And, anyhow, I read the book, and she was asserting in the book that witches were not evil, that this was an ancient pagan mystery religion. Among other things, she claimed that Jesus was a witch and his 12 apostles were his coven along with their their wives. You know?

So I kind of bought into that. And I wrote to I found out about this guy, Alex Sanders, who was the supposed king of the witches over in London. I sent him a letter. This is around nineteen sixty eight, sixty nine. And, his wife sent me back a thing.

Okay. Here's a coven in Rockford, Illinois, which is about ninety minutes from Dubuque. I went there and I got initiated as a witch. And then later on, I hooked up with, an Alexandrian coven in Boston, and I was made a witch high priest. Started covens in, first of all, in Dubuque where I was, and then moved to Milwaukee because there was a fellow there who, had an occult bookstore, you know, because Milwaukee is a huge city.

And, he said, I've got all these people that wanna become witches. Can you come and teach them? When we're talking about, like, you being in a covenant, you doing witchcraft, I just wanna make sure that we don't skip over that part. Like, what kind of witchcraft are we talking about? Because I you know, there's a lot of It was it was okay.

Witchcraft originally you know, the kind of publicly available witchcraft was originally started by Gerald Gardner, and he came out witchcraft became legal in England. It was a crime until 1951. It was made legal, and he claimed and all this is disputed, but he claimed that he came in contact with the ancient covenant of witches in the New Forest region of England. They initiated him and then made him a high priest, and he went off and initiated other people. Then there's this other bunch, this Alexander's fellow.

He also claims to have been initiated by a ancient line of witches by his grandmother. So those were the two main fountainheads of witchcraft in the sixties. Both were from England, but both had, you know, spread to America. And it was white witchcraft. Both groups, their rituals were virtually identical.

And, but the the Alexandrian group that I was in was more into ceremonial magic, which is, like, kind of if you know in, like, Protestantism, they have the distinction between high church and low church. Well, Alexandrian is more high church witchcraft, but we didn't believe in the devil. We didn't think we were worshiping the devil. We thought we were worshiping a goddess, a moon goddess, and a foreign god. So it was like, ditheism, if you will, two two deities.

And, we didn't believe in demons. We just believed that it was all this nature airy fairy, you know, gathering herbs in the forest and dancing in the nude. And, you know, it all sounds very innocent, except there's especially in the Alexander, right, there's also some sex magic that's involved. So does that kinda answer your question? Yes.

Yes. Thank you for clarifying. I just wanted to make sure that we got that coverage. Actually, let's go back to the old bookstore that you were talking about, and let's pick up the story from there. Well, so, anyway, I mean so we hooked up with Estella.

In in the basement of the store, we would hold these classes. They were packed because there were all these people. And, again, this is kinda this is 1972. And, you know, there was all these people that are kinda like quasi hippies, and they wanted to get into the occult magic and blah blah blah. The other thing that happened at the same time is that we encountered this fellow called Eli, who was a grand master druid of North America.

And druids are a little bit different than witches. This kinda like the difference between being a Baptist and being a Methodist. You know? And we were invited down to Arkansas, which is where this fella lived. He had lived on top of a mountain.

He had kind of a a, what do you call it, organic farm there. And we we went through the whole summer, got all this occult training. We were, you know, high priests in Druidism by the time we got done. At one point, I understand, this fellow that owned the occult bookstore, he was kind of a manipulative guy who was very and he was older than me, very cunning. He told me he took me aside, and he said, you know, if you really wanna understand magic, you need to read this book.

And he handed me the satanic bible by Anton LaVey. And I said, well, why would I wanna read the satanic bible? Witches don't believe in Satan. And he said, well, just read the book. And his, LeVay's, contention was that magic is really about Satan, but Satan is like an archetype, he said.

There is no real Satan, but it's like an energy, egregore, an archetype that you can draw upon. And it kinda made sense to me. And, again, the devil was gradually pulling me in. Like, the whole thing about the the camel getting its nose in a tent, before you know it, the camel's in there. So I wrote the Church of Satan, which at that time was in San Francisco.

I became a member, a first degree member. And then later on, I I went through some exams and studies, and I became a warlock, which was a second degree, member of the Church of Satan. And at this also, I should say this because this is critical. This this Eli guy, the grand druid down in Arkansas, he gave us two words of advice. First of all, he said, if you really wanna understand Luciferian energy, you need to join the Freemasonic order.

And he himself was a thirty third degree mason. He showed me his little certificate that you get. He also told me that if you ever felt like we were in deep spiritual trouble, that I should join the Mormon church because it was a church that had been started by witches for witches that we could hang out in and pretend to be nice. You know, the you know the image of the Mormon church. They're they're straight, nice, wonderful, all American people with with happy families and white picket fences and, you know, all of that.

But secretly, they believe almost the same doctrines of witches believe. And we can get into that if you want, but, anyhow so he gave us that advice. Again, this is in the early seventies. So I joined the Masonic Lodge, became a master mason at the same time as I was a Satanist and a witch. And only our inner circle of the witches that we we've by this time, we've initiated over a hundred witches.

And, only our inner circle knew that we were also Satanists. And we were continuing in this, and I finally figured out that there was a deeper level of Satanism. And I got in touch with some of them. And, again, there was no Internet. We had to do all this by mail and whatnot.

And there was a group in Michigan called the Order of the Black Ram, which is like more hardcore satanic stuff. There was another group in Chicago called The Brotherhood, and I got involved with them because they were closer because Milwaukee is just up the road about 90 miles from Chicago. And I got really I I mean, I sold my soul to the devil. That's how deep I got into this stuff. Yeah.

Before we actually get to that part, I wanna make sure to take some time to talk about Freemasonry because Freemasonry, it's very rare to actually talk about for to talk to former masons because it's something that you're not supposed to talk about. So it's kind of an opportunity while I have you here, to kind of for me personally, to learn, but also for the people to kinda have a knowledge about what Freemasonry is. You said that you became a master mason. Can you explain how the degrees and the lodges are set up in Freemasonry so people actually understand what we're talking about? Well, they're okay.

