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Title: DailyBriefs.info - Dr. David Martin – Truth, Leadership, and the Spiritual War for Freedom

1. Folium’s Role in Post-Chernobyl Survival

2. Reflected Light as Illusion

3. Critique of Aristotle’s Five Senses

4. Truth as a Cranial Nerve

5. Apostolic vs. Messianic Leadership

6. Humanity’s Genetic Legacy of Trauma

7. Critique of Hope

8. Suffering as a Choice

9. Essence Over Appearance

10. Reconciliation Through Humanity

11. The 12 Senses and Esteem

12. Light as Internal Luminescence

13. Critique of Transhumanism

14. Pain and Divine Purpose

15. The Nehemiah Model

16. Vulnerability as Strength

17. Rejecting Dualism

18. The Armada of Arcs

19. Grief as Gratitude

20. Critique of Institutional Religion

21. The Zinc Spark of Life

22. Corporate Genocide in Bougainville

23. The Role of Feedback

24. Rejecting Victimhood

25. The Pearl Metaphor

26. Critique of Time

27. The Messianic Trap

28. The Mycelium Network Analogy

29. Reframing CO2

30. The Eagle-Chicken Parable

31. Critique of Language

32. The Role of Pain in Clarity

33. Rejecting Transhumanist Fear

34. The Bali Model

35. The Gift of Feedback

36. The Zinc Spark and Divine Light

37. Critique of Branding

38. The Provo Canyon Sunrise

39. Rejecting Institutional Hypnosis

40. The Armor of Light

Glossary of Terms

1. Apostolic Leadership
Definition: A leadership model emphasizing personal responsibility, decentralized agency, and the pursuit of divine purpose through individual action. Contrasts with reliance on external saviors.
Relevance: Encourages grassroots innovation and systemic resilience by empowering individuals to act authentically and collaboratively.

2. 12 Senses
Definition: An expanded sensory framework beyond Aristotle’s five senses, including faculties like esteem (face-to-face connection), truth (innate discernment), and interconnectedness (mycelium-like awareness).
Relevance: Challenges institutional dogma and enhances decision-making through holistic perception.

3. Folium
Definition: A botanical blend developed by Soviet scientists post-Chernobyl to counteract radiation poisoning.
Relevance: Symbolizes grassroots scientific resilience and decentralized crisis solutions.

4. Reflected Light
Definition: The illusion of color created when objects reject specific light wavelengths, masking their true essence.
Relevance: Metaphor for societal deception (e.g., media personas vs. authentic humanity).

5. Zinc Spark
Definition: A chemoluminescent flash during conception, symbolizing life’s internal light and divine creativity.
Relevance: Challenges literal interpretations of creation myths (e.g., Genesis’ “light before the sun”).

6. Transhumanism
Definition: The belief in augmenting humans via technology, often framed as a dystopian threat.
Relevance: Dr. Martin argues humanity’s “wild type” was suppressed long ago, making transhumanism redundant.

7. Mycelium Network Analogy
Definition: A metaphor for decentralized collaboration, inspired by fungal networks that connect ecosystems.
Relevance: Advocates for community-driven solutions over hierarchical systems.

8. Armada of Arcs
Definition: Parallel, resilient systems (e.g., Sasha Stone’s Bali projects) designed to thrive during societal collapse.
Relevance: Prepares for institutional failure by building sustainable alternatives.

9. Messianic Dependency
Definition: Passive reliance on external saviors (e.g., political leaders) to solve systemic issues.
Relevance: Critiqued as a barrier to personal and collective empowerment.

10. Corporate Genocide
Definition: Large-scale harm caused by corporate exploitation, as seen in Rio Tinto’s actions in Bougainville.
Relevance: Highlights the need for ethical governance and reparative justice.

11. Inner Luminescence
Definition: The concept that light originates internally (e.g., bioluminescence, spiritual essence).
Relevance: Encourages self-reliance and recognition of innate divinity.

12. Essence-Driven Actions
Definition: Decisions rooted in authenticity and purpose, not curated appearances.
Relevance: Fosters trust and systemic integrity by prioritizing substance over image.

13. Decentralized Governance
Definition: Power distribution to local actors, inspired by models like Bougainville’s land-rights restoration.
Relevance: Mitigates corruption and enhances community agency.

14. Ethical Tech Development
Definition: Technologies prioritizing human senses and community bonds over profit or control.
Relevance: Counters dystopian narratives by aligning innovation with holistic well-being.

15. Biomimicry
Definition: Design inspired by natural systems (e.g., mycelium networks for supply chains).
Relevance: Promotes sustainable, adaptive solutions through ecological alignment.

16. Narrative Reframing
Definition: Transforming trauma or grief into empowerment by shifting perspective (e.g., grief as gratitude).
Relevance: Builds resilience by reclaiming personal and collective stories.

17. Sustainable Innovation Hubs
Definition: Localized projects (e.g., off-grid energy systems) fostering ecological and social resilience.
Relevance: Prepares communities for systemic shocks while reducing environmental harm.

18. Gratitude Reminder
Definition: Redirecting emotional energy from loss to appreciation for past experiences.
Relevance: Cultivates present-moment awareness and reduces attachment to suffering.

19. Polarity vs. Dualism
Definition: Polarity (e.g., light/dark) as natural energy; dualism (good/evil) as reductive judgment.
Relevance: Encourages embracing contrasts for growth rather than moral absolutism.

20. Esteem (Cranial Nerve)
Definition: A sensory capacity tied to face-to-face connection and mutual respect.
Relevance: Disrupts dehumanizing systems (e.g., TSA interactions) by restoring dignity.


McKinsey-Style Strategic Report: Insights from Dr. David Martin’s Interview
Title: Truth, Leadership, and the Spiritual War for Freedom: A Framework for Transformative Action


Executive Summary

Dr. David Martin’s discourse intertwines scientific, philosophical, and leadership themes to advocate for a paradigm shift in how humanity perceives reality, leadership, and systemic structures. Key insights challenge conventional narratives about perception, institutional authority, and human potential. This report distills these ideas into actionable strategies for organizational and societal transformation, emphasizing decentralized leadership, sensory awareness, and systemic resilience.


Strategic Insights & Recommendations

1. Redefining Leadership: Apostolic Action Over Messianic Dependency

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2. Perception & Reality: Expanding Sensory and Cognitive Frameworks

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3. Systemic Critique & Institutional Reform

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4. Human Potential & Inner Luminescence

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5. Ecological & Technological Harmony

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Implementation Roadmap


Conclusion

Dr. Martin’s insights call for a radical reimagining of leadership, perception, and systemic structures. By prioritizing apostolic action, sensory expansion, and ecological harmony, organizations can catalyze a transition from transactional survival to transformative flourishing. This report provides a scaffold for embedding these principles into strategic frameworks, ensuring resilience in an era of escalating complexity.

Final Thought: “The power to heal is yours”—embrace vulnerability, reject dogma, and illuminate the path forward.


Appendices


This report synthesizes qualitative insights into actionable strategies, aligning Dr. Martin’s philosophical depth with McKinsey’s rigor.

Title: "Reclaiming Humanity: Dr. David Martin’s Call for Authentic Leadership and Inner Light"

In a world entangled with illusions of power and perception, Dr. David Martin’s groundbreaking discourse challenges humanity to rediscover truth, leadership, and resilience through essence over appearance. Drawing from scientific, historical, and spiritual insights, his vision offers a roadmap to dismantle systemic deception and reclaim our innate potential.

Key Themes and Insights

**1. The Illusion of Perception
Human sight, governed by reflected light, deceives us: objects appear colored only because they reject certain wavelengths. This metaphor extends to societal structures—media, institutions, and leaders—that curate false narratives. Dr. Martin urges a shift to gnosis (deep inquiry) over superficial ados (appearances), reviving ancient Greek wisdom to pierce through modern dogma.

**2. The 12 Senses: Beyond Aristotle’s Limits
Aristotle’s five senses ignore 85% of human sensory capacity. Dr. Martin highlights neglected faculties like esteem (face-to-face connection) and truth (innate discernment), suppressed by institutions like the Catholic Church. Reclaiming these senses, he argues, fosters empathy and dismantles authoritarian control.

**3. Apostolic Leadership vs. Messianic Dependency
True leadership is decentralized and action-driven. Dr. Martin critiques reliance on political “saviors” (e.g., Trump, Kennedy) and champions apostolic models where individuals embody purpose. His negotiation with warlord Chris Uma in Bougainville—ending a corporate genocide—exemplifies grassroots courage over top-down solutions.

**4. Inner Light and Systemic Resilience
Light originates within, from bioluminescent plankton to the “zinc spark” at conception. This internal luminescence symbolizes humanity’s divine essence. Dr. Martin rejects transhumanist fears, advocating instead for reactivating suppressed human capacities. Parallel systems like Sasha Stone’s Bali projects (“armada of arcs”) model post-collapse sustainability.

**5. Critique of Suffering and Hope
Suffering is a narrative choice, not fate. Dr. Martin reframes grief as a “gratitude reminder” and condemns hope for perpetuating dissatisfaction. His Provo Canyon sunrise epiphany—a moment of pure perfection—exemplifies embracing the present to transcend pain.

A Call to Action

Dr. Martin’s work is a clarion call to:

Conclusion

The path to freedom lies not in waiting for heroes but in illuminating the light within. By rejecting superficial narratives and embracing authenticity, humanity can forge a future where leadership, perception, and systems align with truth. As Dr. Martin reminds us: “The power to heal is yours—clean the lens, and let your pearl shine.”


Audience Takeaway: Professionals and the public alike are urged to rethink leadership, perception, and resilience through actionable steps—from sensory workshops to ethical governance—inspired by Dr. Martin’s transformative vision.




ENCORE! A Sunday Conversation with Dr. David Martin – Truth, Leadership, and the Spiritual War for Freedom - The RSB Show 5-4-25

https://www.brighteon.com/7a482d7d-ec0c-4f72-89b1-279dfdf00c04 

TRANSCRIPT
There's something called folium. I learned about this some years ago partly through Ed and this group because I don't know if he's here, Bob Brien, my friend. Yes, Bob Brien right in there. He brought this over from former Soviet Union. I don't know if you remember, if those of you old enough, 1986.


There was a disaster called Chernobyl nuclear disaster. And the scientists there had to figure out a way to save the lives of people that were gonna die from ionizing radiation, heavy metal destruction, environmental destruction like beyond belief. And they developed a botanical blend that helped people to live when they should have died. The most devastating exposures in history just about. And they lived.


And he brought the folium to America. And I'm grateful for that because with Ed, we've seen what he went through the past few years during that time. How they tried to take him out. And look, he wasn't walking up on stage a couple of times ago. And he's walking up doing great.


And again, partly due to the things we learn about here. And again, the folium, you check it out. The Robert Scott Bill Show. Alright, y'all. How cool is this?


I've got the podcast studio up technically for the first time, but technically also for the second time. I know that makes no sense. But my my pal, doctor David Martin, pulled a trick on Sasha Stone yet, and yesterday, it was hilarious. But you won't see that till tomorrow. So we're playing with time today.


Time warp. Time warp today. Doctor David Martin is here. And if you don't if y'all remember a month or so ago, we did a special edition of the show after the show, alive, about the preemptive pardon of, Fauci. Yeah.


And it went viral. I mean, that was obviously Yeah. Something people were all concerned about. And you said, hey. I'm gonna be in town in a month or so.


