News Letter Number Nine

Society of Edgar Families

Melbourne, Australia

THE STUDY OF FAMILY HISTORY

[Abridged by I Trentham-Edgar, FSAG, from "Historical Genealogy" by J Horace-Round, MA LL.D – "Family Origins" 1930]

"The expansion and extension of genealogical studies is a very remarkable feature of our own time. There is nothing in those who try to trace their own pedigrees that need be stigmatised as vain or foolish; it is a very natural instinct, and appears to me to be one of the ways in which a general interest in national history may be expected to grow." [Stubbs]. "I cannot accept as a true student of genealogy one who cares for nothing but the pedigree of his own family. [Round].

The craze of pedigree making reached its height under Elizabeth. She set an example by a Tudor pedigree deduced from Adam. The great Cecil, Lord Burghley, was pedigree mad, and sought for the upstart Cecil's ancestors in all directions. Lord Chancellor Hatton was fitted with a pedigree, tracing has family to "Yvon", a Norman noble who came with the Conqueror, which was duly "seen and registered" by a notorious herald. In support of one of Burghley's ancestors, an old French document was actually forged; to support Hatton's, a whole galaxy of Charters and seals were produced. The pedigree-maker stuck at nothing, forging documents in Latin, Old English and French, which hoodwinked some officers of the College of Heralds.

By Charles the First's time the Doomsday Book was regularly providing, ready to hand, a Norman or Saxon patriarch, as preferred. Even after Charles had lost his head the quest went on. But the school of historical genealogy had already come to birth. While Selden was writing the "Baronage", Sir Robert Cotton forming his Collections, and Dodsworth working on the Pipe Rolls and transcribing monastic charters, there was an outburst in England as in France, of antiquarian research. In England the public records in the Tower were searched, private muniments were examined, registers of Wills ransacked.

We pass on to Collins, who wrote under George II, and whose genealogical peerage is important as the basis of the well-known "Burke's Peerage" industrious and well-qualified, this man crammed into his works much ludicrous genealogy. Thus began those wild stories in the pages of "Burke's Peerage" which have moved historians to contempt and scorn.

English genealogy had in a century fallen back into the old, bad, despicable groove until the official records of the heralds under their common seal were not received as evidence in any Court of Justice in the Kingdom. From the era of the Great Reform Bill [1832] we may distinguish the existence of two rival schools. On the one hand was that of the complaisant herald, typified by successive publications hearing the name of "Burke" and flooding the market with gorgeous pedigrees of new and old invention. The other, the critical and historical school, had a more limited public. Founded by John Gough Nichols with his valuable periodicals which came to an end with "The Herald and Genealogist" in 1878, its work was successfully carried on by such journals as "The Genealogist" and "The Ancestor". Examples of the best modern methods are numerous, among them being The Complete Peerage" especially the New Edition which, still in progress, has cost more than £100,000.

Many will, I know, sympathise with those who in the last century have placed genealogy on its present historical basis, the more so because the worked in the teeth of much discouragement. It is far easier to construct a spurious pedigree than to demolish the imposture. Only the expert knows the time and labour it may cost to detect the falsehood of a pedigree, especially if the compiler has been careful to conceal the fatal flaws by adducing no evidence, or none at least, that can be tested.

There are more ways than one of constructing for oneself a pedigree. To some "tradition" is a sufficient warrant for a vague but lengthy descent, although there is, perhaps, no "authority" so unworthy of credit. Indeed the so-called antiquary, or even of a member of the family itself at no remote period. Others, again, appear to be blissfully unaware of the need for evidence and for proof. To them one statement is just as good another.

In preparing the pedigrees of the Edgar families it is intended to follow the school of strict historical research. Every descent which we record must be capable of proof. In this connection I would say that for some of us there are, almost certainly, shocks in store. The traditional descent of the Edgars from the Scottish monarchs may have to be jettisoned. We are fortunate, perhaps, that before this Society came into existence not a great deal had been done to record Edgar pedigrees. We can set out with the highest ideals and if some of us cannot trace a very long descent we shall find consolation in the knowledge that what is set down about our families in the Society's files is fully capable of proof.

EDITORIAL

The Superintendent of Mails had advised us that registered mail addressed from the Society to our Patron, Mr JK Edgar, of Toronto, Canada, was aboard the RMS "Niagara" which struck a mine off the coast of New Zealand early in Jun. The package contained the very full genealogy of the family of Edgars, Lairds of Keithock which had been completed after eighteen months work on material collected from many sources, and especially from the records in the possession of our Patron, to whom the genealogy was being sent for correction and approval. The genealogy was in manuscript and no copy is available, so that the loss is a very serious one.

PRESERVATION OF FAMILY PAPERS

It is an unfortunate fact that the demand for waste paper for pulping consequent upon the appeal for economy in the use of paper by the nation's leaders, had led a few misguided people to consign to the mills much material which should be preserved for posterity. In this connection Mr GF James, MA of the University of Melbourne, who is editor of "Historical Studies" has addressed to the Honorary Secretary of the Society of Edgar Families an eloquent plea for the co-operation of all our Members in saving documents of historical interest so that those who come after us may not reproach this generation for the wilful destruction of irreplaceable material. Our President, the Hon WH Edgar, MLC, is taking a deep interest in moves which are being made in Melbourne to obtain government support for an Archives Office under the control of the Trustees of the Public Library of Victoria and has attended a meeting of those who favour special Government assistance in safeguarding the State's records.

Mr James writes: "I am very glad indeed that Mr WH Edgar has taken so much interest in the matter of an Archives Department for Victoria, and beg to assure you that the history department here [the University[ is doing everything it can, in co-operation with the Public Library and the Historical Society of Victoria, to ensure adequate provision being made to preserve the records of the State."

"I want to make an appeal, indeed, the strongest possible appeal, to the Society of Edgar Families, to make a thorough and systematic search for the private and family papers of its various members, no matter where they may now be. Diaries, memoranda, newspaper cuttings, letters, account books – without such materials much of Victoria's early history must fade into oblivion, and in this matter of preserving family papers, I feel that one concrete example is worth endless arguments and appeals. If only the various Edgar families would co-operate and deposit their papers, however few they may be, in individual cases, with the Public Library [of Victoria] – we would have a precedent to cite and to which we could point."

"Many families feel that private matters must remain private matters, but amid all the research that has gone on in England for years, I know of no instance in which this confidential material has been abused or in which valuable information has not been gained which could not have been procured by other means."

"Victoria, is only four generations old. Family descents can so readily be traced, and if only a real tradition of preserving and depositing private papers can be established, the writing of its history will be assured. But delay is dangerous. Family pride remains, but modern flats are fatal to the preservation of old letters – the big roll-top desk and spacious houses are disappearing, and amid the growing appeals for WASTE paper, many treasures are in jeopardy. I do not know what publicity the Society of Edgar Families has at its disposal, but I do beg and pray that it will co-operate in this urgent matter as quickly as possible."

Members of the Society resident in Victoria are asked to consider how they can assist in the preservation of the items mentioned by Mr James. The Honorary Secretary will gladly give any further information on the subject, which may be sought. Members are urged to oppose the destruction of old records of any kind and to advise the Public Library if they have knowledge of any contemplated "clearance" of documents by a local authority.

HISTORY OF THE EDGARS OF DUNDEE

Appended to this issue of the News Letter, will be found a detailed "History of the Edgar Family, formerly of Dundee", which is the result of about four years work by one of its members. the cost of publishing this genealogy has been entirely met by the subscriptions of those who belong to the family. A limited number of additional copies of the "History" are available from the Honorary Secretary, Box 1751, GPO, Melbourne, price 7/6 each.

In several cases members of the family have ordered copies on behalf of children not yet of age, in order that they shall not be deprived of this opportunity of securing a record, which is unlikely to be published again for many years. It is suggested that a full record of this kind would make worthwhile Christmas gifts among members of the family.

