I have more and will see about posting when I can find the energy and ...----------------------------T-The City 2012What was the idea?City as in FairbanksOrDark Earth----------------------------T-Book Ideas 2013http://www.errantdreams.com/pages/creepy_plot_hooksTop 10 Over Used Plot Lines: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/937/937703p1.htmlPlot Devices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_deviceBasic Plots in Literature: http://www.ipl.org/div/farq/plotFARQ.htmlBus 13Sister ClaireDark GoldDark WOrldSundered OakPlot:Hero or one we assume is the hero.Villain or one of many we assume is the villain.Victims and innocents, or at least some not as guilty as the hero/villain is/seems to be..-------Story IdeasVampire and CabbieDie Hard 5Bus 13Omega ForceSundered OakInspector DeppSister ClaireAbortion possession. Mother aborts her baby, but baby is not dead? Or it is dead and it comes back to haunt her literallyor mentally.. Guilt or spiritual.Lost in Country: about a man who loses his job, his place to live, his gf and all he owns but what is in his mobile home and/or uhaul.He plans to go south to the lower 48 from Alaska, but did not have a visa, so is now stuck in Canada, not Canadians but no ableto get back into the US cause his Visa can not be proceesed or ...Bus 13: Bus of Sped kids who defeat demons cause of their special needs.Sundered Oak: Group of Orpans in high tech but archaic armor that fight ... the undead or what?DARK EARTH:Dark and damned, and how so?Lycan and like, and all those that came up and out into the world with the blocking of the sun.Undead or spirits or what? Aliens or supersciences gone very wrong or ..Nik Six: Cabbie, dealing with normal passengers but also vampire and other beasts/creatures/beings of the night.Vlad: Fellow cabbie and a vampire, humor relief and knowledge source.Father Ivan: Orthodox Priest and becoming a vampire, but still mostly human. Faith helping..Darin: Kid reporter, working for a cheap rag of a paper, but ..Who and what else? Dispatcher or two? Love interest or fellow cabbies? Female and what else?Known enemies or adversaries? And not your obvious ones?Book ideas, how far have I gotten, not as far as I like, but how to sync it all between laptop, pc and cell phone and how much longer will I have the cell I have.Bus 13- Driver, name, condition- Autistic- Blind- Deaf- ED/Goth- Wheel Chair?- DownJony Depp- Nik Sixx- Vlad the vampire cabbie- Father Ivan- Daril Gavin Cub: reporter, want to be photo-news journalist.Die HardSundered OakGrand Master and Mistress, how open are they?Mik/Nick SixxOmega 13All in the same basic universe/planet?Detective Jon Dep, mixed blood, mostly white, who works in Fairbanks c.1900 as a police detective, and his "Sidekick" actually its his uncle? or cousin? Machette.McCain - cabbie, former cop, who walks into the middle of a terrorist occupation of an airport and it ends with him dropping from the international space station, and to earth.Nik Stix - cabbie, who is dealing with all sorts of humans and other creatures of the night. Be it vampires, fellow cabbies or spirits and ghosts."Vlad, I see someone refused to pay for the cab ride" as Vlad mumbles, giving Nik a look as he continues sucking the life out of a unpaying customer."Sorry sir, you can't beat your wife"."Sir please, put the mirror away". Its okay to smoke, as long as its not magic.BANSHEE COAST:Jose, is as he is leaving the kingship. Assassin, or what else is there? Who else would like him dead or out of the way? A threat basically?Former Royal Family for one?Lords of the Realm to might not like his successor or himself?CAPTAIN AMERICA/HULK/SPIDER MAN/THOR:Or why does people have to become what they are not to be accepted.Captain America, had to go from unhealthy person to be super, via science and chemistry.HULK: Geek to freak and out of control, by Radiation/Atomic Radiation? Or what? Statement?The Sleeping Princess/Knight in Shining Armor/Beauty and Beast?Prince Charming and Princess, and Princess Kiss and Frog Prince?Prince Charming/Princess/Beast triad?Funny how wimpy men can get when there is a chance of getting pussy?Or how beastial men get when they have a chance of not getting it any more?Feminine Wiles and whining, or what men do to shut them up, or to get pussy?Or should it be the geek doing the chemicals and all to become Captain America, or is Captain America really just dumb and bulked up, but women seem to love the bulk he man? or do they? Much of hollywood shows are about geek/average joe, meeting hot sexy super model or like. He the hero, she the love interest, but is it fair to both? Does he have to be a geek? to be a hero to win the girl? She has to be the love interest, or hot/sexy as we define it, or can she be a plain jane and get all the men hot, cause she better for them or its reversed holywood or what?Stereotype in Holywood?QUESTIONS:Hemp - Vegtable oil and if so, how much per acre and how much fuel produced per acre?THC in Hops or just Hemp?How close to synthetic patentantable THC?Hops active ingredient is?------------Jonny DeppNik SixBus 13- Driver- Autistic- Blind- Deaf- Mute?- Goth/ED- Wheel Chair- Down SyndromeOmega ForceMcCain - Die Hard-------------Die HardSundered OakGrand Master and Mistress, how open are they?Mik/Nick SixxOmega 13All in the same basic universe/planet?Detective Jon Dep, mixed blood, mostly white, who works in Fairbanks c.1910 as a police detective, and his "Sidekick" actually its his uncle? or cousin? Machette.McCain - cabbie, former cop, who walks into the middle of a terrorist occupation of an airport and it ends with him dropping from the international space station, and to earth.Nik Stix - cabbie, who is dealing with all sorts of humans and other creatures of the night. Be it vampires, fellow cabbies or spirits and ghosts."Vlad, I see someone refused to pay for the cab ride" as Vlad mumbles, giving Nik a look as he continues sucking the life out of a unpaying customer."Sorry sir, you can't beat your wife"."Sir please, put the mirror away". Its okay to smoke, as long as its not magic.BANSHEE COAST:Jose, is as he is leaving the kingship. Assassin, or what else is there? Who else would like him dead or out of the way? A threat basically?Former Royal Family for one?Lords of the Realm to might not like his successor or himself?CAPTAIN AMERICA/HULK/SPIDER MAN/THOR:Or why does people have to become what they are not to be accepted.Captain America, had to go from unhealthy person to be super, via science and chemistry.HULK: Geek to freak and out of control, by Radiation/Atomic Radiation? Or what? Statement?The Sleeping Princess/Knight in Shining Armor/Beauty and Beast?Prince Charming and Princess, and Princess Kiss and Frog Prince?Prince Charming/Princess/Beast triad?Funny how wimpy men can get when there is a chance of getting pussy?Or how beastial men get when they have a chance of not getting it any more?Feminine Wiles and whining, or what men do to shut them up, or to get pussy?Or should it be the geek doing the chemicals and all to become Captain America, or is Captain America really just dumb and bulked up, but women seem to love the bulk he man? or do they? Much of hollywood shows are about geek/average joe, meeting hot sexy super model or like. He the hero, she the love interest, but is it fair to both? Does he have to be a geek? to be a hero to win the girl? She has to be the love interest, or hot/sexy as we define it, or can she be a plain jane and get all the men hot, cause she better for them or its reversed holywood or what?Stereotype in Holywood?QUESTIONS:Hemp - Vegtable oil and if so, how much per acre and how much fuel produced per acre?THC in Hops or just Hemp?How close to synthetic patentantable THC?Hops active ingredient is?----------GAMINGTerra Nove 2448:Colony examples and how bad or good it could be.Why and how..Invasion by aliens.Losers in a war and now its go to space or be assimilated/destroyed/slaughtered..No War, just persecution, real or imaginary.Economic DisasterEnvironmental Disaster.T-Book IdeasStory IdeasVampire and CabbieDie Hard 5Bus 13Omega ForceSundered OakInspector DeppSister ClaireAbortion possession. Mother aborts her baby, but baby is not dead? Or it is dead and it comes back to haunt her literallyor mentally.. Guilt or spiritual.Lost in Country: about a man who loses his job, his place to live, his gf and all he owns but what is in his mobile home and/or uhaul.He plans to go south to the lower 48 from Alaska, but did not have a visa, so is now stuck in Canada, not Canadians but no ableto get back into the US cause his Visa can not be proceesed or ...Bus 13: Bus of Sped kids who defeat demons cause of their special needs.Sundered Oak: Group of Orpans in high tech but archaic armor that fight ... the undead or what?DARK EARTH:Dark and damned, and how so?Lycan and like, and all those that came up and out into the world with the blocking of the sun.Undead or spirits or what? Aliens or supersciences gone very wrong or ..Nik Six: Cabbie, dealing with normal passengers but also vampire and other beasts/creatures/beings of the night.Vlad: Fellow cabbie and a vampire, humor relief and knowledge source.Father Ivan: Orthodox Priest and becoming a vampire, but still mostly human. Faith helping..Darin: Kid reporter, working for a cheap rag of a paper, but ..Who and what else? Dispatcher or two? Love interest or fellow cabbies? Female and what else?Known enemies or adversaries? And not your obvious ones?Book ideas, how far have I gotten, not as far as I like, but how to sync it all between laptop, pc and cell phone and how much longer will I have the cell I have.Bus 13- Driver, name, condition- Autistic- Blind- Deaf- ED/Goth- Wheel Chair?