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Crossover

Hey Guys,

I may sound like a broken record player, but I am just SO AWESOME!!!

I prove this by finding Crossover (the most awesome program for mac EVER!) and then using this to get TONNES of records! The only down side is I can't make videos.;) All of my new Special Track records are done with my mac.

Keeping on the subject, I have uploaded most of my Special Track Videos (and still going) to Youtube and added them to my website here.

Dom's run is VERY cool, luckily though, I improved my personal time to 1.10.97 before he got this run! PHEW! I have added it to his videos on my website here.

EDIT:

I'm looking for more possible mini-competitions, if anyone has any ideas I'm open! I'm going to start one on Alpine Hard, you must go THROUGH the Ice-Cave, doesn't matter where else you go.

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Originally Posted by mattrocks_slee (Post 11364665)

Hey Guys,

I may sound like a broken record player, ...

Hi Matt,

yes, you are a broken record player.

The best time ever through the ice cave is 1.25.90.

You can check your website, I found some mistakes (e.g. update date, time of ThC73).

mk

Alpine Medium

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11364694)

The best time ever through the ice cave is 1.25.90.

.dat file?

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11364694)

You can check your website, I found some mistakes (e.g. update date, time of ThC73).

Fixed.

I am now the COMPLETE owner of Alpine Medium, reaching 1.11.97 on Alpine Medium v2. Anything to do with Alpine Medium is MINE!

Check it out here

I am not distributing the .dat file. I might once I am sure it is the best possible.

You are all crazy guys. Those runs are just unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11367073)

You are all crazy guys. Those runs are just unbelievable.

Go with us. You are awesome too :up:

I've made Alpine Hard 1.12.40 today in 5 minutes. This is not hard! ;)

Probably this question remained without notice:

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11362300)

Yesterday Oleg sent me a new record at Alpine Medium. While he sees it on his computer with 1.25.12 (as demo races in the Demo version), I see it on my computer with 1.25.13, though we have exactly the same installation. Question to the community: How is it possible?

So, does anyone has an idea?

Plus, there is a question of similar area. Matt has said that he now uses Mac through Crossover and makes many many records. Can the Crossover be a reason that SSB counts time improperly? :)

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11368520)

I've made Alpine Hard 1.12.40 today in 5 minutes. This is not hard!:)

Nice work! Now I'm really glad I got 1.10.97!!

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11368520)

So, does anyone has an idea?

No idea at all. It just isn't possible. It could be that a 0.01 got cut out when you sent it. Other than that, it just isn't possible.

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11368520)

Matt has said that he now uses Mac through Crossover and makes many many records. Can the Crossover be a reason that SSB counts time improperly? :)

No. I don't make/watch videos on my mac because Crossover can't run the .reg file. It doesn't count the time improperly either, it 'thinks' it is simply running the game.:D I am making records out of awesomeness.

This .reg file is very annoying because I can't play certain tracks like Special by Housemarque and Mongul Slope. (to mk) Could you make an 'extra' Special Tracks #4 and just put duplicates where the blanks would be? Or maybe make .exe files that don't need the .reg file? Would help a lot.

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11368520)

Go with us.

No, thanks, I don't even want to. It's just not my domain.

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11368520)

Probably this question remained without notice:

So, does anyone has an idea?

Can I have the problematic file ? I'll check it when I have the time to.

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11368520)

Can the Crossover be a reason that SSB counts time improperly? :)

Computers are enough reliable to count time properly. The clock is deep in the hardware. You can't change with any kink of software quartz vibrations (or whichever crystal is used).

Perhaps you remember old games running faster on very old systems, depending on the machine speed ? It's just because the software doesn't control it's execution time. For example, it will always use 100% CPU to do its job, even if it's way too fast for the end-user. In the case of Supreme, everything would be faster, including the time, but Supreme isn't CPU-dependent : the clock will always be right.

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11368797)

Can I have the problematic file ? I'll check it when I have the time to.

http://lohec.ho.ua/download/AM1.25.13.rar

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11368797)

Supreme isn't CPU-dependent : the clock will always be right.