NEWS FROM PALESTINE

A member of the AIF in Palestine, Major CRV Edgar, [HS Coy, 2/2^nd Batt], writing to his brother, Mr GKR Edgar, of Caulfield, Victoria, told of the finding of the grave in Palestine of Sergeant Ronald Swan Edgar, 10^th Light Hose, who was killed at Zaza on 19^th April 1917. He enclosed a photograph of the grave and asked his brother to try to hand it to the dead soldier's next-of-kin. Mr GKR Edgar, after some difficulty, was able to give the photograph to Mr and Mrs John Thomas Edgar, formerly of Kadnook Station, Harrow, Victoria, the aged parents of Sergeant RS Edgar. Mrs Keith Nicholson and Mr OS Edgar, members of the Executive Council of this Society, are also children of Mr and Mrs Edgar, and are grandchildren of that fine old pastoral pioneer, David Edgar [1812-1894], who came from Moffat, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, in 1838, and who subsequently owned Pine Hills Station, Harrow.

Major CRV Edgar and his brothers, Major HG Edgar [Asst Chief Inspector of Munitions at Maribyrnong, Victoria], and Mr GKR Edgar, are sons of the late Mr Thomas Edgar, of Hawthorn, Victoria and grandsons of Alexander Edgar, who came to Victoria about 1852, from Gattonside, Melrose, Scotland, with Mr Thomas Chirnside. Alexander Edgar and his wife, Isabella Rutherford, died at Lismore, Victoria, leaving descendants, whose names are being recorded, by this Society.

MEETINGS OF THE WAR COMFORTS COMMITTEE

The War Comforts Committee met on 28^th August and 16^th Oct. It was resolved, at the earlier meeting, to make a further appeal to all our Members to forward to the approved depot – Messrs W Edgar and Co., Pty Ltd., 788 Swanston Street, Carlton N3, Victoria, articles such as sox, mufflers, balaclavas and cigarettes. Quite a number of gifts have already been acknowledged and some donations have been made, which have been used to purchase articles likely to be appreciated by our men overseas, The Committee is able to buy at wholesale rates, and anyone who prefers to send money should forward it direct to the Secretary of the Committee., Miss Margaret Edgar, Box 2630X, GPO, Melbourne. Parcels are to be made up and sent overseas at intervals, a separate notifications of despatch being mailed at the same time. Recipients will be requested to report the arrival of articles sent to them and also to state their special needs for the guidance of the Committee in the future. They will also be invited to correspond with members of the Society who volunteer to reply to letters.

If you can supply the full name and service address of any man serving overseas who is an Edgar, or the descendant of an Edgar, you are invited to notify Miss Edgar immediately. Miss Edgar would appreciate any suggestions which might assist the Committee in this worthwhile work.

The following names and addresses are gratefully acknowledged:

VX.20229 Hicks, EG Private, 7^th Divis, AASC No.2 Echelon HQ, Supply Column, AIF abroad

VX.31463 Edgar, Donald Hugh, Private, A. Coy Military Camp, Bendigo

VX.27018 Edgar, ALS, Private, 5^th Batt, @AA Reg, Troope E, Puckapunyal, Victoria

VX.14656 Edgar, Donald James, Warrant Officer, Aust Army Corps Ordnance, Attached 2/2 Pioneer Batt, Abroad

NX.3753 Edgar, Selwyn Kinmond, Sergeant, Unit HQ, Sigs, 6^th Aust Divis AIF, Abroad [England]

NX.140 Edgar, Cedric Rupert Vaughan, Major, HQ Coy, 2/2 Batt, AIF, Abroad [Middle East]

NX.35119 Edgar John Frederick, Lieutenant, 2/9 Field Regt, 8^th Divis, AIF Ingleburn, New South Wales

NX.14052 Edgar, Geoffrey Vernon, Gunner, 3^rd Battery, Anti Aircraft Regt, AIF Ingleburn, New South Wales

AIR FORCES

Edgar, Peter Malcolm, Leading Aircraftsman, No.1 Air Observor's Squadron, Cootamundra, New South Wales

Edgar, Hunter Falconer, RAAF, Laverton, Victoria

NEW MEMBERS

Edgar, Mrs Alvia Eunice, 7 Cabban Street, Mosman, New South Wales [Assoc]

Edgar, Allan Gordon, 10 Wells Road, Carrum, Victoria [Assoc]

Edgar-Owen, Mrs AH, 26 Church Road, Carrum, Victoria [Assoc]

Thomas, Charles OA, 709 Gregory Street, Ballarat, Victoria [Assoc]

Rudge, Mrs Frederick, "Greenwood" Wynward, Tasmania [Assoc]

Edgar, Miss Violet S, "Gyarran" Muswellbrook, New South Wales

Edgar, Miss Jessie M, "Wilbertree" Tarcoon, New South Wales

GENERAL NOTES

ADDITIONAL RECORDS: The Hon Secretary of the Society of Australian Genealogists, 91 Phillip Street, Sydney, has very kindly forwarded a collection of Edgar references in manuscript in order that copies might be made for our files. The collection is made up of notices of Edgars which appeared in "The Scotsman" newspaper [Scotland's leading journal] from about 1890-1916, and these include births, deaths, marriages, obituary notices, and Wills. There are also extracts from old Edinburgh municipal rolls. the references should prove useful to us in tracing different Edgar families.

OUTSTANDING QUESTIONNAIRES: It is customary to obtain from each new Member or Associate Member of this Society some particulars relating to his or her descent and family connections. This information is carefully recorded and in this way a fine series of family histories is being built up. If we have this information it is often possible to trace a family to its Scottish place of origin and to ascertain its connection with other Edgar families. Unfortunately, however, not all our members have responded to the usual request for genealogical information, which is generally most easily obtained by means of a questionnaire. Several of these questionnaires are at present outstanding and members are urged to return them to the Hon Secretary as soon as convenient. It is not possible in every case to supply all the information sought, but it is still suggested that they not be held aside for such a reason. The facilities for recording family history which our Society offers are worth taking advantage of. Assistance in the tracing of pedigrees can and will be always readily given.

OVERDUE SUBSCRIPTIONS: In future, members will receive notification of the expiration of their subscriptions. It is so easy to forget renewal dates that it has been thought desirable to give all our members official advice of due dates. Members can lighten the secretarial work considerably by remitting their subscriptions when notice of expiry has been given. Those, who, for any reason, desire to discontinue their membership, are asked to kindly give at least two clear month's notice to the Hon Secretary.

NOTICES IN THE NEWS LETTER: The Editor wishes to draw the attention of all Members to the fact that notices of birth, death and marriage may be inserted in the News Letter at any time, without charge. In this way family events can be conveniently recorded permanently. Articles or paragraphs for inclusion will also be welcomed and should be addressed care of Box 1751, GPO, Melbourne.

NOTABLE EDGARS

SIR JOHN WARE EDGAR KCIE CSI

Born 16^th September 1839; son of John Peard Edgar and Jane, daughter of B Gibbings, of Kensington, London. Educated privately. Joined the Bengal Civil Service in 1862. Was political officer with the Lushai Expedition 1871-72, for which he received a medal and clasp. Appointed Junior Secretary to the Government of Bengal, 1872. Financial and Chief Secretary to that Government from 1884 to 1891. Was an additional member of Council of the Viceroy and Governor-General, 1891-92. Resigned 1892. Created a Companion of the Order of the Star of India, and in 1889, was created a Knight Commander of the Indian Empire [KCIE]. Sir John Edgar, who was a keen historical student, with a special interest in subjects connected with modern Latin Christianity and Northern Buddhism, resided at the Villa Guicciardini, a Montughi, Florence, Italy, and died on 4^th June 1902.

HONOURABLE SIR JAMES DAVID EDGAR, KCMG, PC, MP, QC, DCL, FRSC

Speaker of the Canadian House of Commons, from August 1896; born at Hatley, Quebec, 10^th August 1841, son of James Edgar of Edinburgh, and Lennoxville, Quebec. Married second daughter of TG Ridout, of Toronto, in 1865. Educated at Lennoxville and Quebec. First elected for Monck, Province of Ontario, in 1872. Afterwards contested South Oxford, South Ontario and Centre Ontario, and sat for the riding of West Ontaio from 1884. Knighted 1898. Published several Canadian law works and numerous political pamphlets, and was also the author of "The White Stone Canoe", "This Canada of Ours and Other Poems", "Canada and its Capital". His recreations included golf, fishing and literary studies. Sir James Edgar was a member of the Toronto Club and the Ridean Club, Ottawa. He died 31^st July 1899.