The the basic thing is what's called the Blue Lodge, and that consists of three degrees, Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason. A lot of masons never go any further than that. I did. But, basically, it's like an initiatory process. The requirements are you have to at that time now mind you, this was I think I joined in '75.

You had to be a man, freeborn, of good report, and well recommended. So they ask you if you believe in god, and I said, yes. I did. And I didn't they didn't ask which god I believed in. They just, can you do you believe in god?

And I said yes. I didn't tell them that the god I believed in had horns. So, anyhow, I went through the there's this whole process. You do a lot of memory work, they call it. You memorize all of these ritual things.

You have a mentor who's called your poster, who's an older mason. And the guy that I had was a real very kind guy, an executive in the the power company. I can't remember the name of the company. And he helped me memorize all this stuff. And then you go to second degree, and then you have a whole bunch of stuff to memorize it.

Just let me touch this briefly because people ask me, well, at what point does Masonry start to look creepy? I mean, because there's tons of Christians under Masons, literally thousands of them. And I I just asked them, how can you do that? I mean, because when you start out as a mason, they make you you come to the lodge. They make you take off all your clothes except your undies.

They put you in this, like, jammies. They're like, well, like, they're like pajamas. They're like typically, the one knee is bare and one breast is bare. Your left breast. I mean, I think your right knee.

And you're blindfolded. You have a cable around your neck. It's like a a they call it a cable toe. It's like a velvet blue rope. And you're tied up, and you're led to the door of the lodge.

And you've got a guy leading you because, of course, you're blindfolded. He knocks on the door and somebody on this is all ritualized. And the guy on the other side says, who comes here? And your guy who's guiding you, who's a lodge officer, he says, mister Bill Sceglen, who has been long in darkness, excuse me, and now seeks to be brought to light to receive the rights and benefits of the worship lodge, erected to God as all, members have done before. And I asked mister Christian, mister pastor, mister elder, because there's like, it used to be, I don't know if it still is, it used to be 40% of the pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention were freemasons.

And how can you say that you're in darkness when you have Jesus in your heart? You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And then that's not it.

You go into the lodge. You're led around, like, what they call it circumambulation. You walk around the lodge. They have these officers, the junior warden, the senior warden at the different, you know, things of the compass. And in the East is the worshipful master who's like the big big cheese.

Then you're made to kneel at this altar. Again, you're still blindfolded. And you're made to you're made to understand that you're putting your hands on this huge it's like a pulpit Bible, you know, big King James Bible. And this guy comes forward, this worshipable master, and he says, you know, we're gonna lead you through this oath. And I'm not gonna go through the whole oath.

It's gonna take, like, five minutes, but it's this long, involved, and ultimately blood curdling oath. At the end, you say you you swear the essence of the oath is to keep the secrets of an Entered Apprentice Mason, which, of course, I'm violating right now. And then at the end, you swear that if I should ever reveal the secrets of an Entered Apprentice Mason, though I I swear that I will have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots and buried in the sands of the sea where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this, my Entered Apprentice obligation. So help me, God, and keep me steadfast to the due performance of the saint. Now if you were a Christian pastor or whatever, wouldn't that kind of raise the hair on the back of your neck?

Yeah. I think it was raised to the head on the back of the necks of pretty much most people just to hear that. Yeah. And then, at that point, the worshipable master says, my brother, in your current situation, what do you most desire? And then the guy that's with you, this that he's a senior warden, says, light whispers it in your ear, and I say light.

And then they remove the blindfold, and you see before you this big open bible with a square and compass on it. And it those are the represent the three great lights of masonry, the bible, the square, and the compass. And then they are revealed by the three lesser lights of masonry, which are three burning tapers that are adjacent to the altar. Now that's the most mild initiation. From there on, they get more and more creepy.

So I don't know how deep you wanna go into this, but, basically, masonry is an antichrist thing. It claims it's not religious, but it is. You know, they play around with it because they say, oh, well, we're just religious, but we're not a religion. Because if they're if they were a religion, then if you were already a Christian, you shouldn't join another religion. Most Christians would say that.

Like, if you're a Christian, you wouldn't become a Buddhist. Right. Well, masonry is a religion. I mean, it has all the qualities. That's what I tell people.

If you look at Webster's dictionary, there's three things that make something a religion according to Webster. Number one, Sunning has a belief in some sort of deity. Masonry has that. Number two, it that belief is expressed in some sort of ritual. And masonry is full of ritual.

I mean, that's pretty much all it is. It's and then the third quality is it has a system of some sort of ethics or morality, and masonry has that. So masonry is a religion, and it's an antichrist religion. And the problem is is that, basically, if you drill down into this deep enough and read the books, read the books that are written by people like Albert Pike, like Albert Mackie. These are two, you know, or alpha, Arthur Edward Waite.

These are three prominent scholars of nineteenth century, early twentieth century masonry, and all of them were occultists. Arthur Edward Waite, he wrote a book on black magic and pacts, how to sell your soul to the devil. And in my book, shameless plug, this is an older edition. This is the first edition. It looks different now.

But in my book, I document how almost every single leading occult person of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century was a freemason. They just go together like, you know, love and marriage. If people wanna go look at these books, I just wanted you to, like, kinda give them an idea because if they wanna confirm that for themselves, what books are you talking about? What people, are you talking about? Well, there's Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike.

He was like the greatest Masonic scholar in America of the nineteenth century. He was a sovereign grand commander of the Scottish Rite, and he's buried in the Scottish Rite Temple thirteen blocks from the White House. So he that's one. The other one is Albert Mackey's, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. There's Arthur Edward Wade, who has a whole bunch of books on masonry.

