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Have you ever read a book where, you know, it just, it's just difficult getting into it. You know, the first chapter, the second chapter, you don't really know where it's going, but you just stick at it. You just think, you know what? I've heard from people, it's maybe a really good book, I'm going to keep reading it. Suddenly, by the 3rd chapter, you don't want to put the book down.

And by the time you finish that book, you're like, oh my god, I wish this book didn't end. I can't wait for the next one if there's another one coming. This is what this podcast was like. I'll be honest with you. In the beginning, it was, it was difficult for me because I didn't understand half of what not even half, all of what Sabine was talking about.

But as the podcast got further and further deeper in, it just got better and better. And there are some real nuggets in there. And so I'm doing this little introduction because just in case people start listening and go, oh, this is hard work. I'm gonna give up on this. Please don't.

Please don't. This is this is different. I've heard things that I have never heard before and that are highly relevant. And, Lovely Sabine got quite emotional at the end, which was something that took me by surprise. She was very composed, very scientific, just very, you know, objective.

And then I saw a very different side of her. And, you know, I've just got goosebumps just thinking of it, just listening to the whole podcast, you know, at the end. So please, you know, everyone listening, I love you so much. You're you're my tribe. You're my warriors of light and good.

This podcast needs to be heard, so please stick through it to the bitter end, and then let me know what you think. Alright. God bless. Bye bye. Send it to you in color or something like that.

You yeah. I mean, you can share the screen if you want to. I mean, you can do that. My friend, so he has the shots now at the moment. That's all.

Yeah. Oh, I should just mention there can be sometimes a delay. Now on your Internet, if you look on the right, it says 72% uploaded, 80%. So your Internet is a little bit slow. I'm using a cable.

Yeah. Now it's come up to 9 to 9%. Sometimes there can be a little bit of a lag between us. Mhmm. Do you know what?

I will stop, pause, and then you talk, and then you can stop, pause. And when I when I sense that you've paused, I will jump in and ask a question. Anyway, Sabine, listen. Once again, on air publicly, I am apologizing to you. We were meant to have a podcast, I believe, an hour and a half ago, and I forgot to put you in my diary and then calendar, and then you messaged me very nicely.

Are you okay? I'm okay. I just really forgot. I'm really sorry. Well, listen, Sabine, I need to thank it's it's Alexandra Alexander, that recommended you, I believe.

And he said you need to get in touch with Sabine. She's amazing. She's got a fantastic Substack, and I'll link that on the notes. And she's an expert, and she knows all about this stuff. And what we're talking about is spike protein and protein engineering and all this kind of shabam.

I don't know anything about this stuff, but all I do know is it was really weird when they talked about creating the specific protein that was dangerous in the so called coronavirus. Why would you create the most dangerous part in your body like a factory? That doesn't make sense. Why didn't you pick some random part of the virus that would be identifiable? Why the why the spike protein?

And and can it be made in the body? And how long is it made for? And how much is it made? And can you switch it off? And is it an antidote?

I don't know any of these things. But anyway, you know more about protein engineering than, I believe, many other people. So can you just just tell me what's going on with all of this nonsense? So the first thing is before you start to change a protein, you should know how the wild type works and looks like, and they didn't know that. So if you look into the Pfizer data batch, the on on, this website that the daily cloud uses, you can see they used a protein file, a PAB file from a database that was released after the trials started.

So I have no idea how they modeled without a 3 d structure. So they basically work with a DNA sequence, but you can't predict the 3 d structure of a protein based on the sequence. This just doesn't work, not even with deep learning. So I have no idea what they did. So in principle, we still don't know how this protein looks like because what they did was, microscopy electron microscopy.

They had their unsharp images. They modeled a 3 d image based on these, photos. And then they started to put in the protein sequence so that it matched the photos. But they don't know how it it looks like inside. So you need for that, you need crystal structures, x-ray crystal structures, and we don't have any.

So hold on. So hold on one second. When you say you need a live protein, you know, I keep asking people like Robert Malone, did they ever isolate this virus, SARS, CoV 2, whatever? Did we ever have any? And they said, yes, thousands of labs around the world.

But then actually, you talk to other people and very clever people and they go, no. No one's ever isolated. We all we have is a sequence. And then there's some people out there who believe that this is an artificial synthetic sequence from a computer, from mishmash, from modeling, and there was no virus. Is this correct or not?

I mean, what is the reality? I would really like to know what is the truth. So you can reassemble pseudo genes from fragments. That's what I did during my PhD. You can just cut your gene into tiny little fragments, then reassemble these fragments into a gene.

Yeah? So it's called reassembly PCR. Very creative. So you can, cross over different mutants. But this also happens if you have different fragments of DNA from wherever, and they can just generate pseudogenes.

But these pseudogenes wouldn't lead to working proteins. This would be too much of coincidence. So I don't think this protein sequence or this this, DNA sequence is an artifact. Otherwise, you wouldn't have a working protein that breaks havoc on the body. But we don't really know where the sequence came from.

So they uploaded it, but it doesn't really have to be from this patient or wherever they got it from. It could be that they were sent the sequence and said, tell the story, upload this gene. We don't know. But I don't think this gene is an artifact. Otherwise, the protein wouldn't work.

So could could it be gain of function where they've been playing around with viruses and genetic sequences and have been trying to make things more toxic and dangerous, and created this artificial clone, that produces this thing that looks like a virus. Can they do that? To optimize a protein, you don't need the virus. You can just, use, for example, phages, which are viruses for bacteria. And instead of the normal feed, yeah, of of of a phage, you put in the spike protein.

And then you can start to mutate it and optimize it and screen it for better binding to ACE 2 or whatever without a real dangerous virus. Then you can take this optimized protein and put it into any virus you want in cell culture. No problem. So you can screen for optimized proteins on s one level without any problems. It's it's methods from the, late nineties.

I did that with my protein, so it's it's easy. We did that with with students and courses. So you basically Can I just for sorry? For definition's sake, you know, a lot of my listeners won't know this, but a bacteriophage a phage is a virus which is like a parasite to a bacterium. They only infect bacteria.

They only replicate in bacterial cells. They don't replicate in human cells, and they're recognized as one of the most abundant biological agents on Earth. Is that correct? Yes. Normally, you take Landa or whatever phage you have in the lab anyway.

So there are some, house animals in the lab you normally use, and there is a there are phage libraries that you can buy from the usual sellers, and then you can just clone in your genes you want to screen with that phage. So you coat some plastic ware with a protein of interest, for example, different kinds of ACE 2 from different ethnics. Then you have your phage library where you can mutate the feed, of the phage. So the spike protein via error prone PCR. So you make a PCR of this, spike gene.

And, you just add manganese. This this manganese makes TAC more error prone. So it's called error prone PCR. So you have lots of single point mutations in your gene, then you put the gene back in the phage, and then you can screen if the protein binds better or less to the protein of interest you coated on the plastic ware. And you do this in some rounds, and then you can gene shuffle.

So you cut your genes from the library in tiny little pieces, mix them, and reassemble them via a reassembly PCR. So you can get crossover in the, test tube and, eliminate eliminate bad mutations that are detrimental to your protein and accumulate, good mutations. So you can do this in a few weeks if the phage is proper set up and displays your protein in the right setup. And then you can do 7 to 10 rounds of screening in a month. No no problem.