"Who was Who" [1897-1916]

MRS ANN HART [NEE EDGAR]

Henry Hart, of Ravarnette House, Lisburn, co, Antrim, Ireland, married Ann, second daughter of John Edgar, of Ballybray. The eldest son of this marriage was Sir Robert Hart, First Baronet [created 1893], GCMG [created 1889], KCMC [created 1882], MA, LL.D; Inspector General of Customs in China, 1863-1908, and of Posts 1896-1908, who was born at Milltown, Co Armagh, on 20^th February 1835. Sir Robert Hart had a most distinguished consular career in the East and was the recipient of more than a score of high foreign decorations. He died on 20^th September 1911, having resided at 38 Cadogan Place, London, and was succeeded in the baronetcy by his only son, Sir Edgar Bruce Hart.

"Who was Who" [1897-1916]

HISTORY OF THE EDGAR FAMILY, FORMERLY OF DUNDEE, SCOTLAND

and of the

TRENTHAM-EDGAR FAMILY, OF MELBOURNE

SAMUEL EDGAR, son of John Edgar, farmer in Galloway, was born in the Scottish Lowlands, but settled in Dundee, Forfarshire. He married Margaret [born c.1810 in Perthshire; died 14 January 1881, at Hotham, County of Bourke, Victoria, and buried 17 Jan, following in grave No.742, M. Compartment, Presbyterian Section, Melbourne General Cemetery], daughter of David and Margaret Coupar, of Perthshire.

Samuel and Margaret Edgar, with their younger children emigrated to Tasmania by the ship "William Hammond" which they joined at Plymouth, on 30 September 1854. The vessel reached Hobart Town on Christmas Day, 1854. Only after two years the Edgar family, with the exception of John Coupar Edgar, went to Melbourne, Victoria. Samuel Edgar, who entered the coaching business, and was for a time associated with Messrs Cobb and Co. died at his home, 8 Martin Lane, Emerald Hill [as South Melbourne was then known] on 15 June 1872, and was buried, on the 16 June following, in grave No.301, M Compartment, Presbyterian Section, Melbourne General Cemetery.

Samuel and Margaret Edgar had issue, five sons:-

I WILLIAM, born 1 February 1830 at Dundee; died 17^th May 1846 at Dundee

II ANDREW LINDSAY, second son of Samuel Edgar, was born 23 September 1835, at Dundee. He served in the British Navy and was aboard HMS "Albion" during the Crimean War. He was with the Navy in the British West Indies before coming out to Melbourne in the ship "Oxus". On 23^rdOctober 1871, Mr Edgar received his Certificate [No.32] as a Master Mariner [Records of the Marine Board, Vic]. He subsequently engaged in the shipping trade on the North West Coast of Western Australia. Some years ago an article, published in "Smith's Weekly", put forward the claim that AL Edgar was the first man to discover gold in the famous "Golden Mile" of Western Australia [information supplied by Mr Keith Edgar, a grandson]. On 1 January 1878 AL Edgar obtained a lease [No. 374] of 100,000 acres of land for pastoral purposes, situated on the peninsular, of which the North West Cape in Western Australia is the extremity. The lease was for a term of two years and rent free. At that time it seems to have been the practice to grant short term leases as holding grounds, pending the final choice and granting of leases to applicants who would necessarily require some little time to locate and decide upon areas deemed suitable for their purposes. In addition to this property, Andrew Lindsay Edgar selected ten areas, each of 50,000 acres, in the Kimberley Division, as under:-

K726, K727; term 1 January 1882 - 31 December 1893.

K765, K766, K767, K768, K769, K770, K771, K772; term, 1 July 1882 to 31 January 1893.

Rental for each of the ten leases was 25 Pounds per annum and all were transferred to AL Edgar and Co., on 6 December 1882. On 8 June 1883 all the leases excepting K726 and K727 were transferred to CG & JW Lush. The remaining two passed to WJ Hill on 20 Nov, of the same year [Records of Department of Lands and Surveys, WA].

For a time during the 'eighties', A L Edgar was master of the vessel "Eclipse" on the run between Hastings and San Remo, in Western Port Bay, Victoria. He was afterwards engaged in the Pacific Island trade. On 24 June 1902, he addressed a proposal for the erection of a chocolate factory to the Colonial Secretary's Office, Suva, Fiji [Secretariat File

No. 2890/1902]. In the following year he was afflicted with spinal sclerosis, and died at Suva on 29 August 1903, and was buried on the same day in grave No. 2032 in Suva Cemetery [Church of England Section]. His age was wrongly recorded in the Register of death as being 81 years.

Andrew Lindsay Edgar, whose home, "Kimberley" in Albert Road, South Melbourne, still stands, married Eliza Helen McKillop [born 30 June --; died 2 April 1920], aged 85 years, at her home, 154 Albert Road, South Melbourne.

Andrew Lindsay and Eliza Helen Edgar had issue, besides a son who died in infancy, three sons and two daughters:-

1 Frederick William, born 6 March 1861. Commission agent and broker. He married on 9 December 1885, at South Melbourne, Elizabeth Mary Lomas, of Clarendon Street, South Melbourne, daughter of Samuel Charles and Sarah [England] Lomas, of Somerset, England. Mrs Edgar died on 13 Aug, 1933, at Heidelberg, Melbourne. Frederick William and Elizabeth Mary Edgar had issue, five sons and two daughters:-

A Bruce, born 11 April 1889, at Clarendon Street, South Melbourne; died in infancy, at Ascot Vale, Victoria.

B Roy, born 1 July 1892, at St Leonard's Road, Ascot Vale, Victoria. Engineer. He married on 18 August 1923, at Footscray, Louisa Wiggins [resides 134 Queensville Street, West Footscray, Victoria]. They have issue, a son:-

[1] Kenneth Bruce, born 25 April 1925, at Footscray.

C Wallace, born 17 January 1894, at St Leonard's Road, Ascot Vale. Had 3.5 years service in AIF, as a gunner, 1^st Division, 1^st DAC. Married on 18 July 1925, at Surrey Hills, Victoria, Mrs Laura Smith [nee Sanson]. There is no issue of the marriage [resides 43 Sterling Street, Footscray].

D Stuart, born 5 November 1896, at Albert Road, South Melbourne. Served AIF, 5^th Pioneer Battalion. Unmarried [resides in Sydney, NSW].

E Keith, born 7 April 1902, at Albert Road, South Melbourne. Builder. Unmarried [resides 9 Benson Street, Surrey Hills, Victoria].

A Edith, born 7 July 1886, at Clarendon Street, South Melbourne. Member of the Society of Edgar Families. Married on 7 July 1909, at Albert Park, Richard Alphonso Grayden [resides "Lakesyde", Ventnor, Phillip Island, Victoria]. They have issue, one son and five daughters:-

[1] Edgar Lomax Poynter, born 1 April 1920

[1] Edith Estelle, born 14 October 1910

[2] Nancy Joyce, born 5 April 1912

[3] Alberta Annie, born 7 January 1915

[4] Emma Lilian, born 8 October 1922

[5] Elizabeth Mary, born 2 December 1924

B Lilian May, born 15 May 1890, at Clarendon Street, South Melbourne. Book-keeper. Unmarried [resides 180 Orrong Road, Caulfield, Victoria].

2 Alfred Ernest, born 1865, at 10 Church Street, South Melbourne. Unmarried [resides in New Zealand].

3 James McKillop, born 1867, at 10 Church Street, South Melbourne; died at "Kimberley", Albert Road, South Melbourne, 18 January 1884.

1 Annie Margaret, born 1863, at 10 Church Street, South Melbourne. Married at "Kimberley", Albert Road, South Melbourne, on 8 May 1884, William Henderson [deceased]. She died in December 1884 at Park Street, South Melbourne.

2 Jane Coupar, born 5 June 1869, at 10 Church Street, South Melbourne. Married on 16 September 1891, at South Melbourne, Robert Lavers, of Prahran, Victoria. [He died 8 November 1908, at Albert Park]. Mrs Lavers resides at 163 Sussex Gardens, Hyde Park, London, WC2. Robert and Jane Coupar Lavers had issue, three daughters:-

A Louise Amelia, born 28 January 1893; died 14 December 1893, at South Melbourne

B Dorothy Jane, born 22 January 1894, at South Melbourne. Married firstly, on 9 August 1913, at St Silas' Church, Albert Park, Victoria, Francis William Chiffers [died 29 January 1919, as the result of war injuries]. They had issue:-

[1] Francis Ronald, born 1 December 1915, at Double Bay, NSW.