- DownJony Depp- Nik Sixx- Vlad the vampire cabbie- Father Ivan- Daril Gavin Cub: reporter, want to be photo-news journalist.Cabbie c.1950, ends up taking and old man to the cemetary at Clay street.What----------------------------Kung Fu 2013Update it to modern day or redo or change venue or ???1/2 Chinese/WhiteBuddhist monkMan of peace but action when needed.Man before or of his times?Mike================WORLD IDEAS:Shinda:History.They originated some time in the ancient past, but have found ways/means to explore other worlds/dimensions.Some colonized other planets in their universes, while some moved to other worlds that tie to another worldthat has a portal to other worlds..Abrigon is a universe where the Shinda rose in power in the normal universe and over time created an Empirethat while they were building a Sphere to be their capital, the empire fell.CN-ELF is a multiverse where the Shinda have invaded an alternate earth, where magic came about sincec.1800. The point of divergence was c.1800.Digimon World, possible using this ideas, but with the Shinda being those who designed the dimensions?Or the digimons or what?Story ideas, and the universe, will it look to much like my "mentors" or something different?Zelazny - Amber and othersMZ Bradley - DarkoverMoorcock - Eternal ChampionNorton - Witch WorldAnderson - ParatimePiper - Paratime and like.Farmer - Tier and likeCharacters:How about a survey team form a Earth world that explored one of the alternate worlds?CN-Elf world, where the supers have been waging a guerilla war against the invaders.Abrigon where the humans have voyaged to a world created by the Shinda. Where the lords rule as Gods.I do need some more plot devices, so as to give some mystery to things.. If I was a character in the story,what would I see, do, know?How would I describe my day, but if I was waking up in a medieval world, or high tech one?I need to take a class in writing, if anything to give me ways/means to do things, as well as inspiration andmotivation!?----------------OMEGA FORCE:IIdeas for worldsHorror:Evil Dead rise up, or is it more sinister? Demons rising the dead up, or nanotech AI that wants to take over the world. Or worse, it s a cross dimensional invasion?Scenario:Aliens from another dimension or from space, who have been turning peoples family/friends into zombies.. Subnote: Aliens/AI is forming a cellular organism that is gaining intelligence and ability, and it's subordinates are getting more powerful/sentient. Family members if killed by the players, suddenly return to normal, just before they become ooze.OMEGA FORCE:Scenarios: Presidents Son Alien Hostages Pebbles From Space Evil Zombies from Planet 10 ALIEN ASSYLUM: aliens seek assylum crash land in Kashmir and are taken hostage and the others want them back. Romance possible. PRESIDENTS SON: has been kidnapped by aliens, or has he been? Maybe working for them. TECHNO VAMPIRES: Vampires under the city vampires or aliens with nanotech. PEBBLES: asteroids or something more sinister. Alien invasion or what?The idea of Omega Force is to handle all the fun things that most people can't or will not deal with.Aliens, sons who go wild and end up with terrorist members, undead, demons and more.This is Omega Force.Leader:Techie:Second:Bakaroo Banzai or SGT Rock like?ENTERPRISE:Amish in Space: c.2130, A group of Amish and other groups leave Earth to form a colony on a local space planet under cold sleep, but on arriving there, they destroy their radio and ship and set up a back to earth rural society, sadly they did not know that a colony of another sentient race had already landed on the planet and was setting up a colony on the far side of the planet. The Satra. The Satra are tough, warlike, and different.ALIEN ASYLUM:aliens seek asylum crash land in Kashmir and are taken hostage and the others want them back. Romance possible.PRESIDENTS SON:has been kidnapped by aliens, or has he been?TECHNO VAMPIRES:Vampires under the city vampires or aliens with nanotechPEBBLES:Asteroids or something more sinister.BUS:Bus driver is an undercover officer, while on charter, is taken over by a psycho killer in the woods.SPACE:Skydiversfrom orbit,or terrorist?ISS taken over by terrorists, claiming to drop meteors to earth.Sky divers as a way to get to the meteors or .. Skydiving assault.Maybe way to get onto a tower takenover by terrs.Or a way to get off the ISS, might be a cool way to get to the asteroid before it crashes to earth.Namely to orbit dive from the ISS, using ablative material and retros to guide the hero to land on the asteroid/weapon, and disarm or blow it up.---------------CROSS OVERS:CROSS OVERS:Star Wars andStar Trek andFirefly andAndromeda andFarscape andDr. Who andRestaurant and ?Starship Troopers ?Star Gate ?What other movies and universese would make for some fun? or what might fit into some but not all?Judge Dredd in the ?? universe?What about books you know of that might fit?Traveler?Star Frontiers?What else?Transformers ?Steam Punk ?-----------------DUNE:Dune and its message and more.The players in the book and movie Dune.EmperorThe Landstrad?Ben JesseratThe Houses - Atreides and Harkonan and what other houses in the landstrad?The Guild and its place in folding space?Mentates - Human Computersand who and what else?Duncan - ?Gerney - ?Dr Youn -The mentate -Duke LetoPaulJessicaFreemanThe SpiceWorms and moreQuizataterac - ? Super Being/MessiahThe powers of each group, how seperate are they from stock humans?Harkonnen and its ways and means?Atraides and its house, the Ducal Ring?Genetics and blood lines?Harkonnen and some sort of Vampiric way or ..The daughter the sister of Paul? All powers of a Rev Mother but a child, causeJessica drank of the water of life while pregnant.Folding Space and ..Kids of Paul and his Freeman wife? There was other books and ...Year is some 12000 or so .. Warhammer or ..Gerney is a ...Duncan is human or ...Dr. Yew is a ... trained to resist torture and .Le? Is a Mentat.Frank Herbert, mental orBUDDY AIDE!1-800-342-9647 or 1-866-966-1020 DCOE Outreach Center.1-800-273-8255 Veterans Administration Suicide Hotline, Non-DOD, they do not share info with your command/boss unless you ask them to,so call and talk!The life you save, may be your own!Buddy Aide!1-907-388-2553 Local Fort Wainwright Mental Health Office!452-4357 Local Care line Crisis Intervention.http://www.militaryonesource.com for US Military and families. PTSD and other mental health related problems.http://www.depressionisreal.org/depression-resources.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholics_Anonymous related programs for narcotics/other addictions, and emotional needs.WELCOME HOME!--------------------------------I know I got a more recent copy or something? Fyrhir are .. groan.. Yuan-Ti are reptile..Against the Drow:02/06/04Part 1:Meeting at the cross roads:Old man is met there, who seems to come from no where. He is dressed in white with a black cape on top.Adventure to discover the pyramids and then defeat the YuanTi. as well as the Fyrhir.As the party is walked down the road, some days journey from their home/base of operations, they are met onthe road by an old short human asian male. He is dressed in white robes, and black overcover, and sandles.He bows to the party, and says they are just what he needs for a adventure to save the lands near by from eviland from a perversion of nature. (helps if the part has some good align people or druid/ranger types.The party realizes that the being in front of them is a very sophisticated illusion (Hologram), and he pointstowards the SW. The party realizes after a short bit, that the land is wrong, their feet hurt (or their horse feet hurt),the leaves on the trees look dead, and the land slowly looks like after a forest fire, all grey and ashen.The land is having the life sucked out of it, and the source is further to the SW. They party can walk on the land buttheir horses will have to leave soon, or face being burned (soda the reverse of acid, or so it seems). As well asany boots/shows or worse bare feet, will be burned slowly, and hurt and will need to be healed at minuses.Someone who dies cause of the land, will have be unable to be resurected until the land is renewed. Or someother like means.Part 2:Island, has is in the middle of a lake, that once was in the middle of a land that had been sucked of it's life.The island has a large hole that was blasted into a cavern, man made, that once was the inside of a step pyramid.It has 3 known exits. One that is now covered in rock, that leads down via a formerly optical illusion exit.The other is the hole the party enters. Another is a passage way that leads to a pool, that once was used to holdall the life of the land, but it is now dried up. With several now dead crocodile corpses (undead?).And the final exit that is known, was uncovered by covered up with two heavy stones (former part of the rooms),the room is now mostly rock filled and water is slowly pouring in from the lake. Seems someone brought theehouse down. Under the stones littered around the place, is a pool some 6foot across circular, with carved runes intothe edge. Pool may have a link outside, or other places, not know. Same with the other room (60 foot across,a mirror in size to what this room used to look like.) The passage (30 feet up) that leads to the other room, hason the other end, a large bucket that once once used to collect water, with a double chain system, but it isnow almost totally blocking the other rooms end of the passage, the passage is some 40 feet long.The optical illusion passage is some 4 feet in height, and leads down into the underdark, but not sure where.There is tribes of Stone Dwarves as well as a very scared necromancer/body part salesman.Part 3: Caverns of the UnderdarkPart 4:Magic Items:Bows with crystals installed in the middle of the bow.Crystal Staff, that seems to absorb energy of all types, and then reflect it back into itself or its possessor?