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Geopolitical commentator and investigative journalist, you're listening to Pelinoroth Taylor on today's news talk. TNT. TNT. Welcome to the Pelineros Taylor Show on this Tuesday afternoon. Well, we've got an excellent guests with you for you today.

4 of them as usual. We've got Dirk Coleman, who's going to talk about the serious escalation that went in the war of words so far, thankfully, only when the Russians say they're going to strike at British military targets outside or inside Ukraine if the British do go ahead and allow the Ukrainians to fire their long distance missiles into Russian territory proper. I reckon that's the most serious threat that's been made against any of the NATO allies and it follows in my view quite a long series of, provocations from the British over the years. The French, have also been accused of being very provocative. Macron has talked about sending troops.

And there was a lot of fuss in the non mainstream media yesterday about showing videos allegedly already of French troops fighting on the front lines. But it seems those may have been fake news and Macron has walked back a little bit, it seems. And the French ambassador, no less, was at the Putin's inauguration today showing that there's some kind of, well, folding on Macron's part. But the silence from the British press on this huge escalation from the Russians, silence in the terms of what's on the front page. In their Ukraine pages, they talk about it.

But we'll see what happens. The Americans, meanwhile, have talked about not sending troops into Ukraine, even though the leader of the Democratic Congressman Hakim Jeffries said that that might be necessary, but the administration is still set on a no. So but what remains to be seen is how the British will react to this rate latest Russian escalation and threats. Well, Doug Pullman, who's a very experienced journalist will be talking to me about that for a long time In his first talk first interview of the day, we've got Shekhar Ochetti, who's a South African doctor who went against all the received wisdom in his country and treated his patients with simple solutions that we've talked about often here in the non mainstream media, which led to a very, very, very high survival rate. I don't think anyone died whom he treated.

He got into trouble with his South African authorities, of course, because they go by official, received wisdom. But we'll see how that works out. And we've had him on before, and we're going to bring we're gonna talk to him about the WHO regulations that seem to be coming into force quite soon. And he has a very good argument, about the re very real power that WHO will have. And it won't be just down to the nation states.

It will be a transnational power grab, apparently. After the break, we've got Nolan Hig Higdon is a professor of history and media studies in California who has railed against fake news and the way it's been abused, and was that conspiracy theory used by people in power and by the corporate media. We like that kind of discussion, and we'll be on the same side there, I think. Finally, we've got Casey Allen, who's sort of our man in New York, a young journalist and podcaster, who will tell us about what's going on in this Columbia protests against Israeli genocide and is talking about the latest what's going on in the Trump, case there in New York over Stormy Daniels, where the Trump will actually be going to jail because he seems to be breaking his gag orders and, tweeting or putting out his social media messages, which comment on every aspect of the case. We've got, but before that we will we're going to go have a talk with Basil, of course, but I just want to say a little bit.

I, I talked yesterday about the French visit, the Chinese visit to France. He talked to Macron and he left out Britain and went to Serbia. I think he's in Serbia today, probably, and he's going to Hungary before going back to to Beijing. But there was a very sour article in the Financial Times by Gideon rachman who's their f f chief commentator. And he was sort of saying, well, there's a sort of very unflattering picture of Xi looking at your average aged, well off Chinese tourists with those enormous suitcases they apparently have and looking plump and self satisfied as he heads off on a European hunting expedition.

Well, the whole tenor of the article was that he was a sneaky man looking for weak leaders to exploit the chinks in the western armor, and going for for the for sort of the wobbly macron and the irrelevant Balkan countries, you know, Serbia and Hungary. And all sort of it's just the very tenor of the article, without leaving leaving out the fact that you could argue that China with a population of 1,600,000,000 or whatever it is, and Britain with a population of 65,000,000. You know, there's a you can't isolate a country like China and it's not China, this fat Xi looking for chinks in the western armor, but rather you could say it's a it's a Europe that, is facing a charm offensive from a China that is looking to to willing, biddable customers, if you like, who want to get out of the western straitjacket and looking towards the multipolar world, which we, to Macron's credit, we can say he's actually doing. And, of course, those countries in the Balkans are looking to be part of the Belt and Road. I think it is.

And in Hungary's case, to be the site of an electric vehicle plant, China going very, very big on electrical vehicles. But the whole thing is sort of arrogance. He probably went to lunch with his friends in Whitehall. Reminds me of the interview I had yesterday afternoon, last interview with Oliver Proud who's a brilliant British diplomat and sort of fallen by the wayside somewhat because he he thinks we should make peace with Russia and he thinks that the foreign office are really stuck in their own ways, haven't done anything in the last 2 years as we head towards multipolarism or multipolarity in a shift in the tectonic plates of power. They're convinced that there's a kind of united western fronts against the autocracies, and they have to be defeated strategically.

