Early planning due to issues with Chadwick july 2008 - from Devin Hollands

 Chadwick cabin:  NYS Health Dept allegedly has not allowed the Chadwick cabin to be used for campers as it is has bathroom removed etc..   This cabin was next on list to be renovated by removing central bathrooms and placing one in corner or extending out of cabin…  having cabins where all campers can see each other and their staff member is important.   Like Chadwick - Woodman bathroom cuts the cabin in half and that layout is what we are trying to avoid as we renovate Chadwick and Zigmund. 

Tour of camp for foundation fundraising plans 2010 - Devin Hollands

Chadwick:  Also a camper cabin which will be rehabilitated removing the block of bathrooms the divides the cabin, thus opening the cabin into one large bunk room, the ceilings can be slightly peaked to allow more spacious feel and the hardwood floor sanded and refinished.  A new bathroom wing will be built outside the current footprint extending off the back wall,  The campers can walk into an open sink room to brush teeth or wash hands.. and then enter through the bathroom door for toilet.  A shower would allow spring fall users to better enjoy this cabin which is the most distant from the shower facility. 

Second Floor on Chadwick?    12/2010

buildings and grounds = we are planning Chadwick renovation....  possible 2nd floor for staff housing is new idea... 

Construction Started May 15, 2011 - Devin Hollands

Report to Jennings and Gottfried:

We got the main stuff open and the Chadwick renovation started..  Going out 8 feet on 1 side of Chadwick.. adding full bath... 

Concept drawings from Architect  May 12, 2011

  Used by Devin to meet with the builder

Email with questions from the builder  - Dan Gottfried to Devin Hollands  May 17, 2011, 5:08 AM

to me, Darren, director, howlettb

Hi Devin-

Here are the health department requirements for sleeping spaces for campers:

b) A minimum clear space of 27 inches above the sleeping surface of a bed, and six feet between heads of sleepers, shall be maintained; triple-decker beds are prohibited. Unobstructed space for aisles between beds and access to exits must be provided. Bunk beds shall be structurally sound. The upper bed of bunk beds must, by May 15, 2005, be provided with adequate guardrails.

(c) In sleeping quarters housing more than four persons, 40 square feet of floor area per individual shall be provided, when single beds are provided. When double-deck bunk beds are provided, 30 square feet of floor area shall be provided for each individual. Floor area includes space within the occupied structure to accommodate: the bed, storage for personal belongings, aisles and exitways, and associated assembly space. Space for toilets, lavatories and showers shall not be used to calculate a sleeping quarter's floor area. For structures built prior to 1975, the required minimum floor area for single beds is 36 square feet.

• (d) An undivided room shall not have more than 36 occupants.

• (e) A sleeping room shall have a minimum clear height of five feet above the floor area, and at least 80 percent of the floor area shall have a continuous minimum clear height above it of seven feet. The walls shall extend from the floor to the ceiling or roof, or to a minimum height of eight feet.

For our purposes, if we want to sleep 16 people in the cabin, we will need 480 square feet not counting the bathroom. If I am reading the drawings correctly, we will have exactly the 480 feet needed when this is completed. Can you please check  my figures.

One minor concern I have is that we normally give counselors a lower bunk that is a double bed rather than twin. Will we be able to do so with the current configuration? My guess is yes if one bunk is against the wall at either end of the building. 

 Dan

Refining ideas as we built   May 17, 2011

Thinking out-loud-

Would there be any sense is cutting down to 14 in the cabin and doing a second bathroom at the other end of the cabin so that we coulod spli the cabin in half when needed? That would put us at 14 people allowed, which is what we have in Woodman. We would probably need another entrance towards that end if we did so.

Thoughts?

   Dan

From Devin:

1) let's not add bath at other end. we can always do this later if desired

2) We do need 2 exits so best solution is to use the small exit door in the corner opposite the new bath.    

2x6 would be better - sounds good

TUB was only to keep water IN the tub and not all over floor...  shower stalls tend to get water everywhere...  but not a big deal..  I have been going back and forth on this...

Just use Wonder board (cement board over the floor... so water will not hurt any wood....  Make sure SHOWER STALL is STRONG  as I bet the one in Overlook cracked due to more than one person showering at same time..    FLOOR DRAIN IN THE bath  FLOOR WOULD BE IMPORTANT   for toilet overflow.. etc...

Water heater.. as planning to form a Spot UNDER the cabin extension  pour cement pad for it when we pour footers...   if it can be seen then we would just make shed around it.. Smoke stack would have to go all way up over the roof....

    I was planning to MOVE the SMALL heater from shower house. IF we purchase the new Larger commercial heater (like the large one in shower house)  small one is modern heater in shower house.

Electric box has to be changed out.. the one there only has 2 breakers...      we need breakers for Baseboard heaters,   Outlets,  Lights, Bath -  in bath would like  combination - EXHAUST FAN- LIGHT- Heater...  3 in 1.

ALL windows need to be removed as they are old single pane.   Drawing shows window over the toilet.. I think a High thin window  for LIGHT and VENTILATION is important in bathroom..

PORCH - BATHROOMS WINDOWS CEILING all can be taken out...  Beams nailed under floor (these were used for jacking building)

The cabin has been missing footer in center for long time...  once porch is out beam should be jacked up and made secure...   PLAN calls for a few New footers along the edge of old building...   that assumes the OLD ones are ok..   ONLY OLD one I trust is the one with SONO tube and 6x6 timber..  Alice Naperski did that one and it should be 100%.

YES 480 feet is what I figure as well.. so we HAVE to go the 8'

WE would like to RAISE the RAFTER TIES UP about 1.5'  So the ceiling is a bit vaulted.. so the LONG room does not look so low...   Maybe just nail on the new ties and then just CUT off the end of the Vertical piece that goes from tie to the peak.. and then remove the old ties...

THere is a bunch of 2x4s and such in the LODGE basement that could be good to use up

We will have a DUMPSTER (Dan to order to place in upper parking lot) soon that shingles and such can go into...   any non-treated scrap wood we burn in the fire circle..  burn with nails in place..  but only in the fire circle..

 POWER FLUSH toilet  like in Upper Sweet  have worked well for us...   toilets and campers are a critical thing.. that they work well.

Need to order the SEPTIC TANK replacement asap.. so the bath drain can be connected right into new tank...

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Devin

Notes about Fred Chadwick

From: Richard Gilbert <rsgilbert@uuma.org>

Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:24 PM

Subject: Fred Chadwich

To: <keggcom@gmail.com>

Cc: Devin Hollands <devinhollands@gmail.com>, Joyce Gilbert <jtgilbert@frontiernet.net>

Katie, I remember your grandfather as very active in matters Unirondack. My wife Joyce and I met as LRYers (Liberal Religious Youth) at Unirondack in the summer of 1951. I was there for several weeks that first summer - AUW camp with my mother - and LRY camp. 

I worked on the maintenance staff in 1955 and 56. Then, I became Program Director in 1959 and 1960 while in seminar at St. Lawrence University Theological School. Fred would probably been on the Board at that time. Subsequently, my wife and I have both served as Chair of the Unirondack Board, and have fond memories. We courted there and spent a day of our honeymoon at Unirondack in 1961.

I remember your grandfather as both a no-nonsense hard worker and a man of good humor. A real Universalist!

Dick Gilbert

Richard S. Gilbert

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Rochester, NY 14607-3142

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