I'll be in studio with you. I'm like, but, David, I don't have a studio that I have people in town for. And there it was, the in in in the instigator, I say, that sort of positive and loving way to make something happen that apparently needed to happen. And who knew that on my birthday, you and Sasha Stone were in town for an event. Yep.


And I brought my wife and my son came, and we I mean, it was it was great. I mean, it was in, like, this warehouse thing, but, I'd never met Sasha. And you guys had have intersected over the years doing some amazing things. We might be able to talk about that. You'll all hear about it tomorrow, on the second hour of the show.


We're gonna air that interview. But thanks to you, doctor David Martin, we have a podcast studio. I know. It's so exciting. I I'm I'm pinching myself.


How cool is this? It's wild. And and, you know, I've told the story about how I used to watch David long before I knew him on, like, CNBC or, you know, you were the, like, financial guy, money guy. I mean, it was all this stuff. I'm, like, always wearing the bow tie.


Yeah. It was intriguing. And I'm like, there's something about this guy. I don't know, but I didn't trust anybody on these networks. You know that.


I mean, I I because I had been studying for, at that point, decades as well into the financial institutions, their origin going back hundreds, if not thousands of years, much less Yep. 1913 in America. Right? Yeah. And so when we first met, we're with my buddy, Paul, I think, at at one of the I don't know what what event it was.


I believe it was San Antonio or somewhere at a restaurant. Yep. We were sitting there, and I'm like, oh, this is David Martin. And they were all saying, you gotta meet this guy. I'm like, oh, this is kinda cool.


But I'm like, at the same time, he's been on all of those mainstream financial shows. He could be one of them. Yeah. I don't know. Could be.


And and so I'm I'm I don't say grill in them, but I'm asking them pointed questions about things that I know I've studied and just to see where you were at. And I'm like, dude, not flinching nanosecond, everything I had, you I I knew that you knew. And then you went further, and you went history through the history that we're not taught. And so I'm just giving you some of this backstory to say, for my audience, many of you already know, doctor David Martin, but for for those that don't, how, it takes a lot for me to, you know, kinda pull somebody new that I'm all yeah. This is a guy you can go follow this, do whatever.


Not a follower. That's not what I'm saying. But, you know, that someone has done the work, done the research, and has the heart and the mission that's aligned with what we're all about. And so that was an exciting time for me to connect and you connect with so many of my friends, and I saw these intersections coming together. This was a few years before Trump came back, and now Bobby Kennedy and all the things that we're we're we're seeing manifest now.


And that's part of the discussion here. In addition to one of the things that was brought up by you and Sasha, the movement from, a demonic child blood sacrifice consciousness to a Luciferian. Yeah. A little bit of light coming in. Yeah.


But I also wanna say that I don't want y'all to be deceived about there's a lot of good stuff happening, but don't think, oh, we've achieved it. This golden age, what does that mean? How do you define it? Because we can fall back into a slumber Oh, yeah. And be go right back down into that rabbit hole.


Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I had a beautiful conversation just a couple days ago with a dear, dear friend of mine, regarding unpacking a little more of that conversation than Sasha and I had. Yeah.


And, you know, I I I do a lot of workshops, and one of the things that we talk about is the second cranial nerve, which is the optic nerve. And when we talk about that, we we mistakenly use the term sight. Like eyesight to be found right now. The sense of sight. Yeah.


You know? And we we're told one of the five approved, you know, senses that we were told we were supposed to have, is this sense of sight. And when Aristotle came up with that as one of the approved five Mhmm. What he didn't do and what nobody did at the time was really examine the essence of light. And the essence of light is fascinating because we really don't understand it.


And the reason we don't understand it is we've made the mistake of thinking sight has anything to do with light. Okay? Now we have to be very clear on the fact that that what we observe and by the way, the Greeks knew this. That's why this is appropriate to talk about Aristotle and why Aristotle had to twist the narrative. The Greeks had two different terms.


One was, which is the derivative of what we now would refer to as the appearance Mhmm. Of a thing. And that we've translated into knowledge in modern English. And they had a term gnosis, which was the the deeper inquiry, the the thoughtful examined lived experience wisdom. Yeah.


It's gnosis. For those that work in DC, it's gnosis. Yeah. There you go. The the g the g, the silent g.


But but what's fascinating about those two concepts is that ados, the appearance of a thing, was used typically when when the term what we call now knowledge. When that term was used in Greek, it almost always referred to the illusory. So not just the appearance, but the illusory. And the reason is because the Greeks understood that there are many forms of light. There is the reflected light that we would call, you know, reflectance or sight.


Yes. But the irony of that particular light is it's always false. And by always, I mean, no exceptions, always false. It's a deceiver. And let's talk about what I mean by that.


We would actually make the mistake of saying my top here, my my shirt or sweater or whatever you wanna call it, is white. Yes. The only thing it isn't is white. Yes. And the reason I say that is because what is reflecting off of the material is the full spectrum of light.


The the fabric itself is refusing to absorb Mhmm. All spectrum of light. Therefore, you're getting the illusion of white. But that means my sweater is all but white. Because that's what it's reflecting.


Yes. It's rejecting. It is it is saying, I'm not gonna absorb that. Mhmm. K?


We could say yours is blue. Well, no. The only thing it isn't is blue. Or a blade of grass. Absorbing all other frequencies.


Yeah. A blade of grass, the only thing it isn't is green. Yes. It's rejecting all green. Now the reason that's interesting is because if we understood what I just said, which is objectively true from the standpoint of fit modern physics Mhmm.


We would go, oh, hold on a minute. So everything we're told we see is actually explicitly a lie. A a pale reflection of reality of something? The apostle Paul Mhmm. You know, uses the phrase, now we see through a glass darkly.


Mhmm. K? Well, it wasn't the story of of Saul of Tarsus becoming Paul struck by the light. Yeah. But but here's an interesting thing.


If you go back and read that story, you see that he had an occipital lobe seizure. Every single one of the symptoms of his alleged event where he allegedly had his conversion was an occipital lobe seizure. Now if you go back and you examine that, you know, what what would that be? Well, it was a post traumatic stress induced seizure. He was murdering people.


He was going around torturing people. He was going around harming Christians. Mhmm. And the trauma of his own violent induced life triggered in all likelihood an occipital lobe seizure. He did not see a light.


He experienced light. Get the difference? Mhmm. And and what we don't understand because we've cheapened our modern English language, we've cheapened it to the point of not even understanding that that which we perceive is not sight. It is the illusion created by the reflected nonessence of everything.


So let's unpack exactly what I mean. Right? The reflected nonessence of everything. Yeah. If I were to say that you are the shape of the man that you are Mhmm.


I would defile the essence of who you are. Because what I would be doing is I would nominate the boundaries, the geometry Mhmm. The reflectance, all of the properties that I say are Robert Scott Bell. And I'd say, okay. That's who you are.


But if I did that, I would lose the inquiry just like you described in the opening, and that's why I'm gonna tie this together. Mhmm. The opening is you saw me on Bloomberg. Yes. No.


You didn't. The reflection of me guarantee you did not see me on Bloomberg. Why? Because in the theater of the capital markets, in the theater of Bloomberg, in the theater of explaining the the what was it at the time, the duping of investors by lies told by corporations, I was frequently brought in to unmask those lies. That's what you would have seen.


Yeah. That's right. Yes. But did you see David Martin? And the answer is absolutely not.


You saw a reflected non essence of the man that I am. Because if you had sat down and said, well, what stories did Bloomberg not tell? You know, during the same moments that I was doing the patent fights between Apple and Samsung, I was also negotiating the end of the civil war in Bougainville, Papua New Guinea and ending one of the largest genocides done by a corporation on Earth. You know what you'd never heard about? That.


Mhmm. Which do you suppose is more my essence? Yes. Yeah. The ninety seconds on a patent fight between Apple and Samsung or the six years I spent bringing the most violent, most horrific genocide brought about by Rio Tinto to an end.


And and that story is ex to say it's extraordinary doesn't do it justice. But but this is the point. The point is, so what did you see? Right. And and this is where I find the humor and and tragedy at the same time Yeah.


In the experience I've had with so many people in in the kind of COVID awakening brand. Yeah. Is they go, oh, I'm finally finally figured out that the government's lying to us. Oh, really? That's like you just figured that out.


I think. Right? Yeah. You just figured that out. Book the paper.


You know, how many layers of lies are there? And this all comes back to the problem with the second cranial nerve. We we believe that the illusion that we describe as sight is reality, but it tricks us into not examining the essence of things. So we can be told, oh my gosh. You know, we've got this great new administration coming in.


It's got all these great new initiatives, and I'm sitting there going, oh, not so fast. Not so fast because the essence of what is happening and the appearance of what is happening are two different things. But we've been tricked into believing that the appearance is the story. Right. And that's the reason why we can be suckered into so many traps.


And because of that, I'm a big fan of suggesting that we probably need to reexamine our entire understanding of light and what light actually is. Because I would suggest that everything that is the appearance of light is false. Well and that to me is that Luciferian concept. Exactly. Light.


It's light, and we like light over darkness in many ways. Although, sometimes we would retreat into darkness to kinda connect to something that is more real. That's the interesting thing. In the absence of that light, if people go into these, tanks where they're completely Yep. Removed from their senses Yep.


Suddenly, something else opens up. Yes. And I don't know. Does it beg the question, how deep does that rabbit hole go? Yeah.


So let's play with this one because I I love playing with the story of creation, which object objectively pisses off almost every person who has a faith tradition, and this is my But that's due to their attachment to dogma. Of course it is because let's play with it. Yeah. Day one, according to the story, god speaks. Let there be light.


K? Now in Sunday school books, there's some sort of, you know, luminous thing that they describe. But let's play through the first four days. On the second day of creation, according oh oh, by the way, on the first day, God said that that was in Hebrew. If he spoke Hebrew.


Yeah. Well, no. We've mistranslated it because does not mean good. That's the way it's commonly used. Means fit for service.


Okay. That's the original meaning of that term in Hebrew. We have turned it into a judgment, but that's only in the last fifteen hundred years. Fifteen hundred years ago, 12 meant fit for service. Mhmm.


So day one was fit for service. Here comes the kicker. On day two, according to this story, god separates the waters and separates the firmament. Now we don't really know what separating the ethers is, separating the firmament. We don't really know what separating the waters is.


We don't know any of those things. But here's the kicker. On day two, god did not say it was good. He didn't say it was fit for service. In fact, he didn't end that day with any judgment at all.


K? Now stay tuned because here comes the kicker. Day three, we get plants. All manner of stuff that grows on the earth. Mhmm.


And it's not until day four that we get the sun. Uh-oh. Yo. Wait a second. What about the light on that first day?


What about photosynthesis? Yeah. Listen. Mhmm. What about photosynthesis?


We tell ourselves that plants grow with light. But the scripture itself says that the sun was day four, not day two, and not day one. So what was light? And that's why I'm telling you, I don't care what version of reality you're dealing with. We've got a problem, Houston, because we've got the separation of the ethers and the firmament and the waters and all that kind of stuff.


Then we get plans before it's possible to have photosynthesis. So do we understand anything at all? And my premise would be the following. We know that at the moment of conception, when the egg and the sperm come together, there's called a zinc spark. Now, literally, you know, this is a chemoluminescent moment.


Life begins its persistent journey in the union of the egg and the sperm with a spark. A flash of spark. Yeah. Right? Light.


Very It's not light like flashlight light. It's not light light sunlight light. It's chemoluminescence. Mhmm. Here comes an interesting little puzzle.


That light is inside of the uterus or inside the fallopian tube. Yeah. But it's coming from within the experience. It's not an outside source. Right.