Again, all of these are footnoted in my book. I mean, the last, lots of pages of footnotes because I I'm not just making this stuff up. The other person who really you need to pay attention to in all of this because he's more contemporary have you ever heard of Manley p Hall? I have. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, he was one of the most notable occultists in America in the twentieth century. He passed away in 1994, I think. He was the head of the Philosophical Research Society. He was a very high level ceremonial magician, and he was also a thirty third degree mason.

And he wrote this book, Lost Keys, a Freemason. And in that book, among many things, he says that when you become a master mason, you are like a warrior on the block. And that's kind of a sonic code. And the seething energies of Lucifer are yours to command. So these are, like, the biggest Freemasonic figures that that we we know about today, and yet most Freemasons have no idea about this.

Yeah. Because they don't read the books. They just they join the lodge for whatever reason. It might be for business. Because, see, it used to be that up until, I think, the early nineties, lawyers and doctors were not allowed to advertise.

They couldn't put, like, an ad in the telephone book. It was like an ethics thing. And so the only way that lawyers and doctors could kind of build up business was by masonry. They joined the Masonic Lodge. They send referrals to one another, you know, a good old boys network.

So that's why a lot of people joined the lodge. Many people joined it because they had an uncle or a father or a brother who was in it. And, honestly, unless you really understand the occult, it's boring. I mean, imagine the most boring church service you've ever been in. And having spent five years in the Mormon church, I can relate to that.

But it's just you know, guys were sitting there snoring during the the Masonic ritual when I was there. And, you know, because it it's like watching paint dry. And they go every week, and when I was involved in this, I was, like, the youngest guy in the lodge by twenty years. All these guys were, like, 50, 60, 70 years old, You know? And, basically, they were there because they were buddies.

And afterwards, they, you know, play poker and eat, you know, sandwiches or something. But what none of these men understand, I don't think, is that deep down inside, there's this very dark evil energy, which is very sexualized. We document in the book how many men that have come to us over the years for deliverance. They were in masonry, and they began to be drawn into wickedness, into perversion, and even in the and it's it's dark, dangerous stuff because it opens up unholy desires within the men. And then, because of the way the spiritual world works, that in turn percolates down into their family.

And it affects the wife who may or may not be involved because there's a women's order of Masonry called the Order of the Eastern Star, whose symbol is a satanic pentagram, by the way. So, anyway, it affects your children. So many men that were masons, at first, it didn't appear a problem. But when their children started hitting puberty, They just started to go in various ways nuts because of this trickle down influence of the Masonic Lodge. Yeah.

I actually interviewed a a woman whose dad was a freemason, and, just something very similar to that happened to her. So she was never involved in, you know, the Eastern Stars. And as far as I understand, her mom wasn't involved either. But there was, you know, an element of the children thing that you talked about, with their family being abused, his her siblings. Sorry.

And she also, around puberty, started developing, you know, some weird things. So it does, it does correlate with what you're talking about, but I wanna make sure that people understand. I wanna go back to the degrees of Freemasonry. You talked about the Blue Lodge. You also mentioned the Scottish Rite there.

So you're correct. Can you explain how that's set up so people actually understand what it means to be a thirty third degree mason? Because I think it's just there's a lot of confusion around it. Well, it's a little complicated, but in America, English Masonry is different. But in America, after Blue Lodge, it forks off in two directions.

You can either go to the Scottish Rite or the York Rite. The York Rite has seven degrees. The Scottish Rite has 29 degrees. When I was when I was a made a master Mason, I was told because at that time, I believe it or not, I was going to the seminary to become an old Catholic priest. And some of my brother Masons knew that.

And he said, well, the York rite is the Christian path, so to speak. So why don't you go up that thing first? So I did. And the top of the York rite is what is called the Knights Templar degree. Now in the Scottish right, you have these 29 degrees that some of them are really creepy.

I mean, seriously creepy. They have one, I think it's a nineteenth degree where they actually try to call up the devil. And, finally, at the top of the thirty second degree, which is the, the sublime prince of the royal secret, And that's as high as most people go. If you're some really important person, either in an industry or in politics or in entertainment, you might be offered to become a thirty third degree mason, which is the highest degree in American masonry. And many people, you know, presidents, actors, I mean, people like, you know, Roy Rogers, Harry Truman, all kinds of celebrities, Burl Ives.

They're they're thirty third or were they're all deceased now. Thirty third degree masons, Gene Autry, many of these people. So that's the structure of it. And there's nuances in the York right that are very creepy, but the Scottish right is much more creepy. Hey.

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Now let's get back in the story. Okay. So to make sure that every everyone understands, you know, kind of what you already set up, I'll try to summarize it. So there's the Blue Lodge, which everyone has to go through, which is three degrees. And then you have two choices, either the York Rite, which is seven, or the Scottish Rite, which is 29.

So three plus 29 equals 32. So 32 degrees and honorary thirty third degree for people that are deemed to be important. So that's kinda how it worked only on the Scottish Rite. That's where the thirty third degree happens. So you actually Okay.

Let me let me just correct some. Yes. Yes, please. If you're if you're a tenth degree ninth Templar, you can become a thirty third degree Mason even if you never went through the Scottish Rite. Okay.

Minor detail. But Okay. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. So alright.

Now we talked about the thirty third degree mason. People usually are like, that's the highest level of freemasonry that there is. There's also a bunch of people that talk about, you know, this there's secrets in freemasonry that a lot of people don't know about, and you have to, you know, be deemed worthy to be told these secrets. You became a thirty third degree mason, and you eventually joined this secret group or secret order or whatever you wanna call it. Can you explain what that is?

Okay. Well, beyond okay. Beyond what we're we've just been talking about, over in Europe is what's called the right eleventh ismethrium, and that is 360 degrees beyond what's, you know, I've already discussed. And most nations don't even know about that. Now I got up to the, if memory serves, 96 degree.

