In 1641, Tormoham, administration of the estate of Thomas Pomeroy was given to his Brother Valentine Pomeroy. Valentine was the son of Thomas Pomeroy and Honor Rolle. Where is the baptism record for this Thomas, son of Thomas? There is a gap of almost 10 years in the baptism records for Thomas Pomeroy and Honor Rolle. Who else might be missing?
Was William Pomeroy, father of William, bp Brixham 1597 another son of Thomas and Honor Rolle? I don't think so.
I believe he was William Pomeroy, son of Henry Pomeroy and Agnes Huckmore. Henry was "son and heir" of Richard Pomeroy and Eleanor Coker, of Bowden at Totnes. Richard (b 1492) was son of Thomas Pomeroy and Agnes Kelloway.
An interesting message from Niki Osborne e Jan 2022:
Jan 11, 2022: Update:
A series of emails:
-----Original Message-----
Niki Osborne <nikiosborne@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 15:15
Subject: Brixham Pomeroys and DNA
I remember that your interests included the descendants of Eltweed Pomeroy so though that you may be interested to know that my DNA shows 4 separate links to Eltweed's descendants through two of his sons. More evidence of the link Dorset and the Devon families. I'm happy to provide more information if it is of interest to you.
WILLIAM POMEROY, son of Henry Pomeroy and Agnes Huckmore: Birth not recorded in Brixham because he was not born there. Only proof is in archives:
ED/C/1222
Devon Archive Catalogue:
Edward Harrys of Cornworthy, esq; and the Mayor, Bailiffs and Commonalty
5 Oct 1581, For 2 years rent of land in Adelbury Wood, in Exminster.
9 July 1589:
Edward Harris, and Thomas: for the purchase of land in Addleburie wood in the parish of Exminster fo 60 years determinable on lives of Agnes Harrys Wife of said Edward and William Pomeroy, son of said Agnes.
Edward Harris. 1.1. Edward Harris, by his second wife, "Anne Huckmore* d. of Wm. Huckmore." .
Manors Adworthy, Afton Ipplepen,
Galmpton [Cherston Ferrers]. 1.1.2. Susan Harris, sp. Henry Fortescue. 1.1.3. William Harris. Harris died at Norton, in Churston.
Research Notes: Jan 2022:
We can see in those records that Agnes (Anne) Huckmore brought some of the property from her father William Huckmore to the Harris marriage. (Below) It appears that she also brought some of the leases of property acquired from her first husband Henry Pomeroy. The first child she had with Edward Harris was baptized Jan 20 1565. (He was close to 65 years old. She was 35.
We do not have accurate dates for Henry, but assume he died close to 1563.
Land records in National Archives tracing specific connections of this Pomeroy family:
The first note is from POWLEY:
Richard Pomerye (-1543-/50 ) and his son and heir HUGH disposed of premises in Magna Totnes-Bowdon in totnes), Tybecomb (Ashprington) and Aysshepryngton 12 Nov 1543 to John and William Giles: (Foot of Fine, 35 Henry VIII, PRO Bundle 8, File 41, No 75). Richard acquired, 9 Feb 1544, the manor of Wodeley (Woodleigh) of Laurence Bradmere, and of the same in 1547, premises in Axminster; he parted with premises in Widecombe to John Charlys 1550.
BRADMERE WAS IN DEBT TO POMEROY.
Reference: STAC 2/19/364
Description: PLAINTIFF: Lawrence Bradmere DEFENDANT: William Hurst
PLACE OR SUBJECT: Messuage and lands in Exminster COUNTY: Devon
Note: remainder in STAC 2/6, ff.8-10; bill addressed to Sir T. Audley See also STAC 2/19/342
Date: 22/04/1509-28/01/1547
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
37. Henry 8 Indenture between Lawrence Bradmere and Richard Pomeroy. (Bradmere of Bohay)
Sold place called WOODLEIGH: this was near East Allington, and Alvington.
Debt: Pomeroy was Plaitiff; Bradmere the Defendent.
Bradmere, Lawrence, of Bowhay, esq . (1548)
Edward Harrys acquires the land in Adelbury Wood in Exminster. Second Document:
He assigns it to William Pomeroy.
