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Response by Voy Wilks

           6\ 18\91

WINE IN THE BIBLE

By Sameuel Bacchiocchi 

First, Some Statements 

Someone asked me to comment on Mr. Bacchiocchi's book, WINE IN THE BIBLE. I highly esteem Mr.

Bacchiocchi, so if in the "heat of battle" I should sound otherwise, please forgive me. I address this request especially to Dr. Bacchiocchi. I plan to send him a copy of this response.

 

I am biased against alcoholic beverages, especially against beer and whisky. For this reason the only

alcoholic beverage I have ever tasted is grape wine. I had never tasted this until testimony was presented

indicating fermented wine was the drink element used by the Savior in the Passover service. Even since

then, I have never "taken" more than a few sips at anyone time, and never on a regular basis. I appreciate

Brother Samuel’s comments on "take" a little wine.

 

My personal preference is for Scriptures to plainly state, "It is a sin to make, sell, or drink wine, liquor, or

strong drink." But Scriptures do not say this, nor do they teach it. This being true, the following considerations are presented, not in defense of a personal drinking habit, as noted above but, on the contrary, because of Scriptural evidence (and other) indicating the "taking" of a little wine and other alcoholic beverages is acceptable, even good in some cases, if done in moderation.

 

Bro. Bacchiocchi's report about the evils of drinking to excess are all too true. This does a great amount

of harm and injury every year, not just in the USA, but worldwide. The same can be said for television,

however. It too, does a great amount of evil in the earth, each and every day of the year. Murder, theft,

adultery, homosexuality, lying, and violence in general, are graphically portrayed and promoted in TV

programs. Should we ban television? No. Instead, television should be redirected as an educational tool.

All programs should be cleaned up.

 

Does our kind brother, Mr. Bacchiocchi, own and watch TV? The chances are very good that he does.

Most Americans do. It is possible, indeed very likely, that indiscriminate TV watching does more harm than

does misuse of alcoholic beverages in the USA. Everyone knows that misuse of alcoholic drink is harmful.

But television? Many people act as if TV is the world's greatest baby sitter; that no harm will come from

watching the violence portrayed on TV -in almost every home -in almost every living room.

Our rule of life should not be, "if it is POSSIBLE to misuse a product, then banned it." Many good things can be misused. Often, it is not the use, but the misuse, which is bad. 

                                                     Now to the Bacchiocchi Book

 

In examining the book, Wine in the Bible, I have noted more than 150 items which (1) were not sound

reasoning, (2) were inconsistent, (3) were misrepresented, or (4) were misunderstood. Obviously, to deal

with every one of these points would take more time than I can allow. Also, we can be sure that no one is

so keenly interested in Voy's comments as to read so great a volume of material, should I venture to

respond to all these 150 + points. Therefore, I will hope to make a brief response to Brother B's book,

noticing only a few of the most glaring inconsistencies, etc.

 

His use of Scriptures is so unsound that he should never have written this book of more than 300 pages.

Instead, he should have written the following summary in one sentence only:

 

"Scriptures indicate that a moderate amount of alcoholic beverage is acceptable, but since Mrs. White and

I do not agree with this view, we urge all saints to shun all use of alcoholic beverages."

 

Now, please review the Scriptures as presented by Bro. B on the pages noted below.

                                                                             

                                                                              Shekar

                                                                        Pages 229 -234

 

"And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink [shekar], or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: thou shalt eat there before Yahweh ..." (Deut. 14:26).

 

Bro. B wrestles with this Scripture for some time and finally presents the view that shekar is really only

unfermented fruit juice. However:

 

Strong's Concordance reports: #7941; "shekar, an intoxicant, intensely alcoholic" (emphasis added).

Shekar seems to have been used in the Hebrew Scriptures 22 times. Once in the KJV it is translated -

"strong wine." Except for this one time, it is uniformly translated "[strong] drink." Young's Concordance

says, "sweet wine, meaning what satiates or intoxicates." Wine can be both sweet and strong.

 

Mr. E. W. Bullinger makes the following comment: "Shekar = strong drink (from shakar, to get drunk), a very intoxicating drink made from barley, honey, or dates" (Companion Bible, Appendix 27, Wine).