Exactly. Yes. Right? Mhmm. Okay.


So and by by the way, you can go to a beach. Right? There's beaches, like, you know, you can go to Ensenada Beach in in Mexico, and you can see bioluminescent plankton. Mhmm. Okay.


Well, what is that? That is illumination coming from within. Ask yourself a very simple question, which I love to ask people when they're sitting in the room. Yeah. But what about I go, okay.


Cool. Let's let's look at mother of pearl or abalone. Yeah. Why would it be that the interior of what looks like a grubby rock shellfish have the full luminosity of pearl? Mhmm.


And why would a rainbow be necessary inside of a shellfish? And why is it that the things that create the most beautiful internal processed evidence of purity, which has been a metaphor of purity for thousands of years, the pearl? Yes. Why would the luminescent pearl be the product of a luminescence of the interior of a shell that can never experience light the way we think of light? Yes.


The answer is the light is from within. But we don't even think about that. So a pearl oyster probably has a better understanding of light than any sentient human being because it evidences its reverence for light by creating an artifact of luminescence. And I'd like to teach people that metaphor for a simple encouragement. Mhmm.


Right? What's what's your pearl? Yeah. Like, what's your pearl? What is the pearl that you're working on?


And I can guarantee you it's not out there. Right? It's not a project. It's not a now the pearl you're working on is the pearl within, the luminescence, the artifact of the luminescence within. Mhmm.


And know, a parable of the pearl of great price, the man who actually had a pearl. Well, if we understood that story through the lens of what I just described, it's a totally different parable. And it goes with, you don't sell your soul for anything. Yeah. So it's kinda fun to play with that.


Well and and if we look out on the pale reflections out there and what we're experiencing at this time, and we get when we do talk about it, like, you know, when we were on together last time, the preemptive part. I mean, these things seem so superficial would be an understatement Yeah. As far as those things. Those are all, plays on the stage, that concept. Whether it be considered a Shakespearean all the world's a stage scenario, but they're playing themselves out, I believe, ultimately, to get us to rediscover what you're talking about.


You know, we look outside for all of that until we go, I'm exhausted. I don't think it's here. I don't think it's there. Right. It's on the inside.


And we talk about the the the light pouring from somebody's eyes, for instance. Yeah. Are we talking about the reflected light, or are we talking about something else metaphorically? Are we talking about a deep spiritual acknowledgment recognition of I see now at least some semblance of who you really are as opposed to the reflection that you are not? Exactly.


You know, we were talking before this about my 12 senses program. Yes. And one of the things I love to break people's minds open with in the 12 senses program is the fact that seven of our 12 senses are 12 cranial nerves. Mhmm. Seven of the 12 are outward.


They're efferent nerves, meaning that they are for the benefit of others. They're not for the benefit of ourselves. Mhmm. Our senses are for the benefit of others. Now there I'll give you a very simple one.


I use as as one of the metaphors. I have named one of the one of the 12 senses, esteem. Esteem? Yes. It's the capacity to have your face uplifted so that you can look eye to eye with another person.


Now Well, that's the self esteem they always talk about. Do you have self esteem? Yeah. But but this question of esteem, which is an actual cranial nerve, it's wired into our body. The capacity for us to look and engage face to face, literally face to face with somebody or to use the poetry of the scriptures.


You know, lift up your countenance upon me. What does that mean? That means look at me eye level, like, eye to eye. Yes. Let's connect.


Yes. That nerve is fully for the outside value, and it has nothing to do with me. Interesting. So self esteem is an oxymoron. Esteem Yeah.


Love that. Is its own intelligence, its own sense. By the way, on an outward discussion, I talk about interacting with TSA agents when you go down a flight. You know, they try to get you to, put the thing and look at the camera. I'm like, no.


I wanna look at you eye to eye Yes. Like a human being, and and you look at me and then acknowledge. Yeah. And and it's like it catches them off guard because they're used to going, well, the government has everything on you. And so they get annoyed with people that don't wanna do it.


And I'm like, no. I'm just holding on to the last vestiges of being human. Exactly. I wanna look at you in the eye. You look at me, and then they go, oh, I've never heard that.


That's actually Often, thank you. Yeah. Because it's a human experience. And they actually acknowledge it. They're, like, taking out of it for a moment.


And I'm like, I didn't necessarily expect that to occur, but I knew that they were hearing something they don't normally hear. That's why I wanted to do that. Is a cranial nerve. This is one of our 12 senses. So we activated that nerve in that sense.


Exactly. Yeah. And in that moment, what you're doing is you're honoring the life and light within Mhmm. That essence of a person. Yeah.


Now recognize that I just said there are 12 senses. If you genuinely examine what we've been told of the five, they actually represent only 2.7 of the actual sensors that we mislabel as five. So just over 10% of the 12. Yeah. Okay.


Okay. So so that's a problem. Yeah. Right? It's a problem that we are operating Mhmm.


With close to 90%, eighty five %, ninety % Yeah. Of our capacity to engage clouded and shrouded. Well, and then Aristotle was the one who told us there were five, and then the Catholic church imposed a capital punishment for questioning the Aristotelian principle of five zero five senses. Now why on earth would you need to do that? Why would you need to suppress?


What is wired into everyone's human brain? Everybody has all 12. Like everybody, you, right now, watching this conversation, you have 12 senses. I love to joke about the fact it's not really a joke, but it is a joke. In 12/15, when pope Innocent the third decided to create the doctrine of infallibility, which is the principle that what the church says cannot be wrong.


On the same day, he actually put the clerical collar on every priest. And it turns out that by putting the clerical collar, black with a white square with a black band, it hides the cranial nerve, which teaches us how to sense the truth. Truth is actually a sense. And on the same day that the church invented the doctrine of infallibility, it also shrouded from every single person the evidence of the lie by the clerical caller. That was on the same day.


Yeah. Now that was in 12/15. What what would motivate them? Amazing. Isn't it amazing Yes.


That since 12/15, humanity has been told that the arbiters are truth are the ones that wear the uniform of lying. That's amazing. Sure. It is. But it it also is the essence of authoritarianism.


Yeah. If you have someone that has the capacity to access all 12 senses and the ability to see through lies, feel through them, whatever you wanna say, they're done. Yeah. That power structure is over. Right.


And so why would we have to put a capital punishment Mhmm. For somebody questioning that authority? Well Unless the yeah. If they The motivation is you don't want somebody to question authority. So what you're gonna do is you're gonna kill off the genetics and then the epigenetics because the community effect is if everybody sees the public execution of the heretic, which they did Yeah.


What does that do epigenetically? It traumatizes the entire collective. I've often said with great passion and with great compassion. Mhmm. If you're alive today, you are the progeny of cowards.


And I don't mean that in a judgment sense. No. I mean that in A factual sense. Witnessed the execution of the wild type of humanity. You witnessed the execution of the heretic.


And the only reason I can say that with a high degree of confidence is if you didn't, you were executed, and that was the end of your family line. So, you know, I I I talk about the fact that my ancestor David Martin who came in the seventeen twenties, you know, while his father was being tortured in the Trukenwald Castle in Germany, being a heretic. He was in for seventeen years in a torture chamber for seventeen years. He sent his sons to America. My ancestor, David Martin, got off the ship in seventeen twenties, walked to Southeastern Pennsylvania where he built his house and his homestead, which is still there today, still filled with Martins today.


There's a lot of Martins. Yes. They procreated a lot. But if you go back and look at that, you go, okay. So what was that about?


Well, that was about questioning authority. Yeah. So is it any wonder that you're sitting now with David Martin, you know, how umpteen generations later Yeah. Who still has a question authority gene? Yes.


Absolutely. It comes as part of the epigenetics, the genetics, the memory, whatever you wanna call it, of the essence of who I am. Well, this is how I think how we were drawn together. Yeah. Absolutely.


You recognize one another. Yeah. And, also, you know, why I've covered so much in in my broadcasting time about all the people who have been subject to, excommunication in a sense. Yeah. That is you're no longer allowed to communicate like the Andrew Wakefields of the world who boy scoutedly went about their business because they believed it was the right thing to do and revealed something inconvenient to the church at the time, the medical church.


Yeah. Right? Anything that would reference a a link between vaccines adverse events, if you wanna call it autism. Just one example of that repeated for throughout history. Yes.


Exactly. Although they didn't assassinate him physically, they destroyed him in a career perspective. He had achieved a high level. And and so many others, I I always reference Peter Duisburg, one of the brightest scientists of our time coming to America, being brought to America because he's so brilliant, and then suddenly questions one of the orthodoxies that was emerging that Fauci played a role into and a lot of other criminals. And they made his last name a verb, Duisburg, to be Duisburg, to be Wakefielded.


Yeah. And so that history is something I've witnessed again and again and again in this lifetime done in a different way because before it was the executioner's noose or the guillotine in France. Now it was a professional. You're ostracized from the community you were once revered in. Yeah.


And those people did not sell out. They chose a different path and maybe suffered for it, but I think they will be acknowledged in history a little bit differently than in a contemporary sense. And I'm grateful for that because those people I I really love and appreciate Yeah. So much. Yet here we are on the precipice of witnessing some really cool things happening Yep.


In in America and and the impact on the world with Trump coming in, Bobby Kennedy aligning. There's a spiritual event that happened in terms of response to prayers, petitions from Kennedy for twenty years almost. Yep. How he just wanted to be put in a place to help the kids that he saw suffering needlessly. And then he said, god sent me Donald Trump.


Now does that mean Donald Trump is god? You know? Is it we are to worship him? No. That's not the way I interpret it.


It but I do acknowledge that god or whatever you perceive that to be can utilize any one of us in service for a a fleeting moment or for a long period of time, no no matter how much we would judge them from an external sense of look at they they didn't live that way, whatever that means, you know, whether it be written down by church doctrine and we're attached to that or whether we have a sense of it, a goodness that goes beyond that dogma that is threatening right now to those power structures. Well, it's interesting. We have, as a society, been obsessed with naming and judging for a long time. And by naming, I mean, not just naming, but classifying. Yes.


You know, one of the one of the best stories of of history is the story of Nehemiah. And if you go back and you look at that story, the part of the story that nobody in religion talks about is the opening act of that of that play. Because the opening act of that play is here we have a prophet, you know, we would say a man of God who who is serving as the bodyguard to the most despot, horrific, evil, devoid of any sense of light or goodness, ruler of Persia. Yes. K?


So let's get let's start the story with God sends a guy to defend. Mhmm. Like, if you could put, like, Hitler and Gates and Fauci into one character, that's the guy that god sends his prophet to defend. So Yeah. Let's start with that.


Right. Right? Yeah. That breaks a bunch of molds. Mhmm.


But then but then we have a beautiful story that unfolds because in that story, what we have is that Nehemiah is a cup bearer of the king. He's a taste tester. So so he's the last line of defense between an assassin who's gonna kill a guy that deserves to be killed. Right? So let's Sure.


Let's be clear. This is not a this is not a well, but he probably was kind of a nice guy. Right, Dave? No. He was he was like a mass murdering psychopath.


So that guy is being defended by this man of god who, are you ready for this, loves his job. Did you hear what I just said? Loves his job. Why do I know he loves his job? Because one day, he goes into the presence of the king.


And when he's in the presence of the king, it says his face was downcast. Now that's the cranial nerve we talked about. That's the esteem. Yes. His esteem was lowered.


He didn't meet the king eye to eye. Now if you're the bodyguard to a psychopath king and you're having an off day, that's probably a bad career move. Right? Because because the outcome of that is one of two equally bad things. Either you just ate some bad shellfish and you're dying, or you're sick and tired of serving this king and you're ready to off him.