Adlebere - nearby is Oxton House which in the C16 belonged to Nicholas Hurst,
On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 10:16 AM nikiosborne <nikiosborne@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Alma
Thank you for your informative email. I am so impressed with the work you have done with the DNA and amazed at how the Pomeroys are all fitting together, it certainly overturns the theory that some of the Pomeroys were family retainers etc.
The Irish DNA match that I had was from Palllice in Cork. The family emigrated to the US:
George Homes Pomeroy bc 1709 Pallice Cork - 1776
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Elizabth Pomeroy 1730 - 1804
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Rebekah Kilpatrick 1753 - 1860
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Elizabeth Coons 1772 - 1852
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George Pottorff 1808 - 1888
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George Pottorff 1864 - 1965
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Luna Pottorff 1894 - 1990
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Dorothy Lambird 1920 - 1991
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livng (parent)
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living FB86
<1% shared DNA
9 cm; 1 seg
5-8 cousin
Curiously I also have a DNA match with Lewannick. Unfortunately the tree on ancestry is private, but if it would be useful I would be happy to contact the gentleman concerned and ask whether he would be happy to share information.
My Brixham Pomeroy ancestor is William who died in 1615, he could have been born around 1561 to 1570 and married a younger wife when he was in his late 20s to mid 30s. His children were born between 1597 and 1614. So it looks as though he may well be the son of Henry and Agnes Huckmore. I guess though that it will all depend on when Henry died! I very much liked your comment though linking the trees to Brixham shipbuilding. It does sound very reasonable!
kind regards
Niki
-----Original Message-----
From: Alma LaFrance <almalafrance@gmail.com>
To: nikiosborne <nikiosborne@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 4:01
Subject: Re: Brixham Pomeroys and DNA
Thanks. Very interesting! Your chart is excellent. I can easily check their trees.
We do have a family in Ireland in the Pomeroy Family Tree dna project, of this same genetic lineage. And another in USA whose ancestor left Ireland around 1790. Another in Wilton, Wiltshire.
While autosomal DNA generally only goes back 5 generations, before being dropped, we have found DNA in some lineages that are more “stickey,” and don’t get bumped out so easily. With so many matches for you, it’s difficult not to take this seriously.
I have in the YDNA project 14 men who most certainly descend from Thomas Pomeroy, who died 1493, in Bowden at Totnes. Thomas was 3rd son of Squire Henry Pomeroy of Berry Pomeroy. Also, in the YDNA project is a 15th man who matches all the others, including Eltwid descendants, but whose YDNA lineage appears to branch prior to 1440. We know this because we can see the branching points in the SNP paths of each of the men who tested at the Y700 level. To see the branching points I had to test two men from each of the lineages. What we can’t see is earlier: The 15th man happens to be Annie’s Pomeroy ancestor. We need a second direct Pomeroy descendant to establish the earlier branching points.
Key, of course is why I believe this genetic cluster descends from the Pomeroys of Bowden at Totnes, who lived there between 1470-1555.
I have pretty solid evidence that the Pomeroys who were in Clapton in Gordano in 1590 descend from Richard Pomeroy, b 1492, at Totnes, son of Thomas Pomeroy and Agnes Kelloway. (National Archives land and chancery records.) The YDNA results at the Y700 level show those Somerset Pomeroys are solid matches to not only Eltweed, but others with connections back to Devon, especially John Pomeroy of Holne, c 1590, and men from Ireland. One is in his 90’s and lives in Millstreet Ireland.
Richard Pomeroy, b 1492, married twice. He sold his Totnes holdings around 1545 and married a widow of Thomas Arthur, lord of Clapton in Gordano.
Prior to his second marriage, Richard and his first wife had at least two sons. With evidence of a 3rd, Hugh. (Mentioned by Powley.).
Richard, the elder, had a heir was Henry Pomeroy who Married Agnes Huckmore. Henry had 3 sons, Richard, Thomas, AND WILLIAM. And a daughter Elizabeth who married Sir Thomas Harris. Richard , the younger, was Henry’s heir but didn’t have any children. I believe that the 2nd brother Thomas then inherited the property around Brixham. He was living in Cornworthy. Up until 1590.
