02-02-2011, 01:50 AM
1. Comment On Pablo Neruda, the Spanish Poet and Nobel Laureate.
You may ask me why I do not
Sing about the beautiful
Flowers, rivers, volcanoes and
Mountains of my native land;
You come to the street and see the blood of
Children flowing through the streets.
From Third Residence On Earth.
(Slightly edited and recast in the true poetic
form to facilitate singing.)
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02-02-2011, 10:26 PM
2. How a heavy mass of old books can be dealt with.
Books which have been our long-time companions would certainly have imparted to us what they want to tell to this world and posterity. It is good to record the noteworthy things in them in good uniform-sized diaries, especially beautiful passages, burning sentences, immortal utterances, memorable remarks, etc, so that some one from the coming generation who accidentally stumbles upon our diaries would be tempted to read those books in original. That is what we can do to those immortal creations. No one will ever again go through those thumbed up volumes. So go ahead and burn them, give them a decent burial after preserving their real content. And keep the gems with you, which can be easily read while lying cozily. Feel relaxed to bear fewer burdens. Always remember to buy standard size, light weight paperbacks in future. I carry this out often.
02-02-2011, 10:34 PM
By reading a book, we get the experience of a writer who has gone through a full life. When we have gone through a hundred books, we have actually gone through the experiences of a hundred lives, which we otherwise can not do in our short life span. That is how reading books makes us wise and that is why literature is important.
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02-02-2011, 11:46 PM
3. The Lady of Shallot has other significances.
Tennyson wrote The Lady of Shallot at a time which marks a turn of his themes to man-lady relations. This poem marks the beginning of that phase.
The Lady, though cursed, was living a kind of somewhat contented and adjusted life in the island as is evident from the images daily passing across her mirror. Only scenes of a rustic and peaceful village life appear there. Then Sir. Lancelot passes through in his full majesty like a meteor trailing light moves across the sky. Tennyson is presenting the universal picture of a strong male personality passing like a storm through the innocent and peaceful mind of a girl, causing turbulence and reverberations, leading her to her final doom. The world literature is full of such characters and such actual personalities were not uncommon in the Victorian England too. The storm shook the Lady like a fallen and dead leaf and she can do nothing but follow the storm, go the way it went, to her doom. And when her snow-covered pale body passes through the waterfronts of Camelot, Sir. Lancelot only comments, what a beautiful face! He does not know the doom he caused. Such is the pride of man. And the Lady could not restrict and curtail her emotions at the rare sight of a passing magnificence. Such is the folly of instant love. When we view from an impartial angle, the Lady of Shallot, Sir. Lancelot and Tennyson are justified in their actions.
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02-03-2011, 05:36 PM
4. Turn to authors who are no more.
It is time for you to turn to authors who are no more. For the time being begin to read great story tellers, for they will build for you a very strong inner self which will deflect any blows. You have two problems. You have to grow conforming to an inborn pattern and at the same time adjust with and adapt to the existences of those of your same age. It is not the first time one of your age experiences this phenomenon. It is universal. Once you get out of school, this sour sap will become the sweetness of the fruit, something to remember. Those constantly surrounding you now are the representatives of the future society and in a way, the deciders of mankind's future. So acquaint with as many of them as possible, and be positive in building relations. Outside school, it is not as easy and reliable as you might think to make friendships for your future life. Certainly time-tested writers can help you, guide you and stimulate you to fair actions. Start from Dickens, Victor Hugo, and Tolstoy; go through Wells, Huxley, Russell and land in Tennyson, Pope, and Byron. Many more will come along on your way. It is not only their words, but their souls also that will be accompanying you. One day, I can see, you will be worshipped by those surrounding you now.