Yeah. We did that with students and and practical courses with normal libraries report to just identify peptides, but you can do that with proteins. It's it's easy. It's methods from the late night shift. Sabine, I'm sorry.

I've got a fracking headache. This is a different language you're speaking. I have no idea what you're talking about. And you know when you say you cut up these genes and then reassemble them, how do you know you're reassembling them in the right order? How do you know how can you reassemble them reassemble them in the way you want to?

I have, I gave that talk to the doctors for COVID ethics and have slides if you're interested to Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go to bottom. Yeah.

Share share screen or share presentation. To the chart. It's this one. So I I know we're going back a bit, you know, we haven't touched upon the spike protein yet, but what I'm trying to say is, could they manufacture bacteriophages with the spike protein? And it wouldn't be like a virus that gets infected around the world and spreads like a true pandemic, but could it if it was dispersed in some way, could it cause toxicity and harm to people?

I don't think that this, phage would be a problem. Exosomes by the people spiked are a problem because they display the spike protein on their surface. And this could lead to flu like symptoms. So Right. Let's see.

Screen. No. And stop. There it is. So I gave this talk to the doc do you can you can see the slides.

Right? I can see it beautifully. Directed protein evolution. Yeah. Tell me what this is all about.

So this is how you do DNA shuffling. So you have your gene, then you can Yeah. Cut it into 2 little pieces, either by DNA's digest, which didn't work with the wax, or you take a chemical approach, like, what I did during my PhD, then you purify your fragments and put them in a PCR without primers. So these fragments prime each other. By this, reassemble a new gene, a hybrid gene.

What is the purpose of doing that? Because if you have different mutants, yeah, in a in a library, some of these mutants have good mutations which make your protein better, but also bad mutations. And you want to get rid of the bad mutations. So you cross them out with this method, and then you screen again for those proteins only having the the good mutations, not the detrimental ones. Give me an example of what a good mutation would be and what would be a bad mutation.

Why is it bad? Some for example, a mutation that makes your protein more stable or, binds better to your target. The bad mutation would be a mutation that destabilizes your protein or hinders binding to your target. Okay. Okay.

So when they're doing okay. So you digest your protein your your gene into tiny little pieces. And then so you can see here, I did this with Eurosoil, and then you can split that with with a chemical. And, then you have here a resample PCR with in 0 rounds, you have here your fragments. And with each round of PCR, these fragments start to reassemble to genes.

And you can see here, my gene was about 500 base pairs, 600 base pairs. And, the smear start starts to 1 walk upwards in the the gel. So you have here your reassembled, genes, then you can amplify them. So it's it's basically very easy. So this could also explain So you say Yeah.

So this, So this could explain, for example, why some spike proteins like in this Japanese paper I I I read, don't look like they were generated due to normal evolution. So you by this method, you can get rid of lots of detrimental mutations and accumulate the beneficial ones. And it's easy. We can get that to students. So we're talking about the 2023 paper, the Japanese paper that looked at different variants and said this couldn't have been a natural thing.

This looks like these have been artificially made. Is that right? Yeah. So you could take basically take different spike variants and then do these shuffling experiments and get other mutants. So I didn't look at that I mean in detail, but it could be an explanation.

And when we say beneficial mutations, are we talking in in upside down language and that these are more pathogenic and more toxic? Is that what you mean? Beneficial for the protein, it being toxic. Beneficial for the cooling round. Yes.

Yeah. You can do it also the other way around. So you can screen for proteins binding less. So for the good side. So you can use the method to generate proteins, which, have beneficial mutations in in the sense of being less lethal.

You can do that also with the same method. You just have to change your screening, prerogatives. So it's easy. Is this what you think? Is this what they were doing in the gain of function labs?

I don't know what they are doing. I know what I did during my PhD. I did that with a clomphoenicol aptitude transferase. It's a protein that confers resistance to clomphoenicol. So I cut off, 10 amino acids from this protein at the end term, then it was basically dead.

It didn't work anymore. Then I started to mutate that protein until it worked without these 10 amino acids. Then I put them back, and it was more stable, more thermal stable. It was faster, and I could screen for all these improvements at room temperature without big equipment. So it was a normal small university lab.

So you can optimize proteins by that. It was used It sounds like used for, for example, detergents in in in for washing your clothes. So you can screen for proteins that work at lower temperatures with these methods. So it sounds like all this genetic editing, sequencing, protein, not all of it is bad. Some of it can be used for good.

Am I right? Or is it playing god? So it it normally was used in industrial context at my time. So for industrial production for some molecules, they are chiral. So you need, proteins to produce these molecules so you have a better amount a higher amount of molecule you want.

So you can optimize these proteins for industrial production. That's what it was planned to be used, at the beginning. But, like with a knife, you can cut bread with a knife, and you can kill someone with a knife. So every technology can be used for good purposes and bad purposes. So I think the washing detergent you use, which works at lower temperatures, these proteins were optimized in some kind of, way like gain of function or loss of function.

In fact, well, you can also understand the spike protein. It's the same method methodology. So the DNA is like the recipe. The mRNA then is written to lay out how to produce it. And then from the mRNA you produce the proteins, and the proteins are the final actions, the products.

Am I right? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Basically, the DNA is a cooking book, then you write the recipe down on a post it so you don't mess up your cooking book. And after you cooked, you just throw away the post it. Got it. I get it.

And this mRNA business, modified mRNA, it is very stable in making this protein, the spike protein, in the people who have been vaccinated. Is that right? I'm not sure. Because if you look at the optimization of this mRNA, they changed so many codons, and they also change by this, the 3 d structure of the mRNA. So mRNA has a 3 d structure, not a 2 d structure.

And, in this structure, there are information coded. So, like, how fast some parts of the protein are to be produced because the protein falls while it it is produced. So the ribosome is producing, and there is a tail of the protein coming out. And if there's too much of this tail, you can make too many wrong knots if you think it's a scarf. So if there is a complicated area to be folded, the protein has to be produced slower.

And the the velocity of production is maybe coded in the 3 d structure of the RNA and in in the rare codon. So if there is a rare codon, the ribosome has to wait for the, for the tRNA to transfer this protein. So at that point, it has to wait and the protein has time to fold. And if that doesn't happen, maybe it falls in different shape and different way that shouldn't happen. And I have no idea how problematic, the instructions for folding are now in these mod RNAs.

If there is any protein being produced from the mod RNA at all because there's so much DNA contamination without these mutant, without the n methyl 0uridine additionally. So there's only the problem of codon optimization. It's hard to tell. So there is at least some functional protein produced. So the codon optimization seems to have kind of worked.

So there is some, unfortunately, workings by protein produced either from the DNA contamination or the mod RNA. We don't really know because you can't discern that. So it seems to work. Like, with gf GFP green fluorescent protein, you can do a lot of that with that protein without it being broken. So it's it's easy to handle.

And maybe the spike protein is also a protein of that kind that is easy to handle and takes a lot of changes without being angry at you. Okay. I'm struggling to keep up. Like, you know, when you say codon errors, what does that mean? So they changed the uracilson to n methylsurouredine.