William was an infant when Henry died and Agnes remarried Arthur HARRIS. I have only found one record that proves Henry Pomeroy and Agnes Huckmore had a son WILLIAM. (National Archives) I know there must be more proof, but not available online. Arthur Harris gave William Pomeroy, his wife’s son by her first husband, a 60 year lease of acreage containing TREES near Exmouth . This is when lumber for ship building was in short supply but ships were needing to be built. Is this a clue?
Yes, we know there was a William Pomeroy in Brixham of the correct age.
Having children in Brixham. Was he your ancestor who died 1615?
I have suspected and explored that idea. I can’t find a William elsewhere who would fit. Your DNA matches offer us the first positive clue ever found.
Until we had a YDNA result for Annie’s Pomeroy ancestor, it was easier to visualize all the men in the genetic cluster descending from Thomas Pomeroy and Agnes Kelloway. However, the result for the Lewannick Pomeroys tosses that idea out the window.
The Lewannick Pomeroy s YDNA SNP path shows he descended from an earlier ancestor that Thomas Pomeroy and Agnes Kelloway. His lineage could have come down from a Pomeroy son, cousin, uncle, or great grandfather of Thomas, son of Squire Henry. Without a second test from another man in the Lewannick Pomeroy lineage, we have no way of dating the branching points.
This means your William could have, as well, but with your matching results, I rather think it’s a big stretch to go back further.
Hope this hasn’t been too general. It’s speculation, of course. I still haven’t sorted how Eltwid’ father Richard fits.
I am impressed with what you have sorted from your ancestry test and appreciate your sharing.
Kind regards,
Alma.
On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:06 AM nikiosborne <nikiosborne@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Alma
I am attaching the DNA links. The Eltwid descendants were not researched by me, they come from the family trees attached to my DNA member matches on Ancestry. I can't see any reason for the DNA matching unless Eltwid and my Brixham ancestors are related, but I do find it strange that all four of the Eltwid links are coming out as 5-8 cousins, while the only actual link must be further back. I've been through all the names mentioned on the Eltwid descendants' Ancestry trees and am satisfied that there are no other connections.
I also have a DNA match with a Pomeroy who comes from Ireland, but so far only one, so I'm waiting to see whether any more appear.
Kind regards
Niki
2/2015: I am inserting this Pomeroy Tree in here on a temporarily so that it won't become lost. More editing to follow when I'm back from vacation. (AML)
1 William Pomeroy
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Birth: abt 1560, Brixham, Devon
Death: 21 Sep 1615, Brixham, Devon
Father: (Henry Pomeroy, as per research by Pat Doetkott's father. )
William 26 Dec 1597. Brixham. No spouse give.
Note: Brixham vital record from Chris says
William who married 1594 was son of William Pomeroy. ???
Message from NK:
Date: 2003-05-26
Comments:
I think that there is another line of Brixham Pomeroys though. Starting with William & Elizabeth P who married c 1596, they had William bapt 24/04/1597 bur 26/12/1597, Peter bapt 17/02/1599, John bapt 20/9/1601 bur 4/11/1641 m Susan Reeve 20/10/1624 (my ancestors), Agnes bapt 7/11/1604 m 17/01/1633 John Metfod, Elizabeth bapt 14/0/1607 bur 22/08/1607, Honour bapt 22/7/1610 and Henry bapt 23/07/1614 bur 8/9/1616.
John and Susan had Valentine b 9/10/1630 bur 13/7/1634 (referred to as the son of John in the bur register), Elizabeth bapt 9/7/1633 m Daniel Whiddon 5/2/1654-5, Margaret bapt 22/08/1635, George bapt 6/9/1636 bur 23/5/16//, John bapt 24/02/1639.
