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6 joon, 1974 ko jineva mein subah kee sair ke dauraan unakee divy anugrah e.see. bhaktivedaant svaamee prabhupaad aur unake kuchh shishyon ke beech nimnalikhit baatacheet huee.

shreela prabhupaad: bhagavaan ko samajhane ke lie maans khaane ka mukhy baadha hai. maans khaane vaale kabhee use samajhane mein saksham nahin honge.

shishy: vah pujaaree jo aap kal raat se baat kar rahe the vah ek achchha udaaharan hai. usane aapako kaha, "chalie uchch vishayon par jaen. ham maans khaane ke baare mein itane lambe samay se baat kar rahe hain. "

shreela prabhupaad: haan.

shishy: aapane kaha, "theek hai, agar aap paapee hain, to ek uchch vishay par jaane ke lie bekaar hai."

shreela prabhupaad: haan. shreemad-bhaagavatam [10.1.4] mein is tathy par jor diya gaya hai:

nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānād

bhavauṣadhāc chrotra-mano-'bhirāmāt

ka uttamaśloka-guṇānuvādāt

pumān virajyeta vinā paśughnāt

"har koee supreem sachchaee ko samajh sakata hai, maansapeshiyon ke maansapeshiyon ko chhodakar." veena paasughanaat: "maans khaane vaale logon ko chhodakar." veena ka matalab hai "chhodakar," pasu ka arth hai "jaanavar," aur ghanat ka matalab hai "ek hatyaara."

aur isalie prabhu yeeshu maseeh ne baibil ke aadesh kee pushti kee "aap ko maarana nahin hai." aap dekhate hain, yeeshu maseeh ke in tathaakathit anuyaayee bahut shuruaat se hatyaare the. aur maseeh ke aadesh ke baavajood, phir bhee ve aaj tak unakee hatya jaaree rakhate hain. lekin veena paasughanaat: jo kuchh bhee prateet hota hai vah jo kuchh bhee ho sakata hai, ve jaanavar jo hatyaare, maans khaane vaale hain, kabhee bhagavaan ko nahin samajh sakate hain. yah bas sambhav nahin hai.

ye chhadm dhaarmik log sochate hain, "ham bahut achchhe kaam, paropakaaree kaam, eeshvareey kaam kar rahe hain. ham aspataalon ko khol rahe hain, raajamaargon ka nirmaan kar rahe hain, bhukhamaree khila rahe hain, aur isee tarah. to, agar ham boochadakhaanon ko banae rakhate hain aur ek din pandrah laakh jaanavaron ko maar dete hain to kya antar hai? beshak, kisee kaaran se ham samajh mein nahin aate hain, har ab aur phir ham bhayaanak yuddhon mein khatm hote hain jisamen ham khud ko aur doosaron ko maar dete hain. lekin ham khush hain. "

in chhadm dharmavidon ko bhee apanee vishaal imaaraton, unake bade gaganachumbee imaaraton aur badee phaiktriyon par garv hai. lekin yah sab duskaree-mehanatee raschaldom hai- kyonki yah keval paapapoorn gatividhiyon ke lie hai, bas itana hee hai. "haan," ve kahenge, "ham keval sharaab, mahilaon, jue aur maans khaane ke baad hee hain- lekin ham sabhy hain."

shishy: haal hee mein aapake shishyon mein se ek batalar, pensilveniya ka daura kiya. jab vah vahaan tha to vah ek pujaaree se mila jisane kaha, "oh, haan, mujhe aapake aadhyaatmik guru ko yaad hai. 1 9 65 mein vah yahaan the. vah sirph bhaarat se aaega, aur vah hamaare charch mein vyaakhyaan de raha tha. "

shreela prabhupaad: haan. amerika mein pahunchane par, mainne charchon mein vyaakhyaan die. aur ek charch kya hai? ek charch ek aisa sthaan hai jahaan bhagavaan-jaagarook vyakti hain. to mainne kabhee ek charch ya masjid kee aalochana nahin kee. kabhee naheen. kyonki jo bhee samooh ho sakata hai, mukhy baat yah hai ki ve eeshvar-jaagarook hain-aur isalie ve achchhe hain.

lekin jab ve bhagavaan ke aadeshon ka ullanghan karate hain, to mujhe aalochana karana chaahie. phir bhee, main keval in raaskalon kee aalochana karata hoon- jo paitarn nirdhaarit karate hain, jo aagyaon ko avyavastha se door karate hain. anyatha, hamaare paas unakee koee aalochana nahin hai. hamen koee samasya nahin hai.

shishy: ham saampradaayik nahin hain.

shreela prabhupaad: hamen kyon hona chaahie? eeshvar ek hai. hamen saampradaayik kyon hona chaahie? pratyek vyakti, apanee vishesh saanskrtik prshthabhoomi aur paristhitiyon ke anusaar, bhagavaan se praarthana kar raha hai. yah bhakti, bhagavaan ke lie bhakti seva ke roopon mein se ek hai.

shishy: ab bahut se yuva log-ve shiksha ke lie baibal ko dekh sakate hain, lekin ve pujaaree aur mantriyon se door rahate hain. unhen lagata hai ki ve paakhandee hain.

shreela prabhupaad: ve paakhandee hain. bas paagalapan. ye pujaaree aur mantree-ve sabhee paakhandee hain. bade vasa vetan, sharaab peene, aur maare gae jaanavaron ko khaane. aur jab aap unhen yaad dilaate hain, "aap nahin maarenge," ve kahate hain, "chalie uchch vishayon par jaen."

ye chhadm eesaee aise raschals hain. ve anumaan lagaate hain ki yeeshu maseeh ne machhalee khaee ho sakatee hai. yahaan tak ki yadi yah sach tha, tab bhee, us samay bahut kam ya koee any bhojan upalabdh nahin tha. lekin ye dusht sochate hain, "yeeshu maseeh ne machhalee kha lee. isalie ham bade boochadakhaanon ko banae rakhane den. "

bangaal mein unake paas ek aise vyakti ke baare mein ek kahaanee hai jisane machchhar dekha aur kaha, "ek top lao."

shishy: to kya eesaeeyon ko abhee bhee aadhyaatmik maargadarshan dene ke lie logon kee zaroorat hai?

shreela prabhupaad: nishchit roop se. unake pujaariyon aur mantriyon ne unhen nahin, maargadarshan, maargadarshan aur unnayan nahin kiya hai. pujaaree aur mantree khud gir gae hain.

anyatha, eesaee dharm bahut achchha hai-agar keval logon ke paas aadhyaatmik maargadarshak hote hain jo unhen pooree tarah se paalan karane mein madad karate hain.

itane saare logon ne mujhase poochha hai, "kya aap eesaee dharm ko mahatv dete hain?"

"haan, main kahata hoon. "yadi aap eemaanadaaree se apane eesaee dharm ka paalan karate hain, to aap sahee ban jaenge."

to pooree duniya mein, logon ko aadhyaatmik maargadarshan kee aavashyakata hotee hai jo bhagavaan-sachet shaastr ke aadhaar par, bhagavaan se pyaar kaise kar sakate hain.