And how I did that is there was a group in Chicago where they were they were involved with that thing, because Chicago was and probably still is a major nexus of Satanism. Most people don't know that. So this group brought me into Memphis, misery, and then ultimately, there was a fellow that flew over all the way from Paris who was the son of Pappas. Now you probably don't know that name, but Pappas was a very prominent nineteenth century high level occultist and ceremonial magician, and he wrote a book called The Tarot of the Bohemians about tarot cards. You know?

And he came over, and he brought me into the ninety ninety seventh degree. And and this is where you get into the really deep stuff, the ideas behind sexual alchemy, how to supposedly live forever, you know, all this creepy stuff. Anyway, I would go up to these guys that have been in in the Scottish Rite forever, you know, older men that were in their sixties. And I'd say, okay. I'm now a sublime prince of the royal secret.

You know? Wang, they did this initiation, and I was a sublime prince of the royal secret. I said, so what's the royal secret? And they go, I don't know. Now whether they were just feigning ignorance because at this time, I was, like, in my late twenties, or what.

I don't know. But I learned eventually after getting into the right of Memphis mitzvah. And, again, this is something that probably only one in a thousand Masons in America understands, is that the royal secret is that you can live forever by sexually vampirizing children, literally. And that's what these people believed. Now, again, the vast majority of Masons have no understanding of any of this.

They just think it's this good old boys club that teaches, you know, morality. And and this is the way with almost all of these groups, whether it's the Mormons or the Masons or the witches or the Vatican. They all have this vast number of reasonably good people, in some cases, very good people under them that are that are sort of feeding them all of this energy. Because, let me back up. When I was into Satanism, we understood and were taught that Satan draws energy from being worshiped.

And when when these guy they don't even if they don't understand it, every time a Mason kneels at the altar and swears an oath, the devil gets energy from that. And again, most Masons, if they heard this, they would be scandalized. They say, this guy's a nut. But the funny thing is, and like you say, you've you've talked with with people who, to a greater degree or a lesser degree, and believe me, we've talked to dozens of people over the years in ministry who came to us, who were, you know, like, sodomized as children, who were literally taken to the Masonic Lodge after hours, laid on that very same altar that the Holy King James Bible laid on, and they were ganged by a bunch of old men that were all high level masons until they were practically dead. Yeah.

That's pretty much the story that I heard without, you know, details because the it was it was an eyewitness account. It was a secondhand witness, but similar to what I heard before. So okay. A lot of said about Freemasonry, and you kinda said how, you know, Freemasonry is worshiping Lucifer. And I think that's made very clear in the books that you talked about.

If you wanna check the references. They can check your book, or they can go directly to the references if they doubt anything because it's in there. I wanna go back to something that you said earlier because we kinda did a tangent on Freemasonry because I thought it was very important. But you talked about selling your soul. Let's get back to that because I definitely don't wanna ignore that.

Can you explain the circumstances around that? Well, again, this there was this group in Chicago, and they were they were entwined with this Memphis Mysoreum rite. And, they were also with this it was like two things together, the brotherhood, which I mentioned earlier, and then this Memphis Mysoreum thing. And I interacted with these people, and, at at a certain point, they said, well, if you wanna go any further and become a satanic priest, you need to, you know, sell your soul to the devil. And so they took me to this park in Glen Ellyn, Illinois, which is like a suburb of Chicago.

I don't know if it's still there or not, but it was a very weird park. This is broad daylight. And they said, don't worry about it. You know, the cops are all devil worshipers. And and in the center of the park, there was this, like, area where they had these weird Egyptian statues.

There was, like there literally was an altar with horns, you know, kinda like the pictures you see of the of the altar in the Temple Of Solomon, you know, that kind of thing. And they brought out this black book, and there are all these names in it. And this one supposed high level Satanist kind of officiated, and I swore an oath to Satan, my allegiance to him, that I would serve him for seven years, and he would give me everything I wanted, you know, wine, women's song, power, occult power, whatever. And at the end of those seven years, he could kill me and take me to hell. By that time, I had been told that the satanists believe that hell is like one long orgy of drugs, sex, and rock and roll, so to speak.

You know? So I didn't think going to hell was a bad thing at that time. So I had to sign my name in blood in this black book. And supposedly and this sounds funny, but I was supposed to go out and find seven people to sell their souls to the devil under me, so to speak, sort of like multilevel marketing, but for the devil. And I did.

I got seven, and I I feel so bad about this. I've I've contacted as many of these people as I can find to try and talk them out of it and, you know, repent and all that. But you know? And still, I I didn't have the things I needed. I had you know, my life was not good.

Even though I was supposedly this high level warlock, satanic priest, blah blah blah. I was working in a nothing job. You know, I was a security guard in a warehouse, barely getting by. And then what happened is I'd written a check. Every year, I wrote a check to the Church of Satan.

I think it was for $10 to, renew my subscription. They had a newsletter, probably still do, called the Cloven Hoof. And, when I got the check back from the bank, because they used to do that, someone had written on the check, some lady by the handwriting, I'll be praying for you in Jesus' name. And I just scoffed. And the funny thing is, let me just say, I have not had any contact with Christians.

Nobody ever tried to witness to me. Nobody, you know, had ever come to our door and try to, you know, give us track to talk about Jesus. Even the Jehovah Witnesses never came to our door because they were scared of us. You know? Because people people understood.

You know? We they'd they'd see us out in the backyard in the moonlight in black robes dancing around. You know? So, anyway, I, I got this check, and I just scoffed at it. And literally within twenty four hours, it was like I was hit with a freight train.

I lost all my occult power, and believe the magical power is real. I lost my job. I got as sick as a dog, and I thought, what the heck? You know? So we had an altar up in the attic.

The whole attic, we painted it black. And we had a magic circle on the floor. I had a big statue of Pam, you know, the horned god, all kinds of creepy stuff. And I went up there, and I knelt, and I prayed to Lucifer. And I said, what's going on?

