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A Pre-existent Yahushua?
By Eric A. Gentile

Of late, Dan. 3:25 has been offered by some as proof, in itself, Yahushua pre-existed. These say, he was the fourth man in the fire.

On reading this verse in the King James Bible, my senses are seized by the phrase, "the form of the fourth is LIKE the Son of [Yah]." I recall that, as sons of Adam, our form is like our Creator's, yet we are not He, nor am I aware of evidence we pre-existed. Too, angels are referred to as "sons" of Yahueh (Iyob [Job] 1:62:138:7Praises [Psalms] 29:189:6).

On checking Dan 3:25 in the ASVBOYIBNASNIVRSV, and in the JB where it appears as verse 92, all of them read "... a son of the gods." In the King James Companion Bible, Bullinger notes that the King James' rendering "the  Son of God." is wrong, for in the Hebrew there is no [definite] article before "sons" so it should read, "a son". From this, the identity of the "fourth man"  is not at all clear, hence "Son" should not be capitalized. Any definite conclusion that the fourth man "fourth man" is Yahushua pre-existent to his birth seems, thus, unfounded and premature.

In support of this finding, we might well consider Dan. 3:28, where King Nebuchadnezzar says, "Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, Who hath sent His angel ..."  Now, why the clear identity of an angel here, if it was the Son in verse 25? Too, Bullinger provides considerable insight on the identity of the sons of Yah in appendix 23 to the Companion Bible. Also note: trinitarian Bibles, i.e. HarperRyrie,Thompson, agree with Bullinger--as does even the strongly trinitarian Life Application Bible--the identity of the fourth man is not clear.

Given these findings, and the fact Yahushua was not an angel,

"For unto which of the angels said He (Yahueh) at any time, 'Thou art My son ..." (Ibr. [Heb.] 1:5). "But to which of the angels said He at any time, 'Sit thou on My right hand ..." (Ibr. [Heb.] 1:13). "For every high priest, taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to [Yahueh]  ..." (Ibr. [Heb. 5:1). "So also [the Anointed One] esteemed not himself to be made High Priest; but He that said unto him, 'Thou art My son..." (Ibr. [Heb.] 5:5). "Called of [Yahueh] an High Priest after the order of Melchisedec." (Ibr. [Heb.] 5:10).

Can Dan. 3:25, then, by itselfRIGHTLY be taken as PROVING Yahushua pre-existed? Is not the answer obvious? Or has something been overlooked here? Let us look to the Scripture to prove Yah's truth, not any tradition, assumption or other prior conclusion on our part.

May Father inspire and guide our study according to His promise,

Yahushua !!!!!!!


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The following is an excerpt from - "The Messiah's Pre-Existence -- Fact Or Fable?" Hope of Israel Ministries BIBLE Correspondence Course Lesson 40:

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'5. Those who try to deceive you will more than likely use Daniel 3:25 to "prove" that the son of God was pre-existent.
COMMENT: The first thing you should realize is the fact that there are many sources out there that know this verse has been mistranslated -- Clarke’s Commentary is one of them: "Verse 25. [Is like the Son of God.] A most IMPROPER translation ... bar elahin signifies a son of the gods, that is, a Divine person or angel; and so the king calls him in verse 28: 'God hath sent his ANGEL, and delivered his servants.'"
It is quite amazing that there are people out there who say this fourth person was Yeshua the Messiah. They, of course, are trying to deceive you into thinking that the Messiah was alive at the time. But even a CURSORY examination of this verse indicates that there is absolutely NOTHING here that names the Messiah or says that he pre-existed!

Now, let's notice WHAT was said -- and by WHOM. The statement made in Daniel 3:25
was spoken by Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon -- just as Daniel 3:24 clearly states Nebuchadnezzar was a pagan who had just made an image of himself and had commanded all in his kingdom to worship it. He then cast Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego into the furnace because they refused to worship this image--they would worship YEHOVAH God only.

It was this same Nebuchadnezzar who made this statement in Daniel 3:25: "... the fourth looks like the SON OF THE GODS." Are we to suppose, then, that this pagan king who was trying to kill the servants of YEHOVAH God, said" "... the fourth looks like the Messiah, the Son of YEHOVAH"? This is EXACTLY what the deceivers would like you to believe!

YEHOVAH has many angels, and He does send them to help us at times -- like the ones YEHOVAH sent to help Lot and Abraham. The Bible also shows that many times these angels have the appearance of HUMAN BEINGS -- and this is exactly how King Nebuchadnezzar described the fourth man in Daniel 3:25. He did NOT say: "..I see the Messiah ..." Neither did he say: "... I see the Son of YEHOVAH ..." Do not let anyone to deceive you about this!'