Either one of those, by the way, ends badly for you. Mhmm. So his face is downcast. Right? So he's he's going in the king's presence.


His face is downcast. But the king, having built a relationship with Nehemiah, having built the esteem with Nehemiah, esteem. Right? That cranial nerve again. Having built that esteem, looks at Nehemiah and says, why is your face downcast?


This guy who has no empathy in his life is now empathetic. Why? Because they built trust. They built relationship. And then what happens next?


Nehemiah says, well, king, we've got a problem. The city walls are broken down of my city. The temple's been destroyed. All of the things that are my homeland have been ruined. And the king does what next?


And this is the part of the story that's so beautiful. And we don't teach this because if we taught it, we'd have a different way of engaging the world because what he does next is beautiful. He says, Nehemiah, I'm gonna empty the treasury. I'm gonna give you the money to go rebuild your wall. I'm gonna send the army to go rebuild your wall.


I'm gonna go let you rebuild your city. And he doesn't just do that. He allows every faith community in the empire to go do the same thing because of the service of one man Yeah. Who had built esteem with, oh, that's right, the mass murdering psychopath. Yeah.


Now what's the challenge in that story? The challenge in that story is a lot of people look at the Bobby Kennedy's and president Trump's and go, hey. We got somebody who's actually doing the right thing. I'm gonna encourage you to think about, yeah, where's the prophet that's not judging Bill Gates right now? Not judging Anthony Fauci right now.


Not judging Peter Daschick right now. Not judging Ralph Baerck right now. Right? There's a difference between calling out and saying this behavior is wrong Yes. And judging the man or the men.


And what we've done is we've lost the Nehemiah story. Because the moment of transformation I've had this happen so many times. I can't count. But the moment of transformation in every one of the major life impact experience I've had in my life is when I suspend judgment long enough to go, you know what? I may not even like you, but you're in my way.


You've been put in my way for a reason. And I'm gonna see if I can show up with a humanity that says I can call out your behavior Yes. But I'm not gonna denigrate you, the person. And that's a tough order. Oh my gosh.


Is that tough? That's a tough order. What examples can we give to people maybe someone would know Yeah. That have seen or didn't know that they were witnessing that. I know in your life, you have stories of doing that.


I'll give you I'll give you my favorite my favorite life example of that. Yeah. You know, when I was first introduced to Chris Uma, the warlord who was defending Bougainville, the head of the Bougainville resistance army, I was dropped off at my meeting with this guy, and the last words spoken to me by the guy who drove me down to Morgan Junction was, you know you're gonna be killed today. Now I didn't know that until I was told that. Right.


But it's kinda late. Like, you're getting out of the Land Cruiser, and they go, you're gonna die. Yeah. Okay. Well, probably something that as a fact pattern, you would wanna establish maybe before we made the trip.


But Yes. But somehow it didn't dissuade you. But that didn't happen. Yeah. So so I got out of the Land Cruiser.


The guy says you're gonna die. And I went up to Chris who was, you know, celebrated by, you know, Australian Broadcasting as this horrible warlord and cruel, and he, you know, ate babies for lunch and, yeah, whatever. I mean Yeah. And listen. I mean, I'm not diminishing.


He he he was a he was a terrifying force, but he was terrifying because he was very angry at what had happened to his homeland. You know, half of the population had been killed in a genocide funded by a mining company. So, you know, I I've I've probably be pissed too. How he chose to enact that, that's his choice. But I walked up to him, and I gave him a high five.


Now I don't know how many warlords have been high fived by short white guys, but but, you know, here he is, this ripped, muscular, amazing, very armed to the teeth kinda guy. Yeah. And I walk up and I give him a high five, and I shoulder bumped him. And when I shoulder bumped him, like, it's, kind of, like, how you'd say hi to a really great friend. All the guys who were his bodyguards whipped their guns up, like, because they they saw what appeared to be, you know, the beginning of something.


They Mhmm. Not a lot of high fives, not a lot of shoulder bumps. Yeah. And and Chris looked at me Mhmm. And he laughed.


And when he laughed, all the guns came down. We sat down together for forty five minutes, and then we figured out a bunch of things. And and and the end of that story is we negotiated the end of the civil war and the repatriation of all of the mining rights that had been stolen from by the Australians. In 1967, we repatriated all the mining rights back to Papua New Guinea and back to Bougainville. Now how does a story like that happen?


A story like that happens because he was just put in my way. Yeah. Now I could have sat there going, Chris, you're a warlord. Chris, you're wanted for, you know, war crimes. Chris, you're no.


Chris was a man who was actually doing what he knew to do. He was a killer. Okay. Guess what? Let me tell you the punch line, which is the funniest part of that story.


At the end of our negotiations Mhmm. Chris Chris goes now, what am I gonna do? I said, well, would you like a job? He goes, what do you mean? I said, well, you have kept people like me off of this island for decades.


I said, I'd love for you to be the head of security for me when I come down here. And he said, well, if you if if if you wanted that, could you at least get me a phone? I was like, heck yeah. I still have Chris Uma's speed dial number in my phone. Wild, dude.


But what is that? Like, that's just a guy who having seen a light Mhmm. Back to our early metaphor Yes. Yes. Which was what?


Yeah. It was a light of, I'm a human. You're a human. Yeah. And does that absolve him of the things that were done?


Absolutely not. But if we put it into the context of what genocide he witnessed Mhmm. How am I gonna judge a guy Yeah. Who witnesses the murder of half of the population of his homeland? If we walked in his shoes, what would we have done?


We don't know. I don't know. Am I gonna judge it? Yeah. That'd be ridiculous.


And so so the the challenge is to say and and I've done this so many different places that for me, this is like breathing. But my my point is that we all have these moments where we can sit back and say and by the way, you know, props. And, you know, I I very, very religiously comment on the fact that Kim is is fabulous in my life for for asking me to examine. Yes. You know?


Okay. So you can tell the Chris Uma story, but what about this story? Right? Yeah. She is this accountability litmus test that I have in my life where she'll go, hey.


You can do that wonderful story in Papua New Guinea, but can you do it in this personal interaction? Can you do it in this personal space? And and what I love about the experience of that is to go, I can have every one of those stories, and I have tons of them. Mhmm. And tomorrow, I can still forget in what appears to be an innocent moment.


I can still forget that level of humanity. Yeah. So having somebody who is there to remind you, just remind you, just go, hey. You wanna be this person. You want to be this luminous being.


You want to be an emanator of light. Mhmm. Freaking clean the lens. Yeah. Well and have people around here or you that I guess you trust enough that help you to see it when that lens is a bit dirty.


Yeah. Exactly. And I've said that about my wife as well and also my my producer, Super Don. It's like, if I'm off track, you guys slap me upside the head. Yep.


You have complete permission to do it because I trust you guys know Yeah. What we're here for. Yeah. What I'm gonna wear. And to and to receive to receive criticism with elegance is one thing.


But to receive it and see it as love is a whole another thing. Yes. Right? So Yes. There's there's a number of us who have the capacity to have feedback.


But sometimes we still sit there going, yeah, but it still hurts. Yeah. Okay. That's the problem. Right?


Because if that feedback is both given and received where the intent is love even though you might go, well, it didn't feel like love. Yes. Okay. That's fine. But if it didn't feel like it, there's a high probability that somewhere, and I know this to be the case in my life, stories that I was dealing with Yeah.


Where I hadn't unpacked some of the things that I trapped in my own life as my narrative. And it turns out that the reason why I didn't experience something as love wasn't because it wasn't offered in love, is because I sent it through a filter of going, well, that kind of behavior reminds me of this. That kind of behavior reminds me of that. And what do I do? I classify it.


Yeah. And rather than receiving it as love, I actually receive it through my warped perspective. Right. And so it helps to be reminded to that, and it helps to have someone or a group of someone who have the ability to go. That's the spot on the lens you can clean up.


You had one of those experiences, and you related them in the, meeting the other day Yeah. With Sasha Yeah. About how you've interacted over the years. And, you know, Sasha, I could see had a great love and appreciation for you Yeah. And you for him.


But there was something you communicated in that moment, I think, might have been for the first time. Yeah. And it was it was quite extraordinary. I think it was Kim that kinda brought that up to you. Right?


Absolutely. And and it was it was actually stimulated by her, but I had the help of actually several people who helped helped me unpack. Because sometimes Kim goes from point a to point b, and I I miss a couple steps to the journey. Yeah. So so sometimes I need to have some help going.


Yeah. Yeah. I know where she's trying to go, but I don't understand how we're getting there. Mhmm. And and and it's great because the good news is I have there are people who can help me go through a process of going, okay.


What am I not seeing? How do I how do I get to the bottom of this? But the beautiful thing is having recognized that I built a narrative, and it was my own brand. It was my approach to life. Yeah.


I built a brand about who I was and what my ultimate mission or impact is supposed to be. And what I failed to do in that entire experience was consider my effect on other people. And not in a inconsiderate way. This is where Right. It it gets a little nuanced.


Yeah. Because are you responsible for everybody's reaction response to you? Yeah. Right? If you And the answer is yes, ironically, absolutely.


Yeah. And that's the the weirdest thing. That is weird. Because what you're sitting there going is okay. So hold on a minute.


I just got done telling you about 12 senses. You're emanating information to the community. And if you offer something in generous generosity or you offer something in love and kindness, and I dismiss that or I denigrate it or I ignore it Mhmm. Then what have I really done? What I've really done is defiled the light within you.


And that's not okay even Yeah. If the person goes, well, he's probably really busy. Oh, he's probably too famous or whatever. Whatever the story is. Yeah.


Right? If if I have failed to be true in saying, I'm going to take the time not to have the experience of you, but to understand the essence. This goes back to our conversation about light. Right? The interaction we may have is the reflected non essence.


Yes. Have I considered the essence of who you are? Have I given you the honor of saying maybe what you said hurt me, but maybe you didn't know my religious upbringing. Maybe you didn't know my family upbringing. Maybe you didn't know some of the traumas I've lived through.


Maybe you didn't know those things. And if I'm sitting there judging you, right, I'm gonna throw a label on you. I don't care what the label is. I'm gonna throw a label on you and go, I can't believe you're that kind of person. Well, hold on a minute.


I'm that kind of person because I've just judged what I do not understand. What I said to Sasha was my apology, which was a deep heartfelt apology, which was to say, Sasha, you know, there were times when I diminished your acts of kindness, your acts of generosity, your acts of reaching out as a friend. Yes. And I diminished it because I decided what I was doing is more important. And that's not necessarily and this is where probably a lot of, you know, pop psychologists would take issue with me.


Mhmm. I don't care. Go for it. Take issue. Yeah.


Because my point is, yeah, we are a brother's keeper. We are accountable. We we have a responsibility to say the field effect of what we do Mhmm. Matters. And it matters even when the person who is the recipient of our either indifference or our behavior Mhmm.


Has a different response than what we think was our intention. Because we hide behind that all the time. Well, I had pure intentions. Yeah. Yeah.


But if you were still an ass, you were still an ass. Right? I don't care what your intentions were. And so the issue for me is, and I think the invitation, is just to constantly see, can I do better Yeah? At being aware of my field effect?


In that moment, Sasha, you know, maybe it was Grace or he just glossed over because he loves you. Didn't see it or acknowledge that you had done anything wrong Yeah. In a sense. But here's the thing. The thing is and this goes back to the efferent efferent cranial nerves.


