JK Again

3:20AM

Barry, not that thread. You already are participating in ten other threads. No need for you to repeat yourself in the thread I just started. Give all others and me! Room and time to explore...

Barry

Which thread? I get lost in a sea of threads.

Are you referring to the Umberto Eco quote on Narratives?

Barry

If you erased the Umberto Eco quote, then I don't understand why.

I gave an explanation in that thread. If you don't understand, please be specific and refer to my explanation what part you don't understand.

Barry

Barry

«No need for you to repeat yourself in the thread I just started.» ~JK A repeat??? That's not a repeat. It's been more than two years since I last quoted Umberto Eco in CCFB.

from that thread: :::meta facilitation of comments, threads::: If I promptly remove comments from this thread from others, it's just for now. This thread is different, as per outlined in the existing post and comment. I need time to add stuff here. Thanks for understanding. - Ok, if you don't want us to comment, why are you sharing this then? - Because reading. Read, reflect, compose any which draft comment you want, from one word to a couple of hundred. Just, wait with commenting. This is design synthesis, me thinking out loud, as transparent as I can muster, in order to both explain what is going on, eg with digital discourse as I see it, as well as a possible launch pad and departure point, eg away from the tyranny and ephemerality and terrible transience of the "stream". Thanks again for understanding and even more for holding space for all the years of fab stuff we've gathered together around in this digital place.

Barry

Barry

Barry

Barry

If you don't understand, that is perfectly ok. Just hold.

Barry

Barry

Hold until when? You've lost me. I'm not following whatever script you have in mind for this story about narratives.

You don't need to understand it all Barry. You just need to hold from adding comments to that thread. There's hundreds of other threads you can add comments to. What part of "hold" are you not understanding, hold with regards to that thread?

Barry

Barry

Which is ok.

Barry

Barry

I have a Null Mental Model of what you are thinking and doing.

That's also ok.

No, it's most emphatically not OK. It outrages me beyond words.

And, that is also ok.

No, it's most emphatically not OK. It compounds my outrage.

So don't believe it then? Are you imputing intent onto others, without asking them if that really is their intent?

I cannot believe it is your intent to elevate my cortisol levels, but that's what is happening.

Let me carefully rephrase that ... I cannot believe it is your intent to elevate my cortisol levels, but that's what is happening.

If you need to happen that inside yourself, happen it. Witness what is happening.

I wish to raise to your attention that your practice here is dangerously elevating my cortisol levels. Nor is this the first time. It is emerging as a recurring pattern, of which it appears you have neither awareness nor empathy.

To elaborate, it vexes and perplexes me why my conscientious participation in a graduate-level scholarly colloquium is being inexplicably and unilaterally curtailed.

This is a recurring "K-Line" (ref: Minsky's "Society of Mind") that has dogged me and a number of my peers for decades, including episodes in grad school at Stanford, some 45 years ago. So it's not just you, John. But it's a vexing and perplexing recurring experience.

This is what I'm reading right now. They're all great posts and what's even more important, great comment threads:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/conversationsthatmindandmatter/search/?query=Umberto%20Eco

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Of course, if time allows, I will throw in Hofstadter, Vonnegut and Bateson as well. It'll take me weeks. Worth it? I don't know yet. Will report back though, and I will keep you posted, should you want that.

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Yes. I also did that same search, as I was quite certain I had not brought up that Umberto Eco quote since my last sojourn in CCFB more than two years ago.

Truth is, you're adding great value to a whole bunch of threads in the Conversation Community. It's just, many of the others are complaining, in private fb chats. Which is obviously a bad thing for them to do. And, it puts me on the spot. My proactive response is exactly design synthesis - including this very chat thread right here.

I'd rather collaborate with you than compete, but you threw me for a loop.

There's five hundred people chiming in daily for a glimpse of the John Kellden freakshow. This gets to me at times.

Should I sell all the others off to medical science?

I object to the practice of having feedback meant for me sent to someone other than me. That's a crazy-making practice. And, as you no doubt recall, it precipitated an outrageous injustice and estrangement the last time it happened with Jennifer Grove and Stephanie Wellen Levine.

That was two years ago. Now is now. Me? Call me Herakleitos.

I'm still trying to apprehend what went awry two years ago. In Gregory Bateson terms, it amounts to an inexplicable Double Bind.

Have to sign off for now from this chat. I'll keep it though, should we need to return.

CCFB is clearly constructed and advertised as a graduate level colloquium in Systems Thinking, which happens to be the topic I studied in graduate school at Stanford. Why are there participants here who take exception to content squarely crafted within that topic?

I just need to know one thing, semi-related to this issue. Is Monica Anderson a participating member of CCFB? I ask because I've been reading that long article of hers on Intuition, and I have a few things to contribute on that topic. I've had that tab open for a few days now, as I attend to it and compose my thoughts, and I was planning on working on that this morning.

"Should I sell all the others off to medical science?" ~JK My diagnosis and prescription is that they need an injection of Systems Science. Seriously.

"That was two years ago. Now is now. Me? Call me Herakleitos." ~JK Everything old is new again. Every story told is reviewed again. Sometimes Ol' Man River dawdles along, barely moving, and sometimes it turns into a roaring flood. Yes, it's been a bit more than two years since the last scene in this recurring Flood Story. It took place in the second half of July, 2016. This is what happens when a member of the Colloquium says to any of us in CCFB, "I'd love to know what you think!"

Alas, I took her invitation at face value. My bad.

And yet, here was the first thought I shared with her, which she said she found interesting.

"Very interesting," she said. But, as it later emerged, that encouraging response from her was a disingenuous lie. I was the last one to find out her true (if long concealed) feelings about attending to my thoughts. Hence the experience of a crazy-making double bind.