I there's a there's a there's a kind of meme on YouTube and on X where global south leaders lecture British journalists and about how they would they sort of ask them aggressively about something and that these journalists, these leaders push back with the facts. There's one on global warming where the leader of Guyana actually pointed out that his country is greener than most because of a large number large amount of rainforest in his country. And Stephen Sacca, who's a sort of media equivalent of the deep state, you could say, was was basically caught out. And you then you I've referred to it before, the Congolese leader, Ciketi, lecturing a French journalist on why the Congolese preferred China rather than the French and their arrogant colonialist ways. To be honest, who's worse the British and the French in their arrogance?

Well, they're probably about the same actually. I think we should, I think that people like Gideon Rachman really ought to get out a little bit more and they should try to put themselves in the mind of a global south, not go to lunch with their Polish and Ukrainian friends so much, but realize that outside the Eastern Bloc countries have captured the British or the British have captured them and their total monomaniacal focus on Russia realized that much of the global south is actually seeing this as a kind of liberation from the Anglo powers in Europe. And we're we're moving into totally different geopolitical architecture. Be more open minded and less arrogant. Anyways, we're gonna talk to Basil now, Basil Valentine, a political editor with today's developments.

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Good afternoon. This is Pelle and Eros Stenger. We've got Basil Valentine, a political editor with us. Good afternoon, Basil. And good afternoon to you, Pali, and good day to our viewers and listeners all around the world.

Well, we've got to go to the epicenter of world events first, I'm afraid. And that of course is Gaza where there's the most uneasy, I wouldn't even call it truce. I would say just sort of stay of execution for the poor in, you know, incarcerated people of the Gaza Strip. Israel has over the last 24 hours secured or rather taken over, invaded the Gaza side of the Rafa crossing with Egypt, as a result, sealing off southern Gaza. Aid had been getting through that way.

It isn't anymore, and it risks running out of fuel this evening. Speaking in a press conference only a few minutes ago, the UN secretary general Antonio Guterres said agreement between the government of Israel and the leadership of Hamas is essential to stop the unbearable suffering of Palestinians in Gaza and the hostages and their families. He appealed for both parties to show political courage and to spare no effort to secure an agreement to stop the bloodshed, to free the hostages, and to help stabilize the region. We're a long way from that. He chastised Israel for closing access to Gaza, saying the closure of both Rafa and Kedem Shalom Crossings is especially damaging to an already dire humanitarian situation.

They must be reopened immediately. Just to give you an example, we risk running out of fuel this evening. All this, of course, because it looked last night as if the full scale invasion of of Rafa was going ahead. The Israelis had ordered people to evacuate evacuate the east of the city and head to the west, effectively to the beach. Then there was another pause while, you know, furious diplomatic activity was and is happening in the background.

But, this is all after Hamas accepted the supposedly generous peace offer that was being bigged up by Tony Blinken and David Cameron. They accepted it only for the Israelis to turn around and say, well, actually, now we don't accept it. No. We're we're we're gonna press on. So, you know, to all intents and purposes, the Israelis were obviously acting out of bad faith, that they didn't mean that they wanted a ceasefire.

Meanwhile, there are 100, if not thousands of people protesting in Tel Aviv calling for a deal to be done, of some sort. It's a nightmare, Pelli. Absolute nightmare. The most egregious situation I can remember. Well, didn't it, the so the Israelis said yes to the ceasefire because there's a lot of optimism in the media, and then the pack Palace Gaza said yes, and then Israel said no, basically, because their bluff had been called.

Yes. Yes. You know, for example, Bezalel Smotrich said it was a mistake to have even sent a negotiating team to Cairo today, which they did. They're all there now. They're in separate rooms.

The way these things are choreographed is that, Israeli representatives and Hamas representatives do not sit across the table with the flowers and the flags behind them in the way that diplomacy is normally conducted. They have delegations in separate rooms, with then Qatari and Egyptian, and other diplomats sort of shuttling between the two rooms, if you can imagine the organization of such a thing. Mhmm. So, well, at least the Israelis have paused a little bit. Are there is there battles going on in the Israeli cabinet over this?

Absolutely. And and and that's where Netanyahu is, well, between a rock and a hard place. It's out of his own making, of course. If he goes for a peace deal, then the likes of Smotrich are likely to collapse his government because they are determined to kill every member of Hamas right down to the t boy and his son, it seems. Whereas, of course, you know, internationally, the assault on, Rafa would, well, as Gutierrez put it, be a political calamity and humanitarian night bear.

It's this sort of dotted red line. You know, we said yesterday, the French have said it would be a war crime if they went in with a full scale invasion. So the whole situation really is in a knife edge, but there were bombings again last night in Rafa. Remember that. Remember too that the campus protests have been ramped up.

