She said, "Would you like to come next thursday to the Sai Center". I said, "We love God, we are spiritual people, so we will go and in the mean time she gave me a book to read, "Man of Miracles". I read it completely. When we went to the center, I saw all westerners Singing, Indian & Sanskrit bhajans, I said, Look at the stupid myself. i can't even do what they are doing. Look at their love for this person. This is God. That's it. It was instant connection. And from then on whatever i wished came true!!

I wished, I want that picture in my house & it came to me. Another wish, I just wanted to go see him & within 6 weeks i was there. For 6 months i had no job, everywhere i was rejected. From that point i went to the Sai Center & following 7 thursdays, i had a job in my hand every thursday. I talked to the Center president about this, & he said, this is how he works, now go and thank him. But how could i go & meet him. I didn't know him. My earlier company had gone bankrupt. I had no savings. How am i going to see him. I didn't have money to buy the ticket.

But it just so happened, the very next day,i got 2 credit cards by mail, one with a $1500 & another with $1000 limit. i said, to my family, now we can all go now. We went all of us, my wife & 2 new born children.

When i had first darshan of Swami, in a car, my heart spoke, we are Indians, we eat flesh, non veg. etc. I would not eat meat any more & from that time i stopped eating non-veg.

In all he materialized & gave me 4 rings, at different points in time. During one occasion, my old ring was broken. he took it from my hand, blew over it & manifested a new golden ring & slided it on my finger. During another occasion, I wanted to touch his feet, but did not get a chance. He was in the zhoola, he touched my heart with his feet, while swaying back & forth.

In 1982, there were many miracles in our house. Manifestations of Vibhuti, Kumkum, Amrit, sandalwood etc. on pictures. I have made around 100 odd visits to Puttaparthi, around 3-4 per year.

I had back trouble in 2006. L4 L5 disc slip problem. I was bed ridden completely. I had all physicians, neuro surgeons who said you have to get operated otherwise within 6 months your leg will have to be amputated. I was praying very hard to him. I could not walk even to my bathroom because of severe pain. Every time i went to the bathroom or for tooth brush, i had to rest for 1 hour, because of excruciating pain. It was getting worse day by day & no therapy was helping. But then finally, a friend asked Swami that Wadhwani is in pain. Swami said, "Tell Wadwani, no operation for him".

My daughter was a doctor. She said, "How is this possible?" Let us have a second opinion. So we went to another surgeon. He said "Yes you have a problem. It's bad. But with time it can go away. The way the injury is, it is a lateral slip. I cannot cut open the back & fix the slip disc. So i have to go from the front & there is 50% chance that it will interfere with the organs and do more damage. But with God's grace, i took some injections, 3 in 1 month's time & i felt slightly better. My younger son Satya was going to India & volunteered to take me to India. We flew together.

When we reached there, it was Ati Rudra Maha Yadnya, the final day, the Purnahuti day. I was sitting in the veranda. After the Yadnya was over, Swami walked upto to me. I gave him a letter. He blessed it, but I sweated lot like never before in Puttaparthi, as if i was drenched in a swimming pool. All my clothes were wet. Next day he called me for an interview along with a couple from Europe, just 3 of us. Swami looked at me. I said, "Swami too much pain. Sorry could not come for Guru-Purnima. I just couldn't move & family won't allow me to come." Swami said, "I know, I know, Excruciating pain, too much pain...too much pain...". He said like that & then he touched it & slowly lifted the hand sky upwards & while doing this he said "Pain... chala... gaya.... (Pain has gone)". He did this 3 times, & just see what happened. I had gone inside with a stick & i came out without a stick !!! & became all right !!! He is the doctor of doctors.

In 1991, I was a heart patient. In June 1991, summer time, i was diagnosed with a heart condition. 2 Sai devotees suggested that i should get operated, They wanted my Wife's permission. My Wife said, I cannot let you touch & operate him till i ask Sai Baba, & imagine, in 1991 we were not so close to Sai Baba, probably just had 1 interview. So this would have been the 2nd close interaction with Swami, if we got that opportunity. My wife said, "I want to go and ask Swami". The doctor said, "Madam, do you understand, he is walking time bound." She said, "Give him some medical therapy, give him some drugs & i will take my chance." So they gave me some tablets. Whenever the angina pain came, i used to swallow one tablet & took some patches to keep my blood thin. I went through excruciating angina pain for 4 months until November & then we got there at Puttaparthi 14th or 15th Nov.

The Super Speciality hospital was being constructed. I thought, if i get there, i would be the first patient in the hospital, who knows? So we got there. We were fortunate that Swami gave us passes to be inside the dome. The inauguration happened, it went OK. Then on the 25th he came in the morning & said, How many are you? I said, "Swami 2, me & my wife". He said, "Very Good". I forgot that my Son Jatin was also there. I should have told 3. In the evening he asked again, How many are you. I said 3. He said "Ha, Come". We went inside & sat next to him & he asked first question, What do you want. i said, nothing i want you. He said, You want me, very happy & then he materialized a golden bracelet & said, "This is what i am" There was an OM on the Bracelet & behind there was a Sarva Dharma symbol.

Then he let us inside the private interview room. My Son Jatin & wife were also there. Then Bhagawan asked my wife, "Whats the news.?" She said, "My husband's health is not well." He looked at her, he looked at me & then he gently tapped on the heart 3 times & said "No heart problem". His Sankalp(will), when he says the word, then it comes true. Then he put the Bracelet in my hand. He was looking quite angry at that time. My wife said, "But doctors are saying, he needs operation & medicines." Swami said, "Amma no..... medicines, no..... doctor, no.... operation. i am in him, around him, i am above him. It is my duty to take care of him. No harm will come to him. This is my Raksha(Protection)." & lo & behold, the Angina pain went away !!!

Many such health issues came & went away by his Grace.

Hari Om Tat Sat

Mr. Win Platzer

The first glimpse I had of Sai Baba, he comes walking, clockwise around a big circle, I would say a diameter of around 50 feet. There was a huge tree in the middle. A help of Swami, walked next to him and Whispered something in his ears & Swami turned around and saw that there was a man in a wheelchair and I will never ever forget that incident. Swami's help was pleading with Swami to heal the man in the wheelchair and Swami looked at the man in the wheelchair. The man in the wheelchair was maybe around 15 feet away from him. Sai baba lifted his hand and I heard a loud noise, a really loud loud noise like and atmospheric condition and the man was covered with a white powder instantly & then the most striking thing was, this man in orange robe, a short man with Afro (Sai Baba), gave him only half of a second of attention and turned and continued walking. I watched the man in the wheelchair, as to what happened to him, that was my business. The man in the wheelchair started breathing heavily and got up and walked !!! along with all the Vibhuti on him. I did not know that it was Vibhuti, I thought it was dust. The Vibhuti had come from Baba's hand because he lifted his hand and then that thunderous noise had started. Swami turned around and continued walking and did not even see what happened and that impressed me the most, because anybody else would have said, "Are you healed now? Are you Ok?". Nothing, he continued walking non-chalantly. This was in 1973. This was the very first thing I saw of Sai Baba. It had a ton of impact on me and I extended my visa for up to half a year because of what I saw.

I got very strong directions. I had just finished University and did not know what to do with my life. I was idiotic, arrogant acamadecian. I had a possibility of teaching and asked him to guide me a little bit in my profession. First of all I asked him to heal me, which he did.

I had one really wonderful experience, which is close to my heart. My mother wrote me a letter, saying she was not feeling well. I was for months & days, having purchased a packet of Vibhuti from the Ashram and wanted Baba to bless it for my mother. He would go to the guy before me and the guy next to me and ignore me, as if I am a stinker. This continued to happen over and over, day in and day out. One day, after I had got that letter, I wanted to get that Vibhuti blessed, He had already passed me, 15 feet away from me, but turned around and he gave me a 110 volts electric shock. My whole arm was electrified. I somersaulted backwards, stood up & then I jumped over the fence. I had no idea why I jumped over the fence. Swami exited the Ashram and went in his little room and then I refused to wear a badge. We had to wear the badge because we had Summer Showers and the order said you have to have a badge. I said, if this is a real spiritual place, forget about the badge, So I was one of the few people who had

no badge. Swami looked at me sternly, because I am in his Ashram, like what you are doing and I froze, I couldn't move. I could not jump over the fence back and I said in German to myself, "Swami are you angry that I don't wear a badge?" and he started smiling & grinning and my arm just relaxed and then I went back over the fence and a whole bunch of Indians came and the Vibhuti was blessed because he touched it. I lost the whole Vibhuti because there were around 15 Indians around me and everyone wanted the blessed Vibhuti and I was left with nothing which is ok.

I also follow Amma Sri Karunamayi. There is no conflict. I talked to Amma about it, she says "I am Sai mother". So it is one family. I have been following Amma since 1996, when she first came to America. Then I did see her. I cry in her presence.

In order to understand and experience true unconditional love, which is actually desired by everybody, it is good to be in the presence of someone who demonstrates it.

Hari Om Tat Sat

Mr. Issac Tigrett

Childhood and Issues

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I am from Jackson tennesee, which is a small country town between Nashville and Memphis Tennessee.

I had a very unusual childhood and not unlike many other people, have suffered greatly in this life, probably due to things in a past life. I really had a wonderful

childhood until I was about thirteen years old. My family founded the town that I come from. They founded the town of Jackson Tennesee. They employed everyone in the town.

So I grew up in a very unique situation where i was given far too much attention, since i was born. I walked downtown every saturday morning with my Nanny and all the

shopkeepers would come out and give me a gift and I was raised in a ery princely sort of way.