I've done everything you've told me, and my life is just increasingly gone, well, gone to hell, literally. And the funny thing is, even when I was praying to Lucifer, Jesus answered my prayer. Because the next day, we got a call from these two teenage Satanist girls from Chicago. They wanted to come up and meet me because they heard about I was this great satanic priest. And so they they came up on the train.

They said we had a gift for you. And I thought, well, I could use a gift right now because I just lost my job. I don't have hardly any money. You know? And they show up at the door, and they sit adoringly at my feet.

And they give me these two comic books from Chick Publications. Yeah. I assume you're familiar with Chick Publications. I'm not. I think I'm too young for that.

It it's a Christian publishing house, and he made these I don't know how many there are now, but at the time, there were, like, 15 or so full color comic books. But they were about Christian themes, and they were intended to be soul winning tools. And in the back of them, there was, you know, a thing about, okay, how do you get born again? And the two that these kids gave me I say kids because they were probably in their late teens. One was called Spellbound, and one was called Angel of Light.

And you can look these up. They're probably available online. And they are about the dangers of the occult and about how Lucifer is really the god behind all false religions. And I just looked at them and, you know, whatever, you know, and threw them in the door in the closet and forgot about them. Well, anyway, the next day, there's a knock on the door, and we open it up, and it's Mormon missionaries.

Never had one come before. And you can they always are in, you know, two of them. Two young men, and I remember what this guy said, this grand master druid back in, you know, 1973. We're now in 1980. And we joined the Mormon church, because we thought that was where we were supposed to be.

This was a sign from Lucifer. So I joined the Mormon church. I tried to be a good Mormon. I stopped doing dope. I stopped having orgies.

I was just monogamous. And the only thing we did because we had been led to believe by this this Druid guy that the Mormons were white witches. And so we still did white witchcraft, but we didn't do Satanism anymore. We got all of that out of our lives. Went through the temple in the Mormon church, did all their secret rituals, which are very Masonic.

Well, let's actually stop there because, this is actually important. What kind of role did you have in the Mormon church? Because we just talked about missionaries coming to your house, and you said you joined. Can you explain a little bit, you know, the progression and what kind of role you eventually got there? Yeah.

Well, okay. You get baptized, and then after a year, if you, you know, mind your p's and q's and pay your tithing and all of that, you're made an elder. And, that's what I was. I was an elder. And then later, I was made an elders quorum president.

So that's like an administrative role right under the bishop. Now understand in a Mormon church, I don't know if it's still this way, but back then, this is in the eighties, a bishop, like most people think of a bishop as some really high level guy, you know, In the Mormon church, the bishop is the head of a local congregation. They call it a ward, w a r d. And an elders quorum president is kinda, like, right under the bishop and takes care of administrative stuff. And I I you get I had gotten a temple recommend, which is like a a card that allows you to go to the temple because you're not allowed to go to the temple unless you're worthy.

And at that time, we went to Salt Lake City because that's like the Cadillac of Mormon temples, the Salt Lake Temple. And we went through the rituals, and that I'll tell you. That's a whole story in itself. Do you wanna get into that? Of course.

Yeah. Okay. Well, so we go now mind you, we had information from this grand master druid. He said, give these words to the guy when you go into the Mormon Temple. And they had a system, which was probably kind of ahead of its time.

This was, let's see, 1981, where you had this card and it had a code on it. Like, nowadays, everybody's familiar with it. Some kind of magnetic coating. They put it into the machine, and that would indicate you're legit. And then we were we were told to say these words.

And when we set put these words into the computer after our our card, the whole system, like, it crashed, the entire computer system. And so they didn't know what to do about that, so they got rid of the people that they could. They took us through the ritual, which involves a whole I mean, it's hours long. It's kinda like the, the Masonic ritual on steroids. I mean, you go downstairs.

You get all basically naked. They wash your body, and it's done man to man, woman to woman. But they wash your body. They anoint your body with oil. You're given this magical temple garment, which you may or may not have heard of.

And what's interesting is, just to back one step up, a lot of people don't know, Joseph Smith, who is the founder of the Mormon Church, in 1844, he was made a master mason in Nauvoo, Illinois. And after he was made a master mason, he kind of stole most of the Masonic ritual and created this temple ceremony. The whole thing is just bizarre, and I go into great depth. I have a video called Mormonism's Temple of Doom, a DVD that you can get that goes into all this in detail. But, anyway, this is this is where it gets kind of odd.

Because after this is all over, we were invited to go meet with the president of the Salt Lake Temple, which is kind of a big deal. And he said, what can I do for you? And I said, well, we've been told we didn't say by a Druid, but we've been told that we need to talk to an apostle. Now understand in the Mormon church, there's this hierarchy. There's the prophet who's called the president, and then there's the first presidency, which is two advisers and the prophet.

Under them are 12 apostles. So he said, well, I'll see what I can do. So he arranged for us to go to the church office building and meet with one of the 12 apostles. At that time, it was elder James Faust. Believe it or not, that was his name, Faust, which is kinda weird if you Faust is a very prominent name in the history of the occult.

So he went there, up into the church office building. And to make a long story short, he said, well, what do you wanna talk to us about? He said, well, we had these dreams. This is true. And, again, back then, nobody knew what was going on in the Mormon Temples.

The the stuff had not been made public in any way. A couple years after this, a couple, Chuck and Dolly Sackett, put out a book called What's Going On in There? They were former temple workers, and they revealed the whole thing. But at this time, there was no anybody. And I said, we saw this ritual where there's there was this white altar with a satin covering just like what's in the celestial room of the Mormon temple.

And on it was this naked young girl, and everybody was around it chanting pale Lucifer. And he said this apostle guy, he said, well, I can tell you are very extraordinary people, and I bury you my solemn testimony. This is a big deal. If you ever talk to a Mormon, if they start saying I bury you my solemn testimony, this is like a big deal for them, that what you have said is true. And if you can come to Salt Lake and live here, we will find a place for you in the worship of the temple.