They're at Oxford and Cambridge. Now dozens of universities across Britain and the United States. In the United States, there have been accommodations in 1 or 2 cases between the protesters and the governing bodies of the universities. But one of the, protesters key demands is that all universities, there was a very eloquent girl from Oxford University saying so this morning, should divest completely from, investments in all arms manufacturers, which strikes me as a perfectly reasonable demand. Why should universities, have shares and collect dividends from arms manufacturers?

But over in the states where there has been an accommodation, and indeed in 1 or 2 cases, universities have promised to divest from Israel, all that being threatened with withholding of federal funds. You know, the Zionist establishment in the states are absolutely furious at any accommodation with, protesters who they characterize simply as Hamas supporters. Basically, according to the Zionist narrative, if you're not fully on board with the total annihilation of Hamas, regardless of the collateral damage, which is a terrible euphemism for civilian casualties that may accompany it, then you are a supporter of Hamas. If you are willing to allow Hamas to survive this onslaught in any way, shape, or form other than as a tiny cadre of officials, living in Qatar or Cairo or wherever, other than Lebanon, then you are Hamas. You understand?

Yeah. So but, Basil, wasn't there some piece, is the Americans wanted to bring in the Saudis? I mean, that was their long standing plan to bring the Gulf States into some kind of association with the Israelis. And that would the Saudis had talked about having a a two state solution as their condition of that and maybe sending peacekeepers to Gaza, which would obviously act as a a tripwire against Israeli intervention and bring in the international community. Isn't that a solution?

Well, it would be. I mean, we're a long way from there at the moment. You know, at the moment, this thing is literally paused on the edge of catastrophe. And it is true that the Americans are putting more pressure on the Israelis, than they have done at any point so far in this genocide. They are, you know, saying, look.

You know, Rafa, as I've said before, sort of a dotted red line. For his part, the UK prime minister, Rishi Sunak. And this is I can't stand this milquetoast language, Pele. I don't know about you. Said he remains deeply concerned.

You know? Mhmm. It's so pompous and yet meaningless at the same time. Well, unfortunately, there's a lot of pompous and meaningless language out there. And, if we got a penny every time we heard a pompous and meaningless language, I think we'd be millionaires, wouldn't we, Basil?

Anyway, we'll continue our discussion, about the day's news in, no less than an hour's time and look forward to talking to you again, later in the show. This is the Pelenniro's daily show with Battle of Valentine political editor. We'll be back with our first guest, Dirk Pullman, after a very quick break. TNT's Dirk Pullman. I started to investigate, also, John f Kennedy.

That's 60 years ago. My lawyer, is a specialist in that, and we did a podcast together in Germany, which is quite popular. And, I have to say, I was shocked when I went deep into the Kennedy case that there still are people who say that he was shot by, Lee Harvey Oswald, and that's it. It's incredible. So, Patek, what is your take?

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Welcome back to the Pelennirov Tele Show. We've got the brilliant excellent, Teit Pullman, a friend of mine, a fellow TNT host, a seasoned journalist with over 35 years experience creating over 25 documentaries for international television, contributes to alternative media to video blogs and hosts on TNT Radio. We have a common interest in the Cold War and Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and, Germany. And we talked about those things, often in the past. Welcome to the show, Dirk.

Yeah. Always good to be with you, Peller. Yeah? Very kind It's good. We have a lot to talk about always.

So we're both, I think, equally concerned about the possibility. We're both very focused on Ukraine and the dangers of escalation and 3rd World War. We're both of that generation that remembers the 1st Cold War and knows how close we'll to nuclear conflagration several times. And I think I know you've made documentaries about it. And now we have I think it's almost the most aggressive statement yet from the Russians to any western power when yesterday they said that they would fire they would take out any British military installation either in Ukraine or outside if the British consented to allow their missiles to be used by the Ukrainians against the, against Russia proper, you know, Russian home territory.

What do you make of this? I think it's, the most serious situation that, we had, since 1983. That is the time I just returned from the German military, and, at that time, I was at the university. That was, the exercise, that nearly went became World War 3. At that time, here in East Germany, where I live now, I wasn't, I'm from West Germany, to make that clear.

Yeah? There were the MiGs, standing on the Russian airfields in East Germany, engines running, nuclear weapons slung underneath the jets ready for takeoff. That is Able Archer. That exercise, it was very, very tense there. And we really, in a way, we were lucky that, the KGB had a spy in NATO headquarters who told them that NATO was not willing to attack.

They were convinced that NATO would attack. So I think it reminds me, we don't know too much about it. Not many people know about Able Archer. It was as dangerous as the Cuban Missile Crisis, and we are back in that situation. I've never heard anything like that, during 1st years, and it shows me where we went, after the Cold War, after Gorbachev.