Elizabeth and Daniel Whiddon's children included Marion Whiddon bapt 24/06/1656 bur 4/12/1722 m (1) 10/10/1681 John Bartlett bapt 1656 d 15/06/1689 and (2) Paul Pomeroy 25/12/1
Spouse: Elizabeth
Marriage: 24 Apr 1597, Brixham, Devon
Children: William (1597-1597)
Peter (1598-1649)
John (1601-1679)
Agnes (1604-)
Elizabeth (1607-1607)
Honor Honner (1610-)
Henry (1613-1616)
1.1 William Pomeroy
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Birth: 24 Apr 1597, Brixham, Devon
Death: Dec 1597, Brixham, Devon
Parish Reg;
1597, 24 Apr bapt. William, son of William Pomeroy, son of Thomas??
1.2 Peter Pomeroy
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Birth: 17 feb 1598/99, Brixham, Devon
Death: 1649, Tormorham, Devon, Torquay
Burial: 31 Dec 1649, Torquay, Tormoham, Devon
Birth: 17 Feb 1598, Brixham, Devon
Peter Pomeroy
29/01/1633: schoolmaster for Tormohun and Cockington
Qualification Lit (Literature?)
Peter Pomeroy signed oath. May 3 1641, prior to his marriage.
Spouse: Elizabeth Causane
Marriage: 28 Nov 1641, Tormoham, Devon UK
Children: Gilbert (1641-)
Barbory (1643-)
Peter Of Paignton (1645-1693)
1.2.1 Gilbert Pomeroy
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Birth: 25 Feb 1641/42, Brixham, Devon
Probably Gilbert Pomeroy buried 1738, Dartmouth: December 28th
1.2.2 Barbory Pomeroy
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Birth: 30 Apr 1643, Tormoham Parish Torquay
1.2.3 Peter POMERY POMEROY Of Paignton
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Birth: 28 Sep 1645, Tormoham, Devon UK
Death: 3 Oct 1693, Tormorham, Devon
Torquay
Spouse: Rebecky
Children: Sarah
MARGARET (1669-)
Thomas (1673-) Paignton
Rebeckey (1675-)
Ann (1678-)
Richard (1685-1695)
1.2.3.1 Sarah Pomeroy
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Spouse: Toby Belfield
1.2.3.2 MARGARET POMERY POMEROY
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Birth: 1 Aug 1669, Paignton, Devon, England
1.2.3.3 Thomas POMERY POMEROY
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Birth: 19 May 1673, Paignton, Devon, England
1.2.3.4 Rebeckey Pomeroy
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Birth: 30 Jan 1675/76, Tormoham, Devon UK
1.2.3.5 Ann Pomeroy
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Birth: 13 Sep 1678, Paignton, Devon, England
1.2.3.6 Richard POMERY POMEROY
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Birth: 31 Dec 1685, Paignton, Devon, England
Burial: 4 Jul 1695, Paignton, Devon
1.3 John Pomeroy
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Birth: 20 Sep 1601, Brixham, Devon, England
Burial: 26 Feb 1678, Brixham, Devon
John m. had son Richard:
Name Richard Pomerey
Gender Male
Christening Date 19 Oct 1624
Christening Place BRIXHAM,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Pomerey
Indexing Project (Batch) Number P00186-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 0090708, BOOK
Signed Protestation Rolls, Devon 1642:
Brixham: Richard Pomeroy, John Pomeroy.
Spouse: Susan Reeve
Death: 14 Dec 1626, Brixham, Devon, Burials
The Reeves and Bartlett families which my line (Niki) of Pomeroys married into appear to have been bankers, their names appear regularly in financial papers, they seem to have been quite successful, sometimes are referred to as 'Mr' in the parish registers and a couple married in Exeter Cathederal.