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02-03-2011, 09:34 PM
5. Will there be a loss of interest in Reading?
Books will survive and reading will not die as long as there are writers who can captivate and mesmerize readers. But it indeed is a fact that the number of writers who can make readers spell-bound and who can hold readers eager till the last page are dwindling. Those writers who know how to take-off do not know how to land and those who know how to land take-off awkwardly. Before going through one or two pages we learn that this writer has nothing to say and does not know how to say things. As one comes across more and more such books, his interest in reading dies, especially if he is young. If reading books seems to be rarer among people, it is due to bad authorship. It is true that more and more books are being printed nowadays. And it is equally true that lesser and lesser books are being read though being purchased. Though books are not for decoration, nothing more decorates a home than books. Because a writer is contemporary, his books needn't necessarily mean liked and popular. Books written by Robert Ludlum, Robin Cook, Frederich Forsyth, Alistaire Mac Lean, Arthur Hailey, Sidney Sheldon, Jeffrey Archer, Michael Chrichton and Mario Puzo are sold in hundred thousands, because they have a thrilling story to tell. But many famous and fast selling authors are just boosted up who are the responsible for so many loathing reading. People like to think that if it is a printed book, it would be good and interesting to read. But when disappointed a number of times, the flame of his interest in reading dies out. Television, Video and Internet are not at all responsible for the dying out of reading, because they cannot be carried with some one like a book, opened anytime one pleases and read lying anywhere, even under a shaded tree. Paperbacks were what revolutionized the habit of reading, and the invention of India Paper by the Oxford University Press Manager. Not because they became cheap, but because they became easy and light to be carried. Hard cover editions have the risk of slipping from our hands and dilapidating our chest cavity if we try to read them lying somewhere. Change in book sizes to the larger also affected reading habits adversely. The universally liked and appreciated Demy 1/8 is disappearing, which suits the economy of the printers and publishers alone, not the taste and flavour of the universal reading public. To retain and rekindle the interest in reading, it is good to seek books by the time-tested old authors. Since their books stood the severe test of time, they would be good anyway. And they are many fortunately.
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02-03-2011, 10:32 PM
6. Colonial and Post-Colonial India Novels and other such useful Books.
The novels Coolie and Untouchables will most suit your purpose.
Since you are interested in the colonial and post-colonial India novels and other useful books, it would be good for you to go through the following authors and books of those times.
A Passage To India, E.M.Forster. Novel.
The Wonder That Was India, E.L.Basham.
Autobiography Of An Unknown Indian, Nirad C.Chowdhury.
Bankim Chandra Chatterji's novel Ananda Madtam.
R.K.Narayan's novels set in the imaginary town of Malgudi just like Thomas Hardy's Wessex: Swami And Friends, Bachelor Of Arts, The Financial Expert, The Guide, Waiting For The Mahatma.
Mulk Raj Anand's novels: Coolie, Untouchable, The Woman And The Cow.
Raja Rao's novels: Kanthapura, The Serpent And The Rope, The Cat And Shakespeare.
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02-03-2011, 11:35 PM
7. Is the student negligent or ignorant, did he get a chance to learn?
A student normally is only a child, a human being on training. To live in this world and to face the world in the future, it is his duty to secure the best for him. Apart from the refinement, learnedness, willingness, sophistication and integrity of the teacher, of which the student will certainly know much more than anyone else, there is the question of whether learned minds will freely part with the knowledge they possess. If a child asks a question and a learned senior won't answer, then what is the use of knowledge? Every child knows that Literature Sites such as this one are where fine and trustworthy answers are got from and so he boldly asks his questions here. A boy is a man in miniature and he is only imitating what grown up people do, whether for an essay, exam or competition. He deserves the best just as any others. Moreover a question is usually asked to a whole class and the answers in most cases may and should vary. If a teacher assists all answers, then where is variety? It is not a secret that a continuously learning teacher also benefits from this opportunity for going through a variety of answers. In most cases, and it needn't be denied, a child persistently going after a teacher seeking help may get abused in many ways. In a child's perspective, Literature and other Answering Sites are therefore safer places to ask questions and seek help. There has been an anecdote about a teacher quoted by Dr. Johnson who would come to class and ask the children the Latin word for Candle. No one will answer and everyone will get mercilessly beaten, because the teacher had never taught in the class the Latin word for Candle. The negligent may be punished and the ignorant taught. It would be interesting to enquire into whether the subjects asked here and elsewhere by students were ever taught in their classes at least once by their teachers.