Just remember, that's slightly more than 30 years. And it was a huge chance for the whole world to get into something reasonable. But, and I have to say, from the most side, it is the West that thought, after 89, they thought, they could push Russia over backwards, and there are all these quotes. I just look for it, you know, that Russia is nothing more than a gas station with some nukes. That was set by Yuval Harari, the transhumanist, cliff clown from the World Economic Forum.

Josep Borrell, the foreign ministry chief of the EU, and, of course, in 2015, I think John McCain who also said that Russia is only it's kleptocracy, and it's corrupt, and, there should be sanctions. And from this arrogance, Russia was treated in the last years, and since Putin is in power, that is not a very good idea. And that's what where we are now. I would strongly suggest that some adults enter the room. Adults like our former highest NATO soldier from Germany, Harald Cuya, to also have been chief of NATO.

And you if you listen to him reading, what he has to say, these people are concerned. Or if you go to Philip Giraldi on UNSWERVIEW, which I regularly do former CIA, analysts, or if you go to Ray McGovern, the CIA analyst, these people who lived through the, 1st Cold War say, heads up. Something is going very wrong, and there's too much big talk from small countries like France or Great Britain who seem to suffer from something like, I don't know what to call that, imperial pain, imperial phantom pain that they still think, none of these countries and, it's, you know, the situation is simply is not that way. Russia, they are used to having wars with some people who with sandals on the ground, and they couldn't win against them. And now they are going against Russia, which is a a country, which has a formidable military meanwhile.

And it's, things like things shifted. The corrupt, corrupt part is now in the west, in the western military, clear ahead of the West. I they are far clear ahead of the west. I think the point where the west is still ahead is, Space Force satellites. Elon Musk, so to say.

I think 6000 of the 9,000 satellites that swirl around the world now are from Elon Musk, and they're also used militarily. But, in a lot of other instances, it's, it's not. It is, so I don't know I don't for me, it's like it's like 1914 rehearsal. Everybody, now should read Christopher Clark's The Sleepwalkers, because that was having a big mouth and no intention to stop the war led us into World War 1. And, this shouldn't happen right now.

I I'm really and I'm I think it's it's real. It's not, not, exaggerated. It's real. Stop this. For nothing.

It's for nothing. It's not worth it. It's there is no conflict which couldn't be solved diplomatically. It's just brainless, brainless actions, and okay. But what's your take on that, Kala?

I I well, my my view is that I was talking to to Ian Proud yesterday, and he's a kind of dissident diplomat, and he's in Moscow for many years. He knows the foreign office. And he said I said, is it all con is it conspiracy or cock up? I mean, how complicated are these people's reasoning? Are they playing 5 d chess with bluff and counter bluff?

Do they know what they're doing? He says, no, they don't know what they're doing. They're just pigheaded. There's a core inside the UK intelligence agencies and the foreign office and they have not changed their mind. You can see them on Twitter and all these articles, the Applebaum view of the world, you know, the Edward Lucas view of the world, which is Russia's not only- Yeah, exactly.

With that in mind, the guy who was kind of complicated. Anyway, I think a lot of these, they haven't changed their views one bit. You can see it in the pages of the Daily Telegraph. And there is a war party in Britain. And I don't know if they overestimate their own abilities or whether they just think that they can get away with something because they have the Russian American strategic nuclear support as they backstop.

But it's sort of in a way, they they think that they've got space to act within NATO. They can do any amount of provocations. And I think a lot of the provocations, I think the Russian reaction to Britain in particular is because the Britain has been the most provocative. I think they lied about Bucha. Just they they were the ones who although it was came on American orders, they stopped these negotiations in Istanbul.

They were behind the Kerch Bridge bombings. The British name Royal Navy is very active in the Black Sea. They did the original HMS defender provocation back in 2021 just after Biden and Putin had smoked the peace pipe together and, maybe even in the whole Navalny thing, which and the CIA has pushed back against some of that. So just last week, I think the CIA said Navalny was not killed by Putin, and that's a shot across the yeah, bows against the British. The Americans and the British are are not in a special relationship at the moment.

And in the past, they've often been adversaries, and we saw it in the 19 fifties before the Suez crisis. The Americans had a totally different take on a Middle Eastern nationalism. The British were very fanatical, and I could see it's a sort of Suez type situation. I hope the Americans put their foot down just as they did at Suez. Anyway, we'll go into a quick news break, and we'll be back with Dirk after, the half hour news break.

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Help us get the word out as we cover the biggest topics of our time on today's news talk, TNT Radio. Welcome back to the Pelennier of Tellers Show. I'm talking about, this new Cold War and the latest escalation with the brilliant Diet Poolman, a documentary maker and analyst. Just on that news note, Hakeem Jeffries said, well, we might have to send in troops, but he wasn't speaking for the administration. He's just a politician and a congressional congressman.