A big pity :cry:

TO MATT: (and MK to upload):

You've lost your record because you started this war. Do you really need these world records? We will beat you very quickly.

http://lohec.ho.ua/download/AM_v2_1.11.88.rar

I can be 2 seconds faster, just don't have a time to improve.

Now Michael can easily beat us both. :)

What do I have to do with this file ? I know that there is a tweak to use it the the demo, but can I have a reminder ?

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Originally Posted by mattrocks_slee (Post 11368616)

This .reg file is very annoying because I can't play certain tracks like Special by Housemarque and Mogul Slope. (to mk) Could you make an 'extra' Special Tracks #4 and just put duplicates where the blanks would be? Or maybe make .exe files that don't need the .reg file? Would help a lot.

Interesting. I think about it.

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11368797)

Can I have the problematic file ? I'll check it when I have the time to.

The race, Alpine Medium 1.25.13, is at www.supreme-snowboarding.tk in the Hall of Fame. Please rename it to Guide.dat (or Demo_Replay.dat if you don't use the latest Demo Add/Demo Tracks) and copy it to the Demo folder c:\Games\SupremeDemo\Data\Levels\Alpine\Tracks\Easy\Replays\

(as also described in the "Tips & Tricks"). Then you will see the race with either 1.25.12 or 1.25.13.

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11369436)

You've lost your record because you started this war. Do you really need these world records? We will beat you very quickly.

http://lohec.ho.ua/download/AM_v2_1.11.88.rar

I can be 2 seconds faster, just don't have a time to improve.

Now Michael can easily beat us both. :)

Oh, "war" is a strong word. :-)

Again I had to correct the time: 1.11.89 is still a new world record, and it is online at http://ssb.bplaced.net/index.htm

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11369583)

Then you will see the race with either 1.25.12 or 1.25.13

My answer is : 1.25.12 : Screenshot

EDIT:Really fresh install : ssb_demo installed 5 mins ago, without any modifications at all...

Re: Time problem

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11369607)

My answer is : 1.25.12 : Screenshot

EDIT:Really fresh install : ssb_demo installed 5 mins ago, without any modifications at all...

Thank you. It is interesting. Because: You and Oleg can play via Hamachi, but not with me. You and Oleg see Oleg's race with 1.25.12, while I see 1.25.13.

I have now installed the Demo version without anything else, replaced the 2.02.47 demo race with Oleg's race, and still see 1.25.13. Strange. Strange!

So, we have to find a solution for this problem! But I still do not know which solution. However, it would be confusing if Oleg publishes the race with 1.25.12, while I publish the race with 1.25.13. What shall we do?

And are there any other races with a similar problem? Because very often I have to add 0.01 second to the time! Is it only on MY computer (and why), but not on YOUR computers?

Oleg, can you please check again the time of your AM v2 race?

If you want, I can check other races...

Indeed, it's really strange...It would be a good thing that other players check those races...

Time Fight ! Ready, steady, go !

Round I : one point for 1.25.13, two for 1.25.12 :)

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11369627)

Oleg, can you please check again the time of your AM v2 race?

1.11.88 as usual.

Screenshot

(checked on Alpine Hard demo track. If I'll install another demo track something can change).

My "Supreme Snowboarding Demo" installator is an EXE file of 52060160 bytes. I use only latest add-on by mk for "day mode only" and bug fixes. But if mk uses the same Demo version the add-on is not a problem.

EDIT:

ОК, here it is after installing the demo track for AM v2.

Screenshot

Exactly the same size : 52 060 160 bytes too

EDIT:Your snowmark seems to be modified... :D

No Messing With Me!

Hey Guys,

This is mostly directed at Oleg M:

You should never mess with what's not yours! 1.11.10! I am publishing it here.;)

Re: Time Problem

So, it would be VERY nice if you could check all (! - horrible work) races in the Hall of Fame! First of all original tracks.