[1] Roberta Dorothy, born 10 October 1914, at Albert Park, Victoria.

Dorothy Jane Edgar [Mrs Chiffers] married secondly, on 12 October 1930, at St John's Church, Toorak, Victoria, James Allan [born 14 March 1892, at Leith, Scotland], son of James and Janet [nee Hay] Burgess. [Mrs JA Burgess is a Member of the Society of Edgar Families]. There is no issue of the marriage [resides 975 High Street, Armadale, Victoria].

C Grace Roberta, born 12 December 1899, at Albert Park. Miss "Gracie" Lavers was a notable figure on the musical comedy stage in Australia before her marriage on 19 February 1923, at Melbourne C of E Grammar School Chapel, to Jack Kingsbury Baillieu [born 1900], son of Arthur Sydney Baillieu, of Toorak, Victoria, by his wife, Ethel Ham. Mr Kingsbury Baillieu, who was a director of the firm of Baillieu Allard Pty Ltd, died at hishome, "Fenners", Grange Road, Toorak, on 21 April 1926, without issue. Grace Roberta Lavers [Mrs Baillieu] married secondly, on 10 October 1934, in London, England, Trevor Smith, Special foreign affairs correspondent in London, of "The Herald" newspaper, Melbourne [resides 163 Sussex Gardens, Hyde Park, London WC2]. They have issue:-

[1] Peter Kingsgate, born 3 February 1936, at Hampstead, London

III JOHN COUPAR, third son of Samuel Edgar, was born on 19 April 1838, at Dundee. He was educated for the Presbyterian ministry, but ill-health obliged him to relinquish his studies. He entered the office of a large Dundee shipping house as a clerk, but shortly afterwards accompanied his parents to Tasmania. He was employed as an accountant at Sorell, Tasmania, but in 1867 was persuaded by the Rev H I Poole, MA, of Corell, to enter the service of the Education Department. He was a most gifted teacher and was quickly promoted to the charge of various schools. Before his resignation on 2 October 1905, he had been responsible for education in the following schools:- Cressy, Westbury, Railton, Mangana, White Hills, Flowerdale and Blessington. He was also at Stanley and there had among his pupils Joseph Aloysius Lyons, who, later in life, became successively Premier or Tasmania and Prime Minister of Australia. John Coupar Edgar, who died at New Norfolk, Tasmania, on 22 August 1913, aged 75 years, married on 27 September 1862, at Sorell, Tasmania, Amelia Ann [born 21 September 1845, at Sorell; died 3 August 1935, at Bellerive Tasmania], daughter of Thomas Restell Crowder [1810-51], of Liverpool St., Hobart [see Appendix A].

John Coupar and Amelia Ann Edgar had issue, six sons and seven daughters:-

1 Allen Herbert, born 30 September 1863, at Sorell Tasmania, and baptized 7 Nov, following, at St George’s Church of England. Educated at his father’s schools and at Hutchin’s School, Hobart. Qualified pharmaceutical chemist. He married on 14 January 1883, at Stanley, Tasmania, Mary Kate [born 6 February 1864], eldest daughter of the late James George and Jane King, of Stanley. Allen Herbert Edgar is believed to have been killed in action while serving with an English regiment in the Great War. His widow carries on a farming property at Stanley. They had issue, three sons and four daughters:-

A Herbert James, born 4 March 1884. Staff, Victorian Railways. Married on 27 October 1909, at Zeehan, Tasmania, Mildred James. Resides 20 Howard St. [it may not be “Howard but rather another starting letter – the original has been typed over & is not clear], Murrumbeena, SE9, Vic. They have issue one son and three daughters:-

[1] Leslie, born 25 November 1916, at Albert Park, Vic

[1] Eunice, born 8 July [year unknown], at Benalla, Vic; deceased.

[2] Nancy, born 15 December 1922, at Benalla, Vic.

[3] Shirley, born 14 August 1930, at Albert Park, Vic

B Allan Gordon, born 14 July 1888, at Sorell, Tasmania. Dairy farmer. Member 364, Chelsea Masonic Lodge. Royal Wellington Lodge IOOF, Stanley, Tasmania. Chairman, Mechanics Hall Committee, Carrum, 1939-40; Vice-President, Carrum Bowling Club, 1936-40; Captain, Pennant Bowls Rink; Member, Society of Edgar Families. He married on 27 January 1916, at Abbotsford, Vic., Nellie Caldwell [born 1 March 1893, at Auburn, Vic], daughter of the late Robert Henry Parker, by his wife, Ellen Cailey Caldwell Shegog, of Brighton, Vic. Mrs Edgar is Vice-President, Carrum Girls’ Club, 1937-40; member, Mechanics Institute Hall Committee; a founder of the Carrum State School Mothers’ Club. Resides at 10 Wells Rd., Carrum, Vic. They have issue, one son and one daughter:-

[1] Henry Getty, born 10 April 1921, at Brighton, Victoria

[1] Nenlie Kate, born 18 December 1916, at Abbotsford, Vic. Head Prefect, Frankston High School, 1934-35; Secretary,Carrum Girls’ Club, 1938. School teacher, 1937-39. Member of Society pf Edgar Families. Married pm 30 September 1939, at Carrum,Vic., Alfred Herbert Owen, of Carrum. Resides 26 Church St., Carrum.

C Cyril King, born 1890, at Stanley, Tasmania; died aet 1.

A Olive Jane, twin of Herbert James, died 11 March 1885

B Violet Stanley, born 20 April 1887, at Burnie, Tasmania. Unmarried. Resides “Gyarran”, Muswellbrook, NSW.

C Jessie May, born 3 November 1889, at Stanley,Tasmania. Unmarried. Resides “Wilbertree”, Tarcoon, NSW

D Daisy Bromley, born 8 July 1893, at Stanley,Tasmania. Married pn 30 April 1914. at Stanley, Frederick [born 21 December 1885], son of the late George and Marion [Hedditch] Rudge. Resides “Greenwood”, Wynyard, Tasmania. They have issue one son and two daughters:-

[1] Peter Frederick, born 7 May 1927, at Wynyard, Tasmania.

[1] Bromley, born 30 April 1915, at Deloraine, Tasmania. She married on 15 June 1940, at Wynyard, Tasmania, Geoffrey Vernon Little. Resides “Brooklyn”, Burnie, Tasmania

[2] Nona Eleanor, born 4 August 1925, at Wynward, Tasmania.

2 Oliver John, born 13 August 1871, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania. Manager of a branch of the Commercial Bank of Tasmania [now ES&A Bank]. He married on 12 March 1901, at Melbourne, Alice Waldron, but died without issue, at Waverley, NSW, on 19 March 1935.

3 Bertram Kinmond, born 21 November 1875, at Cressy, Tasmania. Accountant. He served in the Boer War [St George’s Rifles], as a Corporal on Lord Roberts’ Staff, and was W/Officer 1^st Tunn Coy., 4^th Pioneers, AIF 1915-18. Accountant with the Naval Dept, Sydney. He married in January 1902, at Sydney, NSW, Alvia Eunice [born 5 September 1878], fourth child of Reverend Samuel Marsden Booth, of Mosman, Sydney [Rev S M Booth’s father, Joseph Booth, came to Australia with the Rev Samuel Marsden], by his wife, Emma, daughter of Charles Whalan, and granddaughter of Sergeant Charles Whalan, an early NSW pioneer [see Appendix B]. [Resides 7 Cabban St., Mosman]. They have issue, two sons and three daughters:-

A Geoffrey Vernon, born 3 June 1909, at Ripponlea, Vic. Joined clerical staff, Dodge Motor Co., Sydney. Served as a Gunner, 3^rdBattery, 1^st Anti Aircraft Brigade [Militia] before enlisting in AIF. Now NXi4052, 3^rd Battery, 2/1 Anti Aircraft Regt., AIF. He married on 12 June 1940, at St Clements C of E., Mosman, Mavis Eileen Murray.

B Selwyn Kinmond, born 18 May 1915, at Glenhuntly, Vic. Educated Mosman CEPS and C of E Grammar School, North Sydney [Shore]. Joined the firm of Elder Smith & Co., Sydney. Accountant; Freemason. Served two years as Staff Specialist, Bombadier, 107^thBattery, 7^th Field Brigade. Joined AIF, October 1939, 6^th Division Signals [NSW], A H Corps Signals. Now AIF, United Kingdom; rank Sergeant.