Shekar is often used in a bad connotation, as is pointed out by Mr. B Example: Pro. 20:1. Mr. B is willing

to accept shekar as "strong drink" in Pro. 20: 1 (when it is misused), but then wrestles mightily in trying to

create "grape juice" from the same word in Deut. 14:26. Brethren, let us be more consistent, please. 

 

                                                      Methuo ( 1 Corinthians 11 )

                                                             Pages 182 -186

 

Mr. B, contrary to Scripture, tells us there is "no allusion to drunkenness" in the Passover service as

recorded in 1 Corinthians chapter 11. But what do the Scriptures say?

 

"For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal, and one is hungry and another is DRUNK" (1 Cor.

11 :21 RSV. "Drunken," KJV).

 

The Greek word methuo (meaning to be drunk, softened with drink), appears (only seven times) in the

following Scriptures:

 

Mt. 24:49 Eat and drink with the drunken [methuo].

John 2:10 Have well drunk [methuo].

Acts 2: 15 These are not drunken [methuo] as you suppose.

1 Cor. 11 :21 Another is drunken [methuo].

1 Thes. 5:7 That be drunken are drunken [methuo] in the night.

Rev. 17:2 Have been made drunk [methuo].

Rev. 17:6 The woman drunken with blood of the saints [methuo]. ~

 

As we see, there is only one example in which methuo may not refer to drunkenness -John 2:10. Of the

seven times methuo appears in the Greek N.T. six of those times it surely refers to drunkenness.

So, all efforts fall flat in trying to prove that methuo makes "no allusion to drunkenness."

 

Bro. B some where asked, "Suppose the brethren at Corinth were drunk (intoxicated) on wine. Is this a

good example for present day Saints to follow?" All can agree with him on this point. No. However, what

Brother B overlooked is that Paul, in his reprimand, did not ( did not) find fault with the "drink element" used in the Passover service at Corinth. He found fault with drunkenness, but not with the drink element.

Obviously, the drink used was fermented wine (fruit of the vine) capable of making drunk those who were -

indiscreet, and those who did not properly honor the Savior.

 

Above, we noted that Brother B failed to prove that methuo is no allusion to drunkenness. On the

contrary, Scriptures directly state that some were drunken (methuo). We see, however, that our dear

brother is perfectly willing to believe the Scripture which says that no drunkard (methusos) will inherit the kingdom ofYHWH (1 Cor. 6:9,10). Both these words are derived from the same root (methe). Constant

methuo (drunkenness) creates a methusos (a drunkard). This cannot happen by drinking grape juice. It

requires fermented wine such as was used at Corinth in the Passover service (or other alcoholic beverages). 

                                                                  Pages 187 -192

                                                                      Eph.5:18 

Again, it is disappointing to note how Bro. B handles Scriptures. Above when he spoke of "drunkenness"

(methuo) in 1 Cor. 11 :21 he hoped to make this "too much food" rather than "drunkenness." 

Now that he is on another Scripture (Eph. 5:18), methusko, a word from the same root and almost identical, is willingly accepted as "drunkenness." Why the inconsistency? Is there a chance, perhaps, that Mr. B's conclusion

was reached long before he examined the Scriptures? 

 

Now to the question about the grammar used in Eph. 5:18. Is it wine which is debauchery or is it

drunkenness? Since the fruit of the vine (fermented or unfermented) was given as a blessing to mankind

(Isa. 65:8; Mt. 26:26-29), it is obvious that debauchery is associated with drunkenness, not with the

blessings of the vine. 

 

Fermentation of grape juice is a natural process, as Brother B notes (pages 72, 122, 125). If the sugar

content is great enough, all grape juice normally ferments and makes wine, unless something is done to

prevent this. It is the same natural process which causes sweet milk to turn to sour milk (clabber). This

is caused by spores in the air, and begins instantly, as soon as the fresh milk or the fresh juice strikes the

air. This is why dairymen cool their milk immediately, to prevent souring. The same is true of grape juice.