So I'm actually curious about one thing. You talked about, the Druid telling you that, the Lucifer this Luciferian secrets were found in Freemasonry and in the Mormon church. Right? And you had been a Freemason at that point. You also went to the the temple in Salt Lake.

Can you talk about the similarities, if there are some, and what are they between Freemasonry and Mormonism? Well, first of all, if you go to Temple Square, you'll see Masonic handshakes. You'll see the all seeing eye. You'll see the sun, the moon, the stars. There's no crosses on the Mormon temple.

There's nothing Christian on the outside of the Mormon temple. When you get inside the temple, most of the similarities are the fact you go through three levels. And in each level, you're made to you're you're taught hand signs and handshakes and things that are all very similar to masonic stuff. And you are made to swear an oath. And you when in the first level, which I think is I mean, it's been ages since I've gone through all of this.

If you put your hand to your throat and go like this, the same as you do in in the Entered Apprentice degree of the Masonic Lodge. In a third level, you are taught another set of secret handshakes, and then you're instructed and this is where it gets really Masonic. You're instructed to go up, and they have this veil, which they say is like the veil in Solomon's temple. So you've got masonic markings. You have a square and a compass on the two your two, you know, your chest.

You have another marking on your navel and another masonic marking on your knee. Okay. The same markings are on the veil, but they're stitched so they're holes. And there's a guy on the other side of the veil that you can't see who represents heavenly father. He represents god.

And you go up to this guy, and you're instructed, you put your hand through the veil, and this is called the five points of fellowship. And this is right out of masonry and right right out of witchcraft. Gardenarian, Alexandrian witchcraft and masonry and Mormonism all have these five points. And the five points of fellowship are foot to foot, knee to knee, hand to back, breast to breast, and mouth to ear. I think I got that right.

And anyhow, so you're embracing this unknown guy through this veil, and he whispers to you the secret name of the the, celestial kingdom. And you ready for this? I I don't know. I think. It's health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews.

Power in the priesthood be upon me and my posterity for all generations of time and all eternity. Now that might sound reasonably benign, except for the fact that it's almost word for word out of the satanic grimoire. It's a satanic incantation. The only difference is that obscene words are used. And then when you're done with that, this guy draws you through the veil into what is called the celestial room, the celestial kingdom.

And, basically, it's like this beautifully appointed everything is in white or light beige, you know, with sofas. It looks like being in a really fancy hotel lobby. And people are invited to to just sit and absorb the wonderfulness of it. And they believe, literally, that God the father, who they believe to be a man in a body, and they believe that he invisibly walks around this celestial. And they and I don't know if you know this or not, but they believe he has hundreds of goddess wives.

And that he is constantly impregnating these wives who give birth to spirit children who come down, and they they believe that every child that is born on earth is first fathered in heaven with heavenly father and one of his goddess wives. Yeah. I've heard about that. And I I think a lot of Mormons, if they hear you talking, they'll say that's not true. But if you actually go back to the history of what Joseph Smith taught, like, you'll see.

And if you talk to some of the elders probably in the Mormon church that know about this stuff, they'll tell you about it. But what I find, in what you said is essentially that, you know, the details of Mormonism and Freemasonry like, the the details are different, but the structure is very, very similar. And you can see where kinda Joseph Smith took it from, especially since he was a Freemason. So that's super interesting. I wanna go back to your story, though, because, you joined the Mormon church to try to help your life.

Your life was you were really struggling at the time, and you're trying to, you know, become a better person, have a better life, and all of that. What did your life look like inside of the Mormon church? Well, it it was better. But, of course, part of that was because I was no longer actively worshiping the devil. I mean, I thought I was worshiping the true god, but I wasn't.

And, I eschewed all of my vices. I mean, I was no longer doing cocaine or smoking dope or I never was one for drinking alcohol. So, I mean, it was better. But as I rose in the ranks and this is kind of an I'm glad you asked this question. As I became an elders quorum president and, again, I don't know how things are now, but back in this and then this was in the early eighties.

The elders forum president was supposed to see that all of these guys under him, these elders, would go out and visit every home in the ward, in the the local congregation to see how they were doing and to bring them a message from the prophet, quote, unquote. And I'll tell you one thing the Mormons get right. Like I tell people, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And they're they are very good at taking care of their people. If you saw a neighbor who was in trouble in some way, like, the need of their sidewalk shovel or whatever, you would go do that.

And the idea was you were gonna go and love bomb this neighbor and make them wanna join the Mormon church. And that's pretty good. You know? I mean, I I don't fault that. But, you know, you gotta realize, for me just let let me just put this in perspective.

At this time, I had a job working in a retail store, forty hours a week. In addition to that, I literally had to spend another forty hours a week working for the Mormon church with no pay because none of the people, except at the very highest levels of the Mormon church, get any salary. So, again, that's an admirable thing, but I was just working myself to death. And I oftentimes, I would have to go and do the home teaching because I couldn't find somebody else to do it. And I would visit these people, and I would talk to these people.

I'll tell you this one story. There was this one guy, I won't say his name, but he was this older fellow. He was sweet as can be, married, had a family, but he was stuck at being a deacon. A deacon is a 12 year old boy. If you've turned the age of 12 years old, the bishop lays hands on you and makes you a deacon.

So this guy was stuck at being a deacon because he wasn't worthy. Why wasn't he worthy? He couldn't stop smoking. And as you may know, there's the big no nos in the Mormon church is you can't smoke. Of course, you can't take any kind of illegal drugs, and you can't drink coffee.

So this guy was try you know, I don't know if you've ever been a smoker, but it's a hard thing to get off your back. And I would give this guy priesthood blessings. I would pray with him. I would fast with him. I do all this, and he was stuck.