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02-17-2011, 10:22 PM
8. Reliable way to master English as a foreign language.
The only real solution to tame English as a foreign language is to read English Literature extensively, as kiki1982 advised. You at least know all the letters. Even if you know it or not, you certainly will be knowing at least 5000 words in English. A vocabulary of 3000 word strong is enough to go through good, interesting English books. As you go on, more and more words will become known to you. Remember that reading a good English book is like speaking with and listening to an author in English. You will be automatically absorbing words into your memory. They will remain ready at your tongue-tip and your finger-tip to be used any time in conversations and writing. The only thing that troubles will be finding the good things to read. It is good in another way also. We will be learning the perfect text-book language. Writers are the most well-versed and refined in the use of a language. Therefore we will be learning a very learned, refined, polished and sophisticated version of the language too. After good fiction and other kinds of prose, poetry written in perfect rhyme and metre can be attempted. Always begin from the far dead poets. Their works have survived till now, so it is evident that they have something good and interesting to part with. This contributor is an Oriental whose native-tongue is not English.
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02-17-2011, 11:20 PM
9. Where is sexuality to be found in Pride And Prejudice?
Jane Austin's Pride And Prejudice is the classic example of puritan emotional affection. There is not even a trace of sexuality or even amorous sensuality to be found in the novel. Even then from the original request posed to the forum, it is evident that some teacher who set the subject wanted his or her students to explore for sexuality in this particular novel, which all who have read the novel know would be a futile attempt. Burdened with a misguided suggestion, a student who never read the book sought instant assistance in the forum, which proper or not, prompted her to never visit or use this site again. That was the real outcome of this talk. Why can't learned persons simply part with knowledge? And Pride And Prejudice is not at all considered to be containing social commentaries or criticism. In fact it and the author remained sterile to whatever was happening around. It is the only novel of its times and the author the only person of that era that remained moot as if such a thing as the French Revolution has had happened in the world.
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02-18-2011, 12:42 AM
10. Examples of how fine Administrators should behave towards Authors.
Communism was conceived as the highest and loftiest language of the human heart, but wherever this ideology acquired supreme power, hearts were crushed, lives ruined and the most abominable things done to human beings. The reason was simple-in the absence of free speech and criticism, it happened everywhere, in all ages, in all countries. Writers were not alone in their plight, imprisonment, suffering and execution. Scientists, artists, political opponents and party rebels- all were persecuted. The only difference with the Russian Communists was that they thought they were also the only ideological deputies to save the world. Today we definitely know why those people were persecuted, even authors respected by the whole world. It is very hard not to be polluted and corrupted by authority, whether it is Communism or any other Ism. Their great leaders when viewed at close-quarters were none other than persecutors and perverts in many ways. As Mao's personal doctor revealed, he compulsorily insisted several child girls sent to him each night. Is this how Communism protects each and every citizen? Is this what Karl Marx stormed his head 32 years in the British Museum for? The moment the red flag was hoisted above Kremlin, their carnivorous pleasures began. So they feared everyone, including authors. They could not simply help it. That is why we simply see this ideology and its empires being thrown out of this world. Mankind is confident human heart will invent yet another lofty language.
The real question is, are there fine examples of how Administrators should behave towards Authors and Artists? After the Second World War, Jean Paul Sartre was the person who told the world youth who stood stuck and still what to do next in this destructed and ruined world, knowing not what to do next and where to go. 'Life is the sum total of all your actions from morning till night, so act'. Sartre was the ultimate in human freedom and Degaule the last word in Administrative Orthodoxy and Kindness. He ordered the French Surete shall not arrest or even touch the traffic-rules-disobeying Sartre on the Paris roads. This is what a citizen expects from an Administrator, whatever be the ruling Ism. What can not comprehend this will be ultimately thrown out of this world because that is what is the world's will and might. The intelligent and aggressive China also knows this. India's most famous Author and Administrator Jawaharlal Nehru once told the most pungent and acerbic cartoonist of his times: “Shankar, please do not spare me".