Right? Always loop these things back. Yes. You may have come up with a story that said, well, I've got an explanation. I love Dave.


I've got an explanation for why that happened. That doesn't absolve me of the responsibility of if I was insensitive. Yeah. I still owe you the apology you don't even think I owe you. Right.


I still need to show up with that humanity. I still need to come with grace and say, you know what? I don't even know if you know that I offended you. Right. Right.


But I know that I offended you. I'll tell you what the greatest reconciliation that I've ever had, and this is something that I'm I'm doing very routinely in my relationship with Kim, is saying the number of times when I have received as hurt or I have done things that have been received as hurt. My journey right now is this constant refinement of saying, can I get to a place where I can anticipate the implications of my actions or inactions? And when I see that I've either taken an action or done an inaction, when I see it, can I call it out before the implication of it has landed? Right.


Closer and closer to the Unbelievably challenging. Yeah. That is one of the And by the way, I suck at it. So to be clear Listen. It's a martial art, and I'm just learning.


Sure. But if you do it at all, it's amazing. It's an, a remarkable event. I mean, I witnessed that happening Yeah. In real time, and it was such an extraordinary thing to witness, in that moment.


Unprecedented in what we normally see in human behavior. But but this is the this is a point I've made. You've heard me make this point, I think, even on your show Mhmm. Where I've talked about how much if we want a better humanity, we have to model it. Yes.


Like, we can't sit there and, you know, we've been told, don't don't criticize the speck in your brother's eye if you got a plank in your own. Mhmm. Well, most of us are going around with, like, a whole Lowe's lumberyard in our eyes. Our eye. Yes.


Right? And we're going, yeah. But what about that spec? Yeah. You know, the the challenge is and I'm playing with it because it has to be fun.


Sure. I want my experience of life to be as refined as I can make it. Mhmm. And I benefit from people who offer me the critiques of life that allow me to go, okay. I didn't even examine it.


Now I'm examining it. I've I've I'm a big fan of the work of Peter Crone, and I love how much I've listened. And as I've gotten to know him more, I've appreciated more of his work about saying, you know, rather than stepping into victim mentality, rather than stepping into dualism, rather than stepping into all these these narratives that we find ourselves trapped in, get to a place where you see that you, in fact, are the architect of the experience you're having. And as the architect, if you don't like one of the floors on the building Yeah. Well, guess what?


You built it. Unbuilt it. Yeah. You know, figure out how to renovate it. Do whatever you're gonna do, but don't criticize the building.


Mhmm. Well, and being a living example for this change you've heard, we wish to see in the world. Yeah. You've heard the say statement, the saying, and very seldom is it actually put into play. You know?


It's like, oh, isn't that a great beautiful saying? And then we go on about our lives and reflect on nothing. And yet the reflection, as you point out, is that pale reflection of the light that is not you. Right? Correct.


And you went in, again, coming back to the example of the warlord you met with. Yeah. And, you know, people would say, that was an insane thing to do, right, from our perspective. Yeah. You know, you're going into even though it was a last minute, you're gonna die.


And yet what is it that allowed you to continue forward in the midst of, a mortal threat? Like, oh, it's over for you. Yeah. And yet you did it anyway. Now we can talk in terms of spirit guidance.


Yep. Right? Connection to the divine, God, whatever, but the essence of who you really are. And that communication, that's well beyond our what we're doing in a spoken word, trying to somehow, you know, maybe stimulate an opening of the heart perhaps, you know, beyond just light, but sound. That's an interesting concept too.


Right? The voice. So so I'm gonna go esoteric on you for a second. Yeah. We we don't have a clear picture of the difference between messianic and apostolic.


So let's unpack. Messianic isn't out there. Somebody in a white horse is gonna save the day. Right? So whether it's the John Wayne, and he's gonna ride into town, kill the bad guy, whether it's, you know, chief's coming back.


Trump's gonna come. Where he's gonna save it. Gonna come, and Bobby Kennedy is gonna be at HHS, and everything's gonna be fine. No. First of all, no.


That's not gonna happen. It never will happen because the out there is never gonna resolve the problems I'm not addressing in here. It's just not gonna happen. So so so we've been trapped in a messianic story rather than the apostolic story. What's the apostolic story?


It is to discern in you the divinity that if you access it and you put it into practice Yes. Will emerge and now illuminate from within From within. Yes. Your divine purpose. Right?


So so here comes the kicker. We like messianic stories, but we like them because we want to sit on our couch and wait for somebody else to do. Yes. Yes. The apostolic story isn't fun.


Mhmm. It's actually saying, you gotta get off your butt, and you gotta go do a thing. Now I'm gonna talk about the dark side of that story with Chris because this is the other side of it. Sure. By the way, no judgment.


Just the dark side of that story. During that period of time, I was not overly thrilled with my life. I have suffered from an enormous amount of pain for a long time in my life. It happened to be one of the more excruciating phases of that pain, but I've dealt with that pain for now the vast majority of my adult life. Yeah.


My accident, which is a horrific accident in which I lost the use of both of my legs and had multiple surgeries and two years scheduled for bilateral amputations and all kinds of nonsense, plagues me to this day with I still have an enormous amount of stimulation coming from my legs every moment of every day that most of us would classify as pain. Yeah. I also had during that period of time some emotional stuff that was going on in relationships and other things that was actually negative. So, ironically, part of my indifference to the you're gonna die is I was fully prepared to just go, you know what? If this was the end, I'd be okay.


Now a lot of people listen to that, and they they hear the wrong thing. Yeah. I was exhausted from hurting. And if somebody would have taken me out that particular day, there would certainly be a part of me that would just have gone Yeah. It's over.


Yeah. Because the pain of existence was overwhelming. And sometimes when the pain of existence is overwhelming, you become reckless and cavalier. So just like I can tell the good side of this story. Right?


Which, by the way, I would say is the evidence of the divinity working within every single one of us. We can be devastated. We can be in pain. We can be suffering, and we can still do our divine purpose. Yeah.


And that's exactly what happened because I was prepared to die Yeah. That day Mhmm. Not because I had the fullness of experience, and I was like, oh, I'm ready to transcend. No. Yeah.


Because I was exhausted. I was broken. My spirit was absolutely as sad as it could be. But and this is the kicker. In the middle of that, I still tapped into that divinity of purpose that said, show up today.


Yeah. Do what you're here to do today. And here's the part that I wanna encourage people. You know, don't think for a minute. Oh, Dave Martin's got it figured out.


No. Dave Martin struggles like crazy. Kim has often said, I shouldn't throw myself under the bus, and I shouldn't criticize myself too much. And I understand why she's saying that because she says it in love, and I and I appreciate that. But one of the things that I care very deeply about is to understand the difference between messianic and apostolic behavior.


I don't wanna be anybody's hero. Like, so if you've got me on a pedestal, freaking smash the pedestal. Like, smash it. Take the pedestal. Whack it.


Crash it. Smash it down. Here's the reason. Not because there isn't reason to celebrate the life I live. That is not the reason.


Mhmm. The reason is much more profound. If I'm ever seen as the hero, if I'm ever seen as the guy who's gonna solve the problem, I have lost my mission because my mission is the apostolic mission of saying, can I stimulate within you Yeah? Your impulse to do your divinity, your purpose, the thing you're here for? Because if I can do that, then the ripple effect stops being my story at all.


Yeah. Maybe maybe I was the trigger that made you wake up and go, heck. If he could do it, I can do it. Yeah. But that's where we have to also be truthful and say, I struggle.


Mhmm. I haven't always been the best husband. I haven't always been the best father. Right. I watch my kids who are now having their children.


In fact, last week, I got to welcome number three grandchild onto the planet. Freaking loved every minute of it. My son is an amazing, amazing father, and he and his wife had these lovely two kids now. And my daughter has her daughter, and and I love watching them. But I love watching them be better parents than I was sometimes.


Why can't we critique ourselves that way? Why can't we say, yeah. You know what? I didn't get it all figured out. I'm still learning.


There's a ton of stuff. You could ask Kim right now. Is So stuff that Dave's still working on? Absolutely. And does she have a list?


I'm sure she does. Yeah. But but the fact of the matter is what an apostolic versus a messianic approach is Mhmm. Is to say, if what I can do is I can get you to see the light that you've got inside of you Yes. Yeah.


So that the light inside of you gets brighter. Dude, that's so much fun when you do that. It's the most exciting thing Absolutely. When you see somebody recognize and acknowledge that. And, you know, if you're at that point where you're I don't know if it's a willingness or if it's just, like, breathing.


You like, once you get there, you're like, I how could I not do that? Exactly. Every moment, I have an opportunity to do that. And that's part of the reason why I encourage people, particularly people who have any voice, any publicity, any visibility. I encourage them to be as vulnerable Yeah.


As humanly possible. Because if we can model that I can say things like I'm not always the best husband. Yeah. And guess what? A lightning bolt didn't strike me dead.


I didn't sublimate into, you know, a a a pile of ash. Right. Like, I I I'm okay. I acknowledge I I suck at it from sometimes. Yeah.


And It's like And you know what? Tomorrow Mhmm. I'm gonna work at it again. Yep. And I'm gonna work at being better again.


And it's not better in a judgment sense. It's the refinement that says I want to have an outcome where the best version of me is always the version present. And if I get information that says, hey. There's a better version, and if you could look at this, examine this, work on that Yeah. That would increase the effectiveness, then, okay, let's bring it on.


I yeah. I think there's an importance of these what I call living examples. Yeah. Trying to be a living example because I needed that too to see what was possible Yep. When everybody else said it was impossible.


Yep. For me, the healing journey. Yeah. I had to meet somebody who was worse off than I was and found a way out, a path out Yep. That I could say, well, that's fees you know, for me, the way it impacted me.


And then I said, I wanna be that for other to give them an option, not just and this is the funny thing about this term, putting two words together false hope. You know, what is what is that? I've always struggled with that one because hope, you know, is in and of itself. And they wanna say, well, what you're saying is giving people false hope because they can't do it. It's like, well, why are you always investing in what people can't do?


Right. As opposed to what, you know, I've done now that they've said is impossible. Many things. Yeah. And not because I'm better than anybody else.


No. As I said, to your point as well, the the the vulnerability is like, yeah. I've given my wife a vacuum cleaner for mother's day. That's a horrible thing to do. You know what I'm saying?


I'm not the best at this. Yeah. But she's very forgiving of me Yeah. Recognizing that, you know, the mission I have sometimes is absent minded in certain areas Yeah. That like, who would who would love that?


Yeah. Well and and I think, you know, we've we've created so much transactionality in human experience where somehow or another, we are either entitled to or not. Mhmm. We are either worthy or not. We are either loved or not.


All these kinds of things that are transactional in nature. Yeah. And I know that my own journey has been one where I've desperately tried to find my path and sometimes with elegance and sometimes with no elegance whatsoever. But I have desperately tried to find a path that says, hold on a minute. Every story that I've ever had about unworthy has got to ultimately ultimately be owned by me, not something else.


Now I can I can tell you, you know, how much the programming came from church, how much programming came from family? And Yeah. And there's no question. The hypnosis of my childhood in religion was horrible, and what it did was horrible. I'm not going to ever justify.


There were things that were done and said that should never have been done and said to any human being ever. Because the fact of the matter is it was absolutely categorically unacceptable, and I don't have any problem saying it's despicable. But I also can say somewhere along the line, I allowed that program to become my story. Yeah. And that's on me.


