1995+ mostly Devin Hollands and Marc Guillaume talking B/G plans and ideas

2006 Dan Gottfried jumps back in so we gear up to fix up things...

if you have info:

PLEASE FORWARD to

Randy Jennings (craftsman)

Randy in Rochester  (craftsman)

Carncroft brothers (craftsman)

also missing: Steve Looney(former crew chief), Renna Komisar(former

crew, program director), Carl D. (former caretaker)

Butch, (current caretaker) does not get e-mail too much

Hello to all, I am trying to get the B/G committee rolling again.  If anyone has an old e-mail with addresses forward it to me.. I am missing

some people here.

For those out of the loop, Dan Gottfried has stepped back in the ring as the new camp director.   this is part of the spark to revitalize our

work and see what we can do to take things to the next level.

We gave camp a little break from projects but it is time to take on more.

To help bring you up to speed attached are some notes from a tour Dan, Marcus and I went on of the entire camp.  I wrote down list of what we saw wrong.

Also attached in excel is a list of projects with some ballpark Costs

attached.

I came up with $40,000 on the first pass!

Good news is for the First time in a while we have 2-3 people forming a

fund raising committee that will focus on bringing in funds.  They are

aware of the needs of the camp and are working to bring us the money to

work with.

Using this list we can create they will have items to show the need to

donors

So our task is to Take the Wish or Needs list and Slice out the parts wewant to tackle and put some cost estimates to the goals and then PLAN

the projects and get them built.

Talking to Dan/Marcus it Seems that we want to Focus on the Zigmund project  and Lodge Project  as the biggies....    the medium and small

projects will fall in place as time and material is available.

Matt and I spent some time on-line and came up with a floor system that will go over the cement floor of the lodge (from Back of Fireplace

towards the lake.. ping pong room would be left out for now.)   

Basically put down vapor barrier, screw down 5/8 CDX plywood, then 3/4"

oak flooring on that, I propose sealing the oak with an oil like linseed

oil, so that there is nothing to wear off like a coating, this is what

we did in upper sweet and it works swell.

Send questions and comments to me, and we can start to talk details as

needed.

If you want OFF this email list let me know..

thanks for your help. 

Additional findings:

Toilets upper sweet overflow thus the issues with the floor being ruined. May want to

use single sheet flooring to help keep water off subfloor

Big problem: Missing power pole between Showerhouse and Artshop – pole rotted away,

now power line hangs Too low and could be safety issue.

Water pipe along side of Showerhouse should be covered with dirt.

All tree branches need to be cut back so NONE touch any buildings. Ant barrier spray

was installed professionally around buildings.. Ant use the branches as walkway onto

buildings and must be trimmed back several times a year as needed.

Consideration for finding a HillSide location for Zigmund.. this may be hard to find but

would create A lot of additional land in the woods Quad. Same thing we did with Smith.

We have not until this year thought of duplicating the building location over the hillside.

Retaining walls: the traditional log retaining walls are extremely labor intense and are

impractacle at this point due to the lack of pressurvative that works. The old

carbolyneum could keep native trees rot free for over 30 years. Thus building a wall was

worth it. Today the trees will rot away in 10 years or so. There is also a labor issue in

getting them built, it takes a lot of work and time.

For areas where we can let the earth take over and growth takes over a gental slope

walls are not needed.

In areas where wall clearly holds back a hill we need something.

Purchased Lumber which is treated with the new safe treatment would be ideal..

Building with 6x6 timbers would be very very fast, easy and fun. And they would last 30-

50 years… Issue is the start up cost of buying the lumber. And also the traditional walls

made from trees.. in my opinion nice timber walls would work and look fine. It is

better than ratty looking walls which we now have that make the camp appear uncared

for.

New Walls can be painted to match existing walls and building thus we would not

project a suburban Green treated lumber look, but a rustic look.

2 examples going in this route are the Steps going to the hill many of which are now

made from precut timber, and also the last generation of retaining walls used pressure

treated 4x4s for the Posts that go into the earth…

The next logical step is full timber walls.

Lighting: a few new strategic outdoor lights could be used at this time. One at the first Y

when entering camp.. while approaching Overlook. An attempt was made to find the old

wire to this area to no luck. The last light there was a solar powered light, but these do

not last long.