It immediately begins fermentation if measures are not taken to prevent this. 

 

Bro. B relies on the structure of the sentence to carry his case against fermented wine. But let us examine

a few of the many other Scriptures in which the sentence structure is faulty, yet the message is easily

understood, just as it is in Eph. 5: 18.

 

o    "... They came to life, and reigned with Messiah a 1,000 years. The rest of the dead did not come

to life until the 1,000 years were ended. This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4, 5 RSV).

 

“THIS" (verse 5) would normally refer to "the rest of the dead," but contrary to the rules of grammar, it does

not. "This” refers to the resurrection mentioned in verse four, not the resurrection mentioned in verse five.

 

o   "And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down into the water, both Philip and

the eunuch; and he baptized him" (Acts 8:38).

 

According to the rules of grammar, the “he” who did the baptizing should have been the eunuch, since he

is the last mentioned person. We know, however, it was Philip who did the baptizing, because it was the

Eunuch who WANTED to be baptized. 

 

o    "And the children of Israel, which were come again out of the captivity, and all such as had

separated themselves from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek Yahweh Elohim of

Israel, did eat, and kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days" (Ezra 6:21, 22).

 

The arrangement of the words indicate that it was "Yahweh Elohim of Israel who ate" the Passover, but this

is not the case. Instead, it was the children of Israel who ate the Passover (Verses 19, 20, 21). "Did eat"

refers to the "children of Israel" in the first part of verse 21. The RSV corrects this as follows: 

The Passover "... was eaten by the people of Israel who had returned from the exile ...” 

The point is, we must not allow ourselves to destroy the INTENDED meaning of a Scripture simply because

the words are not arranged properly in the sentence, especially when the meaning is clear. This is true in

Eph. 5:18. The obvious message is NOT that "wine is debauchery," but that “drunkenness is

debauchery." Obviously, a bottle of wine setting on a shelf is not debauchery, but drunkenness certainly

is. 

 

On page 188 Bro. B inadvertently admits this is true. He points out two contrasting conditions: "drunk with

wine" versus "filled with the spirit." In saying this, he clearly shows he understands it is drunkenness which

is debauchery, the opposite of being "filled with the spirit." Perhaps we should note the reading from several

versions, then pass on to other points. 

o    "Do not indulge in much wine -a thing in which excess is so easy -but drink deeply of G-d's Spirit"

      (Eph. 5:18 Weymouth Version). 

o    "Do not get drunk with wine, which will only ruin you; instead, be filled with the Spirit" (Good News

       Bible).     

o    "Do not drug your self with wine, this is simply dissipation; be filled with the Spirit" (Jerusalem Bible).     

o     "Do not give way to drunkenness and the dissipation that goes with it, but let the Holy Spirit fill

       you:..." (NEB). - 

                                                                  Pages 247- 255

                                                                      1 Tim. 3:8 

"Deacons likewise, must be serious, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine ...” 

Gentry points out that no New Testament Scripture reads, "Drink no wine at all" (page 247). Bro. B will not

accept this, however. He wrestles mightily with various Scriptures which conclusively prove a "little wine"

is acceptable, such as 1 Tim. 3:8. 

 

Throughout his book, Bro. B repeatedly stated, "Drinking wine is innately wrong in any amount." After

stating this a number of times, Bro. B then began presenting this, his own unscriptural statement, as if it is

Fact- as proof against Scriptures. His arguments can be summarized as follows: Since we have already

proved that drinking wine in any amount is sinful, then the Scripture before us (1 Tim. 3:8) must not be taken at face value.  When we read that a deacon must not be "given to much wine," it really means, given to NO WINE at all. Brethren, Scriptures must never be misrepresented in this way.

 

On pages 253, 254 Bro. B tells us the deacons in the early assemblies went from house to house collecting

offerings etc. He gave no Scripture to support this statement, however. He continues by stating that 1

Tim. 3:8 was actually a prohibition against the deacons drinking grape juice while going house to house.

This was to safeguard their reputation, he says. Earlier Bro. B told us it is sinful to drink wine. Is it sinful

to drink grape juice also? 