So now the question is not, you know, do I do I somehow exonerate those who inflicted kinds of the mind programming and the hypnosis and everything else? No. What they did is wrong, and I'll speak out against it as long as I live. But, ultimately, the degree to which I've decided to turn that into my narrative to justify my sense of inadequacy, to justify my sense of lack of self worth or worthiness or anything else, that's actually entirely on me. I can't blame that on somebody else.


And what I've found as I've gone through my life journey is the more I take on the understanding, the number one, experience. It's not being done to me. I'm doing it. Mhmm. And because I'm doing it, I can also stop doing it.


Right? Like, that's that's a thing. I have the ability to hit the brakes. Right. And to pick up on your term hope Yes.


One of the things I've tried to remind people of, and I write this in my book, lizard z butterflies, is I happen to despise the concept of hope. Mhmm. Just like I despise the concept of belief. Yes. But the reason why I despise the concept of hope is that it judges the present as inadequate because there's somehow a better future.


Hoping for a better future. Right. But here comes the kicker. If you're judging the present perfection as inadequate, the highest probability that exists is when you get to the future, whatever it is, you'll find what's wrong with it too. So I like to encourage people who like to throw around words like hope Yeah.


To just go hold on a minute. Let's see if we're ignoring the glaringly evident and obvious in the present that because we've decided not to see it that way Mhmm. We're now kicking into the future, this can that says, well, when I get to the future, I'm gonna have a better x. Right. Well Yeah.


Guess what? You'll still be the same miserable, hopeful Yes. Person then. Yeah. And it doesn't matter whether you get the Porsche or you get the better house or you get, you know, the wife or the husband or the son or the daughter.


The issue is you are defiling the present Yes. By judging it to be inadequate. So hope is a temporal concept Yeah. That always puts off that that place or space you claim to wanna be. I'll give you yesterday morning.


Mhmm. There's a funny little just yesterday morning. I was driving up Provo Canyon. Right? As you come up to the what is it?


Trout Lake? What's the lake at the top of Provo Canyon? I don't know all the lake. Whatever the lake is. Right?


But I came up there just as the sun was rising. Oh, yeah. So the sun was pink on the on the eastern horizon, but it was lighting up the mountain range that's on the Provo, you know, the the East Side Of Provo. Mhmm. It was lighting up that range, and so all the snow was glistening with this, like, nearly magical looking Yes.


Pinks and purple hues and everything else. Just absolutely stunning. And I had a moment where I thought I should stop and take a picture of this. And as I had that thought, I had the equal thought, don't defile this moment Mhmm. By trying to capture it in a digital image.


Yes. This moment is divine. It is probably in the sunrises I've witnessed on this planet in a top five of sunrises. I was dealing with some corporate struggles at the moment. I was dealing with some personal things at the moment.


I was dealing with a number of things at the moment. But in that moment, there was perfection. And the thought I had here's the thought I had exactly as I had it. I had, this would be a perfect day to die. Now that's not at all the sober comment that people think I'm saying.


Yeah. I was witnessing the grandeur and the perfection of now. And I had, because of the seven years I spent in Beijing where I was taught to practice your dying breath, to make sure your dying breath was one of gratitude, I had, yesterday morning, a perfect moment where my life was absolutely complete. And by absolutely complete, it goes one step further. It was magnificent.


It wasn't just a good life. It was a magnificent life. And I had this realization that if this was the last moment I had on the planet, this would be the perfect benediction where you just go, what a ride. Mhmm. What an amazing, glorious ride that I've been loved, that I've had the experience of passion in every action that I take, that I am, like I I am this life force where I've been able to make an impact all over the world, and I've been able to make a good impact.


And I can look in the mirror, and I can go, you're a good man, David Martin. Like, you yes. And what a beautiful moment. And and I had this moment, and it was in an instant Yes. Where I went, if this was my last breath on this planet, I would be absolutely 100% pure gratitude.


I would sublimate with pure gratitude into whatever comes next. And I thought, how beautiful. Like, what a beautiful experience. Mhmm. Now we could all argue, David, it's just a sunrise.


No. It wasn't. It was a divine gift directly to you. Perfection. Yeah.


It was a perfect world that was perfectly oriented to speak a perfect message into my life. And in that moment, I got the message, which is it's always perfect. I just happen to be in a quiet car driving up Provo Canyon Road exactly at the moment of the sunrise. And so the kick in the ass that happened right after that was, hold on a minute, Dave. That's every moment.


Now here's the here's here's how it comes into practice. I had a difficult day yesterday. I had some major, major setbacks where some people who were supposed to do things a particular way failed, and they failed miserably, and they failed recklessly. And the what they did was a act of negligence and carelessness. But I had the sunrise in the morning.


So as I went to bed last night, I reminded myself of the sunrise, and I said, okay. Every one of these moments today was perfect. Perfect. Not okay. Yes.


It was perfect. Mhmm. So what do I do with With that perfection? That. Yeah.


Yeah. And suddenly, my mind went into, I can do this. I can do this. I can do this. I can do this.


I can do this. Yes. And I fell asleep in perfect peace. Seriously, perfect peace. Yeah.


Woke up this morning, and I went into a meeting where everybody expected me to be upset. Everybody did. Sure. And by the way, let me be clear. I would have a thousand reasons to justify Yes.


Why Yes. That was okay. Mhmm. But I brought that sunrise. Here we go.


I brought the sunrise from the morning before into this morning, and I thought I'm going to be that sunrise this morning. Everybody who's expecting to be criticized is not gonna get criticism. Mhmm. Everybody's expecting the, oh my gosh. The world's falling apart.


We gotta nope. They're gonna get confidence. They're gonna get a plan. They're gonna get a way forward. All that's gonna happen.


And I, David Martin, became the sunrise this morning. And I was reflecting on that the whole way through the morning Yes. Went to the shop where I had to deal with the problems, and I dealt with them, and, you know, everything's good. Everybody had a course of action to take. Everything was going.


Yeah. And here comes the kicker. I drove down Provo Canyon Road to come to you. Yes. And I got to exactly the spot where I had my sunrise, and I pulled off the side of the road.


And now so that I have the reminder not to capture that moment, but so I have the reminder that is a physical artifact for me to actually go, it's always that day, Dave. It's always that moment. It's always perfect. I stopped and took the picture. So now I have the photograph not to capture the perfect moment Right.


But to give myself a physical reminder that I'm gonna now probably put a bunch of places, and it's a glorious picture. By the way, not of the sunrise, doesn't have the colors, doesn't have anything else. But that's not the point for me. The point for me is I now have a memory, a little totem Yeah. That allows me to go never ever ever ever ever forget the moment of that pureness, of that perfection, and that gratitude.


Yeah. Now why am I sharing this with you? I'm sharing this with you because this is accessible to every one of us. Mhmm. It's a drive up Provo Canyon or whatever.


Wherever it is. Wherever it is. That moment can be there. See that moment. Capture the essence of the wisdom of the moment, but don't try to capture that moment.


Right. Live that moment. Live it all the way. Yeah. That was a good idea.


Come back, you know, come back and grab a little oh, yeah. A little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a sociopolitical realities of the planet we're on. Take a vacation from that in this conversation. Yeah. And realize that it is all perfect.


Absolutely. All of that. All of it. Yeah. And even those folks that we would be, you know, disgusted by it, the vile behavior, all in, in the essence of some of your stories that you've told.


I and I think the pain that you carry, you know, that gave you that piece also. If it's over, it's over. Yeah. Do you ever think if I didn't carry that pain with with me in that moment, would I still have done the same thing? So that's an interesting question.


And and I'm a big fan of not living in what ifs. Yeah. I do. Mhmm. Right?


So for whatever reason, the formula that is David Martin include was that in that moment. That's yeah. A formula, and it's part of my experience. Right. I'm not a big fan of of the notion, and I take vigorous issue Yeah.


With the Buddhist philosophy that humans have this essential suffering experience. I think suffering is nonsense, and I don't mean to diminish people's experience of not knowing how to deal with the situations they're in. Sure. But suffering is a choice, and it always is a choice. You know, I always find amusing the story of the Buddha.


Born into opulence, sees the real world, sees suffering, sees pain, sees everything else Mhmm. And goes out and sits under a tree and gets enlightenment. But nobody bothers to critique that story because the other side of that story is Buddha, the egomaniacal sociopath. And you heard what I just said, the egomaniacal sociopath who was incapable of seeing that he was born into opulence, and he could've open up the castle gates and let the poor in and alleviated suffering. See, we never tell that story.


Yeah. Right? We we wanna tell the story of suffering. We wanna tell the story of the heroes, but we're unwilling to consider that maybe in the perfection of the universe, a prince was born into a castle so that he could emancipate the wealth rather than judging it. And nobody in Buddhism will talk about that story.


Yeah. Hold on. But but but we should. Uh-huh. We should critique it.


Because is it possible that the thing we're trying to escape was a divine provisioning? We just haven't figured out how to use it. Right? And if we used our divine provisioning, we would alleviate suffering for ourselves and for others. Yes.


Now I'm not suggesting that I'm gonna start a new religion at all, but what I'm gonna suggest to you is that a religion that has inculcated this notion Mhmm. That suffering is essentially part of the human experience. That's nonsense. So what that is is proof Okay. Of the absence of consciousness because consciousness would examine your surroundings and go, oh, I'm a prince.


I was born into a castle. Yeah. Do we choose suffering in order to value what we're talking about? I I've, one of my favorite parables is the story of, the eagle that was born in a chicken. Yeah.


Right? Yeah. Yeah. That somehow ended up. You know that one.


And all the time, he's scratching in the dirt with all the chickens looking up in the sky at these beautiful birds flying high above them, and all the chickens said, don't be silly. Don't be stupid. Don't be ridiculous. You're a chicken. And the reality is at any moment, he could've Yeah.


Put those wings out and soared to the heavens. Like, and yet we are convinced or the others around us. We've talked a lot about others that are cheerleading for us and supporting us and even pointing out those things that we might be uncomfortable about ourselves, but in love and and then receive it in love, that we choose the experience so that we know that the value perhaps that we didn't value Yeah. Becomes apparent. And it becomes think, you know, once again, I'm gonna come back to the the the problem that we we find ourselves labeling experience.


Right? We we're the ones who put the labels on. Yeah. You know, we put the labels of suffering or joy on a thing. Yeah.


Well, it's a thing. We're experiencing the thing. The question of consciousness is not a label. The question of consciousness is, can I really perceive that all essence of what's happening and recognize that in every moment, divinity has always placed within our grasp a % of what is necessary for us to fulfill our mission in that moment? I'll give you an example from right now.


We are sitting in your studio. You know what you always had? You always had this studio. Always. It was always here.


Yes. But what it took was a catalyst Yes. To manifest I'm looking at them. Already yes. But this is the thing.


Yeah. It was already here. Sure. Yeah. Right?


This wall Yep. Yep. Was here. It was painted this color. Mhmm.


And and, you know, the chairs and the table, whatever, it's all here absent the impulse, absent the the the manifestation piece. You know, Sasha talks about this, the importance of manifestation, which is not to sit back and wait for a thing. Yes. It's to see a world in which you go, oh, I do have a studio. I do have the ability to do this.


Mhmm. And what is that? That is the illumination, right, to go all the way full circle. That's the illumination of true light because then you now have a very different experience. Because now what's the Robert Scott Bell show?


Well, it includes face to face conversations. You know how much different the experience of a face to face versus a Zoom conversation is? Yeah. It's quantifiably It's amazing. Different experience.


Yeah. And the minute we have that Mhmm. Right? We've been exercising in the in the course of this conversation. We've been exercising all 12 of our cranial nerves.