So the Yeah. T r a's that transfer the amino acids to the ribosome might misread that. So you have another amino acid in your protein that shouldn't be there. This can have a decimabine. No.

It's Is that what they call frame shifting? Not necessary no. Not necessarily. So it just means there can be just another amino acid in your protein at a position. This can change the structure, but it doesn't have to.

Sometimes it's just another amino acid. Nothing happens. Then you have the problem with frame shifting, which is basically natural. It always happens. Also, in in natural protein production, sometimes it just goes wrong.

That's why we have, proteins like chaperones who refold proteins and bring them back into solution if they, precipitate. But, with these exchanges of, uracil to n methylsoro udene, you have a higher probability of frame shifting. That's why you normally stop a gene in in, Proton engineering with 2 stops in the main reading frame and further stops in the other two reading frames. And then you go back to the main reading frame and put a stop again in there. Unless your protein already has stops in the other reading frames by nature.

So then it would stop anyway. That's what nature does. So if you look normally at proteins in the other two reading frames, they are normally silent stops. So if a a frame shift happens, the translation stops. I'm not sure they checked that or did that.

That's something you normally should do. I don't know. Sabine, I'm really sorry. I am just, now I really do feel like a dumb orthopedic surgeon. People keep telling me, don't say that.

And I'm like, I stopped saying that for a while because I'm I'm not dumb. But this this is just such a different world to me. You know, proteins, genetic editing, all of this kind of stuff. I've got a very crude, basic understanding, but keeping up is just hard. But what you're saying is they definitely made a spike protein, the source of which we don't we don't know whether there's a a real virus isolated or not.

We just know that there was a code. They were given a code. Is that is this correct, Sabine? Yeah. That's true.

I don't know if anyone had And, you know, they I think Wuhan or China published the code. They said this is the sequence of the coronavirus. Do you know where they got that from? No. They said it was a patient, but it doesn't necessarily have to be because the original sample is lost.

We can't check that without the original sample. I think they destroyed the original sample. That's a problem. Otherwise, you can check if it really was from that patient. So give it to someone to sequence it, and then we see if the spike protein was really from that sample.

We don't know. I think we will never know. I remember listening to the Moderna chief on a on a on a podium. You know, he was on a stage, And he said, you know, we we didn't have the virus. We were get we were working off we were making this their vaccine off a, computer sequence.

Yeah. Do you remember hearing that? That's right. Ugo Sahin even writes in his book. He downloaded the sequence from a database and worked just with the sequence, and he predicted the 3 d structure of a protein based on this DNA sequence, which is impossible.

That's just doesn't work. No. What do you what do you mean is impossible it doesn't work? There were Olympic games kind of, at my time where you got the DNA sequence, and then you could test your protein structure prediction program against the protein that was crystallized. So we knew the structure.

We could compare how good your pro your program could predict the structure of the protein. As far as as I know, no one ever got it right. No. There's But we we had all these sorry. We had all these computer images.

On the news, they would show you the corona spike protein sitting on the virus and they showed the picture of it. Is this all just stupid animations? Yeah. I can show you. So I had this I have this one.

It gives to. There it is. So you can see the protein here with the white white areas. So, like Mhmm. White areas on a map.

There live, dangerous animals or what they normally write on these maps. There are white areas on the map of the protein. Still, this was a paper, I don't know, 2020 2022. So we still didn't know, how this protein really looks like with wide areas. So no.

And no one today is wow. So there's so much folding going on. Yeah. And I really appreciate that and I didn't The the funny thing is they always talk about the trimeric protein. Yeah?

But this thing makes, hexamers and nonamers. Makes what? Sorry. So this is a trimer. And then a trimer can bind to another trimer and to yet another trimer.

So you have 3 trimers bound to each other. That's from the Oh, so the paper. Okay. So when you say trimer, you mean the the protein has 3 parts to it? Yeah.

3 subunits. And then these these 3 subunits. And the 3 subunits can actually link to create 6 subunits. And a 9 subunits, conglomerate. Yeah.

That's from the And how do they paper from 2020, so they knew that. Okay. And these proteins, are they just always expressed on the surface of the cells, or do they break off and, or you can measure them in the bloods blood, you know, stream or are they always locked onto the cell surface? So we have a lab in Germany called MMD in Magdeburg, which measures spike protein on exosomes. So, there's also this paper.

These spike proteins are on the surface of exosomes. They can measure free spike in the blood, and they can measure a spike protein in immune cells. So it's everywhere, basically. And on the surface of cells, in cells. And when you have a vaccine, are you able to stop the bod can the body stop making these?

Does the body have a machinery where it goes, no. No. This isn't our normal genetic sequence. We're gonna get rid of this. Has it got that ability to correct the code and switch off the spike protein production?

So there are 2 mechanisms. The first one is what you normally have with a flu. So adenoviruses integrate into the cell nucleus. So they go into the nucleus. This is completely normal.

But in in the nose area and these what they are called in in in English, these these cells on the surface, mucus mucosal cells, they die after a few weeks anyway, so problem solved. Virus gone. The problem is now you have them in your circulatory system, in your organs, and there, you can't just kill the cells. That's maybe why this people started to produce EGG 4 antibodies to tolerate this protein. Otherwise, the immune system would kill cells that don't regenerate.

So another method for the body to close these genes down is methylation. So epigenetics. You can just, silence the gene by putting methyl groups on the gene so it stops being read. This can be influenced by psyche and meditation and stuff. So epigenetics is complicated, but it could be a possibility.

And we also know from other gene therapies that normally they are inefficient and stop after a few years because the body, recognizes wrong protein. I don't want that. So that's why gene therapies normally didn't work so far. So for cystic cystic fibrosis and whatever, so they these artificial genes just shut down. But we have to keep the the people alive till the body stops producing the protein.

This is up to 3 years at least in some cases. Maybe lay longer. We don't know. So that's why you shouldn't keep taking them. That's why the best thing is not to have any more boosters.

Exactly. And do you know anything about how much of the spike protein is produced? Like, what's what's the variability? Like, is it standardized or mad that you per milliliter of blood. Where is the check-in my substack?

How much it was? I found that in a French talks. 14.6 microgram per milliliter. It's in a paper come on. I have no idea.

It is a paper called monitoring syringe spike protein with disposable photonic biosensors following SARS CoV-two vaccination. So if you calculate that, for 5 to 8 liters of blood, This is quite an amount. So it's about 73 microgram per whole blood amount. So it's more than you take some medications. Wow.

And, okay. And and do you think this spike protein might be responsible for the the clots that you were seeing in the intravascular system? Would this be Just one reason. There are other reasons for clotting. So, it's it's the platelet activation by the spike protein, but also the lipids, activate the inflammasome, which can lead to clotting.

The the size of the lipids is activating the clotting just by its size because it's, the the blood things. Basically, it's a virus and wants to get rid of it by clotting. So I have now in my substack, I think, 16 different mechanisms for clotting. I'm just collecting them, and it's getting more and more. So what do I have?

So, Have you have you heard of, Joseph Lee and his string theory where the antibodies and the spike proteins link together and form chains and, like, a big long string? Could have more than 1 more complex. That might be your 17th way of clotting. And these the 16 ways that you've described clotting, have you is any way of testing them in a laboratory, or are they all theoretical right now? No.