On that subject the test of using Compact Florescent fixtures and bulbs has shown that

traditional light fixtures and bulbs are Cheaper to install, easier to change, give off Much

more light and last longer. When a compact F. bulbs burns you can not find a

replacement in a store and if you do it is Twice the cost of buying an entire new Fixture

of the traditional variety. We experienced this this spring and replaced the Woodman

fixture with a standard old fixture that cost about $9.00 and bulb about .25 cents.

Woodman Bathroom:

Drywall finishing, Molding baseboard and door, window, repaint

Graffiti on cabin walls needs to be painted over in White with Kills or some other Sealer

type paint. This in new 2006 graffiti and needs to be covered to stop spead.

Showerhouse Graffiti on boys new dividers should be painted over, like crew did the first

time it was put on.

Staff should be told the educate campers not to deface the cabins, they should be offered

a better way to leave their mark on camp.

Trailer in upper lot needs to be removed, with scrap metal: at shop, and at boathouse and

waterfront. Trailer removal has been approved by both directors. In and outgoing.

Shower house: PIPE from NEW LARGE water tank is ¾” pipe. Tank can handle 1”

pipe and piping should be redone to add larger sized pipe. This could help some of the

Hot Cold issues in shower house. HEATER SYSTEM would need to be redesigned as

the smaller tank is only 3/4”. Right now all water flows in series through both tanks.

With new 1” pipe the Main tank would need to Feed the system with the 1” the smaller

tank would Feed the Big tank, as wood regular Cold water.

IN the OFF SEASON the small tank would supply the needs.

The booster system on the roof is based in ¾” pipe and would need to supply the the

tanks but not run in series as it is designed now.

By the way the valve to make the booster system work is open currently thus it has not

been running through the roof booster system.. what this means is we need to Label the

Pipes better than we tried last time.

B/G meeting camp 8/24/06 Dan Gottfried incoming director Marcus Jaiclin current

director, Butch, facilities manager, Devin Hollands, Buildings and Grounds Committee.

Educate Dan on B/G situation so he can prioritize with the board.

Dan would like to Plan more rather than fire fighting of the current needs only.

Dan would like to get to a goal of a yearly report of:

every buildings detailed information – needs, current status, plans

Infrastructure current status, needs, plans

Long term needs

Daily needs

Has has high expectations of what we can do to make camp better and more functional

and will work towards these goals as time goes on. Dan will work with Butch more as he

learns the situation and Butch’s tasks at hand.

10 year plan to maintain

Marcus set 3 year plan with board

1) new docks, finish upper Leining new rooms, bathroom - should all be done 2006

2) Lodge Furniture

3) Zigmund expansion and move

LODGE:

….Lodge floor is new plan, chimney forward (ping pong room not covered in this plan),

plywood subfloor with ¾” oak flooring, sealed with linseed oil, no finish on top.

Chimney can still leak around edges. Plan in hand is to box in chimney with traditional

framing, flashing with the smoke pipes sticking through top of framed box.

Flashing between ROCKS and the wood deck has NEVER been successful. Flat

traditional walls and roof deck should Flash perfectly.

Door molding never installed or not proper throughout lodge, screen door on front porch

door is gone and might be nice.

Carpet replacement is priority – has to be done properly with the proper carpet. Existing

carpet has lasted 23 years and no seams are showing and no part is worn through!

New furniture, cabinets/shelves in lower lodge, Paint lower lodge walls,

Higher end maintenance – Cleaning of Globes, fan, high windows. Pressure washer will

be tried in cleaning upper windows on the outside.

Rear wall needs to be painted/sealed with black paint – oil mixture…

Piano can be removed parts recycled wood can be burnt

General cleaning to a higher standard

Ping pong table new parts needed or new legs built

Lower bathroom needs to be gutted and redone as part of overall lodge make-over

New wood stove for lower lodge

New windows are needed with screens… to replace windows that do not close, lack

screens and are in poor condition. – Phil Lewin window contact

Certain furniture pieces will stay, including hand-made bench on front, large Kings chairs

in good shape.

Program office better chairs, wire to computer needs to be rerouted.