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02-27-2011, 07:16 PM
11. Poetry moves minds, thereby moving societies and nations.
The question does poetry make anything happen, why and how, is a very good and relevant one. One of the chief objectives of poetry is to elevate human mind. It adds velocity to the otherwise inert mind. Mind at most times has only weight, and no velocity. We all know that weight into velocity is equal to momentum. An aero plane lying on the ground has weight. When the motors are started and the fuel is ignited, it gains velocity and moves forward according to the momentum it acquires. At a particular level of momentum it takes-off. It cannot simply help lying there. This is exactly what capable poetry does to human mind. Poetry imparts speed and momentum to human mind and the momentum gained thus make it take-off.
Poetry moves minds. Perhaps its moving powers are far greater than the actual individual and social experiences of a person, considering the fact that poetry also contains reasonable arguments, logic and philosophy to master a given situation in human life. Thus when poetry moves minds, it is actually moving societies and nations. It is an undeniable fact that the great literary epics whether it be the Ramayana, Mahabharatha, The Iliad, The Odyssey, The Divine Comedy, The Song Of Roland or The Beowulf formed and decided the national character of India, Greece, Italy, France or England. They were what in which their national heritage, culture and civilization were preserved for the posterities. And they are what generations still look up to for inspiration and guidance. That poetry makes nothing happen is a fallacy. Pablo Neruda's Canto General and The Third Residence On Earth have been a fountain head, source and reservoir of revolutionary inspiration for the whole world since its publication. Mayakovski's poems including Let The Rail Workers Awaken have been the most restricting force in Lenin's Russia. Premiere Lenin even said: I don't like this man, but his poem Those Who Hold Committees Daily tells well people's opinions about us committee-holders. This poem contained just two simple lines: Everyday committee, committee, and committee: Nothing happens, nothing happens, and nothing happens.
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03-02-2011, 12:07 AM
12. The Noble Man that was Sir. Philip Sidney.
Sir. Philip Sidney is considered one of the five Silver Poets of the Sixteenth Century, the others being Sir. Thomas Wyatt, Henry Howard- The Earl of Surrey, Sir. Walter Raleigh and Sir. John Davies. He indeed had a silver-tongued eloquence as is evidenced by his immortal creations Astrophel and Stella and Poems From Arcadia. His other songs and sonnets also reflect the same quality. A Shepherd's Tale from the Poems from Arcadia is a fine piece. In the poem Echo from the same collection, he even experimented with beautiful and maddening echo-endings to each line in the poem which is a very rare and exceptional achievement not only then but till now also. What exhilaration he created with this unique poetic technique can only be enjoyed by reading and singing this poem. A Tale For Husbands also is a very fine creation. Also this poem may give an insight into the poet's loving another man's wife. Really it was love from a respectable distance. Sidney's most biographers and criticizers failed in viewing him against the brilliant, violent background of his times. It was from mortal wounds he suffered from a battle with the Spaniards at Zutphen that he died after days of suffering at the very early age of Thirty two. He was a man of action, a scholar, a poet and a man of letters; a man of noble breeds and culture.
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03-02-2011, 11:18 PM
13. Memorable Characters with whom the world wept laughed and thought.
Memorable characters from literature can mean characters whose everything we remember vividly far after years and years of reading the book. There have been quite a few of such characters the whole world have wept with, heartily laughed with and profoundly thought with. The first to come to mind is Jesus Christ, the saviour of human soul. Even though a compilation, The Bible is a great literary creation full of many more memorable characters including Moses, Lazarus, Mary, Magdalene, Yohannan, Peter and of course Judas. Victor Hugo's Jean Val Jean was the first character the world properly wept with. And the world heartily laughed with Cervantes' Don Quixote and Sancha Panza. Elizabeth and Darcy were whom the world once wanted to be. Brahm Stoker's Count of Dracula still haunts the world. Raskol Nikoff's inner sufferings still crushes the heart. Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes is a universal thrill. Charles Dickens' portrayal of his characters was like making a full-length film. Oliver Twist and Faggin and Bumble and Bill Sikes will never go from this world. The most playful character the world saw was Mahabharatha's Krishna. Odysseus and Hercules stand like lone pillars erected against time by Homer. And The Vicar of Wakefield, The Mayor of Castor bridge, The Count of Montichristo, The Hunchback of Notre dam, Ivan Illyicch and Silas Marner will always be with us.
