Pomeroy Name Changes and DNA Family Groups

Just re-reading some of earlier reports on the POMEROY DNA Study regarding various concepts regarding the origins of A "unique" POMEROY family cluster, which occurred centuries ago. (illegitimate descent, or in some cases, assuming the name, within the family tree, for inheritance purposes. )

This reminded me of a particular Chancery record, which might serve as an example:

C 3 Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Pleadings, Series II, Elizabeth I to Interregnum

Plaintiffs: Henry Pomerye alias Henry Mortymyre and Tristram Pomerye . Tristram Mortymyre.

Defendants: John Whittinge and another.

Subject: property in Wyll [unidentified] and Eggesford, Devon. ( Wyll, in Stoke Gabriel)

Document type: [pleadings].

Covering dates 1558-1579 Held by The National Archives, Kew

While I can’t pretend to know how, the combination of these specific properties in Wyll (Stoke Gabriel) and Eggesford suggest that they must relate in an intimate sort of way, to the Pomeroy's of Berry Pomeroy, as both appear in the archives for many years, down to and including the following:

Circa 1550: “Recites grant by Edward, Duke of Somerset, to Sir

Thomas Pomeroy and Dame Jane his wife (dau. of Sir Perse

or Pierre Edgecombe), grandmother and grandfather of

Valentyne Pomeroy, of a tenement called Wyll, in StokeGabriel, to hold for the term of their lives.”

Garden Path Alert:

One Pomeroy daughter, given the early dates of the records, could be Blanche, daughter of Sir Richard Pomeroy, and mentioned in his will. She was married, was widowed and had a son "who was with” her father Sir Richard in 1496. (all mentioned, except Blanche 's husband..left nameless in his will.)

Was her son Thomas Mortymer of Berry Pomeroy?

Were her grandsons

“Henry Pomerye, alias Henry Mortymyre, and Tristram Pomerye, alias Tristram Mortymyre who had claims to Wyll in Stoke Gabriel and Eggesford?

And....stretching a bit here...

And could following man be related as well?

John Mortymer of Berry Pomeroy married on

1 Feb 1580 Johanna Ellis in Rattery.

Notes: March 2014:

Alma's notes and Garden Path stuff:

The Mortymer Pomeroy’s

Henry, Tristran, (both named in Chancery suit) and both born circa 1520.

We have long tried to fit early stray Pomeroy’s into the two documented Pomeroy families mentioned by Powley, without success.

Now we find another possible family group in the immediate area:

Henry Pomeroy alias Henry Mortimer, probably b. immediate area of Stoke Gabriel. c. 1520 parents unknown but somehow involved with property at Wyll ( Upper Wyll, Wyll, and Lower Well Farm,) next door to Sandridge, in Stoke Gabriel, which property remained in the Pomeroy family down to Roger Pomeroy, whose daughter married Gilbert. Could one of their descendants be the John Pomeroy b c 1700 who married Mary Narracott in Stoke Gabriel 1728?

Could the Witness Henry Pomeroy of Berry Pomeroy, who we know wasn’t descended from Sir Thomas, and who was a witness in Exeter with Thomas and son Thomas Pomeroy, be the Henry Pomeroy alias Henry Mortymer?

Deposition at Exeter, 25 April 8 Elizabeth, among others of Thomas Pomeroye Knight of the age of lxvi yeares: (66) Says manors of Parkhame& Lancrosse were his own lands and had them of the Dyfte Edwarde duke of Somers, Sen.

Says he never made any estate of land in the said manors unto Sr Richard Edgecombe knight and others . (Thomas Pomeroy, esqr vs George Bassett ).

Harrye (Henry) Pomeroye OF BERRY POMEROIE of the age of 42 (Born 1524) deposed that he knoweth the complainaint Thomas Pomeroy, the deft George Bassett, and Sir Thomas Pomeraie, Knight; knoweth the manors of Lancras since lamas (midsummer) day laste & the manor of Parkhamn since mid lent last past, etc.. etc.

Refers to a conversation had on Wednesday night after Easter, 1565, (Harry) had with Thos Pomeroy, complainant & others about the said land & as to how Sir Thos Pomeroy Knt. could not convey them because he had already conveyed them to his sonne Thomas; that John Marshall who received the said manors form Sir Thomas, knt, released them back again.

And could there have been other "alias Mortymer" children? Heaven's knows…of a half dozen Richard Pomeroy's of the early 16th century, we only know for certain the story of 2 of them.