=================More coming as I find it and add it here or to Book Seeds..--------------Nov 2012:A SG team goes thru a gate and ends up in a world that is being used by several near by aliens races (human or other wise) as a place for their annual "Olympics" but its more like an annual war they wage and the planet shows the carnage and damage of 100+ years of war..Alternate the adventurers land there to salvage things or adventure and end up at the beginning of the next round of war, it breaks out every 4 or so years and now its how to get off the planet before they get drawn into it?------------Scenario ideas:Lunar Cycle: A old temple that has fallen to an evil force, and as such is can only be in the mortal world for one day every 28-30 days. And then it is off to some evil land for the rest of the time..The players have the 30 days to rescue the temple or face damnation or some other fate..Either the players have one day the temple is in our world to solve things, or they get into the temple and they are stuck there until it is saved. Alternate is the temple goes thru dimensions and you can leave, but you may never get back to your home universe.If they find themselves in another universe, they lose all magic powers, as well as their main stat are cut in half until they are either back to their home dimension, or a month of local time.MikeGurps game possible:Need Gurps books basic, as well as books on undead and magic and tech.-----------------Watch the News today and pick the 10 for the roles below in the show Galaxy Quest:Cmdr. Peter Quincy TaggartLt. Tawny MadisonDr Lazarus of Tev'MeckTech Sgt. ChenCrewman #6 aka GuyLt. LaredoThermians -MathesarLaliariQuellekVillin:Gen. Roth'h'ar SarrisBelow is extra credit:Fan:Brandonand the other fans who helped out.Thermian Engineer:Lahnk-----------------If I were Harry Potter... (use your first 8 people you think of in the presidential elections)Your loveable sidekick:Your Slytherin enemy:The Dark Lord:Follower of the Dark Lord:Your white-bearded mentor:Your Friendly Giant:Your owl:Your rockin' Potions Master:Joe Biden,Michele Bachmann,Ayn Rand,Paul Ryan,Hillary Clinton,Bill Clinton.--------Imagine waking up and realizing that your whole existance has been a giant matrix and that the power has gone out and your awakening to having no skills and means to survive.Imagine the world and what would you see?Machine one or what?Judge Dredd or .. Alternate reality or ..How did it all come about? Same as the matrix or ... survival ways/means WALL-E orGo to sleep and wake up in 100 years cause of a major disaster or lack of resources other than human life.---------Kung fu in 2013, redo of the classic or new or what?Mixed racePeaceful man in a world of guns and violence.Looking for his father family and connection, sounds like a good post-Vietnam story?Aliens the movie:PrometheusAvatarBlade Runner and what other movies could be in the same universe, maybe a different perspectivedo to the person involved in telling.------------------What else?X-files possible.Torchwood possible.might be interesting to find a show that was fast in and out and died andthn work on a SG-Fan Fic with it as part of the fanfic and see?Highlanders being aliens, so you never know. Who was the ancients, and howclose to human was they, they had some genes in common, so that some could accesstheir tech and all but .Buffy/Angel, possible?Matrix for sure, but ..Firefly? Hum, might work but .. not directly?MikeSG1 and Highlander?SG1 and Buffy/Angel?SG1 and Blade?SG1 and Dinotopia? not likely or the original hosts were reptiles?SG1 and Dr. Who? Grin, to easy.SG1 and X-Files hum..might explain some things. Especially since the Greysare in both?Will do more on this thread once I get moved to why I do wifi at and not athome..For me much of it is to see things from the other side of things.Avengers but not as the good guys but the bad ones?Dinosaurs rule the modern world snd humans are...But also was looking to see about getting some gamers and world designersand like, to use the Star Gate or like to make it easier to get from one toanother? or as a way to play SG-1 but need not be canonical or even hightech but even fantasy but the gate world being someones gamingworld/universe..I know some could make for good characters or ideas for people they meetalong the way.Me, an old Norton and Bradley and Moorcock fan, so you might get where I gowith things.I do like the idea someone once asked, why not do a fantasy SG1, I know CJCheryh did something like with her books about Morigaine, "The Gates ofIvrel".The idea of multiple threads and tie ins might work especially for a comedyor a this is the future and they was the past? Especially when some racesand things are the same or nearly the same.Asgard and Greys or .. what ?Grin, love the oyster..I know my gaming world and its connected universe was meant to be used forsomething like SG1 or ... ancients, who built or used a network of gates toconnect their empire, and even when the empire fell few knew it cause offtime dialation and like fun.Mike---------Its ok, done enough erotic in a past life to do much now days.. some of my poems are erotic or romantic and all, but working on happier and less .. romantic..been working on another idea of being a cab driver in a world where vampires exist and are integrating into society..Bus 13, a group of special needs kids who use their special needs and skills to fight the evils of the world, or aliens or demons?Die Hard:Dark World:Sister Claire:Omega Force:Dead People: Or finding out when you died as a kid and became "hyper" it really was cause you was now possessed?---------Logans Run and Next StepOutside the City? Rise of the Planet of the Apes?Avatar and ..Start point for an adventure or story idea?Lord Liths - City comes down and then what? Residents leave but to what? World is not that happy for one.Logans world into Savage World?Cheyenne Mountain into Vekton or like place? Morrow World?Jessica TITS ah nice.. So close and open.FOOD:Soelent Green/Box and the "fish" processor..Voice of Box is black and ...In Logans run its outside DC, the complex basically that was built to survive WW3.Cheyenne Mountain was the same but for western US..What about in Alaska? Denali or ..The Rise of the Apes came and ...Blade Runner? Space and Rep[licants or Lycaine and Vampires..Or the Apes or what?Earth One/Two?Logans Runs cast and Jessica who was she?Return of the Replicants or more like Rebellion of and then what? How long until some do escape and ...how long do they have to live?FUTURE WORLD:Our world post what?Independence Day?VAlien Nation?Predator/Aliens?CAUSE:WW3BiowarAlien InvasionRise of the Vampire or LycainePandoa InvadesRise of the DeadFood ShortageBacteria that eats Petroleum?Massive EMP----------------NYC c.1864 Police:Dont forget the origin of the term 86, its later than 1880s but, I suspect there is other terms and phrases that date from the time period to give it a period feel, as well as keep people interesting? Such as how Fire Engine Companies and like came about? or how good we have it today, with ours being often city run and not private contractors. Whore houses and more.. New York, the bowry or thats Boston? Did NYC have a Guy Fawls or like day, for the local Protestants to march thru the Catholic part of town? China town and more.. Irish Men and Chinese Women or the reverse, a ship full of one and the other and ... need for more women. wild how it can force changes in morals as well as civil rights.End of black slavery, did not end indentured slavery and like.. Also China town, and its Chinese doctors and opium dens. Immigrants from all over Europe for the new factories.. Rise of pistols vs saber. The Civil War was over, but not for some.. A number of vets and the marches for vets rights? or that was DC? Typhoid mary and like quarentine zones.. Irish was being replaces by Italian and Eastern Europeons, but still have a few Black ghettos or just residents.. Harlem was still Dutch but not for long? First subway/trollys and like. Roads and first autos but sitll alot of horse traffic.. Motobikes or bicyles?phones and street lights, other than oil, but electric lamps was ... soon? chamber pots and need for new sewers..whalers and oil lamps.. cobble stones, chain gangs and insane asylums, not sure about debtor prisons? Spanish American war was like 1898. Crimea was 1845, Civil War 1860s.. War in Phillipine was coming c.1900.. air planes was almost, but balloons and dirigibles or .. First "aircracft" carriers was barges with a balloon tethered to it for observation. Barrage ballloons?yes, race riots as many blacks move north.. let alone ones between immigrant populations and