And when, Biden was asked about Biden administration was asked if they're gonna send in troops, I said no. The French, meanwhile, allegedly have their troops on the ground. Well, the French foreign ministry said that's fake news, and it could be. They could be right. And Macron has said, no, we're not at war with Russia.

And he even sent his ambassador to the Putin inauguration and the only Western country to do that apart from Slovakia and Hungary, which are known to be prone Russian. So I see that that is the British. The Americans and the French are kind of saying, okay. We take a step back from this. But the British are completely silent about it.

And, of course, they're the main targets, I think, for Russian anger. What what do your thoughts? I just wanna say one thing. The the British are facing an election this year, and the Tory party's gonna be wiped out. You know?

This is a very dangerous situation because it's a temptation to to go to war and create a national crisis. And I just saw on The Telegraph's, news page today that the gross domestic product per person fell for 4 quarters in a row in 2023 and has been at 0% more or less since the spring of 2022, and that's the worst figure in the G 7 powers. So the UK economy is is not going great and a very unpopular ruling party. You know, the British are in a in a bind, you know, or or the British ruling party, the Tories and Sunak and so on. And they have some very hawkish members, although I think Sunak is is not warm minded.

What are your thoughts? Do you think what what are the Germans reporting about this? Are they because the Germans are more more sensitive to war having been flattened in 2 wars, you know? Yes. There is a famous cover from a satirical magazine where an elderly man stands at the window and takes the curtain a little bit aside and looks out in a sad view, view.

And the bottom line is how high will we lose this time? So that is, kind of the, the German attitude and the population is not. But what I wonder is, the from the political side, it's similar to what you just described. We have, there are elections going on for the European Parliament right now. The ruling coalition, what is called the traffic light because it's red, green, yellow, so which means red.

Okay. Social Democrats who, have a taint of red in a in a something in a different color. And, the Green Party, which, churned warmongers from from being pacifists, and the Liberal Party, which, in the beginning had a a history which was very close to, to a lot of Nazis. They were voted for, they were the first party to say that the, the crackdown on people who committed crimes in Nazi Germany should be stopped. That was our Liberal party, I just want to remind.

Long time ago, but, that's something. So we and we are we are the the worst country in Europe economically, meanwhile. So Germany is the sick man of Europe again. It's very similar. And you could say you could also I mean, this what I just quoted, the what the a lot of Americans or others say that Russia is just a filling station with some nukes.

You could say that United States is a a home asylum for the homeless with some nuclear weapons. This is where they are heading. They are if you compare, they had a kind of what we call the Thucydides trap, Sparta, Athens with China, and the west is on the way down. It is not on the way up. It just has a big mouth, and that is not a good and it, it has a small brain at the same time.

The people are not there anymore. We're really good politicians. There is a political class in the in the United States. They're still I mean, the British intelligence, I think, is always underrated in terms of how important they are. They're very important internationally.

That's unlike, unlike the German intelligence service who are which are not really important. But, saying that, this is the whole situation is very bad because they think they can make up for the decline that they have with big words. I mean, we have, now they, there's this talk, Europe was a lot on the line. I mean, I'm not proud of all the politicians we sent from Germany to Europe. I I apologize for for what is going on there.

She just, told the, the Chinese that they're unfair because they sell their electrical cars so cheap, in into the European Union. And this is the situation. They are afraid of the competition. I mean, that's where we are right now. The the Chinese have have, 600 kilometre trains or maybe even 1,000 kilometre trains in the future, And, going ahead, and, every year, it's getting a bit better for the Chinese in terms of their living conditions.

And we're on the way down. So we just, we should have a grip on ourselves and get realistic. And as I said, there is no reason to have this situation with Russia. It was Russia. It was provocate when they say the unprovoked attack of Russia, it was everything else than unprovoked.

I thought, you know, I just reread because I'm I'm writing a book, what Jeffrey Sachs told the BBC about, his time in Russia. He was, you know, he was sent to to Poland to get the economy running again, and he said on the phone, he could get an $8,000,000,000 credit for Poland at that time. And then he noticed whatever he proposed for Russia would not work. At that time, he was shock therapy. That was Jeffrey Sachs at that time.

I think he changed a lot. But he was, I think, never bad willed. He was always a goodwill person. And, he was shocked how nothing happened. And then he said, I just found out 20 years later, 20 years later after Yeltsin came to power, that the attitude towards Russia was the same as was after the Versailles Treaties, for for Germany.

It was, they tried to to bring Russia down. And the Russian governments know that. And they know these talks. They know what Obama said about them, that they're a regional power. And I don't know why anybody who's interested in diplomacy would behave that way.

I mean, even if you think that, you should think it when you're on the toilet and all alone, but not spill it out, to the media. Yeah? Anyway and and I think that, it's it was eye opener to watch that. Well, I think Putin has a personal, I mean, he comes from the poor background, back streets of Saint Petersburg, you know, hit before you've been hit. But he's made it, like, Russia's made it anyway from great poverty in 19 nineties.