Things were going on like this, until at the age of 13 years. At that time, I was playing with my little brother. There was a freak accident that occurred at a wash

on a river. He fell into the river and the river bank gave way. He was covered up and I dug him out. My next to door neighbour had run to the spot and he had a heart attack

for running so much. He was a retired Air Force general. His son came running over to see what was wrong with him. He was about 6 or 7 years old and went into total

Hysteria. Then the Nanny who had been watching, who knew that we were not supposed to play at that place, came out and saw the little boy, my brother Hewitt, completely

blue and went into total Hysteria. I gave him artificial respiration for about 40-45 minutes and then the Ambulance came & took the man with the Heart attack, my little

brother, all of them away. I went back and prayed for several hours alone and prayed for this boy's life. He was dead.

My parents blamed me for this death and they also blamed each other. At the same time my parents never spoke again. A few months after that, my older brother

developed Scrizophenia & became Scrizophenic. He had become mentally ill. He flipped out completely and I spent a number of years in mental institutions with him. He

wouldn't talk to anyone else but me. These were torturous years for me because I was locked wars with many other people. He eventually took his own life. My mother and

father never spoke again, and again, I blamed myself for this as well as for my second brothers death. My father sort of committed social and business suicide, and he

allowed his business, which employed everyone in our town of Jackson, Tennessee, to fail on purpose to punish himself. I also believed that this was my fault. He eventually

left Jackson Tennessee and left my mother and ran off with a young lady to England. It took me many many years to deal with this extreme sadness. It went on for so long. It

was so painful.

Not anything different than what many of you may have experienced, I am sure and I was preoccupied with all of these tragedies for many many years and thought, "Oh!

what a terrible life I surely had." and on one occasion, not long ago when I was with Sai Baba, and I must say that this occasion changed my life. I asked him or rather he

turned to me and said, "Tigrett, do you have any questions about anything which you would like to know about. I will answer any question?". And I said, "Yes, I would like

to know why I was born into a family with so much tragedy and death and insanity and violence and and all these things that went on for so many years, went on and on and

on, why was I born into a family like this?". And he smiled and looked at me and he said, "To soften your heart". And I can tell you now that suddenly I realised that I had

been blessed to be born into that family and to have experienced those experiences, because what little I am today, it has made me, and God knows I had a massive ego and if

I hadn't had those experiences, what I would be doing. What I thought was a curse, the moment he said it, I realised was in fact a blessing, because those combination of

experiences has given me the understanding, the patience, love, integrity.

Its simply your karma. As Baba has said so many many times before, Past is past, the future is uncertain, NOW is the time. You are making your future now. Whatever

you put out comes back to you. Its a very simple simple formula in the spiritual world just as its in the laws of physics.

Going to England & Founding The Hard Rock Cafe

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I became dsyfunctional after my first brother died. My family became embarassed by me. I was in trauma shock and spoke rarely. So they sent me to England to work in

a factory. I worked in this factory for 2 years. My father had a business in England. I was 16-17 years old when I arrived. I was making about 30$ a week.

I had only one desire. My parents were divorced. My mother had lost 2 sons and a husband. The family was in shatters. So I had only one desire, to give her some

sort of gift. So I saved every penny and walked to work in the rain everyday. By 1968, I had saved upto 600 english pounds. As a gift of love, I brought an old Rolls Royce

car for my mother. I got on a boat and took it to America. I got off the boat. A man came upto me. He said it is a 1953 Rolls Royce car. They made only 523 of them. I would

like to buy that car from you. I could barely talk. I told him, "No, this is a gift of love for my mother and I just paid about 1000$ for it". He said, "I will give you

35000$ for that car. I said, "Sir, no please". He said, "My bank is right there". 5 minutes later, I had 35000$. I went back and brought 5 more cars. A window had opened in

the market. I could buy the cars in England and sell them for a 1000-2000% more in US. I went back and brought 5 or 10 more. I put an add in the NewYork Times. The cars

were sold before I got them off the boat. I made this journey, a couple of times over 8 months and then the window closed. I was 19 years old and I just made 250,000$ in 8

months. I was so taken by this revolution that i found my true identity as a hippy.

Then i said to myself that we should open an Altar, where we could worship all the heroes of our generation -- artisians, musicians and models. So at the age of 22,

the 2nd gift of love arrived in London at 150 O Park lane, called the Hard Rock cafe. I started a business when I was nineteen which I called the Hard Rock Cafe. The Lord

blessed me with phenomenal success, beyond my wildest dreams. In fact there are many people of whom, later as I became a Sai devotee, I worried constantly. I wasn't very

popular in Sai groups such as this, mainly because people felt like that, this guy runs a bunch of rock and roll, and drugs and crazy stuff (and it was), but you know, Sai

is not going to be in a place like that and he is not going to be using someone like that. And I worried about it a great deal for many many years. I can only tell you that

subsequent to Sai being so wonderful and calling me in and now spending so much time with me, which I am blessed to be able to do, he's told me that the Hard Rock Cafe was

his, which I knew, which I knew. You may know that there is a picture of Sai Baba in every Hard Rock Cafe and it's very interesting. He said that it was an "oasis of light

in a sea of darkness" and I feel that, that is really what all of us are, and should be, in this Kali Yuga -- a beacon for him. It was a fabulous time for me.

Journey to India & First Glimpse of Sathya Sai Baba

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I was a young man, going through growing up, drugs and popularity because of Hard Rock Cafe. There was an inner calling that interrupted my normal human self. I've

been receiving metaphysical sort of visitations (callings) since I was about thirteen years old.

I was terrified at the beginning and didn't understand it. It was actually a preacher named Norman Vincent of New York City, who is a friend of my family, who put me on the

path originally and explained to my parents (and to me) that I wasn't insane, because I certainly felt that I was going insane at that time when things not of your own

making come into your consciousness. Now I know that that's exactly where we all should really be! It was very interesting. I had to find out where this calling was coming

from. I read many many books. One book talked about this kind of relationship happening between Masters and Students. I read a lot of books on Gurus, realised beings,

Masters and metaphysics. Finally it became so overpowering that I was being called to find an answer. 2 years after we opened the Hard Rock Cafe (1971), when we settled

down with the financial problems etc., I went on with this quest.

Eventually I was blessed to buy the rights to a book. I got one of those visitations which said, " Buy the Secret Life of Plants." I didn't know what this was. I

was about 23 years old. About two three weeks later, here in the books section of Newsweek magazine, which I avidly read, there was a book that had come out about

parapsychology and psychic phenomenon, whose name was the "Secret Life of Plants" by Christopher Bird and Peter Tompkins. This was 1973. I immediately called up the authors

and said, "I would like to buy the theatrical rights to your book because it's a subject that's very near and dear to me." I bought the rights to this book (Secret Life of

Plants). I called these authors and the guys said, "Oh Mr. Tigrett, I can't believe that you want this, this is a complete failure. This book, Harpers and Row had published

this, it had been their big Christmas book, it had been received very poorly" and I said, "I don't care. I know I am supposed to buy the theatrical rights from you." and I

did for practically no money whatsoever over the telephone & made a film out of it. Six weeks later it hit the New York Times bestseller list. it stayed there for fifty

seven weeks and the next thing I knew, I was one of the most popular guys in Hollywood for a very short period of time and it was really quite fantastic. It took me to

California and Warner Brothers. I made a distribution deal. Steve Wonder became my partner. He is a very spiritual gentleman and he did the sound track to the film which is

an album called the "Secret Life of Plants". We went on a journey around the world for about a year nine months, as we were writing the screenplay, to research all the

phenomenon on the planet, which this book had been written about. We went to places like Virginia Beach. We went to the University of California, in Southern California,

where they had parapsychology department. I remember going down to Mexico, they had a gentleman there who actually was an indigent street gentleman who could take Polaroid

film and put it up on his forehead and make any type of photograph appear. If you wanted a picture of the New York City skyline with J.F.K. silhouette over the top, he

would do it for you. Infact he would do it primarily for alcohol and I remember distinctly that later on in the day, the buildings would start to slant a little bit. He was

pretty exciting. But this journey eventually took me to the mothership of phenomenon, our beloved India , the most fantastic land on this planet. I mean it's rich with

everything to do with spiritualism. It is the people who have kept the spiritual train running. It's wondrous that this fabulous land, which many of us have been blessed to

go to, is still

there in the midst of this Kali Yuga to protect and proclaim that God is everything and everywhere.

I came here 24 years old. I backpacked all over India, to the Himalayas, to Rajasthan, to Punjab, to Southern India, wherever I heard that there was a Yogi, a

Sadhu, an Ashram and I came very close, several different times. It was actually someone in the South by the name ShivBala Yogi. His vibration was very powerful. He could

speak to you without opening his mouth. I came across a great master who died in 1865 and when they die, they believe that it is just the body that dies and the power is

retained. His name was RamaKrishna who had written many many books and I had very powerful experiences at his Ashram that overwhelmed me and it just kept the fire burning

but this wasn't it either. I travelled and looked and was here and there for 8 months. I had heard of a Yogi in a place called Aurangabad and went to Aurangabad to find

this guy and could not find him and I had a flight that afternoon for Delhi to go back to London. I was having the breakfast in the hotel room and all of a sudden this very

loud voice, "I am waiting for you. I am Waiting for you...". And I looked up and there was a picture of a strange looking Indian man, with an Afro this big. I stared at

this picture and I could tell immediately that this picture was sending these messages to me. So I immediately ran to the reception desk and asked them who in the world is

that. They said that he was their National Treasure, living in Bangalore and a Guru to the Hotel owner. He had not even been on my list of masters to visit in India, But of

course, I knew that that was the master that I had been searching for, for many many years or suspected it. I changed my air ticket and went to Bangalore. I caught a taxi

and went to the place, where he had his university.