Perhaps including Matt? If 3 of 4 see a different time, and not the time in my Hall of Fame, then my times must be WRONG!

So far I published only what I see on my computer.

Have you got some tips to check the races faster or not ? (For example, I don't really see how to check Forest records)

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11369709)

Have you got some tips to check the races faster or not ? (For example, I don't really see how to check Forest records)

To check it faster you just can check all races on the same demo track (just waiting for the race finishing). A bit boring but as it is anyway :)

But what will be the result? Will Michael change the times in the hall of fame to "most common" times?

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11369713)

To check it faster you just can check all races on the same demo track (just waiting for the race finishing). A bit boring but as it is anyway :)

But what will be the result? Will Michael change the times in the hall of fame to "most common" times?

To test a race on its track, install a) Demo, b) Demo Add-on, c) Demo Tracks. But Oleg's solution is quite okay! Click the + button to raise the speed! Then you can check every race in 5 seconds.

I have added an info page to www.supreme-snowboarding.tk. The direct link of the info page is here is here.

To the native English speakers: If you find bad English on my pages, you are allowed to inform me. ;)

Videos

I have ALL of my videos on the internet or ALL my records. So I know I'm alright. It shouldn't effect the Hall of Fame that much anyway if the run is out by 0.01. It will be a long process to watch all the videos in the Hall of Fame, I think there will only be the one or two with this interesting exception. Have you thought that it might be simply because you are running Windows Vista?

ADDITION

I have done the most awesome run EVER on Mongul Slope. 1.49.90!! I will make a video to make sure the time is correct.

I never knew one track could be so ANNOYING!!

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Originally Posted by mattrocks_slee (Post 11369747)

I have ALL of my videos on the internet or ALL my records. So I know I'm alright. It shouldn't effect the Hall of Fame that much anyway if the run is out by 0.01. It will be a long process to watch all the videos in the Hall of Fame, I think there will only be the one or two with this interesting exception. Have you thought that it might be simply because you are running Windows Vista?

Yes, I have Vista. And all others?

Matt, next we should check your 1.11.10 race at AM v2. Both Oleg and I see it as 1.11.11. And you? And Xinfe?

Next example: Your 1.11.88 race at AM v2. I see it as 1.11.89, but Oleg see it as 1.11.88. And you? And Xinfe?

I'll check official tracks #1 records.

I'm running Windows Seven (Vista core, then). No compatibility mode enabled.

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11369760)

I'll check official tracks #1 records.

I'm running Windows Seven (Vista core, then). No compatibility mode enabled.

Thank you! I do not believe that the Windows version is relevant.

I discussed with Oleg several solutions:

A. Let a SSF comitee decide (SSF = Supreme Snowboarding Foundation, still to be founded).

B. Let a majority decide.

C. Maximum time counts.

D. Time on my (mk) computer counts.

C. and D. is obviously the same.

I prefer C or D.

Some minutes ago I was able to play online with Oleg M via Hamachi. I started the server sucessfully (which was different from the times before), and Oleg joined my game. I think the problem is on my own computer.

My computer is a mystery.

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11369775)

I discussed with Oleg several solutions:

A. Let a SSF comitee decide (SSF = Supreme Snowboarding Foundation, still to be founded).

B. Let a majority decide.

C. Maximum time counts.

D. Time on my (mk) computer counts.

I think it should be C. The maximum time recorded sounds good to me. In the unlikely event that someone gets a ridiculous time (e.g. half a second off) we should go for majority rules or the SSF.

The SSF sounds too complicated for this matter, but the SSF is a good idea never the less.

Majority rules won't work because there are four of us. Two on two. Won't work.

Your computer is a good idea, but I like the other one better.

Some good ideas on the table.

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11369775)

Matt, next we should check your 1.11.10 race at AM v2. Both Oleg and I see it as 1.11.11. And you? And Xinfe?

Next example: Your 1.11.88 race at AM v2. I see it as 1.11.89, but Oleg see it as 1.11.88. And you? And Xinfe?