You don't even know it, but I've been mind melding with you. Oh. And we've been having this amazing experience. Yes. And the cool thing is what has happened.


We've had our esteem. We've had our truth. We've had our sense of the capacity to bear the lightness of the world rather than the darkness of the world. We've had all of these things trigger. Yes.


And our experience is quantifiably different, which means that the experience of the observers and the participants in this are going to be quantifiably different. Yeah. And that was all because you had a studio in your house this whole time. Yes. I sort of reluctantly dragged toward it.


And, oh my gosh, I gotta do it now. But I felt it. You know? I said Of course you did. The moment you said I'm coming.


And I was like, wait a second. I don't have a place. Right? But then I said, well, actually, I do. And Exactly.


All that it took. And you're you were delayed by at least a week, And I was grateful for I don't know how that happened because as much as I was working to get it, it wasn't happening again. It wasn't happening. And it's, like, the the perfect time. Yeah.


And then the added, unknown bonus that was gonna happen with Sasha, which I never met. And we didn't even know. We didn't even know that he was coming when we had that conversation. And then you guys doing the thing we met, connected, and, you you guys will see that tomorrow in the second hour of the show. We'll air that, first studio Yeah.


Interview. And I I always I'm joking with David because he's like, I'm gonna put Sasha up to that. You get you get the harder one. Right? But even today, there's some things that I would've said, oh, where's the third camera?


But, like, this is fine. You just roll with it. This is very exciting to me. And of the feedback that I've gotten over the years of doing the show, when I go out and do what we call remotes Yeah. Where I have my system brought and I'm face to face, sitting next neck, elbow to elbow, whatever, those people love that.


It's like, that's for something extra special about that. I agree. And, to do that, now have that capacity and ability to do that, I thank you for being that catalyst. Well, so that as well. But but here's a here's a segue into that Yeah.


Which is, I think, it's, like, early August, and and I I don't know exact date. But, Joel Salatin, who runs Polyface Firearms, you know Joel? Yes. Great guy. Amazing guy.


Yes. He and I have been having conversations for quite a while, and and what has emerged is a conference where we're gonna bring together people who are not going to talk about problems, but are gonna be talking about their life journeys and their solutions. Yeah. And it's gonna be across all of health and, you know, vitality and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, one of the things that I had a call yesterday was, you know, who are we gonna bring in?


Well, it turns out you don't know this, but you're on that list. Uh-oh. Right? So so but once again Yeah. What is it?


That's just the manifestation of the unfolding of things that once you drop yourself into the river of consciousness and you just go, okay. Hold on a minute. You know, with all of the welts and flaws and, you know, zits and acne and everything else, right, I am doing everything I can do right now to be fully, fully 100% human. Mhmm. Not to try to escape, not to get to transcendence, not to Yeah.


No. I wanna freaking taste every single bite of what it means to be human. Yeah. That's what I want. I wanna be that human.


And then I wanna be around people who are all on the journey of that version of themselves. Yeah. So that the true light, the true essence, that which is within us Mhmm. Is actually emanating. And and I'm looking at that.


And the conversation I had with Joel yesterday Mhmm. With a couple of the doctors who are helping us organize this event, the conversation was, it's got to be face to face. It's gotta be analog. It's gotta be people getting together and having the experience of being human with each other. Yes.


And it turns out that if we wanna make America healthy, we wanna make any of these things happen, we have to move into a space where we show up fully human Yes. With everything that we've got. Yeah. You know, joys, sorrows, happiness, sadness All of it. You know, stuff that we've perfected, stuff that we're in the process of working through, all of that.


Yeah. And all of a sudden, we realize none of us are alone. We may be at different points on our journey, but none of us are alone. And we have the ability to illuminate within each other Yeah. That activation of that photon that you didn't know you really had, but then all of a sudden, boom.


There it is. And then the next one shows up. And Mhmm. David, part of my journey, because I, quote, unquote, suffered, right, illnesses Yep. From zero to 24 years of age.


Yep. I I got all my old age diseases out of the way first. That's a good thing. Didn't know that's what happened. Button you all the way down.


Yeah. And and yet because of that, my journey spiritual journey was like, how do I get out of this place? Yeah. How do I go up to that mountain that you've read about Yep. And be contemplate the naval thing.


Yeah. Right? And then as I got it more immersed in the spiritual journey, the more that message became clear that you aren't to go up into the mountain and leave. You are to immerse yourself so fully in that experience that that is what this is for. Yeah.


Now it wasn't necessarily to suffer because everyone else suffers. I mean, I had my share of that. Yeah. But it was to be that living example that we talked about here and also to be vulnerable. You know, I'm not a living example of perfection, but I've learned some stuff along the way.


And I love sharing it, and I love laughing about the absurdity of it all Exactly. And pointing out the silliest, stupidest things I've done Yeah. Along the way. But at the same time, the the the images that I didn't have growing up about the possibilities of a future filled with health and vitality and movement Yeah. To be able to immerse in the midst of, but you discussed your pain.


My wife, you've talked with earlier about her pain and her trigeminal pain. Yep. And, you know, I've had aspects of that in my life, but not every day. Yeah. And, you know, it's like my heart goes out.


Like, I don't know what I can do sometimes too. But remember that the the the best thing any of us can ever do with anybody Yeah. Is truly walk hand in hand with the experience of you know, I don't have to I don't have to have your experience to be a human in your experience. And it doesn't matter what it is. Right?


You you can be you can be going through a death or grieving. You can do anything else. Even with grief, I I remind people of the acrostic that I've tried to teach people around grief, which is it it's a gratitude reminder in an emotional form. Right? When you stop and think about that, what is it?


It's actually a moment where you can turn it into sorrow, or you can turn it into a gratitude reminder. I really love that attribute of a person. I really love that moment of my life. I really love and what happens what happens is the minute you start changing the energy, realize it was always just energy. Yes.


It always was. Now the job is just to go, yeah, I can plug it into this story. I can plug it in this story. Which one of them is gonna be uplifting? Which one of them is gonna help me?


Which one is gonna help others? Yeah. You know, those are simple questions to ask. They're not complicated. You don't have to have a dog man to do that.


You just have to sit back and say, no. Mhmm. I'm gonna choose the story I'm gonna choose to tell. And that's a pretty simple thing to do. Yeah.


And the tragedy is you can't build a sympathy party around it anymore. You can't get secondary gain for dragging other people into your sorrow. You can't do that. Mhmm. You you you're stuck with, oh, now you're responsible, and you're accountable.


David, what are we celebrating today when we feel like an energy shift that has occurred? Yep. And that is occurring. You know? And I think I talk in terms of consciousness, but people sometimes will just look at the body politic and say, wow.


Look at that shift and how wonderful that is, and we pointed out that that is really the thing. Yeah. But it does reflect something. And, also, some have said we get the government that is a reflection of us too. Right?


That we're not I would definitely say messianic place as opposed to the apostolic, perspective. Yeah. But maybe there's a a movement toward it. And Sasha was very intent on communicating that, and I appreciate that so much about the movement from one vicious cycle Yep. To one that's a little bit more enlightened Yep.


But it's also not the thing. Right? Well, you know, Greg Braden, who's who's a wonderful, wonderful guy, has as a as a fairly significant narrative that he shares lately where he talks about the fact that if we don't change our trajectory, this may be the last generation of un either genetically or technologically modified humans on Earth. Yeah. And and he he talks about the, you know, the hybridization Transhumanism.


Narrative. Yeah. And I appreciate what he's what he's saying. I I actually don't share the the dire nature of how he presents it, but I do understand the intensity that he has. Sure.


And I appreciate his work. I appreciate the fact that he's trying to call this out. I would suggest that we haven't seen the wild type of humanity for a much longer period of time. I think that when we decided that we execute heretics, I decide I think when we decide when we burn witches, I think when we decide that we diminish the voice of women for a patriarchal, you know, warring narrative of of history. There's a lot of places where what we've done is we've stripped Yeah.


The raw nature of humanity into at least a significantly cognitively and consciously modified version. So I'm not sure that I would necessarily agree with Greg's assessment that somehow or another, we aren't already way down the pathway of already being modified. Yeah. I find the impulse, which is what he's speaking to, to be both a very important impulse. But I also think that there's a dimension in which I think the narrative that that impulse can evoke within us is to see if we can reactivate the latent genes that are within us, reactivate the awarenesses as I do in my workshop, reactivate the 12 senses.


I would like to see not necessarily a fear of a cyborg future, but a what I refer to metaphorically as a return naked to the garden. And what I mean by that literally and metaphorically is that the story we tell of the Garden of Eden is that because we were naked and God came to walk with us and we didn't wanna be seen naked, we we were cast out of the garden. No. I think it's time for the raw human to walk back into the garden Mhmm. And actually just invite God to show up.


Because I think that there's a missing piece of the story. We've been so obsessed with the separation story for so long that we don't understand that maybe divinity is waiting for us to show back up. Right? Maybe maybe our angelic higher selves, whatever you wanna call it, maybe maybe we're the ones waiting for ourselves to show up. And maybe by showing up, we actually may reaccess some pretty compelling powers and forces that have a profound ability Yeah.


To offer a compelling alternative to what we see in the transhumanism narrative. We have to remember that and this goes to the political as well as the social engineering. We get the politicians we deserve. Mhmm. We get the social systems we deserve.


If we see those systems as not aligned to the best of humanity, then what we can do is examine our ability to model a better humanity. Because it turns out that if we don't, if we're complacently waiting for that messianic intervention where a sudden, you know, it's all gonna be solved. Right? How many people were convinced that the tipping point was gonna be this emergent consciousness? And I'm sitting there going, no.


Waiting for that is not gonna get you any closer to finding your path to your divine purpose. You're just not gonna get any closer waiting. Act, engage, be involved, and it turns out on that journey, you'll probably bump into divinity. You won't bump into it if you're sitting on your couch. Yeah.


I sense that a lot of the the work that I was introduced to that Sasha is doing is about not waiting. Absolutely. I mean, Sasha is nearly frenetic Yes. In making sure that there are what I I referred to this in a presentation I made at the church of glad tidings. I referred to what I call the armada of arcs.


Mhmm. Right? We we're all familiar with the Noah's ark story where two of everything gets saved except for a couple things where seven of those things got saved. But, what's interesting about that story is it it's still isolationist. What I love about Sasha's work is that he is fully aligned with what I talk about as the armada of arcs.


How do we get as many arcs as possible Mhmm. To have as many things working so that when the old systems collapse and people see the destruction of a financial system that needs to be destroyed anyhow. So good. Right. Yeah.


It's gone. Great. We're gonna sit there and what? Have a have a funeral for the Federal Reserve? No.


I don't care. Like, get rid of it. Yeah. Like, when they see the systems around them failing Yes. The role of the enlightened conscious being is to say, build things that are going to last such that as the old system collapses, the emergent property, which is actually not emergent.


It's been there. Right? Sasha's Bali thing and his work in studio. And everything else Yeah. Is already there.


Yes. Which means as this world falls apart, you don't just sit there going, oh, oh my gosh. I'm not gonna get Starbucks coffee anymore. Great. You know what you didn't need?


You didn't need Starbucks coffee. So when it goes away, it's okay. Mhmm. You may not even need coffee. Who knows?


But if you're going to have coffee, go to that in all passed out. In in, in Costa Rica Yeah. And sit with coffee growers and have the opportunity to see how coffee is grown. Or go to Ethiopia and have a coffee ceremony with the people who first figured out how to do coffee. And it turns out you have a different experience.