Gutters need to reach ground with possible underground pipe run-off system like

Gilman’s

Lightning rods on lodge

Rails on back porch need replacement

Ground off screen porch needs to be raised with timbers at step and filled in with sand.

Sweet:

Removal or trimming of bushes around building.

Floral park – Oneonta bathroom When new drywall is installed reconfigure bathrooms

so each cabin has toilet/sink. Devin had a drawing for plan.

Upper bathroom floor needs to be ripped out, new subfloor laid down as needed and new

tiles 100%.

Pressure on water cuts out 100% in sweet at times.

Fire escape needs replacement

Screens to the windows that are marked fire escape do not open OUT , HOOK latches are

on windows, latches that PUSH open are needed, NO hooks should be present

Leining,

Nurse bathroom is Marked EXIT form the infirmary, Nurse can LOCK her bathroom

door thus not allowing exit access. NOT proper EXIT pathway.

GILMAN

Walk-in cooler is dripping water, need to ask Dan Covey from Lowville what is wrong

appears to be condensation runoff not going out he drain pipe

Lightning rods needed

New stove needed

Benches in horse need paint rail at horseshoe needs replacement

New windows are needed in dining hall so the work .

Lake side walls needs rough cut siding

Questions for kitchen> Dishmachine – can it be made to wash dishes well? Is new mixer

needed?

NEEDED:

NEW STOVE commercial heavy duty grade, 10-12 Large size burners

Robo food processor needed

Flash heater for dishwasher could be a problem clean or replace??

Playground, simple play stuff is needed

Showerhouse,

Woman’s paint floor, walls, new toilet dividers (hiney hiders brand like boys side)

Tile replacement in shower #2, shower head replacement in 2 showers,

Ceiling built in,

New washer and dryer needed for laundry

NOTE leining has hookup for washer/dryer in lower Leining!!

Boys side, paint floor

Water pressure and temp fluctuates in womans side to a large degree, as other sources

come on and off.

Overlook

Lower right Molding on doors

Lower Left, new bathroom, configuration using the closet – shower?

TANK for propane by shower house should be looked at close by propane company,

maybe a new one is safer as it is old and rusty a bit.

Zigmund plan a new configuration and move away from Chadwick and build addition

Septic Lid in front of Smith needs to be covered or removed in some way

Lean-to remove barrels replace roof save a few barrels under shop for emergency use.

Boathouse jack posts 2 are needed for center beam

Artshop flasheater not working not wired,

Trees in upper camp can be trimed up to allow sight lines Lodge to Overlook etc.

Trees along Hill be Gilman to be cut back/down to allow look at lake.

Waterfront, rebuild docks in proper configuration.

Unirondack 1996 August  planning for 1997 forward

Lodge Estimated

New Wood Floor lower level $ 5,000 

Carpet upper floor  commercial $ 3,000 

Bathroom, Molding, Paint, cabinets $ 500 

paint walls inside lower, back outside

ping pong room floor

New Stove $ 600 

Zigmund

Move, New foundation $ 600 

Addition and renovation $ 7,000 

volunteer labor

Shower House

Womans toilet dividers $ 1,300 

Paint floor walls tile fix $ 200 

upgrade pipe size in heater room $ 250 

new pipe/valves larger diameter

Ceiling womans side $ 160 

shower heads, washers in valves $ 30

New Clothes washer and dryer $ 700

Outside Items

Retaining Walls - 6x6" timber $ 1,000 

Lean-To roof $ 350

Gilman

New tables Gilman dining hall $ 400 

New Stoves Gilman $ 600 

Paint Stage back drops $ 40

Sweet

New Floor bathroom upstairs $ 350 

New bathrooms downstairs $ 600

Overlook

New bathroom downstairs left $ 550

Field

Basketball hoop and other equipment $ 300

Boathouse

Kayak Racks $ 60 

Sun Fish Sailboat good used $ 600 

Jack posts for center beam $ 100 

Directors Cabin

Rehabilitation $ 3,000 

Addition for office/living room $ 5,000 

Chadwick

Rehabilitation $ 650 

move bathroom, paint, new lights fix porch, steps, water pressure

Kitchen

Dripping coolers

new Robo machine

new Mixer??

Other equipment $ 3,000

Windows

Lodge and Gilman $ 6,000

$ 41,940

Estimates are just from best guess work