I am yet to look at these videos.

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Originally Posted by Rubin (Post 11369775)

My computer is a mystery.

No doubts there.

As always, I am trying to make a load of videos, sorry about taking so long to get your Alpine Medium and Village Hard videos up, I've got a lot on my hands. It would help if you could create some videos. You could make some on Special Tracks if you want. That goes for everyone, not just Oleg.

I think that it's not that important as long as two records are not in the same 0s01

Let's take the higher time, and if two races are too close, we will then double check each one...

The maximum difference is 0.01 second, not more.

I think it may be relevant if there are two races with exactly the same time. If one of the two races appears 0.01 second faster on ANY computer, and the other one does not, then the first one is the better one. Which should be discussed then in this forum.

I know about two identical times which have to be checked: position 2 and 3 at "Practice by ThC73" (to Matt: ThC with small h, and fjguarino with small f).

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Originally Posted by xinfe (Post 11369831)

I think that it's not that important as long as two records are not in the same 0s01

Let's take the higher time, and if two races are too close, we will then double check each one...

I agree, and then we should found the SSF containing 3 persons - me, mk and Xinfe. The majority decides.

The game can show one time on finish, second time on replay and third time in High_times. The interesting is the track of bzracer: the difference between the time showed on finish and the time in high_times can reach 0.05! I don't know the reason because it is not the numbers rounding function, it would explain only 0.01 or 0.02 difference.

BTW, does anyone know where in the DAT file is the finish line record? Because this is not the final record in the DAT file.

EDIT: Now I know that the DAT file contains exactly 1 record for each 0.01 seconds of race, but the time is counting from start line to finish line. There should be some mark in the record to start and finish the counting, and so the number of records / 100 should be equal to the time of the race.

Example: in AE1.19.19.dat race 8676 records, and the video has length 1:26.76 (1.19.19+7,57 = time before start line and after finish line).

EDIT2: The counting starts on AE1.19.19 at 0:04:55 and finishes at 0:03:02 before the DAT file end, so the race should finish on the 302nd record from the end

Edit3: I've found the mark in DAT file: counting stops when "BF" char ( Ukrainian "ї" :) ) is in the end of the record. Let's see if this will allow us to take the time out from the DAT file... But I still cannot find the start line mark, also there are seem to be checkpoints marks. :)

Problem with playing via Hamachi

I told you before that I was able to play online with Oleg M via Hamachi. But only a few minutes later, without changing anything, it was NOT possible.

So, what did I do.

My successful attempt first, mouse-click by mouse-click:

- "Network Race"

- "Start Server"

- "Start Network Game"

- "Choose Server": my own server (which is "01-PC")

- "Wait for other players!" - waited until Oleg M joined

- "Start Game!" - after some seconds the online game started

My unsuccessful attempt only a few seconds later:

- "Network Race"

- "Start Server"

- "Start Network Game" not available, see picture below:

http://ssb.bplaced.net/Hamachi.gif

Though Oleg M started his server as well a few minutes later, the option "Start Network Game" was not available for me.

So the test for me is: "Start Server" and check if "Start Network Game" available or not. Usually it has to be available after having started ANY server, either my own server, or the server of anyone else. But typically it is NOT available FOR ME. But it can change from one moment to the next! Which is the problem. In 99 % of the time "Start Network Game" is NOT available, which is (of course) wrong. Only in 1 % of the time "Start Network Game" is available. And it can change every second, though I do not change anything.

All typical solutions (restart game or computer, disable firewall and so on) fail. It is like standing at the traffic light and waiting for green.

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11369854)

The interesting is the track of bzracer: the difference between the time showed on finish and the time in high_times can reach 0.05!

That is correct. The time difference is not more than 0.01 second, except 0.04 or 0.05 second difference at "Special by bzracer".

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Originally Posted by OlegM (Post 11369854)

BTW, does anyone know where in the DAT file is the finish line record? Because this is not the final record in the DAT file.

I already tried a lot to manipulate dat files, BUT I failed completely.