It was a Sunday. There was a big open field. There was a tree in the middle and there were about 200 men and women, all Indians. Women on one side and men on

another side and they were all standing there. I didn't go in and join them. I had just taken my puff of Opium and I stood back near the wall. I was dressed in black of

course. I just leaned at the entrance and suddenly this creature came out of his residence. I was mesmerised, simply because of his appearance and there was this air of

total serenity, radiating from him, which was something new. He walked right past the group, which was waiting for hours to see him and he came right over to me and said,

"You have come at last. I have been waiting for you." I just fell back. He said, "We are not new friends. we are old old friends." He said, "We have much work to do

together. You wait here." and he moved his hand and this powder came out of his fingers, which I had no idea about what it was. I just looked at it and he said "Eat it...

very good" and so I ate it and he walked away, way back to his group of 200 and they were singing songs and so forth and so on. Then I thought, this is the one. This has to

be the one. This was the source of the whispers. Thus began my association with Sathya Sai Baba, that was 1973. I left that day, caught a flight from Bangalore to Delhi and

went back to London.

In his Ashram, there were all signs of 5 human values(Truth, righteousness, Love, peace, Non violence).

Incorporating Sai's principles in Business

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Thus I discovered this amazing Master in India. I was so reminded of Jesus, whom I love so much. He was doing all the things that Jesus had taught - helping the poor,

giving education and spreading love everywhere he went. So I stole from him, one of his sayings - "Love All Serve All". The first time I went to Puttaparthi, that on

leaving the canteen, I noticed a little wooden sign over the door which says "Love all, Serve all." So I thought, well, he's got me in this amazing crazy world, in this

crazy business , and it struck me so strongly, that I said, "This surely is the only thing that's important in life and I am going to put this into my business." This one

little message changed my whole life. I went back and I started preaching to my staff, it was in my heart anyway, I had always felt it, that "Love all, Serve all" is for

what we're born. Its why we are here. There is no other thing to think about and I adopted this expression for my business. In fact, in every Hard Rock Cafe throughout the

world, you will find

a sign that says "Love all, Serve all." In fact, we put it on millions of T-shirts, twenty million matches and buttons and this and that and everything else. You are

getting so much attention from so many people. Why not reflect back a message to those people, so I reflected this message, and I would give a speech about it to my staff

once a month at some Hard Rock Cafe in the world and this is how I ran my business. I knew that I had to bring in my spiritual life into my business. He wants us to be his

instruments, and I tried to become this

instrument for him. I am still obviously trying very hard. I have to say that “Love all, Serve all” became the motto of my staff and of all the people who admire what we

were doing.

I ran my business first with just 150 kids. From the 1st day, all the heroes for which the altar was built came. All the artists, musicians, Models came. I was

terrified as I still could not speak and I didn't know that people would actually come and talk to me. So they came one after another. Everyday 100-200, as they approached

me, I could sense that they are actually divine beings approaching me. I felt honoured that anyone would even want to talk to me.

It was devastating, when people started asking questions to me -- How to solve this and how to solve that, and he started broadcasting the answers to me. But they all

came to me in the most simplistic form as they should. They came in the form of 5 vedic values -- Tell the Truth, do the right thing (be Righteous), Is this the place of

Love that you are creating or just a place of bad vibrations. Are my staff, coming here just to get their cheque or are they coming here because they want to come here for

work. Everytime I came up with a problem, he would answer it like an inner voice. I started conversing with divinity when I was very young. It continues today.

Swami always used to say that, "Tigrett was born in London". But I wasn't, I was born in USA. He went on for years, saying that "Tigrett was born in London...Tigrett was

born in London..." and it wasn't until recently he said and I realised that indeed, I was born in London, on 150 O Park lane in the Hard Rock Cafe. From a boy who could not

talk or sit in a room with more than 3 people to a boy who couldn't stop talking. But it didn't stop there. As the years rolled by, the Hard Rock Cafe became very famous.

Many were opened around the world. There are around 198 around the world. After 20 years, I saw an opportunity once again to give a gift of love - from a gift of love for

my mother to a gift of love to my generation - The Shri Sathya Sai hospital. That amazing hospital is about to reach it's 4 millionth patient and isn't it amazing how Love

does conquer all. So Love is the message and the way. So if you have love, you have mutual respect for one another, you become fearless, the world belongs to you and

kindness which is the most important thing, you can share with anyone else. This is the most infectious, amazing thing on the planet. So if you don't believe in anything,

the greatest thing you can do is take time to be kind to everyone you meet.

15 years of Ignoring

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After I first met Sathya Sai Baba, I didn't speak to him again from 1973, although I went there every year. I would spend a couple of weeks, sometimes a month, sometimes

longer. And eventually I spent 15 years going there, between 1973 and 1989, without getting a glance from Shri Sathya Sai Baba.

In fact, its sort of interesting. I became sort of the ashram joke to a degree. Its so funny, whenever someone was going

through a traumatic state there, which seems to be a regular thing there, they would wheel me out because I was the guy who hadn't had an interview, or a glance, or a look,

or a word, for 5 years, 8 years, 12 years and eventually 15 years. But I knew who he was and that was all that was necessary. I still, to this day, am mystified, why its

even necessary to talk to

him, or why he really wants me to be there for him to talk to. Its totally unnecessary because he is not what he appears to be at all. He is much more dynamic than a little

man with furry hair running around building hospitals

and universities and I mean that quite seriously. I will never forget those 15 years of ignoring. It was so fantastic. It was in fact my dear friend Michael Hollander, who

kept saying, "Hang in there Isaac! hang in there! hang in there!" and it was always a great comfort to see him there, as I did, many many times over the years.

I was really sort of in a state of shock when he did call me, after 15 years. I think, the reason being is that I had a number of

fabulous experiences over that fifteen year period, where he reassured me who he was.

I remember, I had a very wild life. One time, in 1975 or 1976, I was driving a car in a terribly intoxicated state, at about five o'clock in the morning, at a speed of

about ninety miles an hour, in California, down a canyon. This car flew off into the air, about 300-400 feet down and I had actually fallen asleep while driving home. And

Sai Baba suddenly appeared next to me in the car, put his arm around me, and I just noticed him as the car started to spin in mid air. It went over probably about ten

times. There was nothing left of the car. There was no windshield, there was no roll bar, there were no doors, there was no engine, there was nothing, it was totally and

completely destroyed. Yet, the pressure of his arm around me, protected me completely and I got up and walked out of this car without even a bruise. I got on a plane

immediately and went to India to thank him, and of course he ignored me the whole time.

Again, in 1977, I had an epileptic fit due to an intense drug overdose in a hotel room in Denver, Colorado about one o'clock in the morning. I went into epilepsy. I

lost all motor response. I fell to the floor. I swallowed my tongue. I choked to death. My spirit came out of the top of my head. I was in a different state of

consciousness and I was looking down at my body. Something in that state of consciousness, said to me, "Your time is not now, call your gurus name". I called Sai Baba's

name and he appeared instantly in this room. He picked me up and put me on a bed. He pulled my tongue out. I am watching this from above. He placed his hand on my chest and

pushed on my chest and the spirit went right back into my body. I was back into the state of epilepsy for a number of minutes. And shortly afterwards I was released from

hospital. I left for India the next day to thank Sai Baba and he ignored for several months on that occasion as well.

Fifteen years later, at Whitefield, while we are working on the hospital, in the presence of a number of distinguished surgeons who had gathered together to discuss

the hospital. I was sitting next to him, and he said, "I saved this man's life two times .... didn't I?" This is fifteen years later. I said ,"Yes of course." He leaned

over and whispered in my ear, "And many other times too." As you all know, Sai Baba is hilarious, but his humour is really something else.

1st Interview with Sai Baba after 15 years of Ignoring

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I always had this fear that I was doing something wrong. I mean, it seemed so crazy to be in such a crazy world and I had this divine master plus psychic experiences

all the time. It wasn't till my first interview that I really understood or got confirmation from him that he was behind the Hard Rock. I will never forget when he said,

"You come in". I mean after fifteen years. I looked at the guy behind me as I was sure that Sai Baba must be talking to him, it can't be me. And it was quite wonderful, It

was me, he called me and terrified the day lights out of me of course by doing so, and he sat me right down in front of him, and there were ten or twelve people there and

he said, "Where is God?". And I said, "Well he's in my heart". He said, "No". He said ,"God is everywhere. Its like fish swimming through water. The water is above the

fish, around the fish, below and inside. You are fish swimming through God." This has been one of the most wonderful moments of my life

and I am sure for those that were in the room, because we are swimming through God at this very moment. He is everywhere and it's that consciousness which we are all trying

to reach, not just intellectually, but to completely

understand and merge with that consciousness. He then asked me, "How do you get to God?". I just missed the first question so I wasn't going to answer another one. So I sat

back and he asked another fellow, "How do you get to God?" and he said nothing. He asked, "How do you get to God ?" and then he turned to

me, and he asked me again, " How you get to God?" and I just sort of sat back and he winked at me and he said, "Love all, Serve all". It really is what its all about. There

is no doubt about it.

Its been fantastic to practice looking beyond the personality, to really see God in everyone that you meet. If you practice it, it's just like meditation, just like

singing bhajans, its a form of union with God.

The Spiritual Conference (1990)

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I was part of an organisation called the Global forum of Spiritual and parlimentary Leaders for Human Survival. It is a group out of the UN, that Swami had me working for.

We had quite a miraculous trip to Russia. Dalai lama is part of our Group and Mother Teresa. There was global broadcast of the whole thing. We were guest of Gorbachev and

of the supreme Soviet and of the Soviet academy of Sciences. It was opened by the Quare of the UN and it was filled with all kinds of fabulous speakers. Before I went, I

asked Swami's permission and he said "Yes, you Go". He said "You will speak there". Well I did not know, what that meant because I wasn't on the program at all. All these

other much more qualified people speaking there.