There are some of them are known for quite a while. So positively charged liquid nanoparticles lead to thrombosis. That's known. That's not, new. There are reviews written by that, about that in 2013.

They can activate so well, not not the spike protein, but DNA can activate, so called c gas sting pathway, which leads to blood clotting, and there is DNA contamination in that stuff. So DNA can also lead to clotting by plate extra fibrin, fibrin, fibrin and, Yep. The fibrinogen the fibrinogen pathway. So activating p f 4 on the platelets, three ways to activate them. The spike protein leads to thrombosis on its own in 3 ways.

The activation of the inflammasome by the spike protein or the the lipid nanoparticles leads to clotting. The JABs have a higher blood viscosity. It's hype it's called hyperviscosity phenomenon or something like that. So higher viscosity viscosity leads to clotting. Then there is a sickness called Vexa Syndrome.

It's a genetic defect. Well yeah. And then there are normally many ways to activate these, basic mechanisms. So yeah. That's why a doctor I know gives 3 different kinds of blood thinners to get rid of these clots.

2 dozen 2 blood thinners are not enough, so it's she she uses 3 different kinds to, get rid of the clots of the really hard cases because there are many mechanisms for clotting. So you did need different medications to, get rid of these different kinds of clots. But it's really dangerous to be on a triple blood thinning. Yeah. Right?

You can get hemorrhagic stroke. You can get lots of complications. So this is only that in the clinic, so they are under control. So she can kind of clear the blood from the the clotting. You were a service technician for a company that, I think, made a PCR test in 2020.

Yeah. Why did you quit your job after 3 months? Because they didn't have a negative or positive control in their cassettes. It was just the PCR 3 times and 2 times it had to had to have the same result. I don't get that.

I don't get that. How PCR's are done for a PCR. You need a negative control and the positive control. You can't just do PCRs without controls. So what do you mean by that is, okay, you need the negative and positive controls to make sure you're not getting a a false positive or a false negative?

Yeah. This cassette just had the PCR running 3 in in 3 slots. Two times, it had to have, to have the same results. And that's not how science is done. The area was just too too big.

So, with a car, with lots of equipment, through whole of Germany, the whole week, on the street during lockdown with a crappy system. No. So what you're saying is they justified lockdown and everything because of the PCR positive cases. These weren't true infections, and, you know, from the the guy that made PCR testing that it was never meant to be a diagnostic test. So you're running these tests.

Yeah. The the reassembly PCR. So these these PCRs are normally 2 step or it was for the company I worked for. So first, you had to reverse, transcriptase running, which translated fragments, scrap from your nose into DNA. So we had lots of random fragments, which is exactly how a reassembly PCR is done.

So even if you had positive PCR results, it could be a reassembly PCR. As at least with so it was I think I had 36 cycles, then Eugene is definitely reassembled. So there are too many artifacts with these high cycle thresholds and working with fragments which could prime each other. So, basically, you add primers. I just shut down this Skype, but it's still activated.

And That's okay. So you I think much of the background of a p of the PCR is fragments priming each other. So without the positive and negative control, it's even worse. Yeah. Because a lot of these might just be false positives, and you don't even know what the background rate then is.

The genes afterwards, to be sure, it really is a spike gene that came up, but not some artificial reassembled whatever. Okay. So you left that in 3 months, and that's why when your friend was telling you to get COVID self test from China, you said no. Yeah. Of course.

Import ivermectin and hydro hydroxychloroquine. Yeah. There's a lot of people making a lot of money from these tests. Yeah. So I thought maybe if you use them with bloods, I never tested that.

But if the VAX take a drop of blood for these tests, maybe it would show they still have spike in their blood. I never tested that. I don't know how if it works, but it could be a fast test to see if you're still spike contaminated. But someone has to try that with some tests still laying around. Right.

Yeah. I know some people who did the COVID test with, like, fruit and other stuff, and they still came up positive. And it was like, well, this is garbage. And there's Well, of course it's garbage. You know, there was all these things on social media.

I mean, there's all these things on social media where they're testing random things, not people, and their test would come back positive. And you're like And students You know? Has got COVID. Yeah. Students at school learned that very fast.

They learned which strings bring positive tests so you can stay at home. So I think it was cola and orange juice to get a positive test so you could stay at home. Don't didn't have to go to school. And, teachers and headmasters really told these stories in TV that students use these tricks so they don't have to write their exams. So it was well known even with children.

Oh, wow. So now you're working for lawyers, German lawyers Yeah. And you're writing expert opinions, like so what is what is your the basis of your work then? What are you uncovering and finding out? Like, what would you wanna share with me in the audience?

So, basically, a lawyer comes to me and says, well, I have a case of liver failure. Please write, some essay to explain how this could have happened due to this product. So that's basically, paper trials, writing together, writing paper trails in in an essay. So it could be that this happens. So what you would do to write, an if you want to get money in science, you have to write to the to the distributors of the money.

So like PTO or BMBF or whatever or DFG. And then you have hypotheses. You want to test in the lab. I can't test them in the lab and in court. We don't have to prove them in the lab.

So I basically write paper trails for court, and they just have to make the, judge at least think about the problem because they are all a jad. So normally, they they say, but the Paul Ehrlich Institute said it's okay, so it can't be, which is a problem at the moment. So the judges are all dead. And if they accept what these things, these products can do, they have to face their own death sentence, basically. So what can so what can these proteins do?

What have you discovered? So I haven't discovered anything. I'm just reading papers and and, collecting them into articles. So other people have lab and, can make discoveries. But, the pro the spike protein is inflammatory.

And, it can go through the blood brain barrier and well, it it's just enough to be inflammatory. So cancer can arise just from, constant inflammation. Autoimmunity can arise from just constant, inflammation. That's basically already enough. And then you have the, the attack of the immune system to, at any cell that has this protein on its surface because it's not from the body.

It's foreign. So it's basically breaking havoc. So it can lead to syncytias or big agglomerates of cells with many nuclei in in a huge cell. Yeah. So and the cells also do this, and the Paul Ehrlich Institute knew this.

They published that, and then they said, take this product, which does exactly that. It's just a toxic protein that can do lots of nasty things. Oh, man. So the people listening who have been jabbed, what can they do to minimize their risk or downplay the action of the spike protein and stop it from, you know, producing? You talked about yoga and meditation, epigenetics.

Is there anything else? So I work with some doctors, and we work with mushrooms that they work quite well. So, like, the traditional healing mushrooms work well. There's one called Huai Er from Chinese Medicine, which had real good results with some, doctors I work with or, the Helicom for neuronal problems. So it seems Helicom helps to regenerate nerve cells.

So try What was that? Hericom, it's called. Lion's mane. Helicom? Hericom.

It's called Lion's Mane. It's normal, eatable, eatable, not eatable. You can just buy it in the grocery shop. And, also, the McCullough protocol, so you have to get rid of the spike protein. So with nattokinase, bromelain, kaukuma.