He was gonna end up being like the Mormon church's only 90 year old deacon because of the merciless quality of Mormonism and the fact that it didn't really have any power to transform his life. And there were numerous stories like that, And it began to put a crack in my belief in Mormonism because I thought, okay. If this is the true church, which is what they teach, then why if I'm if I'm holding the priesthood, you know, I was a holy Melchizedek priesthood elder, and if I laid hands on a guy to be set free from nicotine, why didn't that work? Especially when I was doing it, like, every week. Especially because you had been in the occult before, and you had some of the power of the occult.

And so it's like you understood that there was power somewhere and that Lucifer could give you power and that you thought you were in the true church and you found none of this power. So I I understand. But what did you do? Because you said it started to question your whole world for you. Like, how did that develop over time?

Well yeah. And and okay. Leaving on that, I ended up having to move out of Milwaukee because at that time, my wife wanted to go to nursing school, and there was a nursing school in Dubuque that was good. And so I was without a job, and I had some time on my hands. And I was trying to find work, and, I was plugged into the local Mormon church in Dubuque, the the ward there.

But, of course, I was no longer an elders' forum president. And I saw this thing in the local penny advertiser, you know, that said, oh, there's gonna be a prophecy seminar at this park. Oh, no. Well, that's good. I thought I can go to this prophecy seminar because it didn't say what church it was.

And I can steal some sheep because I belong to a church that's being run by a true prophet. You know? Whoop dee doo. And so I went to this thing, and I had never been to a Protestant service. And there was this evangelist up there, and they were talking about the book of Revelation.

And, this guy was presenting the gospel in the context of explaining their version of what the book of Revelation means. So, anyway, he was talking about how you're saved by grace through faith, you know, the basic Christian gospel. And I kinda raised my hand being, you know, this wiseacre because they didn't know I was a Mormon. And you see, Mormons teach that basically there's only two choices for the true church. Either the Catholics who claim, you know, to have this apostolic succession all the way back to Peter up to the present day, or else Joseph Smith, who was supposedly given this mandate in the year 1830 by the angel Moroni and by John the Baptist and whatever.

And because they said that all the Protestant churches were split off of the Catholic church, and so therefore, they had no authority. And so either you gotta be a Catholic or you gotta be a Mormon. And so I raised this point with this guy, and he says to me, where do you get the the idea that you need to be baptized in order to be saved? It says in Acts sixteen thirty one, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, now shall be saved, and thy house. And that was the Bible verse that hit me.

You know? Because I'd already read the whole King James Bible because the Mormons used the King James Bible. I read the Bible through five times as a Mormon, but I'd never seen that verse like you know how Bible verses leap out at you. And this verse went through my magic Mormon underwear like a bullet through a sheet of wet tissue paper. And I went home and I was trembling, and I prayed, and I fasted because that's what Mormons are supposed to do.

If you run into a spiritual dilemma, it says write in Doctrine and Covenants, which is one of the the Mormon scriptures of the four. They have four scriptures. They have the Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Christ. And I prayed and I fasted. And and supposedly, if you do that, if what you're thinking of is true, you get a burning in your bosom.

And if it's not true, the Holy Spirit will send you a stupor of mind, and you will forget what you're even talking about. So I didn't get either one. And so I did bring to mind the comic books that I had gotten five years earlier or more by this time. And I went and done them out because I remember in the back of this, how to be a Christian. And so I got down at the foot of my bed.

I knelt. I took off my magic woman underwear because I didn't want any static on the line when I talked to God. And I prayed the prayers in the back of that comment book, and I got born again. And that was the beginning of my journey as a true Christian. So I I got saved partly through the assemblies of God, but then I was gonna study to be a minister.

And there were stipulations that if you were either you or your wife were divorced, and my wife was a divorcee, you can't be a minister. At that time, that was the rule in the assembly. So I went over to the Forest Bridge Church, which is a symbol. I don't know if you're familiar with charismatic churches, but it's another charismatic church. And there, the pastor and his wife did deliverance.

I mean, I think I'd set free with a whole legion of demons, I'm sure. Yeah. Especially with the things you were involved in. A lot of which we didn't we didn't touch on because they they're quite graphic. And, you know, for the sake of time, we can't talk about everything that you've gone through because you have so much.

There's something that you talked about. Obviously, we talked about you selling your soul, now you accepted Jesus. I remember you talking about how the the covenant or the deal that you made with the devil was for seven years. So what happened with that? Well, thankfully okay.

That was made in '19, let's see, that was 1979. And, I got saved in 1984. And when I got saved, that wiped out that stupid covenant. It took the power of the devil off of me because I became a child of God. And, of course, I renounced that covenant.

Part of you know? I mean, I know there's different ways that people do deliverance, and I don't know how familiar you are with deliverance. But, you know, one of the things that we encourage people to do and I was encouraged to do was, like, I went through and I renounced all of my masonic oaths. I renounced all of the oaths and covenants I took in the Mormon church. I renounced the, baptismal vows of the Catholic church, and I renounced, that oath that I took to the devil in that park in Glen Ellyn and nailed it all to the cross.

So it was you became a Christian before the seven years had actually passed. And who knows what have happened if, that didn't, I guess we're never gonna know. But, there's something else that I would not be a good interviewer if I didn't ask you because Freemasonry is kind of a secret thing. You can't talk about it. You already mentioned that you're breaking these rules.

How were you able to be so open against Freemasonry as a former mason? Do you have any repercussions? Did did that ever happen to you? Can you explain that? Yeah.

You could say that. I have had so many attempts on my life. Can't even begin to tell you. But what partially helped me was the fact and I'll I'll just insert this little tale since you say you like stories. When I moved to Dubuque, I wanted to go and reconnect with the Masonic Lodge in Dubuque.

And so I went to the and this was right after literally about a week after I got born again. The the Masonic Lodge had they call it a hell a high twelve luncheon, which was on Friday noon, and everybody was welcome. And I went to this luncheon. It was like a free meal. And, I got in there, and it's down in the basement of the this big lodge thing, Downtown Dubuque.