It was a fabulous conference. It went on for about a week. There were two thousand delegates from around the world. These were all the spiritual leaders from around the

world, all of the parliamentarians from around the

world. Senator Albert Gore spoke there, the prime minister of Norway, all kinds of wonderful

wonderful speakers. And Sai Baba in fact told me, he said "Now I don't want you running around doing what you usually do, trying to organise everybody, so I want you to

stay in your room and be ready to speak". The only way I could interpret this is that I would probably meet someone there at the conference and this is very important

because I think this is the way Sai wants us to speak to everyone, to wait and look and be available to let him speak through you to someone. So I went to my room and I

just sort of meditated and I didn't go out and scurry about like I usually do. The conference went on for a week. It was dynamic. Some of the greatest speakers in the world

and at the closing ceremonies, the head of the organisation came up to me and said, "We want you to speak, Isaac". So I was terrified like I am now and except for few

little notes, I just stood up in front of this massive group with a global audience. It was being transmitted by satellite and I asked Swami to speak through me and he gave

a miraculous speech, all about love. It was really funny. About a year later, I was blessed to be in His presence and there was some other

gentleman there and he spoke about the conference and told everybody about the conference and how he gave this discourse on love through me and how nervous I was at the

beginning, but better towards the end.

Building the Hospital

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I really want to tell you also about the hospital a little bit. I was very blessed that Sai Baba brought me forward. This Hospital is a model of how love and seva can give

first class medical care to the needy for free. For some reason, he decided to choose me, not only in the financing of this hospital, which was a great blessing in itself,

but also in the medical planning, the construction, design & so forth. He put me forth to do this work and it was extra ordinary.

Long back, I had told my staff and my folks, my brothers and sisters at the Hard Rock Cafe, in which there were some three or four thousand of us altogether around the

world, from the day that I started it back in 1971, that one day, this Hard Rock was going to serve mankind in some way. No one would ever believe me. I don't think I

believed it myself. One day, this incredible success that we had had, will somehow serve mankind. I used to say this on a monthly basis for many many years.

Swami brought someone, just in the nick of time, because I was near death and exhaustion from expanding my business all over the world. That someone offered me too

much money for purchasing the Hard Rock. And I considered it to be a sign from God and sold the Hard Rock Cafe. It was a public company, it was on the London Stock Exchange

and also the American Stock Exchange and after all, it was quite difficult to let it go, but after a lot of meditation I kept getting signs .... yes indeed, this is what I

want you to do. I had already set up a foundation called the "Rama Foundation" many years before and put half of my stock into that foundation. That foundation received the

benefits from half the sale of the Hard Rock Cafe which sold for a

miraculous hundred and eight (108) million dollars.

This reminds me of something else. There was a big chubby lady who came in one day to Swami and he was giving her a lecture about how to cook, and he gave her a whole

lesson on how to cook, and we sat there, how to boil water, how to do the rice, how to do everything. It went on and on and on and then he turned and he said, "Sai Baba

weighs a perfect one hundred and eight (108) pounds. I have always since the age of fourteen, I have weighed a hundred and eight pounds." which is, I think quite wonderful.

It's very important in numerology too. There is so much mystery in this world, so much more going on than what we are aware of.

At any rate I was blessed that Sai Baba chose me. I went to him and said, "Swami, I have this money...."

He said, "I know, I know, I know."

I said "So what do you want me to do with it ?"

He said, "We are going to build a hospital".

I said ,"Great"

I want to say one word about this Sai Baba and money business. Because everybody says that ,"Sai doesn't take any money". Sai needs nothing. He blessed me by allowing me to

give him some money. He didn't ask for

it. He arranged it. He knew I was coming fifteen life times ago for that moment. The Sathya Sai trust organisation and how it runs, is exactly the same way. He has opened

over two hundred schools around India, he has the university, the high school and many others which they (the trust) support. I've seen the account books in detail, how the

central trust works. It works on donations . It works on donations from wealthy Sai devotees who give anonymously to the Central Trust, and have been giving for years and

years and years. They would go to him and he would say, "We are going to build a school". Immediately someone comes from somewhere and says ,"Here is the money for it". He

says "great" or he'll say "no." I have seen him nine times out of ten refuse because he knows it isn't correct. Its a phenomenon that, for me as businessman, has been

incredible to watch and see how it works. It's something that no one should be frightened of or embarrassed by. I have seen people say, "Oh! you can't be spiritual and have

money." That's nonsense, you know, it's absolute nonsense. What you should't be is, completely worship money

and be involved in it.

I am getting little bit off the subject here. I got to the point where through meditation, I

reached a certain state of mind, where, I realised that I was detached from so many many things, starting with my daughter, who I gave to Sai, then my wife and material

things that I've never cared about particularly and I wrote to him and said, Swami, because you have also graced me with this ability to pull energy into my body through

meditation, do you want me to just go off into a cave somewhere and do this meditation ?” And he

said, "In another period of history that would have been correct", he said ,"but not now", he said ,"I want you in the world, I want you with these things, but I don't want

you to be attached to them, I want you to stand next to

them, but not be victimised by them. I want beacons of light in the world, the world must be purified in this age, this wonderful age that we are blessed to have been born

into.

The hospital was a blessing, particularly in many many many different ways. He asked me to organise the Rama foundation to organise the architecture of the hospital. I

was blessed to meet a Professor Keith Kirchlow ,

who teaches at the Royal College of Art in London, and Professor Kirchlow is the worlds leading sacred architect. He knows all the ancient geometry. He has written many

books. I cannot understand a single one of them but he is an absolute amazing amazing man and Sai Baba put us together. I brought Keith down to see Sai Baba, and Sai Baba

said, "Yes this is the man who will do this hospital". It was based on ancient geometry. It was unique to

watch the process of the hospital being built. “The first thing that happens,” Keith said , "We must cleanse the land before Swami comes out to do his pujas and so

forth..." And we asked Swami "Should we draw on the land itself, this ancient Mandala?" And Sai Baba said, "Yes, you draw the Mandala on the land." And Keith and I got into

a car and went out to the land, and as we were driving, Keith said, "You know, I have only done this for some Tibetan lamas up in Sikkim, who asked me to build a monastery

up there, and the Mandala doesn't work unless there is an eagle on the property or flying around overhead,” or something like that, because you got to do intonements and so

forth as well. When we got out to the land, there were five eagles sitting on the ground, right in the spot where we were to draw the Mandala. We drew this Mandala very

carefully on the land. The eagles literally just didn't even get up. They just stepped aside. It was quite a miraculous thing. Kirchlow is a wonderful man and a great

devotee of Sathya Sai Baba. The hospital was built before the medical planning was

even done. Swami wanted it this way. It was based on ancient numerology. It's quite fantastic. One hundred and eight (108) played a primary degree in the setting of the

land and the building and the dome. Thirty three (33) played a great deal into the geometry because of the

thirty three years that Christ was on the planet. The whole thing was formed first and then we had to put whatever we wanted inside. It's done in a totally different way.

It's a sacred temple of healing, and now having been there so many many times, it's quite miraculous, the feeling you get when you walk into the building. It's one of

extreme divinity, a quite fantastic place.

I was also blessed. Sai asked me to do the medical planning. We got in touch with the Hospital Corporation of America in Tenesse, which is the leading hospital corporation

in the world. They've built thousands of hospitals around the world. They did the medical planning for us. He brought in some of the brightest minds in India and other

countries. He would also take what the Hospital Corporation had done and tear it all to bits and start all over again and he made many many changes himself as he told me.

He said, "This is a prototype .... this is an absolute prototype." And I thought, "Well gosh, what does that mean, I haven't got a clue ?"

He sent me shortly afterwards to the World Health Organisation in Geneva. I went there and I met with a group of about twelve of their leading doctors there. When I put the

plans out for them, that it was going to be in Puttaparthi, that it was going to be free, they were outraged at the entire idea

of this hospital. They said it will never work. “It cannot work, we have been trying to create a model like this forever. How could you build a super specialty hospital

when we can't even

teach people in third world countries proper hygiene or how to get inoculations?” They tore me into little pieces, which is pretty hard to do, and I sat there calmly

listening to them, knowing that they were absolutely correct about what they were saying, except that this was Shri Sathya Sai Baba's hospital. There was a

doctor Singh, who was late to the meeting of these ten gentleman. Dr. Singh came just as they were taking the last bit of skin off my body and Dr. Singh just

took one look and said "Oh , Sai Baba's doing this...if anyone can make it happen, it will be Sai Baba."

I went to Sai Baba and said, "It will never work" (Laughter). He said, "Tigrett, just do your job".

In fact it's incredible, because Sai Baba does not give you faith. I am sure that we have all been through this many many times before. Its earned, it's something that's

part of the whole destruction of the ego process. Our ego wants to deny the existence of God. But I was amazed, even with my own doubts, to know, watch and see exactly how

he has performed the hospital. I say "performed" because it has been a performance and a half. First of all, there is no other specialty hospital in the world, in the third

world situation and for free. In fact there is none free, that I know of. As you know that, the hospital is on an hundred acre site. Its about forty buildings there. Its

not only the hospital. its all the backup

buildings. A whole village has been built. its in the process of being completed now, which will house three thousand five hundred staff and their families for that

hospital. It will be bigger than the ashram population.

I learnt a lot about the hospital business, in this type of situation. The Puttaparthi general hospital has been almost tripled in size. They have being seeing on

average, 350–400 people a day. In fact for every two or three thousand people that they see in the General Hospital, only one needs to go to the Super Speciality Hospital.

The Super Speciality Hospital is a hospital where they do heart transplants. Right now they are doing open-heart surgery. When I was there two months ago, they just

completed their 175th open-heart surgery, in devastating conditions there. The amazing thing was that all the laws of statistics said that someone should have died of

infection because its still a construction site. There is still dirt and dust and so forth. Not one patient has been lost. Its quite fantastic. The hospital is a four stage

project. On his birthday this year, they are going to open up the next wing of the hospital. Right at the moment the heart wing is operational. He wanted to start with the

heart, which is apropos of our Lord. The next will be the urology department and that will be followed by the other two departments over the next two years. In fact, they

want as a birthday gift to Swami, to have the urology department going. It will be headed by Dr. Bhat, who is the father of urology in India. If you ever get a chance to

speak to him, he is a wonderful amazing doctor, whom Swami has called there.