And he says, we we part we're willing to play the game, be part of responsible global society being a great power. We're back in business. We're bourgeois like you. You know, we're not communists. We don't.

And yet they're still being humiliated. Sorry if interrupted. Isn't that the an interesting part? Because, I remember very well I volunteered for the German military. The point was, at that time, we thought that communism and total totalitarianism and this is the danger.

Yeah? And then, it Russia becomes capitalist, and it's, has a pretty well worked view. Economy. Which shows that it was geopolitics. Yeah.

But the fact that they're held to be the enemy shows that maybe it was geopolitics not all along and not ideology. And the British are very good at looking down their noses at people and even the Americans, you know, one of Trump's closest adviser, as Colby, was saying to political 2 days ago, Cameron came to Washington to lecture us. The British have got to get real. They've got to be realistic and the relations with us are terrible. Worse than 200 years, that's a Republican who normally friends with the Tories.

So if you have that that impression on the Americans, you know, and I was talking in my monologue about how they kind of, looked down their noses at the Africans and of course the Russians. So I think the British really needs to take a look at themselves and, but, we hope that there won't be a strike on, British facilities because that will be, I mean, World War 3. So although we're talking lightheartedly sort of around the issue, it's very, very serious. And I'm glad you came on the show to talk to me about it, Diet Poolman. Hope to have you on again soon.

This is the Pelennaro's teleshow on TNT. Yeah. It's back with our second question. To say. Yeah.

Okay. That much to say. Other time. Another time. Yeah.

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Well, we're going to cover an equally important topic, but, a different one and to pivot to another continent, South Africa and Africa, to doctor Shankar Achetti, who treated 14,000 patients suffering from COVID, none of them 0% required hospitalization. His methods were not the ones written into the protocols. And as we know, those of us who follow the alternative media narrative is that, our our masters gave us completely the wrong prescriptions and, not only with the vaccines, but the lockdowns and the denial of HCQ, the the denial of Ivermectin. Well, doctor Chetty went his own way and was very successful at it and suffered professionally to some extent. Doctor Chetty, welcome to the show.

And could you just summarize in about 2 minutes your story as it were, and then we'll go on to the WHO pandemic treaty because we did have you on before and we spent the whole show talking about that. But just give us a summary summary of it for for new listeners and and new friends of our show. Okay. By the way, I started treating COVID at the start of pandemic in 2020, and I saw every patient to understand the pathophysiology. I realized I'm dealing with a biphasic illness where those that got critically ill progressed into a second phase of illness.

That was an immune dysregulation that caused the severe breathlessness. With that understanding, I was looking for what was triggering that second phase, and it became clearly, evident in the second wave that it was spike protein and inserts that was put onto the virus itself, that made it more pathogenic. And it made it more pathogenic by triggering this, immune response. Of course, the vaccines were being, designed at that time, and they were using spike protein as the, protein that will stimulate an immune response. And, of course, I thought spike protein as a pathogen should not be used in a vaccine, and it will create problems.

We've seen the problems, and, of course, I'm being prosecuted for speaking out against those foreseen problems. And what was your proposed? What cure did you have that led to the 0% hospitalization rate? Well, pillow, the second phase of the illness was very distinct and could be predicted. It always occurred a week after the onset of illness.

So I the first thing I think that gave me my success was educating people about what might happen on that fateful day. So when patients came in, I noted clearly and interrogated the 1st day of symptoms and warned them about that 8th day. If anything happened on that particular day, you're getting into into the 2nd phase, I need to know timuously and aggressively treat it. So that was the first thing that brought them into me timuously. The longer you left it, the harder it was to reverse.

And of course, in that second phase, I was of the opinion that it was the spike protein triggering a hypersensitivity reaction, which if left unchecked, spiraled into a cytokine storm. Now hypersensitivity reaction every doctor treats with a bee sting. It's a very simple thing to treat. And so my modality of treatment was that when patients returned on that 8th day with the severe exacerbation of the illness, I would treat them like a bee sting. So it was high dose steroids to curb the, the the, release of mediators.

And they're mopping up all those mediators, antihistamines, means montelukast, platelet activating factor antagonist in aspirin. So it's the routine thing we do for any severe allergic reaction. And we know that if it's a severe allergic reaction, if you're not timey and aggressive, that'll spiral out of control to death in in very quick success succession. Incredible. Well, it's a it's a it's a fantastic story and I advise people to go further into it.

If you look up your X account and Google Shankarachtty and go into X and Google. But we won't talk about that right now. It's a fantastic story. But we will talk about the WHO pandemic treaty, which is coming up. The WHO, the medical establishment haven't learned anything from people like yourself or, you know, the various doctors, very like people like Martin Kulldorff was fired from Harvard Medical School for saying that the vaccines didn't work.