faith differences.. Trade unions coming soon. 1864, yes alot of troops coming in and out.. Maybe even a confederate raider threatening the port? First black union army units marched to the war from NYC.. Hospitals of the time period were brutal, especially with the Civil War going on (War between the states) tensions was high.. The hospitals of the time period, alcohol as sanitation and knock ya out for the pain.. Amputations was brutal, and no knowledge of RH factors.. Let along how many diseases came about or were transmitted..Draft Riots was Detroit? Anarchists was coming to the fore, so never know.. have fun..boxing done old school, bare hands/fists, and no protection, so no helmet or cup.NYC 1864, rif with spies, forgein powers, immigrants, factories going for broke.. If things had been a n a little different, it could have been WW1, many of the elements was there, or almost there.. The battlefield carnage sure was there.. Could have spies, crooks and like..Write a reply...this is all pre-EPA, so the city is nasty, filthy, air is dirty and people are dying from it, or might as well be.. Cop, to be a Irishman needing a job or what? Don't forget things like IRA and like groups moved to the US as a place to learn war, set up a base and then support fun back home "The Cause" and we until 9/11 was still rooting them out.. Secret Sein Fein meetings on the battle fields between Union and Confederate members and like.Mild wars between native born and immigrants, Elise Island and like fun places.. Rise of the Mafia, or its early beginnings..Earlier, sorry, misread 1864 as 1894..the cattle yards are full and the butchers are going at it all the time.. An Army needs to be fed after all? Its a major reason for the trains tracks to be built, the trans continental was built for a reason. Irish on the eastern Side, Chinese on the western side.. Gold, Coal, Lead, Cattle and like, people as secondary concern unless it was troops.http://www.galactic-voyage.com/index.php-------------------Re: Elements of a Horror Movie/Story--- In rpgwritersclub@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Adams" <abrigon@...> wrote:>> Looking to add/edit it?>> Elements of a Horror Movie 2011>> Girl - scared> Cocky Boy who really is scared>> Ghost or Demon or like being that is singular or a group..>> Old occupant of the house who died.> Possessed by a demon or ghost.> Possessed by a spirit or force.>> Ghost> Vampire> Werewolf> Fairy (normally an Evil one)> Satan or some being that seems to be like satan.>> Horror movies often are at some remote location.> Some sort of build up, horror story is often the lead in.>> People break up into groups or are separated is almost a staple.> Hot girls that become scared are also a staple.> Jock male who seems to think he is bad but is not.>> Mike Adams> 1998>While I never showed much interest in Horror, I'm currently a bit bored and willhelp you categorize the cliches found in horror.Monster Archetypes.1. The possessed creature or person. (Cujo or Carrie)2. The unbeatable force or dream monster. (Freddy Krueger, Death)3. The creature from classical mythology. (vampire, werewolf, mummy, etc.)4. The evil sorcerer or supernaturally enhanced villain.5. Nature gone horribly wrong, or that's turned against humanity. (killer Bees,the Happening)6. Mortal, human slasher or cannibal.7. Horror from ancient times (Kracken, C'thulu, Godzilla, Dinosaurs)8. The endless swarm of monsters (Night of the Living Dead, alien invaders)9. The creature from elsewhere (Alien, Demon, Leprechaun)10. The mad scientist or insane doctor.11. Hollywood getting hold of a Superhero franchise (Fantastic Four)There's probably more I'm missing here, but this is a start.Hero/Character Archetypes.1. The kid.2. The teenager. (cheerleader, jock, nerd, stoner)3. The mother.4. The screaming girlfriend.5. The slacker turned hero.6. The unlucky worker.7. The father about to be divorced.8. The cannon-fodder minority.9. The cannon-fodder soldier.10. The clueless general.11. The holy man or highly religious character. (useful or clueless)12. The action-star intellectual.13. The burned out commando.That's a fair list, should do for horror characters. I'm sure there's more, butI don't care to watch enough horror movies to look.Plot.Sadly, and this is part of the reason I dislike the genre, there is only oneplot to a horror film. The Villain seeks to destroy the Hero or heroes, whilethe heroes seek to defend themselves or escape capture. That's all there is tothe genre. It's very limited.Anything else you need?(not sure who wrote the above not >> parts but the others?-----------------------Had some ideas for a conflict after watching Avatar the movie.Now that the world tree (oddly Norse?) knows of Earth, its history and current condition of life, its mostly humans, ad microbs, and very little plant and animal life, outside of zoos and labs..What if it decided to "Invade" to save Earths Gaia/Life force or maybe replace it..Using tech much like how invasive species get from one area to another, such as via ships and like, the tree sends a sed of a world tree to earth to plant itself and slowly take over or at least do a recon and the see what next?A plant that uses electromagnetic force to life, may have other means and ways to communicate over the distance of space, such as near instant communications? To include building a Star Gate or ... some other means?But back to the initial plan, in 40 years or so after the initial seeding the tree is active and has built itself an army of either imported pandora life (seeds or ...) or local life adapted to the tree, and now what?Alternate means is much like how the Bugs got to Earth in Star Ships trooper, either via Asteroids via worm holes or life designed for space? A Leviathan from Farscape in intent/feel.. Or maybe a giant tree that is designed to survive space/worm hole or like.-------BOOK IDEAS TWILIGHT 2000:Lost Scout Team, either behind Soviet Lines or what was US lines but its now behind Soviet Lines?Lost on a LRSU/LRSD or like mission is more fun, trying to get home? Carry on the war until they know it is over?Lost Spetznaz Team, same issues as above Scouts, how to blend in, and not get killed, maybe do some recon,or propoganda or war is over and now what? Home to Soviet Union or stay in the US and find sanctuary.------------=========================SPACE STATION LOST:Could not find a break point, sorry: Some is new, some is yahoo group that not sure made it over here?Mike-----May 17:Space Station or Star Base, overt or covert?Covert, the base might be hard to find, part of an asteroid or like and has defenses and weapons as well as other issues oce you get inside?Overt, more open, might be out in the open but damaged due to collisions over the centuries, but asteroid or free floating?Station, more like a fueling station, place for commerce ad like, versus a star base, that might be near a worm hole or like, or strategic location and might cause issues?I think it would be much like an old style DnD dungeon, but having reasons for monsters to be where they are at, with no obvious food sources and like?MikeMay 16th:Working on a station, partially abandoned much like a dungeon from DnD..Slime covered walls, not sure what or who made them.The locals are low tech, barely at our current level.The station is in their Oort cloud or asteroid field.Who built it, or why it was left?Possibles:Aliens, dud, but which kind the humanoid like, or the truely alien or how hostile would they be, or could be>?The station is not in space, but under the surface of the explorers world? Might go for a lower tech group for this one?docking clamps work? oxygen or some other gas for breathing or nothing? or toxic for all?power core still around or it needs to be powered up or even replaced.Weapons caches and what sort are they?Pods and like, anyone left in one, cryo or like and what sort of person? Adult? Child? Criminal or just ...I think, going for a Prometheus/Alien horror feel? Predators around or ...Avatar or like universe, so its possible to have what else?Replicants from Blade Runner or just Androids?AliensPredatorsStar Ship trooper or what? its a Traveller Universe or Star Frotiers or what ?