The wards are packed, 25% percent are children that have been operated on. They had holes in their hearts or whatever ailments. Its truly a prototype as Sathya Sai Baba

has said that it is. He told me it was a thousand year project. Thats very exciting. Its a wonderful thing, and I am sure in time, those who are qualified, will be given an

opportunity to serve in the Hospital. I know that he has just taken a gentleman from Chicago, he is now going to be the head of the blood bank and an Italian gentleman has

been chosen to help as the anaesthesiologist there. So its only a matter of time and karma.

I would like to talk just for a second about the attitude of giving money for the hospital. Its the attitude that is important to understand. I was blessed to have

money, that I wanted to give to Sai Baba and I didn't know how to do it. It was such a strange thing, the idea of giving Sai Baba something. The idea of wanting to give.

The idea of being attached to the giving and finally I realised that, this money that I was giving could not be accepted until it was given for all, who maybe don't have

the cash, who are needy. Its when I adopted this attitude that I approached him. This gift, which he blessed me in receiving, was given in the spirit that it was given for

all of us.

It was the same attitude, behind the symbol of this silver bowl which he gave me at the birthday. I was shocked. They came and woke me up at five o'clock in the

morning and said, "Sai Baba wants you to sit up on the podium there with him." and I did so with his command. I was very embarrassed to be sitting up there, and then

suddenly he brought out

this magnificent bowl, a huge thing, and presented it to me. And I realised as I was sitting there, that it was just a symbol. It represented his grace for the 2000 workers

who worked on this project 24 hours a day. It was a symbol of grace for the 200 draughtsmen, who drafted day and night to create this hospital. Everyone had told that it is

physically impossible to create this hospital. First of all it takes at least 1 year of planning and it will take at least 3 years to build. It was planned through his

grace in 6 weeks. It was built in one year. There were 2000 workers on the site 24 hours a day & I am happy to report that no on was hurt and the hospital is no short of a

miracle.

He announced, first of all, that he was going to do the hospital. Couple of weeks later he said, its going to open in a year from now, he announced this at his

birthday there. And we all said, "Oh my God, what we are going to do?". Not one of us on the project believed it could be done. We talk about being close to Baba and still

were having no faith but indeed it was done and its an amazing achievement and I look forward to all of you being able to go over there and certainly have a look at it. Its

a beautiful thing that Sai has created for everybody. Its amazing what he has done as he has predicted. That he was first going to build a model for education and he

announced this twenty years ago when he

inaugurated the university. He said, "I am going to set up a model for the Indian government, of what free education could be all about. This school that I am setting up

now will be the model.” With the opening of the hospital, the prime minister, Mr. Rao came, and he gave a speech. In that speech he said, "We are now accepting the

university as the model for the Indian government of how free education can be given to the masses." and I have met several of the teams that he has sent down subsequently,

to study what service and education could be. Now Sai has announced that this hospital will be a model to the world on how a hospital can run in a third world environment,

as we all know what Andhra Pradesh is, with fifty five million people just in the state of Andhra Pradesh alone. Let this hospital be a model of what free medical care to

the masses can be. I believe that thats what we are, Models. People say, "Why isn't everybody a Sai Baba devotee?" I don't know, what karma that we have done, to receive

this blessing, of being part of this small Sai family on the Earth. Of course Sai has many many other names and many other cultures. I believe that we are models, models we

must be as well, to the rest of the world. And its so important that we get over our failings as quickly and fast as we can, to become beacons for him.

When the Hospital opened, my dear father who is not a Sai Devotee came in. Sai Baba had so many distinguished people here, the president etc. I thought he would not

have chance to see my dad. But he called him in. My father put his arm around Baba and said, "Thankyou Mr. Baba, for taking such good care of my son." Sai Baba turned to

him and said, "Not your Son, my Son" and that is how he relates to all of you. This amazing power of Love.

He came out one day and said, "The Hospital is a 1000 year project", quite extraordinary. The Hospital is an example of the power of the avatar and the wonderful

things he can do. Once I had a wonderful interview with SaiBaba. He called me immediately in and said, "Tigrett, Have you seen the dome, you see it has 9 sides. I am going

to paint a picture of various gods on each side. I am going to paint a picture of various Gods on each side. Rama and Krishna and so forth. He said, I want to get your

photograph because I want to paint you on one side of the building and I said, "Swami, no Please. Why don't you paint a picture of Hanuman or whatever". He said, "But

Tigrett, you are a God and to me that's the only message that I can give to you that is of any relevance. You have to realise that you are all divine beings. You are not

the body, not the mind. It is not just an intellectual concept. It is the reality. The Avatar has told me".

Work with Mrs. Krystal & Meditation

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Sai Baba told me to move to California. He said, "You study with Phyllis Krystal." I knew Mrs. Krystal. I knew she had written several fabulous books. I knew that she was a

great yogini and had been developing various spiritual techniques of meditation . I questioned Sai on this, he said, "You go work with Mrs. Krystal". I have no great

talent, other than these messages that I receive on occasion and insights, so I thought well I would be doing

something about the books or make a tape or something like that will happen. As it turned out, Sai Baba had us in meditation together and we would go into sort of trance

state for 4-5 hours every day. It has been the most miraculous four years of my life because Sai Baba has shown me really who he is, and I asked him "Should I talk about

this ?" And he said, "Yes, yes, yes, you talk ". He said, "Not many will understand, but you talk". So I am going to talk about it and I don't know what the Sai society

will

feel about it, but I have been given my marching orders. Sai Baba is not that little furry haired creature that we all adore and love, that is a delusion. He has said that

many many times before, to be preoccupied with that form, you are deluding yourself. To know him in his true

form is to know him as everything everywhere everyone. One of the things I have practiced for many many years in my life, in my business, the payoff is fantastic, because I

don't see personalities, I see God in every face and I practice that, just like you practice meditation, you practice any of the spiritual exercises that can be given to

you. It is essential that you get out of the ego conscious state. Its important for you to realise who you

really are. You are not the mind. You are not the body. You are all divine beings. There is no self realisation that is given to you, you already have it. It is just the

matter of removing the veil -- the ego. It is there for the taking, it is available to you. I say this with conviction because over the last several years, Sai Baba has had

me, he has shown me the other dimensions on a daily basis. He has taken me into every level and plane I assume that one can go into. I am sure there are a few more he could

show me too. It may sound bizarre and strange to you, but you must become aware of the other dynamics that are happening and what Sai is really doing. It is all a matter of

your thoughts. You talk about ceilings on desires. I will give you a ceiling that you must be aware of and

that is your thoughts. The most powerful thing that you could do in this dimension is think. Every single thought is pure energy. That energy, like the laws of physics,

does not die, it collects on something that Sai Baba has given us the name "the astral plane." This is where the trash is, This is where the thoughts are, This is where all

the thought forms are. There is a dimension that we interact with and our thoughts are also on that dimensions. Lust, greed, anger, hatred have collected on these other

dimensions. It is the same as the positive thoughts, your worship, your love of God, and his many aspects, that is collected into positive thought

forms on the "etheric dimension" , as Sai Baba has asked us to call it. Sai Baba took Mrs. Krystal and I up to a level he called the "tapestry level" of which he showed us

the entire earth with the multi dimensions layered on top of one another. He showed us the thought form over the country of Russia, thoughts that had collected into this

massive massive beast really. It was like a big black cloud of tar with

lots of energy and lightening and so forth going on into it, it was a very violent thing. He made us approach it very quietly. He even cloaked us in something. He said ,

"This is the thought form that controls Russia." This was four

years ago. He said, "This thought form is made up of human thought of the fear of extreme punishment, that these people have been suppressed with this fear for a thousand

years." long before the Czars. He said, "This thought form must be destroyed." He said, "Only human beings can destroy these things because human beings created them with

their thoughts." He then called the divine beings and I can only tell you it is a blessing that he has shown me this amazing heavenly hosts on a number of occasions. One

came forward, brought some kind of sacred needles. He said, "This thing cannot be destroyed instantaneously. I am going to show you what to do." He takes us around this

thing which covers

the entire county of Russia and we poke holes and he says,"Right there", and we push a hole into this thing and then he takes us to another spot "right there". This took

about six hours of meditation although there is no concept of time on these other dimensions. We then went around this whole thing, I guess we put 150 - 200 holes in it.

Sai Baba said, "Now the energy will leak out of this thought form and as it does the people will be freed". That was four years ago. The point that I am trying to make to

you is that Sai Baba is God, he is dynamic, he is working on many many dimensions simultaneously. He is doing everything to bring in the new age. He has told me, "We must

destroy the negativity on the other dimensions as well as this one because we are so closely connected. It would be useless to clean up the planet without cleaning up the

other dimensions, because we are affected by these things". He is absolutely amazing. He is cleaning up all the dimensions at once. He is working everywhere. So incredible.

But he needs our help. Human beings and their thoughts created the mess that we are in today. We have all been

reincarnated into this glorious age where an Avatar walks among us, a full (Poona) Avatar. He needs our help. We are his beacons. I mean it is a blessing, all of us have

come in contact with this divine being, he is bringing us along, in most cases he is speeding up our karma. He needs our help. It is we who created these problems. God

cannot create negativity. It is impossible. He is pure love, divine love, not like human love. Human

love is contracting and grasping, divine love is expanding it is quite incredible. He has blessed me with showing me the feeling of that in a particular state of samadhi,

which he blessed me with for a short period of time. He said, "Tigrett, that is what the goal is!", just to sort of tantalise me, he gets a kick out of it too. But the

point being, don't think of Sai Baba as this marvellous marvellous incarnation that is down in Puttaparthi. He is here, he is in every one of you, he is waiting, he adores

you. It is so very very important. Again, I don't want to confuse anybody with the metaphysical aspects which Sai Baba has blessed me with.

He has taken me back to a past life. He's shown me that I was a (shaman) master in an ancient culture and had the ancient wisdom, and then my ego got involved. It was

so wonderful, I thought, well I would just fix everything. I will just do this and do that .... and I misused this knowledge and this power and in the process harmed many

many people. This life is an opportunity to make good that harm. Just as all of us are leading our own path, we have our own karma. Just know that he is with you, because

he is absolutely there just waiting for you, he

does not interfere with your free will, he will not do that. It is his own law, but he is there for you when you reach out for him. We are all truly blessed to be with him.