A Doris Muriel, born 25 September 1902 at Woollahra, NSW. She married on 3 November 1934, at St Clements, Mosman, John Nicholas Flint, second son of William and Amy [nee Higgins] Flint, of Forrest Hill, London, England. Mr Flint is CQMS, A. Company, 36^th Battalion [ST George’s Rifles], 8^th Brigade. On staff of Messrs Beard, Watson and Co., Ltd., Sydney. [Resides Cabban St., Mosman, NSW]. They have issue three sons:-

[1] John Marsden, born 15 December 1935, at Mosman

[2] David Warwick, born 1 August 1937, at Mosman

[3] Michael Adrian, born 18 May 1939, at Mosman

B Winifred Alvia, born 18 September 1904, at Mosman, NSW. She married on 28 September 1932, at St Clemet’s Church, Mosman, Frank Grenville Pursell, third son of Archibald Oxley Pursell, of Spit Road, Mosman. Mr Pursell is a director of Messrs A B Pursell and Sons Ltd., Insurance brokers, of Pitt St., Sydney, and has been twice elected Mayor of the City of Mosman, 1938-40. They have issue, one son and one daughter:-

[1] Garry Grenville, born 20 May 1935, at Mosman

[1] Jennifer Alvia, born 1 March 1937, at Mosman

C Nance Hazel May, born 14 July 1906, at Mosman, NSW. She married 6 January 1937, at St Clement’s Church, Mosman, Leslie Wilton Barber, MA of Bairnsdale, Vic, teaching staff, Education Department, NSW. [Resides 141 Jessie St., Armidale, NSW]. They have issue, a daughter:-

[1] Patricia Margaret, born 4 April 1940, at Armidale, NSW.

4 Edward Crowder, born 13 April 1877, at Cressy, Tasmania. Educated at his father’s schools and afterwards at Launceston. Freemason. Joined the firm of Dodgshun and Sons, in Tasmania and was transferred to Melbourne about 1898. Secretary, Chief Accountant and joint Auditor of the British Imperial Oil Co., Ltd. [Shell Co. of Australia]. In 1916 he resigned these positions to become Chief Accountant of the firm of Makower, McBeath and Co., Pty Ltd, Melbourne, and held that position until he was appointed by the State Cabinet on 7 May 1919, from among thirty-eight applicants, Chief Accountant of the Victorian Wheat Commission. He retained this position until the Commission had completed its work, and then became Chief Accountant of the firm of Weddel and Co., and subsequently of W Bennet and Co., Temple Court, Melbourne. From about 1926, Mr Edgar practiced as a Public Accountant, and was elected to the Boards of many private companies, such as Nitrolyte Pty Ltd and Lyon Textile Mills Pty Ltd. He specialized in company and taxation law, and was frequently called into consultation by the Taxation Department in intricate cases. His death took place in Melbourne, on 26 May 1940.

Edward Crowder Edgar married on 2 April 1910, at Christ Church, Geelong, Vic, Una Kate Rose [born 29 August 1883], at Hawthorn, Vic], only child of Edward Trentham [1850 – 1906], of Hawthorn and St Kilda, Vic, but formerly of Bank House, Worthen, Shropshire, England [see Appendix C], by his wife, Sarah Ann [Kate], eldest child of Charles Edwin Manning [1828 – 88], of London, and his first wife, Sarah Bakewell. [Mrs Charles Edwin Bakewell Manning was a great-grand-daughter of Louis Philippe Joseph, Prince of France, fifth Duc d’Orleans, 1747-93, and a grand-neice of Louis Philippe, sixth Duc d’Orleans, who, in 1830, succeeded to the Throne of France and was the last King of the French [see Appendix D, and Appendix E].

Edward Crowder Edgar and Una Kate Rose Edgar had issue, one son and one daughter:-

A Ian Trenthan [who, as heir-male of his grandfather, Edward Trentham, assumed by Deed Poll, the surname of Trenthan-Edgar in lieu of that of Edgar], born 3 September 1914, at 209 Dandenong Rd., Windsor, Vic. Educated at a private school, at Ivanhoe Grammar School, and at Camberwell Grammar School. Melbourne University Extension Course in English Literature and Journalism. Joined the clerical staff of the Vacuum Oil Co., Pty Ltd, Melbourne, 9 January 1933. Auditor. Has contributed articles to various Australian and English newspapers and journals – chiefly on historical subjects. Has been associated with Mr Alex Henderson of Melbourne in the publication of two volumes dealing with Australian pastoral history [“Early Pioneer Families of Victoria and Riverina” {1936} and “Henderson’s Australian Families” {1940}]. Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Kent accepted the dedication of the more recent volume, and the Right Hon. R G Menzies, P C, Prime Minister of Australia wrote a Foreword. Member of Shakespeare Fellowship [London], 1932-37. Has been since 1934 a member of the Society of Australian Genealogists, of which Society he was elected Fellow, 7 November 1939 [FSAG]. One of the three founders of the Society of Edgar Families, 24 February 1937, and has been Hon Secretary and Treasurer since foundation. Volunteered for service in the RANR [Anti Submarine Section], but was rejected as medically unfit. [Resides Warwick, 75a Fitzroy St., St Kilda, Melbourne]

A Ena Trentham, born 13 August 1915, at 209 Dandenong Rd., Windsor, Vic. She married on 9 September 1939, at St John’s Church of England, East Malvern, Melbourne, Robert Leslie Shackell [born 3 July 1907, at East Malvern], younger son of Robert Henry Shackell, FCIS [Eng], of 28 Manning Rd., East Malvern, by his wife Kassie Elizabeth [d. 17 March 1940], daughter of the Rev Nathaniel Bennett [1832-1923], a pioneer Methodist Minister in Tasmania and Victoria. Mr R L Shackell was educated at Melbourne C of E Grammar School, and is a member of the clerical staff of the Union Steamship Co., of NZ Ltd, Melbourne. Paymaster Sergeant, 4^th Division Signals, Militia Reserve. [Resides 39 Ashburton Rd., Glen Iris, Melbourne]. They have issue, a son:-

[1] Denis Leslie, born 8 August 1940, at Kent House, Manning Rd., East Malvern, Vic.

5 Eric Neil, born 29 January 1886, at Westbury,Tasmania. Clerk. He died, unmarried, at Perth WA, after a long illness.

6. Charles Falconer, born 24 April 1887, at Westbury, Tasmania. Educated at his father’s schools and at Launcestion. Freemason. Joined the clerical staff of Howard Smith Ltd. managing agents and shipowners, and was afterwards a partner in the firm of Hughes and Edgar, of 528 Collins St., Melbourne, customs and shipping agents. Was for some time in partnership with his brother E C Edgar, as a public accountant, and in 1928 accepted an appointment as Accountant, Tongah Compound Co., [NL] No. 2, Ampangan, Serambam, Negri Sembilan, FMS. Later he joined the clerical staff of John Danks and Son Pty Ltd, Melbourne. He married Jessie Farfer Lawrence, of Tasmania. They have issue, a son:-

A Hunter Falconer, born 25 December 1912, at Elwood, Vic Educated Brighton Grammar School. Entered Commonwealth Public Service; Officer in PMG’s Department, until transferred to Mercantile Marine Office, Melbourne. Served with Victorian-Scottish Regiment [Militia] until his enlistment in the RAAF, in 1940. Unmarried.