So to detox this protein as long as it's produced, What we are also doing is it seems the lipids could activate the the inflammasome and change immune cells by PPRR receptors. I haven't read in that, in-depth in in in this topic, but a doctor told me that many of her patients got better with omega 3. So it seems that the lipids can be kind of kept from these receptors with omega 3. You mean lipid nanoparticles? Is that what you're talking about?

No. Just the the lipids. So if we read the Moderna review, they said that it could be that these artificial lipids could activate lipid sensitive, receptors called PPR AR or something like that. PPAR. Yeah.

And they are on immune cells. Yeah. It's really exotic. I have to re read up on that. But it seems from what the doctors tell me who work with omega 3 that this works.

So they are just trying different things. And it might be that omega 3 hinders the artificial lipids to bind to these receptors. Maybe. We don't know. You can get omega 3 everywhere as a supplementary, so it's it's not bad to try that.

So it's it's basically lots of experimentation trying if you feel better or not. There's so much deregulated by that stuff. We would need arrays. So it's it's these these, chips. We can spot with, for example, DNA, RNA, or proteins, then you can do omics analysis to see what has changed.

As one paper, which did that for xenovac, the Chinese vaccine, and it was extremely deregulated. If you checked, if you compare it unvaxxed with vaxxed people. So we would need someone to do omics analyzers for DNA, RNA, and proteins and see what is where deregulated so we could treat these people in a kind of personalized way because these lipid nano particles distribute differently in every person, and they seem to act very differently in in in different persons. So you can't predict what would help or not. That is not one size fits all therapy.

Okay. So before we go on to the lipid nanoparticles, you know, there's a lot of people out there talking about detox protocols and detox supplements. Do you believe in any of these? So it is known that dandelion hinders, the the spike protein to bind to ACE 2, for example. Yeah.

That's it's not necessarily detox, but you make sure that your ACE 2 receptor still work. Nattu kinase digests the spike protein. So it's kind of detox because the protein is digested same with bromelain. So some of these supplements work and there are the mechanisms are known, and they have no side effects. So I think it's worth trying the supplements also to just help your body to heal itself.

So if you're missing some some vitamin or, metal or ever so that your body can't heal itself. You're you're in trouble. So supplementaries might help. Okay. I get that.

Now let's talk about lipid nanoparticles. You said back in 2013, the new positively charged lipid nanoparticles cause inflammation and problems. Did they did they work around that problem and fix it and have a lipid nano nanoparticle that worked and didn't have any problems? So they work with nanoparticles in general, and they try to generate nanoparticles that could be used to clog the blood in case of an accident or whatever so you didn't need, platelets. So they use these technologies to find medications to stop, bleeding.

So they knew it clots. And they they like that because it was useful. And it is useful if you use it for that. So you don't bleed to death. Yeah.

So but it was clear from from that that positively charged nano particles, liquid or not, lead to blood clotting like platelets. Wow. And were they were the vaccines positively charged lipid nanoparticles, or were there ones that were neutral, negative, and We don't know because it it's called zeta potential or, vector charge of the particles, and there is one Fourier from Australia where we have all the things they check. They don't measure the charge. They we don't know if these particles are negatively, positively, or neutrally charged.

They didn't measure. It can vary from batch to batch. We don't know. And and how would you change the charge? Can it just happen naturally on its own?

Can it change with temperature, storage? It depends Once it's fixed, it's fixed. It seems as what I read, it's it's the molarity of the of the chemicals you use. So if you take a bit more of one chemical, it's positively charged. If you take a bit more of the other chemical, it's neutrally charged.

Yeah. So you have to mix these lipid nanoparticles in a very careful way to have them more or less neutral. So they said in their papers that it's about minus 3 millivolts. But you you obviously have to check that. And the problem is in Germany, at least, we had 2 companies who normally do liposomes for creams, and they mix that stuff.

And I'm not sure if they really were careful enough to take the right molarities in, of all the components to have neutral particles. So we don't know as we don't have any data on that. So we would need some chemist to start measuring the zeta potential of vials still left. Okay. Apart from the negatively charged, positively charged issue, is there any other problems with the lipid nanoparticle, or they're pretty in there and pretty safe?

There are lots of problems with that. So there's one paper. I just have to find that, and I can show you the problem. I had that on Twitter a few days ago. So it was known in January of 2020 in a review that all the parts of the particle have problems.

It's a really pretty picture. So let's just share that. Microsoft Edge. Nanomaterials. This one.

So you can see here from the review, it's it's a picture in the review that depicts all the schematic of a liposome and its common building blocks. And every part of the particle has, the problem listed and the reviews describing the problem. So the cationic lipids, can be taken up by the macrophage. It's a cytotoxic and can lead to reactive oxygen species. It induces interleukin 6 and TNF alpha production, and it can activate the complement.

It's just a cut you on a clip. The color structure Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Sabine. Sabine, Sabine, just stop. Just that first one, that's not good. Macrophage uptake, cytotoxicity, that means it's killing cells.

Yeah. If that's ROS, is that free radical production? Yeah. That's not good. IL-six and TNF is just producing more inflammation, and the complement is more clotting.

Oh, shit. Yeah. That's just a one part. Yeah. And then you have the cholesterol which leads to cytokine EGG modulation, complement activation, and have your phospholip lipids.

Then there's the payload, which the spike protein, which has other problems. Then you have the protein corona, which increases the cellular uptake, which, if APOE binds, it goes to the liver directly. It also has a pharmacokinetics. Yeah. So it's I can show you which paper this was.

It's this paper. It's a nano materials. Can you see that? Or did it change? No.

No. I have to change the screen. That's this paper. Nanomaterials. So it's in this paper.

Immunological and toxic toxicological considerations for the design of liposomes. It's from, published 22nd of January 2020. And the picture This is before everything this is Yeah. This is before everything kicked off. Yeah.

Right. Can I ask you a question? Do you think these vaccines were experimental? Of course they were experimental. What about doctors who will turn around to me and say, you're a quack.

How dare you say these are experimental, and we need to, you know, refer you for investigation? Give them the paper I just showed you. That's a review, January 2020, all the problems in one paper before everything started without the discussion of, oh, is the spike protein toxic or not? Elderly, everything was known. It was a problem that was not solved.

It's stated as a problem, and they just did it. The frack. Okay. Hold on one second. Now what what look.

This is not you don't you can't answer this question, but I need to ask anyway. You're a scientist. You do you you're an expert in protein building and all of this stuff. You know all about genetic editing and all this kind of stuff. Was this just people making mistakes and they didn't know any better?

Or is it impossible to make the mistakes knowing what you know? Was this deliberate harm and criminality? I think it was hybrids. So I read Hugo's book, the vaccine. Hubris.

Hubris. Hubris. You mean hubris? Hubris. Yeah.

Hubris. So I read Hugo's book, the vaccine, and they believe in this technology. So they describe themselves as believers. It's basically their religion. They believe they can save the world with this technology.

So if you believe in something, you won't see the flaws. So it's hubris. I talk about that a lot, including amongst the doctors. The doctors have their professional hubris. Yeah.

They think we we went to med school. We studied so hard. We care about people. We're gonna make people better. We're so smart.

Everyone thinks we're amazing. We would never do anything wrong. We can't be right or wrong. We believe in science, and the government is telling us, and we believe in this, and we're right. And anyone who questions is an idiot.