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04-03-2011, 02:42 AM
14. Poetry is the spontaneous outflow of emotions evolving from close observations.
Poetry is the spontaneous outflow of emotions evolving from close observations of things or feelings. It is only that observations should be close. If we feel when going through a piece of writing that there is no observation of things or feelings, or if the observations are not close, or still if there is no outflow of emotions, or even still if the outflow of emotions is not spontaneous but laboured, then we feel in our mind that that piece of writing is a bad one, whether it is categorized as poetry or not. To be something good, it should impart some feeling of goodness or even perfection. A continuous reader of poems will gradually come to distinguish between good and bad poems by himself, without anyone's help or guidance. That is the unique poetic appeal of a creation. Once written and in circulation, it speaks for itself, which we can listen to without the assistance of academicians. A good reader of poetry in his time will learn that there are no such things as bad poems, but bad thoughts and unfinished thoughts alone.
The prime function of poetry is to elevate human mind. If a poem does not raise the reader's mind at least an inch above ground, it does not deserve to be considered as a poem. It shall not even be considered a bad poem. Whatever is capable of elevating human mind will consequently add momentum to it too. That is how poems help mind take-off and land and refine it. Elevating human mind is a characteristic of poetry and if this character is absent in a piece of writing, it is not poetry at all. Not all verbal utterances written strictly within the parameters of poetical rhyme and meter are poems. And often many poetical expressions of musical thought with no rhyme and meter are perfect poems.
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04-22-2011, 12:27 AM
15. As precise and simple as an engineer's drawing.
Following the link provided by Yes No, I read Louise Gluck's one poem Celestial Music which did not appeal to me as well, due to lack of true poetical form and charm. I was coming across this author for the first time. Shortstoryfan was not missing something very obvious to other readers when he doubted the relevance of qualifying her poems in her biography as technically precise. But one thing certainly has to be admitted. They are as precise and simple as an engineer's drawing.
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04-25-2011, 02:43 AM
16. Emotions are the chief components of poems. Finish them before emotions dry up.
Emotions are what constitute poetry chiefly even though there are other essential components also. When the emotions from which those poems and lines sprang up dries up or fades, the essential component that constituted the poem also vanishes. So generally speaking, a poem is well made when the basic emotion which caused the poem is livid. A good and wise poet will make most use of that precious time by nearly or totally completing the poem then. But there are talents among poets who can rekindle at their will those original emotions and benefit from revisiting and internally editing them. But one question remains: How can the poet know his poem is complete? It is exactly like asking the question: When is the birth and growth of a child complete?
Like all others, the poet also is an appreciator and enjoyer of his poems. Only that he is the first appreciator. Appreciation and enjoyment of a poem becomes complete only when it can successfully and easily be sung. So long as the poet has not equipped and edited the poem enough to be sung easily by him and by others, the poem is not complete. He cannot skip and escape by saying that his poem is not one to be sung but one to be read, for why leave something unfinished for the disappointment of others and one's self.
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04-27-2011, 01:55 AM
17. On Not Answering The Telephone.
William Plomer has written a very fine article titled 'On Not Answering The Telephone.' He uses it very rarely and reluctantly and is eager to avoid it as much as possible. When he says he would not be available on the telephone, people ask him is it not very inconvenient, unbelievable and foolish. Some even consider him mad. Plomer does not think phone is essential since he can eat, breathe, sleep and play without it. It is a pest and time-waster that creates unnecessary anxiety, suspense and delay. Public Phone Booths are smoky, unventilated and with people cursing on your back for your taking too much of time.