The work that I do with Mrs. Krystal is so fantastic. It is so wonderful and it is available to everybody. Sai Baba has called this work, "New knowledge for a new

age." There are two books that Swami has now written through her, two more books which will be coming out

shortly, the proceeds all go to the Sathya Sai Trust. These books are dynamic, they will help you to

overcome fear, anger, hatred, greed, lust. They are powerful symbols that Sai Baba has given to all of us. Mrs. Krystal, at the moment, in fact, is in Switzerland and she

is giving chats, talks there to huge groups. She has gone to South America just in the past year, she has been to France and England, all at Sai baba's

request. I know that Sai has said, "There is no one special to me .... no one " because he does treat all of us equally. I can assure you that this is a special work. He

allowed this book to be the only non-Sai book to be distributed by the Sai centre and soon to be distributed at the ashram. I am constantly asking him about this work and

he is constantly affirming, "Yes, this is new knowledge for a new age. it is my gift." So many of us have personality problems, of fears, of difficulties. The meditations

is what this book is about. It is not to be read. It is to be practised. The meditations given in this book, can solve so many of your problems, can alleviate fear and

anger and the things so many of us fall victim to, so I again cannot say enough about meditation. It is the most important part, to get in contact with your true nature.

Again, you are not the mind, you are not the body, you are divine beings. You have to put something in your daily life to contact the true personality, just like someone

may build their body up by doing exercise, there are spiritual exercises that bring

your true personality to the forefront and meditation is so very very important for all of us and communion with one another, it is so exciting for me. I have never

belonged to a Sai centre. I never stay in one place long enough to enjoy this sort of communion. The fact that you're all here together, enjoying this wonderful, fabulous

place, it is so fantastic. I know you will take this energy that Sai Baba has brought together today and take it back into your neighbourhoods, wherever you are.

Through meditation, I had reached a stage where once I felt, I should be a Sanyasi & leave my business, but he gave me a clue. He said, I want you to be in world.

When I was thinking, about this, there was a tap on my shoulder, He said, "Help Ever, Hurt Never". I thought, "O my God, He wants me to go back in the world". I was

doubting about this and then there was another tap on the shoulder, "Tigrett Help ever, Hurt never". So I knew that he wants me back in the world.

The only way to refer to him from inside, is through meditation. Meditation is where all the action is. Just as you have physical excericse for the body, you should

have spiritual excercise to put you in contact with your true nature. There is a viel between your true personality and your sensation. The only way you can pierce the viel

is through meditation.

Funny Incidents

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Sai Baba if he was not a Godman would be a comedian, because he is absolutley hilarious, all the time.

I want to tell you one story that always tickles me. There was a group that had come to see him, a Westerner group and they had an interview with Sai Baba. One fellow

was from California and had sort of a Navajo ring with a blue stone and a turquoise stone. Swami said ,"Can Swami have the ring?"

The guy said ,"Sure!" and there were about ten or fifteen people there. And he held the ring up and said, "What's this ?"

One guy said, "Swami, that it is a Navajo ring made by Indians in Arizona I believe and has a turquoise stone.” Baba said, "Very good". He asked next person "What is

this?". He said, "Swami, that's a silver ring with a blue stone". Baba said, "Very good". Like this the ring was passed all the way around the room and Baba asked everyone,

"What is this? What is this? What is this?" He then held it up and blew on the ring and it turned into a big gold ring with a ruby on the top. He then asked, "What is

this?". One guy said, "Swami, that's a big golden ring with a ruby on the top". Baba said, "Yes, very happy" and asked next person, "What is this ?". He said, “Swami, it's

a gold ring with a red stone"

Baba said, "Very good" and the ring was passed all the way around the room, and Baba asking very patiently as always, "What is this? What is this?" He then stood up in

front of the group and said, "Swami very powerful. Has the ability to change all the elements of the universe at will, but to change one of you Westerners, very difficult."

In the early days, he used to make fun of me every time, I used to come to him. When I used to come up to the Verandah, he would say, "O, look everybody, It's Ti-

Great, it's Ti-Great is here. But he calls me TIGER. He has told everybody that this is my Tiger and he is very dangerous and he has protected me from the politics of the

organisation and everything else.

I have a watch, very expensive. He took one look at it. He said, It is out of fashion, very cheap, not Good, not real. He made a watch of pure gold. It has a

Japanese name. It says Made in Switzerland in front and Made in India on the back. He said this was in fashion.

Learnings from Sai Baba

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Swami says "Practice ceiling on desires". Ceilings on desires is sort of funny because I have got all of them and there is no ceiling at all.

On one occasion, someone said to me, "You are really special." This upsets me a great deal because of a lesson Swami has given me over and over again. It is really the

problem that mankind has suffered from the beginning, and that's the feeling of being special. We are taught in today's world that we are supposed to be better than others.

The moment that we fall victim to feeling special we have lost the whole game completely. You know, a Christian says I am special. I am a Christian, I am better than a Jew

or a Hindu says, well I am special, I am better than a Parsi or a rich man says I am special, I am better than a poor person. This is the danger. It seems in today's world

we are so competitive with one another, wanting to beat the other guy out, wanting to be more powerful, have a stronger position. You see this typified at Sai Baba's

ashram, where everyone is trying to get closer to the King and they will do anything to get there. I just can't warn you enough about feeling special. Someone came up and

even offered me Sai Baba’s food that they had in the canteen. I was so upset. They even made me break in line to get my dinner. It's just a reminder to me. Thank Swami for

that reminder, that we are all Him. The only lesson that I have learnt, with great love, because I have had to deal with my little Hard

Rock family around the world is that, it's been fantastic to practice looking beyond the personality of the person, to really see God in everyone that you meet. If you

practice it, it's just like meditation and meditation is the way to God. I can't tell you enough, it's just like the Bhajans. It's a form of union with God.

Love is the electron in every atom. He said "Two or more people gather in my name & I am there". People are more interested in his miracles and not so much in his

teachings. It's a distraction, a delusion, not important and yet that is what everyone wants to believe, not his teachings. "Can I have a ring, Can I have an interview,

will you look at me" is what they ask.

Spirituality is one's own personal Journey to God and we all are on that journey, to the same place. It does not matter whether you follow Rama or Krishna or Allah or

Buddha. All religions teach exactly the same thing - Love, Peace, Truth, Non-violence. Everybody takes themselves so seriously, that they forget to love each other. The

great Masters like Jesus said, "Love others as you would Love Yourself". Very few people know how to do that.

People practice duality. They think God's over there and I am over here. It is incorrect. You say that you are devotees of the Lord and yet none of you listen to

anything he has to say. Sai Baba has been saying this since he was 15-16 years old. You are the formless, I am the formless, You are God, I am God, you are Prana energy, I

am Prana energy. If you want a mantra here it is, "I am God, I am God, I am God...", but everybody wants to believe that there is some being somewhere else, someone to

worship sitting in a chair, somewhere in Puttaparthi etc. This is a total mistake. You are all divine beings.

Everyday I sit (in Puttaparthi) and I watch everyone practicing duality, everyone looking for a glance, everyone looking for thier letter to be taken, everyone looking for

him to come near by, everybody practicing duality, because the mind body experience became overstimulated and suddenly we believed that God was over there and we are over

here. 'You are all Divine beings'- he has said this from the very beginning in every speech. And yet his Maya is frightening. His Maya almost demands that you fall into

this Quagmire of trying to understand whether you are god or not. It is part of the game, a part of the play.

The great Masters (Rama, Krishna, Jesus, Buddha) have come at the appropriate time, when God needed to be on this planet to do only one thing -- vibrate his energy, to

change the destiny of the planet, when the planet was of course, not quite correct. They come just to vibrate, not to have Devotees, Balvikas groups, Sai groups and all

these different things. Secondarily, they come as a blessing, when the larger plan is not correct. Sai Baba is part of a triple incarnation.

This is something called the Kali Yuga. There have been 3 yugas before this. This is supposed to be the darkest time that man has ever been in, right now, because of

communication, because of internet, because of this wild material world that we have created, we are totally subjected to this powerful mantra, which is part of the maya of

the world -- Fame, sex, power, money....Fame, sex, power, money. It is on our TV, our Radios, the magazines that we read. It has absolutely consumed us and all we do is

talk of what we see on TV, what we read, what we think. It is the darkest hour before the dawn.

20 years ago, a young man, whom I have known since I was 7 year old, Albert Gore, who became vice-president of US, who became my next door neighbour, I believed in him,

an amateur scientist and a fine, very sweet man. He wanted to do a study with all the amateur scientists like himself, about the biosphere situation. This is about 20 years

ago and he called me to his office building, after years of scientific study and contacting various people around the world and he showed me a slideshow for 3 hours because

he had access to Nasa and all the computer systems. He said the Biosphere is collapsing because of the population on the planet poisoning the underground water system due

to chemicals, Ozone hole, global warming etc. So because of what man has done, the biosphere is collapsing. So in fear I ran to my friend, my best friend, my only friend,

who has more humour, lightness and love -- Sai Baba. They come to help us, enlighten us, to guide us and they basically come to vibrate on the planet. So I ran to him and

said "Is it true? is it true?". He said, "Yes, it's true. God is allowing mankind to destroy the earth. Only when mankind is brought to it's knees, will it turn towards

God". I left that room in total and complete joy, because what that meant was that the Golden age which has been promised for 30,000 years is about to occur and there is no

greater time to be incarnated than right now. We will see the change come now.

The real leela of Baba is transformation. He changed you. He made you think differently. He brought out the bad out of you. He has a one on one relationship with you.

It is not a group relationship.

Last time, I was sitting with him inside. I said, I am trying to watch myself, every night I am doing what you told me to do. And he took his finger and put it right on

my chest as hard as he could and said, "Lakshmi is inside of you".