--------------------Abrigon View profile More options Mar 27, 1:10 pmTrue, after all why built it in orbit? Other than a place to build a ship,especially one that can't get up off the planet, cause of size or otherissues.For ideas, its like why the US and like, had to have the Phillipines andHawaii and like.. Coaling stations for one, as well as place to stationships and preposition things..Like in several foreign countries, the US has storage places of equipmentand such, ready for people to come in and do their job. Its easier thanhaving to get a fleet of cargo ships up and ready, then with warshipsprotecting them and to the combat zone. Especially these days when a war orconflict can flare up quickly.. Regional needs, such as depots in likKuwait, that if Iraq or other places need action the stuff is alreadythere, it does raise issues of if the host country is in danger ofrebellion and like, or why a number of US supplied arms and such was fallinto other than friendly hands cause the depot ours or the governments onewas over run and fell into the hands of the new government.Space station or battle station? Ships protect it, or it has big guns andlike of its own? Missles and like, or ..But yes, the idea is to use the now abandoned, cause not sure of how or whyit was abandoned.. Its now unoccupied, its owners long gone or ..Or the former owners are now degenerated residents of the station? Thereason for the monsters?Mike------------------I see space stations the way the Elizabeth Moon uses them as ports forships to large and non aerodynamic to land on the surface of a world. Forthose who may not be familiar with Ms Moons works these stations are giantcities in space whose job is like any port move cargo both fortransshipment and to be passed down to the surface. It has shipyards torepair damage up to and including building a new ship and it is the homefor the space defence forces and revenue collecting services. They serveall the needs of the space faring communities. Also there are stations outon the shipping routes that are were places ,in the beginning ofexploration and trade,where you stopped for supplies ,fuel and rest on longjumps. Some of these are now border stations but most are now forgotten andmostly abandoned or taken over buy the less savory people in spaceexploitation and if you as adventurers stop there you can have adventuresor even just refuel your ship and move on. But be careful who you trust.Read Elizabeth Moons Vatta Wars or her Serrano Books for more ideas.- Hide quoted text ---- In Abrigon-Wo...@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:- Hide quoted text -> Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged orused> as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.> Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?> Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.> The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),> Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or> like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?> What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it> as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie> universes.> Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.> Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?> Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what> systems would be the best for something like this?> Mike> -------------------> Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?> Smugglers?> Recon or forward base?> Salvage?> Base for Piracy?> Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for> salvage but ..> I think something depends on who finds it?> If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix> the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..> IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own,or> they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found> the starbase.> Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,> abandoned it and what?> What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as possible.> Dr. Who or ...> who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..> Mike---------Abrigon View profile More options Mar 27, 4:36 pmTrue how many towns that used to service cattle are now long gone? Somesurvived and thrived but not all.Anchorage to the south of here, started as a port and logistical hub intothe interior and area around it.. Or why the rail road and road networkgoes to it.There is other places, Valdez for one, the oil and fishing. They builtWhittier years ago, before I think Anchorage, cause it was a deep waterport, things change and now. Whittier you got to go thru a tunnel thru amountain to get to it.Anchorage was also the place where the early telegraph and then phone wasrun from.Also it being a nice flat piece of land, was good for the Air Strip or twothere for the Army and then the Air Force.MikeOn Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Warren Peters <redgriffin...@yahoo.com>wrote:- Hide quoted text -> Your right why build it in orbit as I said you could build it anyplace in> FASA's Star Trek all the races have tugs that can tow space stations where> ever they are needed you could also build a station where you needed it.> As for Defense why was the US Navy Marines, Air Corp and Army in Hawaii> , the Philippines and Guam in 1941; it was to defend Hawaii the> Philippines and Guam from attack and to defend the people who lived> there. In fact Oahu and Manila Bay had some of the strongest defenses in> the area on paper.So you would use your fleet to aid in defense by> engaging your opponents beginning at long range and doing it for a long> period of time so to capture a station would be cost prohibited.and your> Revenue Service to collect your tariffs and enforce regulations around the> station.> The reason for abandonment can be for anything if you get on a train in> Portland Oregon and ride to Chicago you will find places that at onetime> had station but they closed and the town died because trains stopped coming> to town or the reason for the station never panned out so it was abandonedso> there can be any number of reasons for abandonment. Hell it's a game you> can make the reason.> *From:* Abrigon <abri...@gmail.com>> *To:* Abrigon-World AWG <abrigon-world@googlegroups.com>; Abrigon World> AWY <Abrigon-Wo...@yahoogroups.com>; StargruntsOOC <> stargrunts...@yahoogroups.com>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:10 PM> *Subject:* [Abrigon-World] Abandoned Star Base> True, after all why built it in orbit? Other than a place to build a ship,> especially one that can't get up off the planet, cause of size or other> issues.> For ideas, its like why the US and like, had to have the Phillipines and> Hawaii and like.. Coaling stations for one, as well as place to station> ships and preposition things..> Like in several foreign countries, the US has storage places of equipment> and such, ready for people to come in and do their job. Its easier than> having to get a fleet of cargo ships up and ready, then with warships> protecting them and to the combat zone. Especially these days when a war or> conflict can flare up quickly.. Regional needs, such as depots in lik> Kuwait, that if Iraq or other places need action the stuff is already> there, it does raise issues of if the host country is in danger of> rebellion and like, or why a number of US supplied arms and such was fall> into other than friendly hands cause the depot ours or the governments one> was over run and fell into the hands of the new government.> Space station or battle station? Ships protect it, or it has big guns and> like of its own? Missles and like, or ..> But yes, the idea is to use the now abandoned, cause not sure of how or> why it was abandoned.. Its now unoccupied, its owners long gone or ..> Or the former owners are now degenerated residents of the station? The> reason for the monsters?> Mike> ------------------> I see space stations the way the Elizabeth Moon uses them as ports for> ships to large and non aerodynamic to land on the surface of a world. For> those who may not be familiar with Ms Moons works these stations are giant> cities in space whose job is like any port move cargo both for> transshipment and to be passed down to the surface. It has shipyards to> repair damage up to and including building a new ship and it is the home> for the space defence forces and revenue collecting services. They serve> all the needs of the space faring communities. Also there are stations out> on the shipping routes that are were places ,in the beginning of> exploration and trade,where you stopped for supplies ,fuel and rest on long> jumps. Some of these are now border stations but most are now forgotten and> mostly abandoned or taken over buy the less savory people in space> exploitation and if you as adventurers stop there you can have adventures> or even just refuel your ship and move on. But be careful who you trust.> Read Elizabeth Moons Vatta Wars or her Serrano Books for more ideas.> - Hide quoted text -> --- In Abrigon-Wo...@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:> > Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged or> used> > as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.> > Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?> > Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.> > The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),> > Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or> > like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?> > What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it> > as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie> > universes.> > Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.> > Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?> > Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what> > systems would be the best for something like this?> > Mike> > -------------------> > Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?> > Smugglers?> > Recon or forward base?> > Salvage?> > Base for Piracy?> > Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for> > salvage but ..> > I think something depends on who finds it?> > If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix> > the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..> > IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own,> or> > they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found> > the starbase.> > Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,> > abandoned it and what?> > What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as> possible.> > Dr. Who or ...> > who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..