1 Amelia Coupar, born 14 April 1865, at Sorell, Tasmania. She married on 8 February 1894, at St John’s Church, Launceston, Robert Jones Thomas [born 3 February 1871, at Cae Cock, Newborough, Anglesey, Wales; died 12 September 1918, at Subiaco, WA], son of Thomas and Mary Thomas. Mrs Thomas, who is Member of the Society of Edgar Families, resides at 3 Harper St., Midland, WA. They had issue, two sons and one daughter:-

A Robert Edward Newborough, born 1 September 1900, at Zeehan, Tasmania. Accountant with George Wills and Co., Perth WA. He died on 6 October 1938. Married Lily Dorothy Helen, daughter of William Peter Tomlin. Mrs Thomas resides at 15 Brook St., Bassendean, WA. They had issue, three sons:-

[1] William Robert Douglas, born 8 November 1924

[2] George Owen, born 5 February 1928

[3] Allan Edgar, born 25 March 1930

B Charles Owen Anglesey, born 20 July 1904, at Zeehan, Tasmania. Metallurgical engineer. Assoc., Institute of Mining and Metallurgy, London, and Assoc.,of the Aust. Chem. Inst. He married on 31 December 1929, at Guildford, WA., Lorna Jean, daughter of Alfred Lockton Ockerby, of Sulphur Creek, Tasmania. Resides 709 Gregory St., Ballarat, Vic. They have issue two sons:-

[1] John Charles, born 27 February 1932, at Leonora, WA

[2] Brian Lockton, born 12 December 1933, at Leonora, WA

A Mary Amelia LLanddwyn, born 7 May 1908. She married Samuel Hancock, son of Samuel Hancock and Flencina Hancock. They have issue, two sons and two daughters:-

[1] Samuel Herbert, born 25 April 1929

[2] Leslie Robert, born 16 May 1920

[1] Shirley Agnes Margaret, born 13 May 1931

[2] Verna Amelia, born 26 May 1935. The sixth bearer of the name Amelia in the direct female line.

2 Margaret Barrie, born 22 June 1867, at Sorell, Tasmania. Entered service of the Tasmanian Department of Education, Assisted her husband as a teacher after her marriage on 30 December 1896, at Launceston, to William Ford. Mrs Ford is a Member of the Society of Edgar Families. Mr Ford was a prominent Tasmanian headmaster. He was appointed [16 April 1928] a Justice of the Peace for the Clarence District. Elected a town councilor for Bellerive, Tasmania, and a lay representative in the Anglican Synod of Tasmania. Mr Ford has several times represented his State in the interstate Bowls competitions. [Resides at Rozel, Bellerive]. No issue.

3 Jessie, born 13 May 1869, at Sorell, Tasmania. Died in 1895, unmarried.

4 Gertrude Lena, born 29 January 1873, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania. Died in 1892, unmarried.

5 Mable Edith, born 11 February 1880, at Stanley, Tasmania. Died in 1890, unmarried.

6 Thora Lefroy, born 1 August 1881, at Westbury, Tasmania. Held high credentials as a teacher in Tasmanian, Victorian and NSW infant schools, and was an accomplished pianist. Infant teacher at Redfern Public School, Sydney, until appointed to the charge of the School for English children at Hankow, China. Later, as a governess, traveled extensively and finally settled in Shanghai, China. Appointed Superintendent on staff of the Central Information Bureau of the Shanghai Telegraph Co. She died on 2 October 1931, as a result of injuries received in a street accident at Shanghai on 28 September 1931 [reported “North China Herald, 13 October 1931].

7 Ellen Clare, born 1882, at Westbury, Tasmania. Died 13 March 1883, aged six months.

IV THOMAS, fourth son of Samuel Edgar, was born on 5 August 1842, at Dundee, Scotland. He came to Australia with his parents. Staff of Fulton’s Engineering Foundry, Melbourne. Freemason. Member IOA Society. He married on 25 March 1869, at Presbyterian Church, Dorcas St., Emerald Hill, Vic, Betsy [died 19 July 1898, at 42 Victoria Ave., Albert Park; buried Melbourne General Cemetery], daughter of James Crighton, of Melbourne, formerly of Aberdeen, Scotland, by his wife, Catherine Mann, formerly of Dundee. Thomas Edgar died 16 June 1912, at Melbourne. Buried Melbourne General Cemetery. Thomas and Betsy Edgar had issue, three sons ad three daughters:-

1 James Crighton, born 15 November 1873, at South Melbourne. Died 10 April 1875, at South Melbourne

2 George William, born 4 August 1877, at South Melbourne. Grocer. Freemason; Member of AOF. He married on 1 Feb

1909, at Hawksburn, Vic, Emily Ann, daughter of Charles Clothier, by his wife, Emily Ann Davis. Mr Edgar is a member of the Society of Edgar Families. [Resides at Edensor Rd., St John’s Park, NSW]. No issue

3 Thomas, born25 August 1880, at South Melbourne. He was accidentally shot in a hunting accident at Melton, Vic., and died as a result of his injuries on 11 April 1898, at Melbourne. Unmarried.

1 Catherine Margaret, born 21 May 1870, at South Melbourne. She married on 18 July 1907, at Presbyterian Church, Fremantle, WA, Robert Dockhart. [Resides at 148 Page St., Middle Park, Vic.]. They had issue, one son and one daughter:-

A Keith Robert Edgar, born 10 October 1912, at Fremantle, WA

A Jean Isabelle, born 7 April 1910, at Perth WA. She married on 21 January 1932, at Middle Park,Vic., Alexander Poad. [Resides at 148 Page St., Middle Park, Vic]. They have issue one son and one daughter:-

[1] Douglas Alexander, born 21 November 1934

[2] Joan Elaine, born 19 December 1937

2 Alice Crighton, born 31 December 1872, at South Melbourne. She married on 10 January 1906, Chambre Thomas Edwards. [Resides at 16 Alphington St., Northcote, Vic]. Mrs Edwards died on 14 March 1913, without issue.

3 Betsy, born 24 July 1885, at South Melbourne. Died 5 August 1888, at South Melbourne.

V DAVID, born 8^th December 1844 at Dundee; died 1^st November 1846 at Dundee

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LINEAGE

CRINAN, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld [slain 1045AD], the descendant of [???], married Bethoe, daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scots, [1005-34], and by her had issue:-

I Duncan I, King of Scots [1034-40]

II Maldred, Prince of Scotland. He married Algetha, daughter of Ughtred [Saxon], Earl of Northumberland, by his wife, Elgiva, daughter of Ethelred II, King of England [978-1016]. They had issue, a son:-

1 COSPATRICK, Earl of Northumberland, father of

A COSPATRICK, created Earl of Dunbar [1115AD]. His son,

[1] COSPATRICK, 2^nd Earl of Dunbar, died 1147, and left issue:-

[a] Cospatrick, 3^rd Earl of Dunbar

[b] Edward

[c] Edgar, ancestor of those of the surname of Edgar *

[d] Ughtred, ancestor of the family of Knox, of Ranfurly.

* EDGAR, son of the second Earl of Dunbar, is stated to have been the progenitor of the Edgars, Lairds of Wedderlie, Berwickshire.

RICHARD EDGAR, a witness to the second marriage of Robert I, King of Scots [1306-29], married the eldest daughter of Robert de Rous, Lord of Sanquhar, in Nothsdale. Their youngest son,

DUNGAL, was ancestor of the Edgars of Galloway.

JOHN EDGAR, [c. 1790], farmer in Galloway, married Margaret Hender. They had issue, a son,

SAMUEL EDGAR, of whom we treat,

[Research which was being carried out in Great Britain with a view to determining the particular ancestor of John Edgar, farmer in Galloway, was discontinued at the outbreak of the War, because of the transfer of public record to places of safety. Ed. N L]

APPENDIX A

FIRST FLEET DESCENT: THE CROWDER FAMILY

THOMAS RESTELL [RISDALE] CROWDER, of Bristol, Somerset, England, joined the ship “Alexander” which sailed for New South Wales from the Mother Bank, England, on 13 May 1787. This vessel, one of the ships of the First Fleet, reached Port Jackson, 19 January 1788, and T R Crowder was thus among the original pioneers of this country who came ashore at Sydney Cove.

On 23 October 1793, he received a grant of fourteen acres of land [lot 28] at Norfolk Island, and he subsequently added considerably to his holding by purchase. On 10 March 1794, he addressed a letter to Governor King [PRO, CO 20/1 – 201/10]. He and his family were among the settlers transferred from the Island to the Derwent on the HMS “Porpoise”, 26 December 1807. His was the first of eighteen signatures appended by the former settlers of Norfolk Island to a letter dated 21 May 1809, addressed from the Derwent to the Governor [Bligh] in which the signatories expressed their loyalty and confidence in him. Before 1810 T R Crowder had acquired property in Hobart Town.