He gave me a Prayer -- Lord think through me, Lord feel through me, Lord speak through me, Lord act through me, Lord Love through me. I do this 20 times a day, when I

am at the Ashram.

He taught me Tree meditation. I am Sai Baba, so are you. Do not practice duality. It is a waste of time. He wants you to think positively. He wants you to do Seva. He

wants you to love your brothers and sisters. He wants you to read his words (which none of you do). Sai Baba has said over and over and over again, "All paths lead to the

same place." He just started the Shiva Rudram. Do you know what it talks about, God is in inanimate objects -- this piece of Board, this plastic and everything that you

see, God is in everything.

He just changed the end of the Aarti. Before the end of Aarti there was an expression which said, "Bless and bring prosperity to all the beings in the world." He just

changed that, "Bless and bring prosperity to all the beings in all the worlds. May all the beings in all the worlds" because there are multiple dimensions. There is much

more going about that what we know.

There is only one question to ask Shri Sathya Sai baba- Lord what can I do for you, not what you can do for me.

Our brothers in India travel for thousands of miles undergoing difficulty, just to be in the presence of his vibrations for a day or two, not wishing for an interview

or personal attention. Those who seek personal attention, probably need to do some more work than everybody else.

I was the black sheep of the Sai Organisation. Sai Baba does not approve of rock and roll, does not approve of a guy who sells meat and beer and all this. I got a lot

of abuse from a lot of people from the organisation. I knew, he was with me. It did not matter what I was doing as long as I was putting his teachings into my work. Those 5

principles (Satya, Dharma, Prema, Shanti, Ahimsa) are the weapons that you need in this life.

This is Kali Yuga, the darkest age man has ever been in. You are so drawn to the body, the mind, the senses, and there is nothing to support God's existence at this

time. I think our job as devotees is to be beacons of light for him.

Questions & Answers with Isaac

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Below is a series of Questions asked by Devotees to Isaac Tigrett and the answers given by him.

>> Question: When Baba asked you to get started on the hospital, did he give a sense of direction or did he just say, “work on the hospital?"

Answer: “When Sai Baba said to start the hospital, I think about forty of us ran off in every different direction there could possible be, not knowing which direction to go

in. It became obvious real quickly that only with his grace would we be able to come together and make it happen. I am a very strong hard headed character and Sai Baba sort

of put me in front of the entire Indian culture. I tried to bulldoze my way through. It's very interesting because I learnt a great lesson from it. He allowed me to go full

steam like a little steam engine, right up the middle as they say in football. And then one day he said, "Tigrett, I don't want you to talk anymore." I said,"Okay". Later

he explained to me. He said, "Look, from your background, the way you were raised, there was no harmony in your family, there was no family unit, you realised that the only

way you were going to get anything done in life was to go out and do it yourself. And you never had the teaching of what a family unit is all about.". He said, "This

hospital experience, for you personally, is a learning experience of how to work as a team. Everybody has their part to play." We would have meetings for hours and he would

say, "No..., little left...., no I want that there...., that should be green...., this should be red..., this should be twelve feet tall..., this should be six feet wide...

He knew exactly what every room and every

specification was going to be and he was actively involved with every aspect of building of that hospital. Just as he is actively involved with the running of the hospital

as well. I mean, the fact that nobody has died there defies medicine in general because it's a construction site and you cannot have an operating room with even a speck of

dust, because when you open the body, if a speck of dust or dirt gets in, you will have internal infection and you will die. I think the fact that he comes over there a

couple times a week, while these operations are going on,he visits the wards, he goes to the operating rooms, obviously his vibration is cleansing. So it is a divine

hospital.

>> Question: “Will you talk a little bit about the meditations that you do. How frequently?"

Answer: "I have been aware of other dimensions and other things going on. I didn't know if I could ever play a role in it. Obviously I now know

that we each can through meditation, learn a lot about other dynamics and it humbles you greatly when you realise that there are more dynamic things than yourself going on.

It all started four years ago. He asked me to work with Mrs. Phyllis Krystal. He brings us together for two or three weeks at a time. We meditate for about 4–5 hours a day.

We had these sessions and then after two or three weeks he gives us a break and I go off and do some business. She does her work and then he brings us back again.

This is the way it's been for four years. He asked us to record these journeys. We now have about four hundred hours on tape of these amazing journeys into other

dimensions. He has given many discourses explaining how things work sort of and it's so interesting. Most interesting of all, is that it's just like grass growing, it's so

simple, really really simple. The unknown always scares all of us, it's a natural phenomenon, but this work primarily means to me that he is working on many levels at once.

Every time you think, you put out energy. Every single thought is pure energy. Thought is more powerful even than action. That's why he says, "Watch your thoughts."

It's so very important because it's pure energy and it's powerful energy and it doesn't just dissipate somewhere. It gathers together, in what Sai Baba has called in our

work, "the astral plane", which is where our negative thought forms come together, just like the Russian experience which I told you about. All this negativity, this

negative fear that these Russians have had, it created a thought form, a living powerful beast really, that was still holding them and suppressing them and keeping them in

that particular place. The same thing happens with lust, greed, anger. Over the yugas, all of this has collected into huge dynamic form(s) and what happens is that when you

get angry, you get lustful, when you get hateful, when these thing occur, you are put up like a tuning fork. These thing(s) are made of human energy and they feed off human

energy. If you are not careful, you can cross a line of attraction to them and they will attach themselves to you, and when they do, then they will keep you in that frame

of mind. They will keep you lustful, they will keep you angry, they will keep you in this negative, this is their food. They are feeding off of you, as crazy as this may

sound. This is one of the purposes of Mrs. Krystal's book. It is to show you how to get away, protect yourself from these things. It's Sai Baba's book, not Mrs. Krystal's.

It's the most important work or word that I can give you really today of my experience in this life. You must watch your thoughts, it's so important. A lady came up to me

this afternoon and said, "I am so bloody angry, I am furious". I believe that she has contacted one of these anger thought forms and it has consumed her and it has control

over her. It is the way things are. Its very difficult to understand.

>>Question: How the thought form pattern over the United States is compared to the thought form pattern over Russia"

Answer: Well, you know, it's the Shiva energy (God's energy) that's at work right now. There has to be death to be birth. It's just like flowers dying in the winter time so

that there can be rebirth. It's just like our lifetimes. There is death and there is birth. It's part of the wheel. It is part of the whole process for a new age to begin

an old age has to be swept aside. Look what's happening to the planet right now. The planet itself is being destroyed by mankind. The biosphere is in danger of collapsing,

totally collapsing. This awareness is slowly seeping in to not just America, or one country, but the whole world is becoming aware that we have fouled our own nest, and by

being so, they are connecting themselves to nature because they realise that nature and ourselves are one the same. We are a part of nature, nature is God, God is

everything. So suddenly we are tuning in to our higher nature through this awareness that the biosphere is collapsing around our heads. I worked with the environmental

groups, in fact I started an environmental group in the UK and got very much into it after I sold my business and became very concerned. I have spent a lot of time with

NASA and several other organisations and was part of the global forum. The scientific community of the leading scientists around the world, it was headed by Carl Sagan, the

famous scientist. At the Moscow conference, all they could say was that we are doomed. I got so concerned that I went to Sai Baba and asked him, "What's going to happen to

the biosphere ?" And he said to me, "God is allowing mankind to destroy the Earth, only when man is brought to his knees will he turn toward God." It's the same thing

that's happening to all the oppressed nations that have been around the world. Look what has happened. Who would have believed that he would have broken up Russia and

Eastern Europe and some of the South American governments and some of these oppressive countries. I mean, in a short period of time, look what he has done to the world

economy. We are all marching in the wrong direction. We think materialism is going to bring happiness. so let's just stamp out materialism around the world. He has brought

the economy of the world almost to its knees. There has to be death to be birth. There is a new age upon us, a new age of consciousness. I think we are all blessed to be

here.

>> Question: We know so little about life after death. You said that Baba saved you when you swallowed your tongue? Could you expand on that. What exactly did it feel. what

did you experience?

Answer: Life after death, you mean life after delusion, don't you ?” I can only tell you, that as far as my personal experience was concerned, it's really two fold. I had

this experience. Not that I am an expert, but I had a small glimpse and I have had others through meditation. It was a state of total bliss. There are no five senses. You

are not bound to anything. I was in a state of pure bliss. Its like to be just as electricity, but it was totally peaceful. It was wonderful. I didn't really want to go

back. In fact if you recall, Mr. Cowan, who Baba brought back to life. I think there was a group that interviewed him at one time, "What's it like to return back to earth

?" He said it was like returning to a sewer. I don't really care about being in the etheric plane or this plane. I just like to be merged with Sai Baba permanently. I have

had visitations from my own brothers and I have constant visitations, in fact, from people on the other side. They are in a continuous state of learning. It's still a

learning process, but the action is down here (in our Human Conciousness). Everybody is waiting to get down here, because this is where you burn the karma off. This is

where the action is, in this dimension.

>> Question: I heard that you are incorporating these management practises given by Sai Baba, that you used in the Hard Rock Cafe. Is there some sort of book or lecture

series

Answer: And no I am not writing a book about it and I hope Swami doesn't ask me to but, what I am doing is practising. People say, "Hey! that guy is not a Sai devotee, he

runs a bar" Another devotee may say, "He's just a street sweeper, or this guy, he's just a carpenter. How can he do big things?" It's nonsense. It doesn't make any

difference what anyone does. It's how you do it. Work is worship, as long as you do it "dharmically", "right thinking", "right acting." I thought I had retired from a

business that just about ran me into the ground. Sai Baba now has me doing it again, and he has just blessed a project and I am opening something called the "House of

Blues", which is a series of rhythm and blues places, three of them will open very shortly, before the end of this year and I can't believe it, he has me doing it again.