Exactly. They are in their bubble of believers. So they're they work with people who believe in this technology. And so they don't talk to people who say, well, this is a problem because they think they are right, and the others are just dumb. And, So why are you not a believer?

Because I didn't know anything about this technology, so I had to read up. And I don't read selectively, I just take random reviews that pop up. And then you get different views. Then you think for yourself. And I'm a protein engineer, so I knew you can't modify a protein in just 3 months.

That took me 3 years for my protein. What do you mean mod what do you mean modify the protein in 3 months? Who is modifying the protein in 3 months? They added, for example, the p lock. These proline prolines in in the stem.

But after that, you if you change a protein, you have to characterize it afterwards in comparison to the wild type to see what changed. If the p log really does what it should do. And the experiments, the expression of the protein, even that takes a lot of time. So it it can't be done. Who who who what is the p lock?

Who changed it after 3 months? When and by who? So I don't understand any of this. The NIH had a patent on I think it was for it was for another virus. I don't know which one.

Where they stabilized the pre fusion, confirmation with prolines. And they generously gave that information to Moderna on BioNTech and said to them, just put in the p lot so the spike stays in the pre fusion, confirmation. So it it was a NIH patent and idea. It wasn't What the hell? What so what what the hell is a pre fusion, whatever it was that you just said?

What does that mean? So the protein changes its conformation when it binds. So it's like a machine. It docks and then different parts of the protein move. And they thought if we put in these proteins there, then it won't bind or whatever.

I don't know what they really wanted to show because, it it's it's cleaved in the furan cleavage side, so the p log is at a complete different part of the protein and completely useless. So they didn't really think, and prolines are trouble. So, normally, they lead to aggregation by domain swapping. So it's known that, prolines are a signal for protein folding helper proteins called, chaperones, and they normally look for many prolines in one area because this is problematic. And what they did, they put in 2 prolines near each other.

So it was clear that's a really stupid idea, but they did it anyway. But it didn't work anyway. So, there are papers which prove that you would have needed 6 prolines to achieve what they wanted to do, so it was completely useless anyway. And it was, I think, what was Bonnie Graham from the NIH who gave this, patent to Moderna on BioNTech for free. So just use it.

It's cool. We want to help you. Okay. So proteins bend and fold, and they're like machinery. When they dock to a receptor, they change and they enact something, which then has a resulting functional change and, you know, I can't really understand it, but that's what happens.

So these proteins, it's not just there's a strip of protein amino acids. They actually fold and bend and create these complex three d structures, which actually aren't fixed, but actually move, twist, and turn, do things, which is kind of amazing when you think about it. It's just these tiny little machines. And you were saying that they were NIH was giving a sequence that would stop the proteins and maybe freeze them in one position, and, maybe that was to make it, you know, not dangerous or whatever, maybe, if you're being generous to these people. But you but you're saying that it it didn't work anyway, and these prolines are dangerous somehow.

How are they dangerous? Are they are they toxic proline leads to so called domain swapping and lead to aggregation. So they spell trouble. That's why chaperones So they clump together. Yeah.

So if you put something additional in a protein, don't use prolines. Bad idea. And they used 2. Okay. So so when they did this, it must have been, what, summer 2020 or spring 2020 were they doing this?

And that's what This started when were they doing this? February. So it was very early on. But the pandemic hadn't even been called then? Yeah.

That's a question. No. I'm sorry. Say that again? What what happened?

Working on that stuff before the pandemic was really cold. So in in Ugo's book, he writes that he knew this would be a pandemic, and he called all the officials and said, this is really, really dangerous. So he started on his own. Sorry. Your German accent is really lovely, but I I didn't understand whose book.

Can you spell out his name? It was Zaheen, the boss of BioNTech. I have his book here. This guy. Ugur Sahin.

Oh, yeah. The 2 Turkish people. Yes. So he wrote all that in this book when he started doing what It's a I don't know. It's called The Vaccine.

And then I analyzed this book in-depth chapter by chapter. So it's just a preprint. You will get another cover cover, but it's I analyzed his book and he said lots of stupid things. So it's about 400 pages and about 1,300 end notes that I hope it hopefully will be available in German in a few weeks. Oh, wow.

So he talks about in the book how they started in January, February. How did they know about it then? Why were they starting in January, February? Because he saw some footage from China. This sounds very suspicious.

Yes. It doesn't add up. Because the preseries so, they we have the data from BioNTech, and there was a preseries. And one of my friends on Twitter called a concerned amyloidosis, succeeded in getting rid of the reductions. And you can see the dates.

It's 2019. And the toxicological, report is from 2018. What the frack? So this this is definitely a pandemic. Yeah.

So when Ugur founded BioNTech, he got the money from the Strindman Brothers for 15 years. So it was clear in 2023, he would have to repay these billionaires. So he needed a pandemic to save his company. And the Stringman Brothers left BioNTech last year, November, I think. So he could sell them out after 15 years.

So he needed this product to save his company. God. Every single time I think I'm beginning to understand what's going on, I just I hear something new, and it makes me even more confused. I mean, this is just, you know, you got the WHO. You got Bill Gates.

You got Fauci. You got big pharma. You got the banks. You got the governments. You got the WF, and now you got this.

It's just there's so many people with their fingers in this sticky pie. Yes. And the contract between BioNTech and Pfizer is 5050. So BioNTech is not the junior partner. They are equals.

And didn't BioNTech get a lot of their funding from the German government, or don't they give a lot of their tax to the German government? So the German government's involved as well. They profit from all of this. Well, the German research structure is like this that the the research fund are by the government anyway. So it's it's not a funding way via BMBF, Minister for Bildung and Deutsche Forschungsgesellschaft DFG via the ones who distribute that, like or KIT.

It's it's Karlskuhr, University of Technology or whatever. So most money for research is, tax man taxpayer money anyway. And as Hugo Zahin is, associated to the University of Mainz, he gets normal research funds via DFG, BMBF, or whatever. So, of course, yes, the German government funded that like all other research project in Germany. So there's no conspiracy or whatever.

It's it's it's a normal, structure of of China. But do they do they profit from it? Do they have any shares in BioNTech, or or is it just tax revenues they get from biotech profits? Think They got shares. It was normal science funding, which means if it's for a university, it's a 100% funding.

If it's for a company, it's a 50 50 funding. So you get half of the money you need from the government. The other half, you have to have yourself if you're a company. So that's a normal funding structure, and you don't have to repay that. So what's BioNTech doing now?

Are they planning more of these mRNA jabs and therapies and toxic experimental stuff, or is was it a one trick pony? No. They they want to, cure cancer with their technology. Maybe the cancer they The the cans. Yeah.

Pro The cancer they caused. Yeah. The cancer they caused, maybe they can cure that with RNA injections. Who knows? So they have lots of new projects.

What do you think of all of this? When you stand back and look at all of this, what what what's what comes to your mind? Crazy times. I really like it from a scientific point of view. It's like it's like a crime, and you have lots of puzzle pieces.

And you're really happy if you find a new piece and a new paper showing that they were stupid. As I'm not Jad, and my my family isn't Jad, so I'm kind of relaxed. But, yeah, I'm concerned how how countries will look like if people should really start to die. I don't know. I can't predict how bad it really is because many of the injured don't know their problems are caused by that.