In August 1812, he was appointed Principal Superintendent of the Convict Settlement at Hobart Town, and he held that post until Lieut. Governor William Sorell placed him on a retired superannuated allowance late in 1820. At that time he and his wife and child, and two convict servants, were provided for out of the Government Rations. In his retirement, T R Crowder became responsible for the materials used in the construction of St David’s Old Church at Hobart Town.

Thomas Restell Crowder died on 28 November 1824, aged 67 years, at Hobart Town. His widow, Mary [nee Christmas?], died there in 1830. It is believed that she was his second wife, and that the Edward Crowder who, in 1820, had a grant of 30 acres of land in the Kingsborough district, was, a son of the first marriage. T R Crowder had issue, two sons and a daughter:-

I THOMAS RESTELL CROWDER, junior, was born in 1810, at his parents’ Elizabeth Street house, He was a licensed victualler, with premises in Liverpool St., Hobart Town, in 1836. He died on 14 October 1851, at Holyrood House, Murray St., Hobart Town.

T R Crowder, junior, married at St David’s Church, on 17 September 1833, Amelia Ann Beaumont. She was born at Athlone, Ireland, on 12 December 1818, and was the eldest daughter of George Beaumont, Sgt Major RHA [Royal Horse Artillery]. [George Beaumont was married at Hull, England, on 7 May 1810, to Elizabeth Yoeman. He served for more than twenty years with the Royal Horse Artillery [RHA], and in a letter which he addressed to Major Kirkwood, 40^th Regt [then on duty in Van Diemen’s Land with his regiment], he stated that he had “been cradled” in a corps of the RHA and also that it was through the Duke of Wellington’s interest with the Secretary of State, Earl Bathurst, that he received the promise of an appointment in Van Diemen’s Land. On 6 November 1823, he arrived at Hobart Town with his wife and young family in the ship “Jupiter”, which carried, besides himself, thirteen other NCO’s and soldiers of the RHA sent out as overseers of Convict departments in Van Diemen’s Land and New South Wales. On 15 November of that year, he was appointed Superintendent of the Hobart Town Penitentiary [vide Hobart Town Gazette], and acted until 9 January 1826.

A few months after relinquishing the appointment, he became the owner of the “Scotch Thistle Inn” in Liverpool Street, and it was there that he died on 10 August 1828. His widow married secondly, James Cowles, a tailor with premises in Elizabeth Street and Liverpool Street, and by him had issue a son and daughter. She married thirdly, Peter Dudgeon, a prosperous brewer and landowner. Peter Dudgeon had reached Hobart Town on 11 September 1825. He owned a brewery in Collins Street, and received a grant of land in the Oatlands district [Midlands], where he also leased 1,000 acres. Subsequently, he built an hotel at Campbelltown, and there resided. He married, firstly, in May 1827, Mary, eldest daughter of David Lord, of Hobart Town, merchant and landed proprietor. She died in May 1842, aged 38 years. Peter Dudgeon afterwards married Mrs Cowles, and in June 1852, when 49 years of age, he died at “Holyrood House”, one of his hotel properties, in Murray Street, Hobart.

His widow died at the same place, 7 may 1871, aged 76 years. In an obituary notice, published I Hobart, it is stated that “She followed her husband to the field of Waterloo, where she arrived on the day of victory. For many years she was in business here and kept the following hotels: the Scotch Thistle, Britannia, Golden Gate, and Holyrood House – with much credit to herself. Her kind and genial disposition won her many friends, and her death is regretted by all who knew her”]

Thomas Restell Crowder and his wife, Amelia Ann Beaumont, had issue three sons and six daughters:-

1 George Herbert Restell

2 Thomas Restell. Buried at Sorell, 8 December 1859, aged 20 years

3 William Charles Frederick. Farmer. Resided at Sorell, Tasmania, where he married, on 20 December 1876, Elizabeth [born 16 September 1848, at Sorell], daughter of James Rollings, farmer, of Forcett, Tasmania. Mr Crowder died at Sandy Bay, Tasmania, 28 August 1932, having had issue, two sons and five daughters, all baptized at St George’s Church, Sorell.

A Charles Carden [Carter?], born 9 December 1881, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

B Arthur Beaumont, born 4 July 1892, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

A Amy Vera, born 29 August 1883, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

B Hilda Harriet, born 25 March 1885, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

C Edith Florence, born 19 October 1886, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

D Kate Evelyn, born 27 June 1888, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

E Mildred May, born 8 March 1891, at Wattle Hill, Tasmania

1 Mary Elizabeth, married E C Gregory of Evandale District, Tasmania, and had issue

2 Sarah Jane

3 Amelia Ann, born at Sorell, Tasmania, 21 September 1845. Married John Coupar Edgar, of whom we have treated in these records.

4 Charlotte. Buried at Sorell, 27 June 1853, aged 5 years and 8 months

5 Emily Isabel

6 Eleanor. On 20 July 1874, when aged 22 years, she married at Sorell, William Thomas Pullen, farmer, of Bream Creek, Tasmania

Mrs Amelia Ann Crowder [nee Beaumont] married secondly, on 18 May 1853, at Sorell, William Paterson, farmer, of Sorell [buried 7 May 1864 at Sorell, aged 69 years]. Mrs Peterson was buried at Sorell, 27 November 1892. They had issue a son and a daughter:-

A Albert Sydney Paterson, born 21 March 1854

A Matilda Rebecca Paterson, born 15 January 1856

II ISAAC, farmer, of Forcett, Tasmania; buried at Sorell, Tasmania 9 August 1870, aged 59 years

I MARY, born 22 December 1799, at Norfolk Island, and there baptized 24 May 1804. She married, at Hobart Town, on 5 September 1816, Theopilus Mitchell

AUTHORITIES:

§ History Records of Australia, Series I, II

§ Mitchell Librarian

§ Registrar General, Tasmania

§ Chief Secretary’s Department, Tasmania per Miss A L Wayn, Government Archivist

§ Hobart Town Gazette

§ Sorell Parish Registrars from 1825 [courtesy Red C Robinson, Sorell]

§ Material in Public Record Office, London of which copies have been made for the Society of Australian Genealogists [Sydney]

§ Private sources

[Edited for the Society of Edgar Families, Melbourne by I Trentham-Edgar, FSAG, October 1940]

APPENDIX B

Mrs Alvia Eunice [nee Booth] Edgar’s great-grandfather, Charles Whalan, Sergeant, 46^th Regiment, was born in 1763. He married Elizabeth Berry, on 19^th March 1810, and in that year is recorded as an official of the High Court of Appeals. On 16 January 1816, he was described as Sergeant of the Bodyguard, and was granted 500 acres of land in addition to the 700 acres which he held at Parramatta, and which was recorded as being in his possession in the 1811 Muster. In Oxley’s list [1811] he was to receive an additional grazing area as a reward “for long and faithful services”. Elizabeth Berry was born in 1778 and reached NSW in the ship “Glatton” in 1801. She was the mother of five sons and a daughter. The family settled in the Bathurst district, and Charles Whalan took a leading part in the opening up of the famous Jenolan Caves [Sydney Morning Herald, 23 and 27 February 1837].

AUTHORITIES:

As quoted. Information supplied by Society of Australian Genealogists and private sources.

APPENDIX C

TRENTHAM FAMILY

EDWARD CROWDER EDGAR, of Melbourne, married at Geelong, Vic, on 2 April 1910, Una Kate Rose Trentham.

The Trenthams take their surname from Trentham, a hamlet on the River Trent, near Stoke, in Staffordshire, England. The surname frequently appears in the early records of the county from the 12^th Century. Members of the family migrated to Shrewsbury in Shropshire, and represented that town in Parliament from about 1420. In the next century the Trenthams increased their influence, and Richard Trentham, of Shrewsbury secured from King Henry VIII a long tenure of the Priory of Trentham, and was afterwards granted the Abbey of Rocester and its lands in Staffordshire and Derbyshire. His only son, Thomas Trentham, was Lieutenant and High Sheriff of Staffordshire, and was a trusted and influential supporter of Sir Francis Walsingham. He was one of those who conducted Mary Queen of Scots to her trial. His daughter, Elizabeth, was a god-child of Queen Elizabeth, and one of her Maids of Honour, and she married Edward de Vere, 17^th Earl of Oxford, Lord Great Chamberlain of England [he is considered by some to have been the true “Shakespeare”]. This alliance was important, because, after the death of the only child of the union, Henry, 18^th Earl of Oxford, the greater portion of the ancient de Vere estates passed by entail to the Trenthams. Upon the successive deaths of Sir Francis, Sir Christopher and William Trentham, another Elizabeth Trentham, wife of Brian Cokayne, 2^nd Viscount Cullen, inherited the great estates of the Trenthams, after the de Veres. This lady died in 1712/3.