So, I mean, we've got really a whole spectrum of honest and sometimes extremely well known academics, get lining up in dissidents against the establishment. Is the WHO have they learned anything, and are they gonna burden us with some kind of medical totalitarianism? What's your take on what's coming up? I think, yeah, I think we need a complete redirection, you know. If you look at the history of the WHO, it was formed after the World War, hoping to take care of the health of the world to bring collaboration and cooperation between countries.

And initially, all countries contributed to the formation and financing of the WHO. But in recent years, we've seen, countries pulling back on funding, and it's more private enterprises that are now funding the World Health Organization and are having a say in their agenda. So the World Health Organization has turned into from this global organization for health collaboration into, I would call it, a private health club that is financed by private individuals who dictate what the club will and won't do. And I think that's where we having the problem. It's being dictated to by profit rather than what's in the best interest of health care globally.

Mhmm. There There's an interesting discussion in the Mail and Guardian in South Africa by a guy called Petro Terre Blanche wrote a response to an article written by somebody on your side of the argument. The pandemic agreement will return power to the people. Well, this this journalist was saying, who seems to be very well informed, says that actually the devil is in the detail. The the the totalitarian aspect of this, WHO thing is in the amendments.

Do you know anything about that? Yeah. Yeah. The amendments, look to take away sovereignty. They look to give the World Health Organization, more power.

And these things have been done very discreetly. If you look at the contracts and the way that they've been altered, they're very simple words that have been just removed, that that change the meaning of everything. So, yeah, compliance, whether the World Health Organization has jurisdiction. So So they've changed a lot of things where they can actually dictate to a country as to how to respond to a pandemic and enforce that and have retribution if you don't follow. So they can't say that it's, you know, on agreement.

It's it's it's it's it's a power grab. And and what kind of retribution would there be then if if we didn't follow the dictates? I think, they're they're looking at sanctions for countries, stopping aid to countries, those kind of things, financing. Now if you got a country in a third world, like like we are most of in Africa, and they give you 48 hours to give them a response. In 48 hours, if you haven't prepared a response, then you're going to be victimized, with, sanctions and all the other things.

And of course, that makes it all more lucrative if they can sanction you and you got oil wealth or other resources that can be traded and manipulated to get you to comply. So I think there's a bigger picture at play. It really doesn't make sense. Health has always been a collaborative effort, and all views taken into consideration. I was just I'm just citing this article which quotes, a magazine a written an article written by some lawyers in another magazine called Opinio Juris.

I don't know if it's South African or international. But basically, the WHN, the director general will be able to issue internationally legal binding instructions, I'm quoting from the lawyers here, and will have legislative powers with with the exception of the United Nations Security Council acting under chapter 7 of the UN charter. That's military intervention for you. No other or UN organized UN agency has. I mean, these are lawyers talking.

Massive power grab that developed by the WHO. The threat these proposed amendments to post national sovereignty is incontrovertible. Moreover, there's a lack of general engagement with implications that many of the proposed amendments may have adopted have on the enjoyment of human rights and as well as long fought for standards of medical law aiming to show ensure safety and efficacy of medical products. So are these amendments gonna make medical products less safe somehow? Or can you interpret what they're trying to say there?

I think, I think what's happened, Pedro, is that during the pandemic, they attempted to, let's say, corral society into a lockstep. So So there were the lockdowns and the masking and all the social distancing and all those kind of things, but they those weren't meant for health care. They were meant to force community force society into compliance. And I think they failed at that. People woke up and people realized the nonsensical nature of the public health intervention.

So I think the International Health Regulations is an attempt to cement that in regulation and law so that you can enforce it, mandate it. Otherwise, you're not gonna get a compliant public. And, of course, when you look at the sovereignties that they're taking away, we have our individual sovereignties, and we're willing to give it away to our governments. Yet, though we vote them in and determine how they will govern us. The representative to the health I mean, to the World Health Organization is not a representative of the people.

He wasn't elected into that position. So too is the World Health Organization, an unrepresentative, unregulated, unelected body. And I would say, if my representative from my country decides to sand sign this pandemic treaty, I would consider that an act of treason, that he decided to sell sell away the sovereignty of his people without their knowledge and without their acknowledgment. So, yeah, I think we're sitting with a big problem, and it needs to be I I think it's being done very silently in the background. And, like yourself, I think it's important to highlight it to the public and get them to rise.

Because I I'm I haven't, read. I did about the South African mainstream media. Well, that Mail and Guardian article was very good as far as I can tell. But the BBC, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, they haven't talked about these things. Why is that so?

I mean, do they not know about it or do they know about it and are trying conspiracy of silence or what? Or is it just not such a big deal? I mean, are we because I would have friends who'd say, yeah, that the fact that the WHO is gonna give so much powers. Well, we haven't heard about it, so it's conspiracy theory. What would you say to those skeptics?