 

                                          Preserving Fresh Grape Juice In Ancient Times

                                                                    Pages 106- 128

 

Mr. B lists several methods, supposedly, for preserving grape juice -methods which insure it will remain

fresh, unfermented juice for one whole year. I am confident Bro. B believes these methods will actually

preserve fresh grape juice, but most of the processes mentioned are totally inadequate. The food will be

lost if these methods are followed. I am of the opinion that Mr. B has had little or no experience in food

preservation, nor in wine making. Experience would tell him that most of these methods are only false

reports.

 

The use of marble dust, resin, and large amounts of salt are recommended for keeping grape juice fresh

(page 111, 113). Let me ask: Are we supposed to use salt, marble dust, and resin in the Passover service?

Were these products in the Passover cup which the Savior drank from? To me, the pure, uncontaminated,

fermented wine is much more acceptable -much more representative of the Savior's blood.

 

There is also the recommendation that the fresh grape juice be boiled down to a thick syrup. Response: -

If the sugar content is great enough, it is true this will preserve the product, but once this is done it ceases

to be "fresh" grape juice. Did the Savior drink syrup from the Passover cup?

 

To dilute the syrup with water before drinking has also been recommended. Question: Did the Messiah give

thanks "for this cup of syrup diluted with water?" I mean no discourtesy by asking these foolish questions.

My purpose in doing so is to point out the extreme folly in following the unsound proposals mentioned

above.

 

As others have done before him, Mr. B refers us to another formula recommended by Cato and Columella

for preserving fresh grape juice for one whole year.

 

"... take from the vat some of the freshest possible must [grape juice] and put it in a new wine-jar; then daub it over and cover it carefully with pitch, that thus no water may be able to get in. Then sink the whole flagon in a pool of cold, fresh water so that no part of it is above the surface. Then after 40 days TAKE IT OUT OF THE WATER. The must will then keep sweet for as much as a year" (page 122). Cato's formula was the same, but required only 30 days in the water.

 

Friends, this will not work, nor would it work in Cato's day (100 B.C.E.). If the writings of these men have

been properly translated, .then we can be assured they were mistaken about preserving fresh grape juice.

These are false reports. Fresh grape juice cannot be kept by this process. I wish to challenge Mr. B (or

anyone) to test this for himself. As you see, it is very easy to make the test, so why not do so. If these men

were correct, it would be one of the easiest experiments ever performed. Again, why not do it, then report the results?

 

If this test is made, I can at this moment predict what will happen. Before the 30 days (Cato) or 40 days

(Columella) are expired, an explosion will take place and burst the wine jar (if the seal is strong enough to

hold), and the juice will be lost (dispersed into the water of the pond). 

 

Another method recommended (page 124) for keeping grape juice fresh for a whole year is to place it in

jars, then submerge the jars in cold water. It is BELIEVED that grape juice will NOT ferment if kept chilled

at 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Response: It is my belief that it WILL ferment, even at 40 degrees. Anyway,

where in Israel is there a pond, stream, or spring of water which is as cold as 40 degrees? Israel has a hot

climate, varying from about 80 degrees in the upper Galilee to as much as 120 degrees in the Jordan

Valley, and 115 degrees in the Negev.

 

I have never read a report about the coolness of Israel's water, but I feel safe in saying that no water in

Israel can be found which is cooler than 50 degrees except, perhaps, at the giant springs flowing from the

foot of Mount Hermon at the city of Banias, near Dan. Suppose this spring water is 40 degrees. Tell me:

Would all Israel press their grapes, then carry the juice to Banias for storage in this cold water? No. -

 

(1) If pressed out, the juice would have already begun to make wine before it could be delivered to

Banias.

 

(2) Too many miles, and too much time and labor would be involved in carrying the juice (or the

unpressed grapes) to Banias for storage. Later, when the juice was needed, this would require a

second trip to Banias to retrieve it.

 

(3) Why should Israel go to this trouble, when they could (and did) let nature take its course, and allow

      the juice to ferment naturally, right in their homes? Making a quality wine which would keep for

      many years without air tight seals, or special care.