Go to Vienna and figure out why the Viennese roast coffee is such a freaking great thing. Like, have an experience. You're never gonna have at a drive through at 09:00 in the morning with SUV exhaust coming in front of you, and you're gonna get your coffee. No. Stop.


Yeah. If that world falls apart, it's actually okay. Yeah. It's okay. So, I said tomorrow, but yesterday Yeah.


Sasha Stone is on the Robert Scott Bell show special edition second hour. Yeah. And how would I prepare folks for what he's doing? Because it some of his audience has never heard some of the things that he presents and how he presents it. It goes So Sasha is in his heart, an artist.


He is trying with every fiber he has to weave a tapestry of a more beautiful humanity. And what I would say is that you can look at Sasha's life, and you can go, okay. There's warp threads that are the ones that go up and down. Yes. And there are weave threads.


They're the ones that go horizontally. And then there's a pile of beautiful string on the floor. And it turns out that that beautiful string is just multicolored string on the floor. Sasha is taking those little strings, and he's tying these little knots in the warp and the weave. And what he's trying to do is show the world a beautiful world.


And it turns out he's using the warp threads of the old, you know, archetypal stories. So he he he's gonna use language. And in his language, it's half antiquities and it's half Marvel comic. Like, he's got Yeah. He's got those things going.


Yes. But that's because he's living in a world where he respects the warp threads of of the through lines of humanity, and then he understands the weave threads of the modern social narrative. And then in into that world, he's tying these little threads. And each one of those threads, you look at it and and and at a moment, you go, well, that's just a knot. Mhmm.


But then you take a step back and you go, oh, no. No. No. No. This is a picture.


Right? The tapestry Yeah. Is actually something that can only be seen when you observe that this is not about the warp threads. It's not about the weave threads, and it's not about the threads on the ground. It's about the artist who knows how to tie these things together.


So you're gonna sit there, and you're gonna hear him say stuff like working for the UN and having CIA coming after him and this and that and the other thing. And a lot of people get tripped on the fact that they're seeing that knot and that knot and that knot and that knot. The gift Sasha gives everybody besides his passion and his flare and his presentation, which is always illuminating and fundamentally respectful because he respects the engagement he has with people. Yes. But the real beauty of his work is to let all of it be and then take a step far enough back and look.


Because the picture he's painting on what a humanity can look like and what a better us might be, what would it like what would it be like to live in a more harmonious way with, you know, nature and with people and with all this kind of stuff. And he's not doing it in this pathetic socialist communist Yeah. Everybody. It like, not that. Like, not agenda 2030.


You you you own nothing, be happy. No. He's he's he's not rejecting the human experience that says diversity and interest and fascination and all those things have to be subsumed in the everybody wears gray suits and goes to, you know Yeah. They they they But there should be, and he goes for a while. Thing.


Yeah. He's not that at all. In fact, you know, to suggest that Sasha would ever not be flamboyant would not to not be to dishonor everything that is Sasha. Yes. But but what I encourage people to do as they listen to him is give him the respect and dignity, which he's deserved because he's worked really hard for humanity.


He's worked longer for humanity than a lot of the people who people think are working for humanity right now. He and I have been warriors together for a lot longer than people who think they have kinda woken up. We were waking people up, you know, two decades ago doing a lot of the stuff we're doing, and we were waking people up to things that happened centuries ago and millennia ago. So so Sasha is a person who has a beautiful gift. He approaches life in a very colorful way.


He brings out your highest angel if you let him. Mhmm. And he is just an absolutely dear human being who I find to be absolutely captivating. Yeah. Well, you've you've opened it up beautifully for tomorrow's second hour.


Thank you to introduce Sasha. Tells me that some part of what I just described might have something to do with Very helpful. Yes. Very helpful. And I thank you for that.


I I mean, I think that was important. So how it worked and orchestrated beyond my capacity to to to weave that. Yeah. What has just transpired, what is transpiring, what is yet to unfold. It's, you know, the the old chills I get, that feeling, that sense.


Yeah. And, going to the place where, you know, I I say I long to go, but I long to be, and yet here we are. Yeah. Exactly. We're not waiting for it.


We're doing it. That's exactly right. And as you point out decades in the making, maybe centuries, millennia, etcetera. But from our human experience in this lifetime, in this body, still decades, a long time. Exactly.


And what do we say to the people that are just arriving? Welcome. Yeah. Like, it's great. I mean, remember that the season of life is ever unfolding, and that's the beautiful thing about life.


I love the idea that like a tree. You know, when it starts off as a seed in the ground, the seed doesn't know which end is up. It sends a little thing up, and it sends a little thing down. If you look at a seed that's germinating, you see exactly what I'm talking about. The thing that goes what we call up Mhmm.


And the thing that goes what we call down looks kinda the same, but it starts adapting to its environment. And it starts going, oh. Yeah. The thing that is getting closer to whatever this light air, whatever that matrix is, is gonna do the leaf thing, and then the other piece is gonna do the root thing. And it does its thing, but it does it, and it doesn't sit there going, well, to be a tree, I need to grow bark.


Well, bark will come Mhmm. And leaves will come. You know? The squirrel that's gonna build his nest is gonna come. But but as the seed, it's just doing its thing.


And so there's tons of people who've been seeds, and it may have taken a California wildfire or not so wildfire. Yes. You know? It may have taken a pandemic. It may have taken a financial or a family or a life or a marriage or whatever crisis.


It may have taken whatever it was to crack the seed open. Yeah. And it may be right now that we've got two little things, just these germinal things that are coming out. We don't know which one's gonna be roots and which one is gonna be leaves. It doesn't matter because right now, it's just the seed is open.


Mhmm. And what's happening right now, I would say more than this idea of, you know, I know Hallmark greeting card versions of psychology wanna talk about emerging consciousness. I think it's BS. What's happened is through a series of events, we have allowed the seed of humanity to crack open a little bit, And we've got a lot of germination that's happening right now. Now we can argue that over a period of the next several months, years, maybe decades, what we're gonna see is we're gonna see a forest.


Some of that forest is gonna be trees that grow fast, some of them slower. That's okay. You know what? The sun doesn't judge doesn't judge the leaf at all. Right?


Solomon, I think, was the one that said, the sun shines on the just and the unjust. Mhmm. You know? That's okay because light is just light. It's doing its business.


That's what it's gonna do. So what I would encourage people to understand is that if this is the moment where this the seed is finally cracked open and for the first time you're going, wow. That's a perspective I didn't think about. Maybe I can get a nutrient from this root. Maybe I can get a nutrient from that leaf.


Mhmm. Okay. Great. All that is is just the first step of then becoming the tree that then becomes aware that through the mycelium connections that live in the ground, you'll interact with other trees. You'll figure stuff out.


You'll share information. You'll do all that through interactions with the sky. You'll have the experience of rain and thunderstorms and nitrogen fixing and all the cool stuff that happens there. Yes. You'll have all those experiences.


And then over a period of time, you'll actually not even know you're a tree because you'll be hanging out in a forest. Yes. And then you don't even know you're in a forest because you're hanging out on this amazing thing called Earth, and all of a sudden you go, oh, I'm part of this whole thing. And then every now and then, you're gonna take some c o two in from the bottom of your leaf, and you're gonna go, oh, I wonder where the c o two came from. And then you go, oh, there's these things running around, and and they're breathing out c o two.


Thank you, people. Thank you for feeding me because as a tree, I need your c o two. Mhmm. And rather than having a war on carbon Yeah. We'll actually celebrate c o two because Exactly.


Yeah. It's part of life. Mhmm. And we'll have all these things unfold. So is it consciousness raising, or is it possible that we're just germinating the forest, which will become the garden Into yes.


Into which we can reenter Yeah. And reaccess the divine. Mhmm. Yeah. It it isn't about waiting.


No? No. Even though there's a lot in time that is hard to fathom, but the experience that I've gotten over this thing called time has brought me here today with you. There you go. And who coulda who coulda planned that?


Well, you know, apparently, both of us because here we are Yeah. In your studio. Right? That didn't exist. That always existed.


Oh, it's beautiful. Hey. I wanna shout out to Kim Martin, your lovely wife. We love her. She's amazing.


And, And she's in Australia Yeah. For another couple warm days Right. And enjoying that. I think right now, she's at a beach Mhmm. Strolling a beach with a long time friend.


So Wonderful. Big shout out to Dave and Leanne and all of the amazing people there Yes. Who are taking care of her. And She's on her way to Byron Bay. Okay.


Her all time favorite place, I think, on the planet. Nice. So she's gonna go be a hippie for a couple days. Enjoy that. And, shout out to my wife.


Thank you. I love you and appreciate you so much for helping make all of this possible for me to do what I do and have done for a long time, and you have put up with me and all There you go. That I'm not all that good at. So thank you, David Martin. I I just, just feel so, the word blessed, gifted, whatever it is about being in that present in this present moment and being here.


Just so many of these stories that we got to share and got and you were relating as well and how it just and and this funny thing, our language is how we use the language, how it reflects. It's like, wait a second. What is it? No. We're going deeper than that.


I think we went way deeper than that. And that light that we are that, we allow, I guess, to come out. And I guess the question is, you know, when do we recognize it in others? And how do you value that more than anything? Yeah.


And I do. It's just an amazing thing to witness that even in some of these people that, we would judge in our former, you know, states of whatever, to to be able to see beyond it. I think that's a bit of what's happening as well. Yeah. You know?


Well and and while I'm not a fan of the dualistic view of reality Yeah. What I do find attractive is the idea that polarity is a natural phenomenon. And polarity, unlike duality Yeah. Is an energy. And if we can understand that maybe maybe for the human experience to unfold Yeah.


It took the service of people who are dedicated to darkness, dedicated to their evil intentions, whatever it is. Maybe it took them to wake up Right. A certain number of people who Sure. Have appreciated for that. Dormant within them.


And so if we zoom the lens out far enough in the giant tapestry of it's all part of this amazing tapestry of a divine plan, is it possible that maybe we allowed things to get so bad that we needed that level of a wake up call? And maybe we can use this as an opportunity to learn not to let things get that bad again. Yeah. So I I think this year these are amazing moments. The minute we can suspend classification, we can suspend our view of judgment.


Yeah. We can suspend those things and just access the humanity that we are. Yeah. What we find is that there is a better angel that shows up within us. Yeah.


And that angel has some pretty cool wings. Dude, totally. Dude, this has been amazing. This is amazing. It is amazing.


Yeah. Another perfect moment. Another perfect moment. And and if you don't mind, I wanna see that picture even though I know I will. I'll give you the picture Okay.


So that you can put it on the show. I might and I might have my my daughter paint it. Yeah. There you go. That that oh, yeah.


This is Yeah. It's the artistry and the tapestry of this life that we're in the midst of, I don't know, cocreating, creating, experiencing, being in. Yeah. So, hey, Superdawn, thank you for hanging out late today because this isn't our normal time frame, but having doctor David Barton in here, we did this before remotely. Now we did it together this way.


How cool is that? So thank you all for those who have caught it live or catching it later and a conversation, I guess, you could say. There you go. You know? Thank you.


Yeah. Thank you. Now we get to, experience even more with the cameras off. There you go. So thank you guys.


Thanks, everybody. Appreciate you so much. We we got a lot more to do. This is only one part of it. And, if there's something that inspires you to do this or even greater, you know, that's the message I love as well.


So thank you, guys. We'll see you later. Remember, the power to heal really is yours, and I'm just here to just kinda remind myself every time I say it as much as you might hear it too. So thank you, guys. Thank you, David.


You bet.