Look, I think there's, 2 sides to that. 1, the funding. It is generally the, west that has funded the World Health Organization greatly. And so they have the agenda, and so they will hide the incompetence of what has transpired. So that's that's one reason why there won't be any acknowledgment of the failures.

The second thing in South Africa, the reason that we have this groundswell of opposition to the World Health Organization is that Africa was a test bed for many vaccines. The World Health Organization has used and abused Africa to test a lot of medical products. And so we have our eyes wide open. We have a lot of injuries in Africa that we're well aware of. And I think that's the reason Africa has risen first to say no.

We'd rather protect our sovereignty. I think it was the African countries first who refused to sign the agreement and forced it to be amended. So I think, yeah, Africa has been injured enough to recognize when a new injury is being sought is being planned. And so, yeah, we object. It's hard to say because pandemics, by definition, perhaps they they didn't sort of announce themselves.

But what do you think could be a pandemic scenario that's upcoming? Have any thoughts? Is there anything that's yeah. What what are the health experts? Or what do what do you think could be the next pandemic?

I think the next I think the next pandemic is going to be another play on words rather than anything substantial. If you look at what happened during the past pandemic, they changed the definition of what a pandemic actually is. And, pandemics were always about mortality, global mortality. They changed it to cases. And so a case really doesn't tell you anything.

And, of course, they changed the the way we define those cases and diagnose those cases with a faulty PCR test with a too high cycle threshold. So you can amplify cases and create a pandemic. You can't do that with gits. Gits are a inevitable thing to take. And I think the changing of these little words in it make it broaden the framework for declaring a pandemic.

So today they can declare a pandemic on any. Yes. They'll do it with viruses first, but as we move along, I expect to see a climate change, playing rearing its head. Food security rearing its head. And all these can be declared.

They won't call it a pandemic, but they'll call it a health emergent global health emergency. And Right. Same rules. Yeah. Exactly.

And so do you think the WHO could start because you do you'll you'll big up the damages from climate emergency, people dying of heat stroke or whatever, and then people dying of starvation due to food insecurity. And you think that the international community, the WHO, will take that under its mantle and say it's a health emergency, and it comes under these, oh, these powers that are now being voted on in in late May, basically. Yep. Yeah. They will find every excuse to utilize those pounds.

They will, they will sell it saying that it's only in certain circumstances. They probably say that the pandemic that passed wasn't handled well enough because they didn't have enough power to shut down China and do what they needed with China and the rest of that. So give them the power to do that. But they're not gonna use those powers just for those extraneous circumstances. They're gonna find every way to abuse that power because that's what they did in the pandemic so far.

Is this a game where, as you know, you've got the BRICS and the global south and China and Russia and Iran, and then you've got the west. Is everybody on the same side on this one, or do you see a a divide over who's on what side? Yeah. I do I do see a divide, Pero. The the the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, and the World Health Organization are bodies that are dominated by Western powers.

The eastern and southern, part of this planet really don't, have a a large role in it. They have no veto powers, things like that. And I think over time, they have realized how the World Health Organization seems to be one-sided in its approach. So when I look at the East, we have done a lot of work and in the South, they've lost interest in World Health Organization. And I think they know that if they get a global organization together, they can do better.

They've been sidelined for too long. They've, not been listened to. Other people impose their plans on on, the South and the and the East. And I think that's gonna come to an end. The rise of the BRICS nations.

Remember the BRICS nations are the ancient civilizations of the world. If you look at who's in those BRICS nations, it has a lot of religious connotation to it. So I think, yeah, we do need a reorganization. We've spent centuries in slavery, enslavement. So we think An alternative WHO, alternative international body, or none at all.

So doctor Chetty, we're gonna sum up here. We've got about half a minute left. We in the West, we haven't heard a lot about this. It's gonna be voted on at the end of May, apparently. I saw that the amendments were rushed to through in South Africa at least that you've given very short time to to question them.

In in the West, as far as I know, apart from programs like this, we haven't talked about it at all. We've got a few weeks left. What can we do in a few sentences? I think, we sit with a difficult problem. Your representatives need to be engaged, and the public in your countries need to make it very clear that they will not stand by for these regulations to be signed.

If they are, Pylo, then we need to just realize that we're dealing with the private club that's trying to capture the our country and exit it. I would vote for a politician that will exit it irrespective of his local ability. The trouble he's gonna cause in my country pages into insignificance with the trouble that's gonna be caused by these elites if we don't address it. Doctor Shankar Achetti, a doctor based in South Africa and a fervent and fervent and proved right opponent of all the whole story about COVID. Thank you very much for telling us about the WHO treaty being voted in, in 3 weeks time.

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