 

Naturally, the waters of the Jordan River, being fed by snow melt from Mount Herman are, for a short

distance, quote cold. However, the hot climate of the Jordan Valley quickly raises the temperature of the

water as it flows south to the Dead Sea. Even the Sea of Galilee is 650 feet below sea level, so is very hot.

Our Colorado River of the West is fed by snow melt, yet water temperature at the bottom of Lake Powell

is, year round, about 50 degrees F.

 

The point is: Very few in Israel, if any at all, preserved fresh grape juice by cold water storage.

 

Of all the supposed methods named in the Wine Book for keeping grapes (but not grape juice) "fresh," only

one is likely to succeed; that is, store the grapes in honey. But this is not practical except for a few bunches

only. Why? Because the honey was much more valuable than was the juice which could, theoretically, be

extracted from the grapes months later. It is a safe estimate that honey was five (perhaps ten) times the

value of fresh grape juice. This would have been like spending $1.00 to preserve 10 cents worth of food.

 

But for a moment, let us suppose this method was indeed chosen in an effort to keep fresh grapes fresh -

for months. There is a problem. Months later, how could the grapes have been separated from the honey

when the time came to extract the juice? Please remember that we are trying to extract the pure, fresh juice of the grapes (months after the time of harvest), so it must not be contaminated with the honey. True, the grapes could be lifted out of the honey and washed, but as noted above, the honey is much more valuable than the small amount of juice which could have been pressed from the grapes. 

 

Brethren let us face it. There was no practical way to preserve fresh grape juice until 1809 when the

Frenchman, Francis Appert, invented the process of "canning," explained as follows:

 

This consists of "... securing cooked foods in hermetically sealed vessels from which the atmospheric air

is driven off before sealing, and in killing by heat ...such germs or ferments as may remain within the vessel

either before or after it is sealed up. The process does not depend for its success on the perfect exclusion -

of air, but air sealed up with the food was immediately submitted to a temperature sufficiently high to kill

germs introduced with it and existing in the food itself' (Encyc. Brit.. 9th Edition, Vol. 9, Article: Canning,

page 727).

 

                                              Two Wines: Femented & Unfemented?

                                                                        Page 54

 

Bro. B tells us, (# 1) there are two wines; fermented and unfermented; and (#2) only in the present generation has the term "wine" come to mean fermented juice only.

Mr. E. W. Bullinger, noted biblical scholar who lived three or four generations ago, made the following

comment: "... the modern expression, 'unfermented wine,' is a CONTRADICTION OF TERMS. If it is wine, it must be fermented. If it has not been fermented, it is not wine, but syrup" (Companion Bible, Appendix  27, Wine; Emphasis, his).

 

It is true that Scriptures sometimes refer to the fresh juice as "wine," even while it is still in the cluster (Isa.

16:10 yayin; 27:2, chemer; 65:8, tirosh). This is easily understood, however, when we realize that grape

juice could not be kept fresh. It had to be cooked down into a syrup, or else it would automatically

fermented and make wine. If nothing was done to prevent it, fermentation set in immediately, as soon as

the juice left the shuck. If nothing was done, fermentation was inevitable, so this is why the juice, even in

the cluster, was sometimes referred to as "wine."

 

There is no doubt. The drink element at the Last Supper was fermented wine. At that time there was no

way to preserve the fresh grape juice.

 

Final Statement

 

It is evident, I believe, that I am disappointed with Mr. Samuele Bacchiocchi's book, Wine In the Bible. In

closing, however, I wish to express my strong appreciation for Mr. Bacchiocchi's other books, From Sabbath to Sunday, and Anti-Judaism & the Origin of Sunday. These should be in every home and every public library in the nation; indeed, in every library on planet earth -as reference works. Thank you Dr.

Bacchiocchi, for these excellent books promoting the seventh day Sabbath as the true day of rest and

worship.

 

In the Master's service, 

 

Voy Wilks 

 

                  

 

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Dear Mr. Wilks

 

I am a volunteer trying to help UCR catch up on correspondence.