> > Mike> --> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Poetry-L/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adulthumor-L/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Abrigon-World/> __._,_.___> Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional> Change settings via the Web<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Abrigon-World/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJna3VlMnN...>(Yahoo! 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Mechanical or bio-mechanical or even somethingtruely alien? Such as Star Ship Trooper "Bugs" and what sort ofspace station they might have?Base or station?Fueling point? Depot for weapons and troops/ships/etc..FTL2448 or Star Trek? Piper and Space Viking or ..MikeOn Mar 27, 4:36 pm, Abrigon <abri...@gmail.com> wrote:- Hide quoted text -> True how many towns that used to service cattle are now long gone? Some> survived and thrived but not all.> Anchorage to the south of here, started as a port and logistical hub into> the interior and area around it.. Or why the rail road and road network> goes to it.> There is other places, Valdez for one, the oil and fishing. They built> Whittier years ago, before I think Anchorage, cause it was a deep water> port, things change and now. Whittier you got to go thru a tunnel thru a> mountain to get to it.> Anchorage was also the place where the early telegraph and then phone was> run from.> Also it being a nice flat piece of land, was good for the Air Strip or two> there for the Army and then the Air Force.> Mike> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Warren Peters <redgriffin...@yahoo.com>wrote:> > Your right why build it in orbit as I said you could build it anyplace in> > FASA's Star Trek all the races have tugs that can tow space stations where> > ever they are needed you could also build a station where you needed it.> > As for Defense why was the US Navy Marines, Air Corp and Army in Hawaii> > , the Philippines and Guam in 1941; it was to defend Hawaii the> > Philippines and Guam from attack and to defend the people who lived> > there. In fact Oahu and Manila Bay had some of the strongest defenses in> > the area on paper.So you would use your fleet to aid in defense by> > engaging your opponents beginning at long range and doing it for a long> > period of time so to capture a station would be cost prohibited.and your> > Revenue Service to collect your tariffs and enforce regulations around the> > station.> > The reason for abandonment can be for anything if you get on a train in> > Portland Oregon and ride to Chicago you will find places that at onetime> > had station but they closed and the town died because trains stopped coming> > to town or the reason for the station never panned out so it was abandonedso> > there can be any number of reasons for abandonment. Hell it's a game you> > can make the reason.> > *From:* Abrigon <abri...@gmail.com>> > *To:* Abrigon-World AWG <abrigon-world@googlegroups.com>; Abrigon World> > AWY <Abrigon-Wo...@yahoogroups.com>; StargruntsOOC <> > stargrunts...@yahoogroups.com>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:10 PM> > *Subject:* [Abrigon-World] Abandoned Star Base> > True, after all why built it in orbit? Other than a place to build a ship,> > especially one that can't get up off the planet, cause of size or other> > issues.> > For ideas, its like why the US and like, had to have the Phillipines and> > Hawaii and like.. Coaling stations for one, as well as place to station> > ships and preposition things..> > Like in several foreign countries, the US has storage places of equipment> > and such, ready for people to come in and do their job. Its easier than> > having to get a fleet of cargo ships up and ready, then with warships> > protecting them and to the combat zone. Especially these days when a war or> > conflict can flare up quickly.. Regional needs, such as depots in lik> > Kuwait, that if Iraq or other places need action the stuff is already> > there, it does raise issues of if the host country is in danger of> > rebellion and like, or why a number of US supplied arms and such was fall> > into other than friendly hands cause the depot ours or the governments one> > was over run and fell into the hands of the new government.> > Space station or battle station? Ships protect it, or it has big guns and> > like of its own? Missles and like, or ..> > But yes, the idea is to use the now abandoned, cause not sure of how or> > why it was abandoned.. Its now unoccupied, its owners long gone or ..> > Or the former owners are now degenerated residents of the station? The> > reason for the monsters?> > Mike> > ------------------> > I see space stations the way the Elizabeth Moon uses them as ports for> > ships to large and non aerodynamic to land on the surface of a world. For> > those who may not be familiar with Ms Moons works these stations are giant> > cities in space whose job is like any port move cargo both for> > transshipment and to be passed down to the surface. It has shipyards to> > repair damage up to and including building a new ship and it is the home> > for the space defence forces and revenue collecting services. They serve> > all the needs of the space faring communities. Also there are stations out> > on the shipping routes that are were places ,in the beginning of> > exploration and trade,where you stopped for supplies ,fuel and rest on long> > jumps. Some of these are now border stations but most are now forgotten and> > mostly abandoned or taken over buy the less savory people in space> > exploitation and if you as adventurers stop there you can have adventures> > or even just refuel your ship and move on. But be careful who you trust.> > Read Elizabeth Moons Vatta Wars or her Serrano Books for more ideas.> > - Hide quoted text -> > --- In Abrigon-Wo...@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:> > > Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged or> > used> > > as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.> > > Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?> > > Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.> > > The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),> > > Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or> > > like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?> > > What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it> > > as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie> > > universes.> > > Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.> > > Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?> > > Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what> > > systems would be the best for something like this?> > > Mike> > > -------------------> > > Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?> > > Smugglers?> > > Recon or forward base?> > > Salvage?> > > Base for Piracy?> > > Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for> > > salvage but ..> > > I think something depends on who finds it?> > > If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix> > > the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..> > > IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own,> > or> > > they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found> > > the starbase.> > > Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,> > > abandoned it and what?> > > What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as> > possible.> > > Dr. Who or ...> > > who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..> > > Mike> > --> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Poetry-L/> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adulthumor-L/> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Abrigon-World/> > __._,_.___> > Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional> > Change settings via the Web<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Abrigon-World/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJna3VlMnN...>(Yahoo! 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As for Defense why was the US Navy Marines, Air Corp and Army in Hawaii , the Philippines and Guam in 1941; it was to defend Hawaii the Philippines and Guam from attack and to defend the people who lived there. In fact Oahu and Manila Bay had some of the strongest defenses in the area on paper.So you would use your fleet to aid in defense by engaging your opponents beginning at long range and doing it for a long period of time so to capture a station would be cost prohibited.and your Revenue Service to collect your tariffs and enforce regulations around the station. The reason for abandonment can be for anything if you get on a train in Portland Oregon and ride to Chicago you will find places that at onetime had station but they closed and the town died because trains stopped coming to town or the reason for the station never panned out so it was abandoned so there can be any number of reasons for abandonment. Hell it's a game you can make the reason. From: Abrigon <abrigon@gmail.com>To: Abrigon-World AWG <abrigon-world@googlegroups.com>; Abrigon World AWY <Abrigon-World@yahoogroups.com>; StargruntsOOC <stargruntsooc@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:10 PMSubject: [Abrigon-World] Abandoned Star Base True, after all why built it in orbit? Other than a place to build a ship, especially one that can't get up off the planet, cause of size or other issues.For ideas, its like