Marriage: 20 Oct 1624, Brixham, Devon, England
Children: Richard (1624-<1670)
Valentine (1630-1634)
Elizabeth (1633-)
Margaret (1635-)
George (1635-1688)
John (1638-)
1.3.1 Richard Pomeroy
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Birth: 19 Oct 1624, Brixham, Devon
Death: bef 1670
Signed oath to Parliment in Brixham 1642
Spouse: Elizabeth Skrevene
Death: 20 Feb 1670, Brixham, Devon
Marriage: 8 Jan 1645, Brixham, Devon
Children: Peter (1655-)
Florence (1658-)
Margaret (ca1668-?1669)
1.3.1.1 Peter Pomeroy
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Birth: 8 Nov 1655, Brixham, Devon
A Peter Pomeroy had children in Paignton in 1680’s
1.3.1.2 Florence Pomeroy
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Birth: 25 Oct 1658, Brixham, Devon, England
1.3.1.3 Margaret Pomeroy
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Birth: ca 1668, Paignton, Devon, England
Death: ? 25 Oct 1669, Brixham, Devon, Burials
1.3.2 Valentine Pomeroy
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Birth: 9 Oct 1630, Brixham, Devon
Burial: 13 Jul 1634, Brixham, Devon, England
(A Valentine pomeroy buried 1662 in Torquay.Wonder who he was.)
1.3.3 Elizabeth Pomeroy
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Birth: 9 Jul 1633, Brixham, Devon, England
Spouse: Daniel WHIDDON
Birth: 1633
Marriage: 5 Feb 1654, Brixham, Devon, England
Children: Marine Marrion (1656-1722)
1.3.3.1a Marine Marrion BARTLETT ALIAS WHIDDON*
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Birth: 24 Jun 1656, Brixham, Devon
Death: 1722, Brixham, Devon, England
Spouse: Paul Pomeroy Gent; constable
Birth: 30 Aug 1655, Brixham, Devon, England
Death: 3 Nov 1733, Brixham, Devon, England
Birth: abt 1660, Churston Ferrers Bp John there 1689
Father: William POMEROY POMMEROY Gent (1606-1683)
Mother: Jane WOULFE (~1609-1660)
From Parish records
Also IGI
PAUL POMEROY
Birth: 30 AUG 1655 Brixham, Devon, England
See notes on Gilbert/petitions to Parliment: inquries etc. Constable of Brixham.,or his son? 1723
His children inherited from Roger Pomeroy/Hugh Pomeroy, Gilbert Pomeroy, etc.
Rolls of 1723: Paul Pomery (Pomeroy), constable of Brixham [Signed]
Marriage: 25 Dec 1705, Brixham, Devon
Other spouses: John BARTLETT
1.3.3.1b Marine Marrion BARTLETT ALIAS WHIDDON* (See above)
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Spouse: John BARTLETT
Birth: ca 1656, Brixham, Devon
Other spouses: Paul Pomeroy Gent; constable
1.3.4 Margaret Pomeroy
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Birth: 22 Aug 1635, Brixham, Devon
1.3.5a George Pomeroy
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Birth: 6 Sep 1635, Brixham, Devon
Death: 1688, Brixham, Devon
He signed petition New Foundland Fisheries 1642.
Spouse: Izabel Thomas
Marriage: 15 Oct 1658, Brixham, Devon, England
Other spouses: Mary Ogier
1.3.5b George Pomeroy (See above)
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Spouse: Mary Ogier
Marriage: 13 Jan 1659/60, Brixham, Devon
Other spouses: Izabel Thomas
1.3.6 John Pomeroy
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Birth: 24 Feb 1638/9, Brixham, Devon
1.4 Agnes Pomeroy
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Birth: 7 Nov 1604, Brixham, Devon, England
Spouse: John Metford
Marriage: 17 Jan 1633/34, Brixham, Devon
1.5 Elizabeth Pomeroy
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Birth: 14 Aug 1607, Brixham, Devon, England
Death: 22 Aug 1607, Brixham, Devon
Linked to B (Berry Pomeroy) by transcriber. “May be in original record.”
1.6 Honor Honner Pomeroy
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Birth: 22 Jul 1610, Brixham, Devon, England
two Honor Pomeroy’s were married in Brixham
1637:
2 oct 1637: Honor (Stonner) M. John Browne
27 nov 1637 Honner m. Roger Emerye
Spouse: John Brown
Marriage: 2 Oct 1637, Brixham, Devon
1.7 Henry Pomeroy
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Birth: 23 Jul 1613, Brixham, Devon, England
Death: 8 Sep 1616, Brixham, Devon
Birth: Brixham, Devon
There was a Henry Pomeroy married 1642 Elizabeth Huette.
In Brixham. Wonder if this is the same HENRY?