And as I was eating, I could feel this darkness for the I've been in Masonic lodges hundreds of times. But because now I had the Holy Spirit within me, I could feel something dark and evil and oppressive just pushing down on me. And I, you know, ate the lunch, and I even I felt like this voice in my head saying, my son, get out of here. So I even skipped dessert, which for me was a big deal back then. And I I went outside, and then and this is in June, into the bright June sunshine, and I felt like this this incredible weight was off me.

So I went home, and I was led to go to Ezekiel chapter eight. Let me let me just read it because it's it's amazing how this dovetailed with the Masonic Lodge. Okay. Here we are. I'm not gonna read.

It's kinda long, but he he says he's digging through the wall, and he says, you know and this is in verse 13 of chapter eight. He said to me, this angel or whatever, turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do, meaning the elders of Israel. And he brought me to the gate of the Lord's house, which is toward the north, and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Now Tammuz is a false, slain, and risen god who is part of the Masonic pantheon. Then said unto him, hast thou seen this, oh son of man?

Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see the greater abominations than these. And he brought now this is critical. Verse 16. And he brought me to the inner court of the Lord's house, and behold, the door of the, temple of the Lord between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, and they worship the sun toward the east. Now why is that important?

Well, Masonic temples are required to face east. The the worshipful master is in the East, and he is a symbol of the sun. And all the devotions of the Masonic Lodge face east. That means, theoretically, they have their back to the ark of the covenant. They have their back to the truth.

And there's a thing in Masonic ritual, when every they have a a ritual you go through whenever they open the lodge. You know, every week they open the lodge. And they go around, and when they come to the worship master, it says, as the sun rises in the East to rule and govern the day, so also rises the worshipful master in the East to rule and govern the lodge. And then the master stands up, and he knocks up the lodge, which means he wraps the table three times. And the symbolism was so vivid when I saw that scripture, because I had been immersed in masonry for nine years.

I knew it backwards and forwards, and I realized this was an indictment of the Masonic Lodge. And within a week, I sent a letter to the Masonic Lodge and asked to have my name taken off the world. There there's so much. And and for the sake of time, I know you have to go, so we'll have to wrap it up. It's unfortunate because there's so many things that we could talk about, but you, wrote books.

You have a bunch of stuff. If people want more detail, they they can go there. They can find you. I'll put all the links on the website. If you go in the description of, of this this episode, you'll be able to find all of that.

But, to end, Bill, I wanna ask you and give you this opportunity to give a message. And, usually, I only ask people one. But for you, I wanted to make it a little bit different because you've been in so many different things. You know, you were a a Satanist, a Freemason, and a Mormon. So if you had a message to give to each one of these people that are listening today, what would it be?

Well, I mean, let me start with, which is slash statements. I mean, those people are worshiping power. They they think they are trying to become one with nature, but the power they are trying to, tap is the power of the devil. And I know a lot of these pea even some satanists will say, we don't believe in the devil except as an archetype, as a symbol, but they're whistling in the dark. They're making a grave mistake that can cost them their souls.

Because, you know, it doesn't matter what you think you believe. The truth with a capital t is out there, and Yeshua is the way, the truth, and the life. And if you reject him, as most witches and Satanists do, then your fate is not good. It's not that God has this big meaning in the sky who's going to send you to hell. It's in your decision to ignore Christ or mock Christ, whatever you wanna call it.

That is the decision that's gonna cost you an eternity in a very dark place, and you don't wanna do that. And, essentially, that same I would share that same message. I mean, masons again, a lot of Masons are Christians. But the problem is, you know, like, Elijah said to the prophets of Baal in one Kings 18, How long halt ye between two opinions? If Baal is god, serve him.

But if the lord is god, serve him. The mason, he might be the nicest person you might imagine, but he's got one he's knelt at the altar of Baal. He may have one knee on the altar of Christ and one knee on the altar of Baal, and these two things are gonna drift apart. And in my experience, I've been ministering to Freemasons since 1988, and it's very hard for a mate for a Christian Mason to keep his testimony strong. It's very hard because the the Masonic Lodge will just suck all the spiritual fire off of you.

So you need to get out of it because the devil is after you. And even though it might seem good at the time, you know, there's a way to seem as right unto a man, but the end thereof is death. And I'd say the same almost the same thing to the Mormons. Except the problem is with the Mormons, you're totally worshiping a false god. You're totally worshiping a false Jesus.

You're following a plan of salvation, which is absolutely false. And you're in a very dark I mean, Mormonism is honestly darker than Mason, in my humble opinion. So if you're in the Mormon church, you probably don't feel that evil. But the men at the top of the Mormon church are devil worshipers, And that spiritual power is percolating downward into you and into your family because of the way headship and authority works in in the world. So, again, you need to get out of the Mormon church.

You need to find a good Christian church that really believes in the Bible. You know, again, renounce it. Renounce your baptism, and you if you've been to the temple, renounce your temple vows. And then go and get baptized by a Christian pastor, you know, and you'll be hopefully on your way. But, yeah, all three of those paths ultimately will end on the same place even though the one seem much darker than the other two.

But, the devil disguises himself as an angel of light, Paul tells us, so that he can deceive us. So that's what I would say. Trust in Yeshua, Jesus Christ. Don't trust in Joseph Smith. Don't trust in the false Christ of Masonry who was called Hiram Beef, and certainly don't trust in Satan.

Thanks for listening to this episode of the Yamo's False podcast. Unfortunately, Bill is a very busy man, and I only had a couple hours with him, which is woefully insufficient to talk about everything that he's experienced. I'm trying to get him on the show again. If that happens, I'll leave a link in the description. But whether it happens or not, I highly encourage you to go check out his content.

If you want more in-depth knowledge about what he said, then his books are the best place to go. You can find them by clicking the the guest info link in the description of this episode. Thank you again for listening. I hope you learned something. Have a good one and stay blessed.