       

In response to your letter of 12/10/91, I am referring you to a small book, Explaining

Judaism to Jews and Christians by Rabbi Samuel M. Silver by ARCO Publishers, New York.

       

This book is a small, basic text, written in very understandable English and answers ques-

tions which you may have about the observance of Passover.

 

As to the temperature of the water from Banias, it is approximately 50/380 f. The Lake

Kennereth temperature is about. 90/850 f.

 

During the coldest water temperature probably would be 850 fat Sept.

 

I am enclosing some information regarding IJCR and some of the study materials we

have. If you have not yet begun to study TORAH in depth, you might consider this program.

 

At the present time Vendyl  is terribly busy; perhaps later he will have time to answer your

questions in person and in more depth. I hope you understand Thank you for your interest and

inquiry.

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Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?"

Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)?

Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice.

Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.

A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clearly identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness.

The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful or that the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not!

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Wine or grape Juice? 

Well, let me go to my Strong's and see what's up with the Greek here.

Just going with the New Testament, we have:

γλεῦκος -- "Sweet wine," which apparently was intoxicating.  Used only once, in Acts 2:13 -- "They are drunk with new wine!"

οἶνος -- Used in Matthew 9:17; Mark 2:22, 15:23; Luke 1:15, 5:37-38, 7:33,

John 2, Ephesians 5:18, 1 Timothy 3:18, 5:23, Titus 2:3, Revelation

19:15.  

This is the word used for what Jesus turned the water into.  At first glance this looks like grape juice, because Jesus talks about not putting new οἶνος in old wineskins.  However, Paul warns that deacons must not be given to οἶνος, and says "Be not drunk with οἶνος."  Not only that Jesus talks about how John the Baptist abstained from οἶνος, as opposed to Jesus who came "eating and drinking" and thus was accused of being a "winebibber."  Therefore οἶνος is also used to refer to an intoxicating drink.

πάροινος -- "Given to wine" (one word), derived from οἶνος.  Used in 1 Timothy 3:3 and Titus 1:7, in the sense that elders and bishops cannot be given to wine.

οἰνοφλυγία -- "Excess of wine" (one word), derived from οἶνος, literally something like "wine-babbling" or "wine-bubbling."  Used in 1 Peter 4:3.

All of these Greek words are used in connection with drunkenness in one passage or another.  So if first-century wine was in some instances fermented and in some instances unfermented, the terminology at least does not differ between the two.

Regarding Jesus at the wedding feast -- it is dangerous exegesis to say "Jesus WOULD NOT have done X."  Rather, our attitude should be to see what he DID do, and to form our opinions regarding what he WOULD do from that.  At the wedding of Cana, it says that he made οἶνος, and I see no compelling evidence to believe that this was anything other than exactly what it says on the tin: wine.  The master of ceremonies seems to refer to it as a drink with the potential to intoxicate, in that he tells the groom that most people bring out the inferior wine at the end of the feast after "men have well drunk," but that he saved the good wine for last.  Regardless of the connotations of the KJV word "drunk," the Greek word for "well drunk" is μεθύω, and in almost every other use in Scripture refers to drunkards, as in 1 Corinthians 11:21 and Acts 2:15.

The Mishnah is not against alcohol at weddings, it only states that wine used in blessings should be diluted.  And this was the teaching of a single rabbi, Eliazer.  "They do not say the Benediction over the wine until water has been added to it" (Berakhot 7.5).  Diluted wine may still be alcoholic enough to get drunk upon. 

Yes, the fermentation process of bread was symbolic of sin and false doctrine.  But wine is also symbolic of joy--see its usage all throughout the Old Testament (Ecclesiastes 9, Isaiah 16, Jeremiah 48).  In fact, in Isaiah, mixing wine with water was a symbol of corruption!  (1:22)  

I should point out that it would only have been possible to drink "grape juice" at certain times of the year--right after the harvest of the grapes.  The juice would start fermenting only six hours after being pressed, and keep fermenting for the next six weeks.  But my point is, any wine drunk that wasn't in the late fall (such as the wine at Passover, drunk at springtime) physically could not have been grape juice--there would have been no way of preserving non-fermented grape juice.


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