But he has told me that it must be done "dharmically." "The Hard Rock was a high school, You passed, just barely, Tigrett", he said, "Now it's time to go to college." This

"House of Blues" is a celebration of African-American culture. I asked Swami, whether he actually WANTED ME TO DO THIS AND GET INVLOVED and demonstarting this culture and

he said, "Yes very much so". it is all about racial harmony. Swami said, he would bring great partners for me.

I don't have to learn a whole new scene but the point being is that now I am doing it totally different from the last time. The last time it was done with the heart

and probably less mind. It's so very important. And there is a meditation, in fact, there are two meditations I would like to give you today, because he has told me just

recently that he is everything, he is all action, he is the Kundalini power. The Kundalini power, the action of God, this incredible creative force, is like a freight

train. Unless it is balanced between the male and female aspects, it will run off into nothing. "This is what causes wars" he told me. Too much of the male thinking. It’s a

combination of the head and heart. It has to be balanced. All of us are out of balance, usually in one form or another. We all have a male and a female aspect, ying and the

yang. It's as ancient as the day is long and we have to be guarded at all times to balance this. There is a meditation which he gave to Mrs. Krystal and myself several

years ago. He has now reiterated that this is the most important meditation you can do. It's called the TREE MEDITATION. In fact, in many other cultures, in the mystical

side of other cultures, starting with Christianity, this meditation was a predominant one. It's very simple. I will give it to you very quickly.

You simply sit in a quiet spot. You imagine yourself as a Tree. You are sitting in a lotus position or whatever you can get as close to it, as a tree, your

favourite tree, maybe it's an oak tree. And then you imagine that above you, rising to the sky are the branches of that tree. Below you, going down into the Mother Earth is

the root system of that tree, which is the duplicate of the branches, really and then you must now pull in the energy. The branches in the sky represent the Male Father,

the roots in the Earth represent the Mother -- the Divine Mother and you must breath in this energy. First you imagine pulling in energy through the branch system into your

body and you exhale because when you pull in divine energy, It replaces something. This is a very important meditation, probably the most important for this age as well.

And as you exhale, you exhale all that is replaced, the unnecessary parts. Like this you pull in and you exhale. Once you feel that you have got that going, then you go to

the root system, this is the Divine Mother, this is the yin and you must pull in this energy from those root systems. This is starting to keep the balance going, you pull

in this energy, you exhale what is unnecessary, then you do both simultaneously. You pull in from both sides at once. If you practise this, you will be amazed at the actual

power that you will feel and the harmony within your own being. He told me that this is the most important meditation that you can do. There is one other, which I do and

have done since he gave it to me. I do it everyday. I don't know if it's of interest to you, but I feel I should tell it to you. I ask him for five things, he's just given

me a sixth recently. First I ask him to “think through me” and as I ask this, I breathe in. The breath (Pranayama) is

so powerful. I ask him to “think through me”. I ask him then to “feel through me”. Again this is the head and the heart once again. I ask him to “speak through me”. I ask

him to “feel through me”. I ask him to “act through me”. I ask him to “love through me”. This is the whole (ball) of wax really, because it's the yin and the yang, the head

and the heart, action and Loving. That's the divine aspect which covers the whole (ball of wax). He just recently asked me to add to that, “breath through me” so it's a

very very important meditation.

Those two meditations are something that I can give you today that has been meaningful to me in my life, and into hopefully getting a little bit further down the path,

though I can't confess getting very far. Those two meditations will help in every way.

Question >> When you breath out, do you breath out through the branches?"

Answer >> No, just breath out through your mouth” and what this is really is that, every energy that you bring

in from the divine source replaces something (all the negativity) in your body and that must be expelled. Imagine breathing out all the

negative unnecessary things. Very important, concentration is everything, and I know we all have trouble with concentration. We meditate here but when we go home, our mind

goes here and there, everywhere. Keep at it.

Question >> I would like to know at what point do we merge with the Lord?

Answer >> Well, I can't answer that for myself or anyone else, but certainly when you have reached a state of

consciousness. There have been many many souls that have, and there are many souls that he has said ,"This is your last life." I don't understand the true dynamics of

everything. I know that that's my goal. In fact, I sort of hope that this isn't my last life, because I would like to come back and help Prema Sai, If I can in any way.

>> Question: Is Baba really everywhere

>> Answer: There are devotees all over the world who had simultaneous experiences. Let me give you an example. A story. A friend of mine named Gary Bells. We went down to

Puttaparthi. Stayed 2 weeks there together and afer 2 weeks one night, this guy is pacing up and down, up and down and he is worried. He said, "I know he is a divine being,

I know he has immense power, I understand that but this omniscience business, my mind cannot comprehend, being everywhere all the time." I told him my 2 near death

experiences where Baba just appeared & saved me & he said my mind still cannot comprehend omniceisence.". This guy was so worried, he finally went to sleep. About 3 O Clock

in the morning, he wakes me up, "Isaac, Isaac, you got to believe this, I just got a dream, It was like a reality. Sai Baba came. My Mother and father sitting in a chair

here. Here my wife and 2 children over here. He Materialised a garland and put it over me, He gave a whole lecture on enlightment, he said it was incredible, It was

amazing. I just had to tell you." I said, "Gary go back to sleep"

The very next morning we got up, we were in Darshan, Sai Baba came and said, "You two come in". We went inside, we sat at his feet. He turned to Gary Bells, my friend &

said, "Last night, you had a dream about me. Your mother & father were sitting on this side. Your childeren and wife were sitting on this side. I materialised a garland, I

gave you a lecture on enlightment, you got so excited and you woke up & you woke up Tigrett & told him.". Sai Baba further said "I know, I was there." demonstrating his

omniscience.

Question: Through meditation can we change disease

Answer >> A lot of it is simply Karma. He has told me that Cancer is Karmically related for instance. There are some diseases and problems that are not karmically related.

Those things I think, you can change but we are here to work out our Karma. I would be delighted if I was a crippled, as long as I understood why I was and I wanted to get

that over with and move forward.

Q: You had great success in business at an early age, what really brought you in the spiritual fold and kept you there?

A: That's an easy one. Sai baba doesn't want you to not be successfull. He doesn't want you to be unhappy, to live an austere life. I want you to be in the world but not

attached to the world. Put out the positive vibrations. Find the 5 Vedic values in your business and i did. I applied them to every single thing that I did. If a man came

into my Business with Bad vibrations, I let him go even if he was a genius, even if he could make lots of money for me. Use the 5 basic values as a litmus test for whatever

you do. If they don't pass, out they go.

I want to tell you something. Sai baba sent me to see my daughter in Dallas, in Texas here, some months ago. I said I dont want to go. You have given me this incredible

thing called peace of mind. I don't want to loose it and I will loose it if I go to the west, because there is nothing but insecurity there, there is nothing but the Maya

Machine there and I am weak man. Ask me to stay here with you for the rest of my Life. I will die here. But baba said, "You go" & I went & I became depressed and victimised

& lost this peace of mind that he had given me. I discovered that the only thing worth posessing is Peace of Mind. he gave it to me at Puttaparthi & I had it for a year and

a half & now it was gone. I was depressed, I was crying, I was deluded. I went back to Puttaparthi and I went back to my room, I refused to go to darshan & I was crying and

he enquired, "Where is Tigrett, tell Tigrett to come for darshan.". So I went very reluctantly and I said Swami, "Please give me back that peace of mind. Please give it

back, Please. Just one little bit of acknowledgment. I want to look up & I want you to look at me and just at that moment of acknowledgement, give me my peace of mind

back." I sat in the chair and I looked up, and he passed within a few feet as he does everyday and he didn't look at me. but he said, "Seek knowledge (of Non duality), not

acknowledgement", that's the whole thing. Everybody practices duality, God's over there and I am here, Ridiculous. We are all divine beings.

After the initial first visit, he did not speak to me for 15 Years. He would ignore me. Then I realised that he had given me a boon, because I had to discover the formless.

He wasn't going to let the form, get in the way of my evolution. So for those 15 years, I grew spiritually like a Monster. I understood the formless nature.

Q: How do you relate this to Baptist community.

A: That's very interesting. Organised religion is a very strange thing. There is no accountablility. It's all Politics and they politicise that the bible is the way to

worship God. I believe in Baptism, infact I come form the ancient Baptist family, which was so right wing. One day a minister got up and he said, "All the Hindus in the

world are going to burn in eternity for not following Christ. And all the men of Islam in the world are going to burn in eternity for not following Christ...and all the

Jews.. and even all the catholics...." and something in the tiny mind said, "The Lamb didn't say that". I left the church that day. Although I was a spiritual boy, I left.

And Sai Baba called me one day and said, "You are very angry with your family". I said "Yes, I am. They have not spoken to me for 30 years, because I follow you, I believe

in the universal God." He said, "You are wrong. They are seeking the same God, you are." That's the answer.

Question: How exactly do you do your meditation and what is your experience during culmination of the meditation?

Answer: About 4 or 5 years ago, when I retired, Sai Baba told me to move to california and told me to work with a lady named, Phyllis Crystal. Phyllis has written several

books on meditation and several techniques. I find them to be absolutely credible symbols.

Swami has blessed me. He asked me to speak about metaphysical things at a conference up in New York state. I did so and went back and he was pleased and told me to not speak about those matters again as it will confuse people too much. I had experiences that have been interdimensional and the exciting thing is that Sai Baba is working in

many different levels simultanoeusly. He is not just the form that he appears, but he working in various dynamic-dynamic ways.

The techniques that I use is, I go in meditation, I ask SaiBaba to think through me, to feel, speak, act, love through me. Balancing heart & mind is most important. One

of the meditations for balancing heart and mind is the Tree meditation.

There are many symbols created by Sai baba. They are great tools. If you read the book and you are in meditation using those symbols, they will guide & help you.

Sai Baba has said several times, that I have to break you to remake you and that is what he does. He has to put us in fire. He put us on fire during the hospital

project. Sai Baba has yelled at Michael Goldstien and me and that is not a pleasant experience.

Al Drucker