Telephone is a nuisance since it rings while you are eating, sleeping or bathing. In his opinion, all telephone numbers are wrong numbers since it rings idiotically in the privacy of your home. Whatever news is there would reach you anyway. Good news nowadays seems to be travelling as fast as ill news. Truth will out any day. Saying Hello to a stranger on the line is unbearable to a reserved person, especially to an Englishman. Printing names in the Telephone Directory invites strangers and criminals to engage you in conversation. One needn't own a telephone to make an emergency call since it can be made from any Public Telephone Booth. One well known actor once said, if he was left alone to live on a desert island and allowed to take just one luxury with him, he would take the telephone being sure that it would never ring there and he would never have to answer it. Dislike of telephone is universal, in spite of its usefulness on certain occasions. Concluding his essay, Plomer humorously says that his business with the use of words is about to stop since he is wanted on the telephone.
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04-30-2011, 05:55 PM by Gogiska, the original poster of the Thread : School Topic.
Registered User. Join Date: April 2011. Posts:2.
Guys this is worth gold, THANK YOU so much, because I was so desperate with this school project, which has a deadline on the ninth of May... But again, thank you so much, I am definitely going to stay in this forum
But don't consider this Thread as done, I may need much more sources after I am done with analyzing these.
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04-30-2011, 02:40 AM
18. Once we complete reading the Republic without interruption, we become an Aristotle.
As Billl and Neely pointed out, Plato's Republic is the first book to begin a serious and leisurely study of Philosophy with. It is one of the greatest arguments and dialogues in this world. If one has not read it in his lifetime, it is as if a learner in ancient Greece had not schooled himself under Plato. The benefit is that by reading one book, two great masters i.e. Socrates and Plato come to our aid and guidance in our future life. Moreover, the other various characters who were the prominent citizens of Athens then also provide us with excellent insight. The book is a French Door serving as a door to the future political, economic, cultural, philosophical and aesthetic advancement of the world, as well as a window into the intellectual history of the world. Reading this classic is like arming oneself against the world. Once we complete the book, whether there be rain or hail or storm without interruption, we simply become an Aristotle.
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05-04-2011, 01:56 AM
19. Socrates considered himself as a satisfied pig.
If this question 'Socrates dissatisfied or a pig satisfied, which would you choose?' was asked to Aristotle, a prominent member of the Socratic School of Thought and the developer of Logic as a science, he certainly would have answered, 'Socrates was such satisfied with his life that in his later years he began to consider himself as a satisfied pig.' History shows that Socrates led long years of a happy life, unrestricted effectively by anybody. His death also was at his choice. He already had lived 86 years. His decision to die made him actually able to live through centuries. His trial provided him with as many opportunities for escape as one could imagine, but he wished to become a martyr so that he could further the advancement of his arguments and logic.
Socrates could have simply confessed, condemned his boy-lover, restrained himself from infuriating the sympathetic juries comprising of quite a number of his friends and students by provocative statements or acquiesced to his followers' plan to liberate him from the prison by force. Even though Plato, fearing reprisals for associating with Socrates ran away and lived for nearly twelve years in as far countries as India, there were no pursuit and reprisal. Plato in his later years and then Aristotle really enjoyed princely patronage. In Athens at that time, corrupting the young men of the city meant corrupting one single young man, the son of his chief accuser and his boy-lover, which was not uncommon in his times. So Aristotle no doubt would have emphasized his statement.
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05-21-2011, 10:59 PM
20. Inexperience and fame are the two that are responsible for bad writings.
William Wordsworth is a very good poet. But entering his poetry is like entering a dense forest with weeds and dead wood everywhere and fruit trees too scanty to be seen at a glance. He has written two or three dozen fine poems but they are inaccessible to the reader owing to the hundreds of inferior poems surrounding them. Had he written only a few, all of them good like Thomas Gray's, it would have been easier to appreciate him. So it is not unnatural for good writers to sire very bad writings. Suppose a person happens to come across and read only his inferior poems: he will begin to think that Wordsworth is a bad writer which in fact he is not. So there are not good writers and bad writers but only good writings and bad writings from a writer. Perhaps someday one of his good writing may come our way, or someday he may write a good piece of literature. All good writers who create much and publish them too without distinction will certainly leave behind a number of bad writings. A writer who is stamped as bad most often may come up with an immortal work which has happened. Inexperience and fame are the two things that are responsible for bad writings.
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