That it may be worse. We don't have numbers. I'm not a soothsayer. Okay. So when one of the conspiracy theories in 2020 was that if you take this vaccine, you'll be a genetically modified human being.

Being. Is this correct? Not in Germany. So there were laws in the nineties. I had a paper by Klaus Chihotek who was the boss of the Paul Lerns Institute.

And, they stated that even if you take such a therapy, you're not a genetically modified, entity by law. It was back in the nineties. I don't know if that changed, but in Germany, it's not the case. Okay. Forget forget the legal definition.

Forget the legal definition, Sabine. From a biological point of view, if you've had this product, are you a a genetically modified human? It's hard to tell because other viruses do this by nature. So like adenoviruses and other viruses you get as a child, they integrate into your genome. That's normal.

They sleep there like shingles. So are you genetically modified because you had shingles and the stuff integrated into your genome? So it's really really difficult to say. So yes, it's artificial, but it's still a viral sequence. And it also happens with viruses.

I don't know. Viruses, you could say, are natural. Viruses, you could say, are natural. They found in in in nature. This isn't natural.

That's what I mean. Yeah. It depends on your definition of nature because what they took, the sequence still is from nature somehow. So the way they did it is not natural, but it's still part of nature. Every everything is basically part of nature.

Okay. I guess so. Everything's deep you can deconstruct everything, including, you know, this laptop is made from things that were natural at one point. But what you know what I'm talking about in the sense that it's been manufactured by humans and would never exist if it wasn't for humans. So that's what I mean by artificial.

Yeah. But naturally something would just naturally be found. This cap wouldn't exist without humans. Is it still is it unnatural? Exactly.

So yeah. It's unnatural. Synthetic. Alright. Are we synthetic modified humans?

So do you think this is all being driven by hubris and this idea that, you know, you know, we can make a platform and we can edit things and and fix things like this? Or is there also an element of money? Or is there also an element of you know, there are bad people who genuinely wanna kill human beings and depopulate. I think in the lower levels, it's just greed, money, and hubris. The usual bad combination causing catastrophes.

In the higher echelons, I don't know. So I think these companies or the people leading these companies could be useful agents because they really believe what they are doing. So there was a LinkedIn post, I think, from a CEO from Curebag who said, well, he was used as, as a test person for other, experiments already. So he knows, these LNPs are harmless. It's his 5th injection with this kind of stuff.

Before that, it was just GFP or whatever. So they, you they tried these concoctions on themselves before that as as kind of human lab rats because they believe it's harmless. And even the CEO was used as a, basically, as a as a lab rat, and and it was happy about that and and proud. But how how do we know they weren't just getting an injection of saline? So a lot of people think that a lot of the politicians and leaders didn't actually have these vaccines, that all they had was a saline injection.

It was just all show and act. So if you look to I think it was New Zealand or Australia, how many of those politicians got exemptions? So in in in Germany, I think, these representatives were treated by the, by the special medical service of the Bundestag. So maybe they believed and got sailing because these doctors had some notice not to give them the real stuff, we don't know. So some people can smell vaxxed.

And I was told that our politicians don't smell like waxed. You can you can smell the difference? Not me, but some people I know. They smell who is laxed and who isn't. I just get a headache or I get dizzy or I get a cough.

Is that because you're is that because you're shedding? They're I suppose they're shedding exosomes loaded with, spike protein to get that stuff out of the body. So they the body wants to detox itself. And one way to get rid of toxic stuff is exosomes. So these people would shed exosomes coated with spike protein, and you react to the spike protein because it's a toxic protein.

So you get a a cough or a headache or whatever. Some people feel it, some don't. And a friend of mine can smell them. Wow. And he says they stink.

Oh, wow. Bloody hell. This is just gang this is a nightmare. Sabine, if you were to give any advice to the listeners, all of the people out there, some, you know, let's not talk about all the doom and gloom, all this next like, what advice would you give people listening to this show? So your psyche is a big part of your immunity.

If you're positive and if you believe everything will be better, you have a, I think, a better chance of survival compared to being gloomy and thinking I'll die anyway, because then you will die. So try to make the best of the time. Even if it should be short, enjoy what you have, live in the now, and take every day like it is. I don't plan anymore. I basically live from day to day and enjoy.

That's beautiful. That's really good advice. I used to say to my patients, positive things happen to positive people. Yeah. Negative things happen to people.

It's called? I don't know. I don't know anymore, but just try and be positive as much as possible. Yeah. You know?

Enjoy family, enjoy friends, enjoy life as long as it lasts. It's better to have a fun day than a gloomy day. Amen to that. 100%. And, yeah, I mean, some of my friends were saying, oh, you know, don't you miss not working as an orthopedic surgeon?

Because I don't know if you know, I'm no longer licensed or registered. Do you miss being a surgeon? And I was like, it's alright. Do you know what? I'd rather be poor, happy, and free than rich, sad, and a slave.

Exactly. Now, I'm just I don't wanna be like that. But when it's over Listen, before we we will start it again. We will need our next surgeons if the others die, maybe. Someone has to replace Yeah.

Like yeah. There's a long story, Sabine. You don't know this. I had one shot. Had one shot.

Against my wishes, I had one shot, which I regret. But I don't have any problems, and I'm fit and healthy. So I'm not gonna let it bother me too much. And it's one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about spreading the message and talking about all of this because I didn't have informed consent. I was coerced into taking it.

I was weak for doing so, and I will never ever be in that position ever again. Anyway, is there anything else you wanna say? I mean, we jumped around quite a lot. I'm sorry about that. You covered a lot.

You talked about proteins proteins, and and and lipid nanoparticles, and the whole shebang. Is there anything important you think we haven't covered or addressed that you'd like to talk about? I think we covered quite a lot. So If you have other questions, you can just ask me again. Well, I've got one I've got one crazy question.

It's the the last question of the podcast, which is, Sabine, you're on your deathbed. You're in your 100. You're surrounded by your family and loved ones. What one piece of advice would you give them before you die? Family first.

Yeah. That's good. I think there's a big war in the family. They really wanna break up the family unit, and I think it's important to preserve it. Yeah.

Exactly. Very quiet. The most important unit is the family. Okay. Well, Sabine, thank you so much for talking to me and sharing your knowledge.

I'm I'm sorry I was late again. I'm sorry I didn't put you in the diary. I expected that due to the discrepancy of the time zone. So I was there at 10 o'clock, 11 Listen. 12 o'clock.

Okay. I'm sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna pick your brains a little bit more. I asked you that question. There'll be some people listening in their car running.

They can't see you. Mhmm. When I asked you this question, and you said the family, you're now wiping tears away. Why are you wiping tears away? Why didn't it make you so sad?

Because this pandemic destroyed so many families, And it will destroy many families through death, I'm sorry, Sabine. You clearly care about humanity. So my cousins object, not my nearest family. I have no contact to those parts of the family. They just broke up with us.

They don't wanna talk to me because I'm an conspiracy theorist. I don't know if they're still alive. I'm sorry. Or at least my It was very difficult. My my parents are unjets, and the nearest ones are not jet.