why the US and like, had to have the Phillipines and Hawaii and like.. Coaling stations for one, as well as place to station ships and preposition things..Like in several foreign countries, the US has storage places of equipment and such, ready for people to come in and do their job. Its easier than having to get a fleet of cargo ships up and ready, then with warships protecting them and to the combat zone. Especially these days when a war or conflict can flare up quickly.. Regional needs, such as depots in lik Kuwait, that if Iraq or other places need action the stuff is already there, it does raise issues of if the host country is in danger of rebellion and like, or why a number of US supplied arms and such was fall into other than friendly hands cause the depot ours or the governments one was over run and fell into the hands of the new government.Space station or battle station? Ships protect it, or it has big guns and like of its own? Missles and like, or ..But yes, the idea is to use the now abandoned, cause not sure of how or why it was abandoned.. Its now unoccupied, its owners long gone or ..Or the former owners are now degenerated residents of the station? The reason for the monsters?Mike------------------I see space stations the way the Elizabeth Moon uses them as ports for ships to large and non aerodynamic to land on the surface of a world. For those who may not be familiar with Ms Moons works these stations are giant cities in space whose job is like any port move cargo both for transshipment and to be passed down to the surface. It has shipyards to repair damage up to and including building a new ship and it is the home for the space defence forces and revenue collecting services. They serve all the needs of the space faring communities. Also there are stations out on the shipping routes that are were places ,in the beginning of exploration and trade,where you stopped for supplies ,fuel and rest on long jumps. Some of these are now border stations but most are now forgotten and mostly abandoned or taken over buy the less savory people in space exploitation and if you as adventurers stop there you can have adventures or even just refuel your ship and move on. But be careful who you trust. Read Elizabeth Moons Vatta Wars or her Serrano Books for more ideas.- Hide quoted text ---- In Abrigon-World@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:>> Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged or used> as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.> Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?> Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.> The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),> Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or> like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?>> What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it> as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie> universes.>> Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.>> Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?>> Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what> systems would be the best for something like this?>> Mike> -------------------> Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?>> Smugglers?> Recon or forward base?> Salvage?> Base for Piracy?> Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for> salvage but ..>> I think something depends on who finds it?>> If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix> the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..>> IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own, or> they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found> the starbase.>> Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,> abandoned it and what?>> What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as possible.>> Dr. Who or ...>> who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..>> Mike>>Re: Space Station abandonedEver checked out FTL:2448, its space ships and like are more modular in construction.. I forget what movie or two, that had ships like it?Cargo ships that are a bridge compartment, and then its has a girder that goes back to the engine module. Along the girder is latch points for cargo connexes and like..Mike4a. Re: Space Station abandoned Posted by: "warnerd_x" engineer.x@hotmail.com warnerd_x Date: Sun Apr 8, 2012 12:34 am ((PDT))It is possible in a zero-G habitat only with careful long range planning.It would be a nightmare to implement in a rotating habitat with all the problems of shifting centers of mass and rotation, vibration, and torque issues. You also have to stop and restart the rotation when adding or swapping out modules.--- In sfconsim-l@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Taylor <taylorsmatthew@...> wrote:>> Have you considered the effects of a more modular assembly of space habitats? I could see a situation where you basically have a central "hub", collectively owned and managed, supported by dues (think homeowners association on steroids) surrounded by greater or lesser habitation and commercial modules. Long term modules would be owners, there might be renters as well.>> Such a "can" might be in a state of constant upgrading and evolution without ever being abandoned wholesale for one big renovation.>> Matthew>------------same or new?Abrigon 8:02 PM (4 hours ago) to StargruntsOOC, sfconsim-l, SF-Un, Abrigon-WorldSome ideas for sure.Modular.. likely with a central hub or hubs, that allow for ship or module addition? Much like connexes (if you seen one you know what I mean).Cargo Connexes, once at their destination and unloads, can be reunit for shipment, or used for storage or housing.. CONNEXOr seen Avtec trailers, sort of like mobile homes but more modular and they have internal hall ways and like.. If you seen a large construction sight, you may have seen then used..AVTEC, they was used alot here in Alaska for the pipeline era, and some still exist, as needed housing and ...I know the State of Alaska is working on housing, small and very tight thermally, but will see..But yes the ideas is to have a central up or like, and attach new modules as you go and as needed, some sort of strenghening might be needed to keep it all able to handle the stress/strain of a "space station"..yes an organic of like could be done.. I know of one movie/TV show that has a crystallize structure that grows as the needs come.. Tunnels and all.Mike2a. Re: Space Station abandoned Posted by: "adastragames" design@adastragames.com adastragames Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 7:11 pm ((PDT))In the Ten Worlds setting, one of the baseline assumptions is that artificially constrained habitats smaller than shirtsleeve planetary surfaces tend to have an average mean time between abandonment due to maintenance issues of about three generations, plus or minus two, depending on how -resolutely conformist- and top-down organizationally rigid they are.In general, there's a sweet spot in authoritarianism that makes a viable water-monopoly that can keep it going for about 5 generations (roughly 150 years), and the more "libertarian" the society is, the likelier it is to be abandoned in one.This isn't based on technology, per se, so much as an understanding of human nature.(Some have argued that our current environmental stewardship of Earth mirrors my Three Generations Rule far too closely for comfort, and they wish I'd been right that planetary environments were more resilient)This doesn't mean that when a can-city gets abandoned, it stays abandoned. It's more like a full scale home renovation - it's always easier to do when you don't have 45,000 people living in it...--- In sfconsim-l@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:>> Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged or used> as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.> Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?> Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.> The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),> Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or> like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?>> What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it> as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie> universes.>> Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.>> Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?>> Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what> systems would be the best for something like this?>> Mike> -------------------> Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?>> Smugglers?> Recon or forward base?> Salvage?> Base for Piracy?> Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for> salvage but ..>> I think something depends on who finds it?>> If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix> the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..>> IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own, or> they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found> the starbase.>> Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,> abandoned it and what?>> What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as possible.>> Dr. Who or ...>> who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..