Upon William Trentham’s death in 1651, at Rocester, the male representation of the family passed back to the junior branch still in Shropshire. For a long period the Trentham’s resided within the Lordship of Wem, at Ruyton-in-the-Eleven-Towns in that county.

TIMOTHY TRENTHAM, of that place, died at Oswestry, Salop, 22 April 1832, aet 75. By his wife, Sarah, he had, with other issue, a son:-

EDWARD TRENTHAM, born 7 February 1790, at Market Drayton, He married on 12 April 1812, at Shrewsbury, Mary Fox [died 19 July 1858, aet 68]. Edward Trentham lived at Worthen, Salop, where he died 8 July 1872. His eldest son was:-

EDWARD TRENTHAM, born 12 September 1817, at Worthen. He resided at Bank House, Worthen, but afterwards lived in London, where he died on 20 July 1881. His widow, Elizabeth, daughter of William Davies, of Westbury, Salap, was born 24 September 1820, at Westbury, and died at Prescot, Lancs., 9 October 1890. They had issue five sons and four daughters. The second son was:-

EDWARD TRENTHAM, born 9 October 1850, at Westbury. He settled in Melbourne early in 1882, and died at St Kilda, on 26 April 1906, and was buried in the Kew Cemetery. He married on 20 December 1881, at St Mary’s Church, Stoke Newington, London, Sarah Ann [Kate], daughter of Charles Edwin and Sarah [nee Bakewell] Manning, of London. She died at Heidelberg, Melbourne on 17 January 1936, aet 80. They had issue an only child:-

UNA KATE ROSE TRENTHAM [Mrs Edgar]

AUTHORITIES:

Transactions, William Salt Society, Staffs.

Proceedings, Salop Arch & Hist Soc

Rocester Parish Registers

History of Parliament [Wedgewood]

Complete Peerage, 2^nd Edit., sub Oxford

Cullen

DNB Sub de Vere

Edward de Vere, 17^th Earl of Oxford [Ward]

Publications of Shakespeare Fellowship, England

see also Burke’s Landed Gentry in preparation [1940] sub TRENTHAM-EDGAR

APPENDIX D

ROYAL DESCENTS

EDWARD CROWDER EDGAR, married Una Kate Rose Trentham, who is seventeenth in descent from Edward III, King of England [1327-77]. The descent is traced thus:-

1 Edward III

2 John, Duke of Lancaster

3 Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmoreland

4 Isabel Nevile, Countess of Essex and Eue [her husband, Henry, was himself a great grandson of Edward III

5 Sir William Bourchier

6 Cecily Bourchier, Lady Ferrers of Chartley

7 Walter, 1^st Viscount Hereford

8 Sir Edward Devereux, 1^st Baronet

9 Sir George Devereux, Kt.

10 Anne Devereux, wife of Valence Sascheverall

11 Anne Sascheverall, wife of Charles Chadwick, of Healey

12 Mary Chadwick, wife of Thomas Bakewell

13 James Bakewell

14 Elizabeth Bakewell, wife of John Manning [1791-1869], Mayor of Leicester

15 Charles Edwin Manning [1828-88]

16 Sarah Ann Manning, wife of Edward Trentham [1850-1906]

17 Una Kate Rose Trentham, wife of Edward Crowder Edgar [1877-1910].

They have issue, which is recorded elsewhere in these pages.

APPENDIX E

SARAH BAKEWELL, wife of Charles Edwin Manning [see above], was a great-granddaughter of Louis Philippe Joseph, Duc d’Orleans [Egalite], Montpensier et Chartres, Prince of France, born 13 April 1747. Guillotined 6 November 1793, The Duc d’Orleans was descended from Louis XIII, King of France, through both of that King’s sons, Louis XIV [died 1715] and Philip, Duc d’Orleans. Philip, Duc d’Orleans [1640-1701], as his second wife, Charlotte Elizabeth of the Rhine, a great-granddaughter of James I and VI of England and Scotland. They had a son:-

Philippe,Duc d’Orleans, Regent of France, who married Franccise Marie, daughter of Louis XIV and the famous Madame de Montespan. Their son:-

LOUIS, Duc d’Orleans [1703-52], married Augusta Mary Jane, daughter of Louis William Margrave, of Baden [died 1707], and their son:-

LOUIS PHILIPPE, Duc d’Orleans, [1725-85], married Louise Henriette, daughter of Louis Armand de Bourbon, Prince de Conti [1695-1727], whose wife, Louisa Elizabeth, was a granddaughter of Louis XIV and Madame de Montepan, and also a descendant of King James I. They had issue a son:-

LOUIS PHILIPPE JOSEPH, great-grandfather of Sarah Bakewell

AUTHORITIES:

Early Pioneer Families of Victoria and Riverina [Melb., 1936] sub., Bakewell

The Royal Daughters of England, 2 vols [Henry Murray Lane, London 1911]

Mme de Maintenon, [Maude Cruttwell, London, 1930]

and private sources

Edited for the Society of Edgar Families by I Trentham-Edgar, FSAG, Melbourne, 31 October 1940.

SPECIAL NOTE

Every reasonable opportunity has been made to ensure the accuracy of the statements made in the foregoing records, and the sources of information have been quoted throughout, to facilitate reference by those desirous of pursuing particular lines of enquiry. Where no source is mentioned the facts have been stated from information made available by various individual members of the family.

It is suggested that those who can conveniently do so should take steps to keep this family record up to date. A plain foolscap sheet inserted as close as possible to the portion of the records which it is desired shall be expanded may be used to set down details of births, marriages and deaths and additional biographical matter.

The Editor would appreciate advice of any errors which may reveal themselves to readers, so that these may be corrected in a later number of the News Letter.

CORREGENDA ET ADDENDA

[to be appended to News Letter Number Nine, October 1940]

p66 Sub: News from Palestine, Line 4, for “ZAZA” read “GAZA”

p69 line 19, for “the Ridean Club” read “Riders Club”

p71 line 13 and 14, for “Lomas” read “Lomax”

p72 Sob. John Coupar Edgar, line 5, for “Corell” read “Sorell”

p72 line 63, Allen Herbert Edgar, Register of baptisms gives “Allen” as spelling bt the variant “Allan” was used by the family

p74 Winifred Alvia Edgar [Mrs Frank Grenville Pursell] resides at “Greentrees”, Pearl Bay Ave., Beauty Point NSW

p76 line 55, for “[1940]” read “[1941]”

p76 Robert Edward Newborough Thomas, was a FIIA [Aust]

p76 George Owen Thomas was born 5 June 1928, not 5 February 1928

p77 “Jessie” Edgar was baptized “Jessie Edgar” [Edgar]

p77 for “Ellen Clare” [Edgar], read “Ella Clare”

p78 sub Lineage, lines 1 and 2 to read as follows:

“Crinan, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld [slain 1045AD], the descendant of the Mormaers of Atholl …”

p79 line 2, for “the particular ascestor of” read “the particular ancestry of”

p81 line 2, after date “1763” read – “and reached Sydney by the ship “Albermarle”, in 1793

p81 sub, Trentham Family, line 7, read the date as “1420”

p82 sub Royal Descents, line 10, for “Sascheverell” and “Sascheverall” read “Sacheverell”

p82 sub Appendix B, line 12, for “Louis William Margrave, of Baden”, read “Louis William, Margrave of Baden”

p83 sub Special Note, read first sentence as commencing “Every reasonable care has been taken to ensure …”

p70 Samuel Edgar was a brother-in-law of Mr Falconer, junior partner in the firm of Gentle and Falconer, Solicitors, of Glegg Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England. Mr Falconer, a native of Scotland, and Mrs Falconer [nee Edgar] resided in Windsor Road, Werneth, and died about 1884. His widow drew out of the business a very large sum of money and this passed to an unidentified nephew who left England. Mrs Falconer survived her husband only about two years and buried beside her husband in Chadderton Cemetery. [Falconer information supplied by courtesy of the Mayor of Oldham, 20 April 1939].

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