But the the so my cousins were really as the Nazis, Kumon Nazis is called in Germany, so they are really on track. So when my grandmother died, they just broke the contract. So I haven't talked to them about a year now. You must miss them. Not really.

So, we never were very frankly with each other. So it was always problematic with that part of the family, or it got worse through this, pandemic. So it just made a clear cut, basically. I just spoke to one of my supporters this morning, and she was telling me everyone around her is getting sick, getting autoimmune problems, their cancers are coming back. Have you had a similar experience?

Is this is why you're getting emotional and getting upset? Is this why Well, I mean I don't have private contact to JEP anymore. So even friends who now contacted me again after all that, I told them what I'm doing. And some of them still work with pharma. And I told to them, you know what might come a problem if you are seen with me?

Are you prepared for that? And you decided they are not prepared to be seen with me. And I work with lots of doctors, so I explained to them why their remedy seem to work. So I have found a new mechanism, and then they say, oh, well, that's why that and that works. But they tell me what they see daily and how they their patients start to die.

The older ones start to die now. And, we will try to set up centers with, where we will try to heal these people with natural remedies, so help the body to heal itself. But the more mechanisms I find, it gets more difficult from day to day. So if you if you see what is deregulated. So clotting is only one problem.

Yeah? So you have all these neuronal problems. You have the heart trouble. The liver is maybe basically gone. We don't know how how bad it is for the liver after 3 or 5 shots.

I have no idea how if we can help these people for in the long term. We will try. We hope that nature is the best remedy and will heal the body because the the school medicine will won't help. It's the it will make it only worse. Well, it's really funny.

Again, going back to this morning, so I was speaking to this supporter. I'm doing a set of podcasts where I'm asking my supporters, do they wanna speak to me and share their stories? Because I feel like, Sabine, the problem that in the last few years is it's all been numbers and charts and graphs. What we need to hear is the human stories. And, we were talking about how we're scared of hospitals now.

You know, I worked in a hospital for 25 years. I used to spend more time in a hospital in my own house. And now now I've left that system. I was suspended from all the hospitals, called a crazy person, conspiracy theorist. I gave up my license this month.

I'm no longer practicing as a surgeon after 25 years. That that career is over. But now, you know, if you ask me to go into a hospital, I feel this dark energy there. I feel scared. I would be so nervous to set foot in a hospital.

That's true. How things have changed. Yeah. It was also during during the pandemic. So we had groups here in the area who had their own medical teams to do everything to keep people out of hospital.

Because the chance to die because of ventilation and wrong medication was just too high. So at the moment, try to do everything to keep people out of hospital because you you're you're afraid they might kill them. Yeah. That's not how it should be. Yeah.

But No. In in England, I think it was even worse with these mid mid desalem murders. So you really have reason why. In Germany, there was one doctor who stopped that mid desalem stuff, I think. And, that's why it never, started in Germany.

He stopped that. Right. So But he sent me his details. Induce Medesalem in Germany, but it it really was, a killing spree in England. Right?

Yeah. So I had a pharmacist called Graham Atkinson come on my show, and he talked about how protocols were changed just before this whole pandemic. And they brought in something called the just in case drugs. Just in case. And these just in case drugs so if anybody who got a cold or a sniffle, positive COVID test, was told, ah, they've got COVID.

We need to give them the just in case drugs, and they're opioids, they're midazolam, sedatives. And what do they do? They're respiratory depressants. They make you confused. They deprive you of oxygen, and they just accelerate you towards your death.

And you're like, what the hell? Like, what the hell is going on here? It's, it's insane. So, you know, I don't know how much deaths were happening from this so called virus, but I think a lot of deaths were done because of the policies that we made, the decisions by the politicians. And the problem is now the politicians are saying, oh, we only did what the scientists said.

The scientists are saying, oh, we we only did what the what the government said. And and all these scientists, so we have a chief scientific officer, his name is sir Ian Valens. He's now resigned, and he's now going to work for the Tony Blair Institute. Nice little cushy job there. He also had £600,000 worth of shares in a vaccine manufacturer.

No conflict of interest there. You know, you had the deputy something minister. Richie Sunak, you're a prime minister who invested in Moderna? I think I believe his company did. Yeah.

Yeah. I think there's that as well. There's a guy called Van Tam. He was a deputy, I think, health minister or something, and he's, you know, he was key for the vaccine rollout and lockdowns. And he's moved on and he's working for Moderna.

I mean, it's just the corruption is just incredible. We know that's the fact that the, light speed crew was in the board of Madonna before that. Really? Yeah. He sold his stocks before that so he knew he was independent, but he was in the bar of Moderna before that.

Yeah. Where all his friends and chums are. That's why they just I always used to think German. I always thought Germans were very straight and narrow, did everything by the book, never did anything dodgy or that way. Illegal.

It really was that way. So if we had done this by the book for GMP and Izo, the Marburg factory wouldn't be open yet. But somehow, they succeeded in getting EASL and GMP within 2 months. So someone didn't do it by the book. Sabine, thank you.

Thank you for being a good human being, a decent human being. Thank you for being a warrior. Thank you for being brave, speaking at, working hard to highlight all the things that are going wrong, and, just do the right thing. I'm saying thank you so much. Thank you for talking to me.

This always happens. As soon as I finish recording, my guest says something I I wanna capture. So you're saying in the court, what do they always say? So the one problem is that the lawyers of, the the companies are paid for by the state, by the German state. And, also, the compensations would have to be paid by the German state.

So the state is definitely not interested in victims winning cases because this could be expensive, and Germany is kind of broke. And some of the judges just say, well, it's it was for the greater good. So, yeah, shit happens. You're one of the victims. But in in principle, this was a good thing.

How did this happen? That depends the situation in court. So someone can't goes in there with, walking sticks and was healthy before that. And one of the clients, it was on on Twitter, broke into tears after what the the judge said. Yeah.

So the I don't know. The the the judge judicial system the judicial system in Germany is completely broken. Even if you are in the right, you won't get your right. Oh my god. Lots of doctors are in court because they wrote exemptions for masks.

Now it's clear. It was useless. There was never a a basic or a scientific reason for masks, and they still stand in court of being of being trials. It's not over. It's not over, is it?

People people will say, oh, why you keep talking about this stuff? Why why you keep going on about it? What would you say to that Sabine? Because I'm still fine. Sabine They are still fine.

Do you think I just should stop? Do you think I should just pack it all up and stop campaigning and raising awareness? Because this is all yesterday. Why am I going on about it? No.

Then they have won. We want that those who are responsible for this mess take responsibility and don't go to cushy jobs where they get rich afterwards. So if we stop, they have won. So we need to wake up the shipload. So if the court of common opinion decides they are guilty, then something will change.

But for that, you need to wake up the people. That's why I what I will try with my book. So if they read in Uhua's own words what he said, that he started trial in humans before having the data of the animal trials. It's in his book. He really writes that.

So the the phase one trial participants were basically the guinea pigs. It's in the book in his own words. And and the people understand that. Maybe something will change. At the moment, most people don't know what really happened.

They don't understand. You're right. Alright, Sabine. Listen. Thank you so much, and God bless you again.

Love you very much. Take care. Okay? Thank you so much.