>> Mike________________________________________________________________________2b. Re: Space Station abandoned Posted by: "Stephen Rider" rider.sg@gmail.com cmdrhcw Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 7:18 pm ((PDT))I'd second the comment about environmental stewardship and paraphrase fromStephen LeBlanc's book Constant Battles: Why We Fight: the human mind isset to deal with annual patterns...we are not good at longer term planning.Ergo over use, ect ect.A similar idea to what Ken talks about with the 'cans can be seen in somecompanies. They grow, they are awesome, the screw up, they get bought out. 'cans by their nature are "one major flub anddead" usually requiring evacuation (bankruptcy), they can come back,different.On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:11 PM, adastragames <design@adastragames.com>wrote:> **>>> In the Ten Worlds setting, one of the baseline assumptions is that> artificially constrained habitats smaller than shirtsleeve planetary> surfaces tend to have an average mean time between abandonment due to> maintenance issues of about three generations, plus or minus two, depending> on how -resolutely conformist- and top-down organizationally rigid they> are.>> In general, there's a sweet spot in authoritarianism that makes a viable> water-monopoly that can keep it going for about 5 generations (roughly 150> years), and the more "libertarian" the society is, the likelier it is to be> abandoned in one.>> This isn't based on technology, per se, so much as an understanding of> human nature.>> (Some have argued that our current environmental stewardship of Earth> mirrors my Three Generations Rule far too closely for comfort, and they> wish I'd been right that planetary environments were more resilient)>> This doesn't mean that when a can-city gets abandoned, it stays abandoned.> It's more like a full scale home renovation - it's always easier to do when> you don't have 45,000 people living in it...>> --- In sfconsim-l@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:> >> > Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged or> used> > as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.> > Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?> > Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.> > The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),> > Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or> > like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?> >> > What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it> > as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie> > universes.> >> > Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.> >> > Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?> >> > Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what> > systems would be the best for something like this?> >> > Mike> > -------------------> > Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?> >> > Smugglers?> > Recon or forward base?> > Salvage?> > Base for Piracy?> > Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for> > salvage but ..> >> > I think something depends on who finds it?> >> > If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix> > the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..> >> > IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own,> or> > they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found> > the starbase.> >> > Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,> > abandoned it and what?> >> > What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as> possible.> >> > Dr. Who or ...> >> > who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..> >> > Mike--Stephen Rider[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Messages in this topic (5)________________________________________________________________________2c. Re: Space Station abandoned Posted by: "Matthew Taylor" taylorsmatthew@gmail.com taylorsvillemd Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 10:00 pm ((PDT))Have you considered the effects of a more modular assembly of space habitats? I could see a situation where you basically have a central "hub", collectively owned and managed, supported by dues (think homeowners association on steroids) surrounded by greater or lesser habitation and commercial modules. Long term modules would be owners, there might be renters as well.Such a "can" might be in a state of constant upgrading and evolution without ever being abandoned wholesale for one big renovation.MatthewOn Apr 5, 2012, at 10:11 PM, adastragames wrote:> In the Ten Worlds setting, one of the baseline assumptions is that artificially constrained habitats smaller than shirtsleeve planetary surfaces tend to have an average mean time between abandonment due to maintenance issues of about three generations, plus or minus two, depending on how -resolutely conformist- and top-down organizationally rigid they are.>> In general, there's a sweet spot in authoritarianism that makes a viable water-monopoly that can keep it going for about 5 generations (roughly 150 years), and the more "libertarian" the society is, the likelier it is to be abandoned in one.>> This isn't based on technology, per se, so much as an understanding of human nature.>> (Some have argued that our current environmental stewardship of Earth mirrors my Three Generations Rule far too closely for comfort, and they wish I'd been right that planetary environments were more resilient)>> This doesn't mean that when a can-city gets abandoned, it stays abandoned. It's more like a full scale home renovation - it's always easier to do when you don't have 45,000 people living in it...>> --- In sfconsim-l@yahoogroups.com, Abrigon <abrigon@...> wrote:>>>> Anyone have a space station or base, that can be found and salvaged or used>> as a base of operations, would be nice if it was near a planet or like.>> Hook for an adventure to/from the planet?>> Tech to be as average as possible. Not to alien.>> The idea is to use it for Star Frontiers/Star Wars (not to Jedi or like),>> Traveller, FTL:2448 or like game. SG1 maybe but option for stargate or>> like, but likely not needed (Shuttles and the PCs ship). Firefly or like?>>>> What other universes or like might it be used for? The idea is to keep it>> as generic as possible, yes with options for different game/tv/movie>> universes.>>>> Yes, options for other things, but best for now generic.>>>> Adventure or plot scenario and ... any ideas?>>>> Game system as generic as possible, or option for 2-3? or ideas what>> systems would be the best for something like this?>>>> Mike>> ------------------->> Some ideas of how a space station or like could be used?>>>> Smugglers?>> Recon or forward base?>> Salvage?>> Base for Piracy?>> Adventure, the base has something or may have something, not just for>> salvage but ..>>>> I think something depends on who finds it?>>>> If its a ship like Firefly or like, then it might be a place to dock, fix>> the ship, hide out from the Alliance and ...refuge or ..>>>> IF its the locals, who have just gotten into space, either on their own, or>> they found a shuttle craft, or like on the planet surface and then found>> the starbase.>>>> Commercial or military base? Human or some other race built it, used it,>> abandoned it and what?>>>> What would or might be left behind, going for as generic tech as possible.>>>> Dr. Who or ...>>>> who is using it for a base? Totally abandoned or ..>>>> Mike>>>>>>>> -->> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Poetry-L/>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adulthumor-L/>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Abrigon-World/>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>Messages in this topic (5)________________________________________________________________________2d. Re: Space Station abandoned Posted by: "adastragames" design@adastragames.com adastragames Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 11:15 pm ((PDT))> Have you considered the effects of a more modular assembly of space habitats?Given that what I'm looking for in the setting is as follows:1) Political power centralizing on the shirtsleeve worlds.2) An excuse to NOT have to track approximately 300 different habitat governments, but still let them exist....A mean time between failures of about three generations, plus or minus two, serves my purposes.Remember, three generations, plus or minus two, is an average of 75ish years to live in a given culture. When that culture abandons the station, another will attempt to fill in the niche...and a GM can pretty much have a spaceship pull up to a station that they havn't been to before and play a session of "figure out why THIS culture has THESE rules that YOUR characters inadvertantly broke..."I could see a situation where you basically have a central "hub", collectively owned and managed, supported by dues (think homeowners association on steroids) surrounded by greater or lesser habitation and commercial modules. Long term modules would be owners, there might be renters as well.>The trick here is that over the course of 40-60 years, you're going t have people make enough bribes to have someone look the other way, have someone slack on their payments, or demand tax breaks to allow business expansion, etc, that it will impact the other inhabitants...do that enough and you eventually make the place uninhabitable. Hopefully it becomes uninhabitable slowly enough that an exegesis can happen without a great loss of life...The problem isn't technological, it's human nature. "We've got our'n, y'all get yours somewhere ess." is something that won't go away.